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Dark Angel was better than Dollhouse.

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Monday, February 23, 2009 2:17 PM

CHRISISALL


Don't get me wrong, with the second ep of Dollhouse I am now a hardcore fan; I thought it was superb.
But let's face it, it does cover some of the same territory that Dark Angel did- Raven-haired beauty searching for herself, skin views for the adolescents, The Questionable Secret Organization, cool fighting, gunplay, not-quite-but-almost-there science, and, er, did I mention skin views for the adolescents?
DA was just larger in scope, probably due to the budget thrown into Cameron's lap, and the casting & chemistry was spot on from jump.
Joss will no doubt explore some crazy new stuff DA might never have touched, and we'll see, but for me, NO series beats a show that has the line "Girls kick ass; says so on a tee shirt."

Except one that has "I'll be in my bunk."


"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Monday, February 23, 2009 2:34 PM

CHRISISALL


*Flame-proof perimeter defenses intact*

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Monday, February 23, 2009 2:59 PM

CHRISISALL


Nothing to discuss...peeps must just agree with my assessment.
OK.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Monday, February 23, 2009 3:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'm going to avoid the Dollhouse threads for a while. The show isn't really grabbing me, so I'm going to do what I always do when I'm having a hard time getting into a show one hour at a time: I'm going to let the DVR grab 2 or 3 eps and then mini-marathon them. If I can watch 2 or 3 hours of a show and STILL not be sucked into its universe, then it isn't worth my time.

As such, I'll be missing Dollhouse (I'm sure my ratings will still count, since it's being recorded by the DVR) for weeks at a time, and I'll have to avoid spoilerishness.

I *loved* Dark Angel, at least the first season. Then something happened, and I just lost interest. Let's hope that doesn't happen with Dollhouse. Well, let's hope it GETS more than one season, and that it doesn't lose its way.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM

EVILDINOSAUR


I'll compare after I see more than 2 episodes of Dollhouse. I enjoyed Dark Angel for season 1 then I lost interest, I don't really remember why. I don't really remember much of the details of what Dark Angel was even about, I just remember I enjoyed watching the first season.

So far Dollhouse is awesome, the premiere was a little meh, but enjoyable, the second episode was awesome, it left me thinking about it for a few days and theorizing which is what I like in a show.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Monday, February 23, 2009 3:47 PM

DREAMTROVE


Neither one caught my fancy. They don't sell the character, even more than they don't sell the world.

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Monday, February 23, 2009 3:52 PM

BIGRICHARD


I've got to agree with the others, I'll reserve judgement until more of Dollhouse has aired. Whedon shows seem to get better as they go, as shown in Buffy and Angel, and even if not, I'm liking what I've seen so far, just looking forward to getting into the 'main story' which is promised to be coming after a few more episodes.

That said, I'm yet to watch Dark Angel! I've got season 1 and 2 (that's all there is, yes?) and it's just a case of sitting down and watching it all, as I have WAY too many shows to watch lately.

(Dollhouse, Chuck, HIMYM, Big Bang Theory, Trust Me, Fringe, Lost, Gary Unmarried, Heroes, Psych, Scrubs, and I've recently started watching 2 Guys a Girl and a Pizza Place, as I'd never watched it before and want some Fillion goodness)

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Monday, February 23, 2009 4:15 PM

SCHISM


Ironic comparison.
Dark Angel vs Dollhouse.

I hated DA with a passion for the only reason that it stole the name of a novel I wrote back in '95. No connection but the name, but I knew that if I ever got it published, people would assume it was based on the series.

I like DH, but the premise is somewhat similar to a story idea that's been brewing in my head for some time, only mine was set in the 80's. It's not identical, but if I ever wrote it now I'm sure the comparisons would arise, and I don't want to be accused of stealing from Josh.

I hate tv.

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Monday, February 23, 2009 6:38 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Don't get me wrong, with the second ep of Dollhouse I am now a hardcore fan; I thought it was superb.
But let's face it, it does cover some of the same territory that Dark Angel did- Raven-haired beauty searching for herself, skin views for the adolescents, The Questionable Secret Organization, cool fighting, gunplay, not-quite-but-almost-there science, and, er, did I mention skin views for the adolescents?
DA was just larger in scope, probably due to the budget thrown into Cameron's lap, and the casting & chemistry was spot on from jump.


Chrisisall,
Your love for Dark Angel puzzles me. It was average in it's first season. Second season....unwatchable.
Equaling A really good idea translating to a mediocre show that went down hill so fast that it makes heads spin.

I do agree abut the similarities of Dollhouse and DA. They are similar, but I promise you if we see a second season of Dollhouse it will blow Dark Angel off the face of the earth. Forever.



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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:02 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Eliza's easy to look at, no question, but there's just no beating Max and her pouty face as she's kicking the hell out of the bad guys.

" You're not even trying "








It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:

Chrisisall,
Your love for Dark Angel puzzles me. It was average in it's first season. Second season....unwatchable.
Equaling A really good idea translating to a mediocre show that went down hill so fast that it makes heads spin.

I do agree abut the similarities of Dollhouse and DA. They are similar, but I promise you if we see a second season of Dollhouse it will blow Dark Angel off the face of the earth. Forever.





First season was AVERAGE ?? Hell, you must have watched it with a bag over your head or something. Ain't nothing "average" about DA's 1st season.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:33 AM

CALHOUN


I haven't seen enough Dollhouse to make a judgement yet.. but I just knew from the title of the thread that it was going to be the Dark crisisall angel

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:02 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

I *loved* Dark Angel, at least the first season. Then something happened, and I just lost interest.

My experience exactly. 1st season was gold.
Then Fox asked for more kitch, and they tried to comic-book it up a little to pull a bigger audience. I lost interest halfway through season two when Joshua got fleas. Then I bought both on DVD, & found that the second season ain't so bad if you only watch about 9 of the eps (1, 2, 3, 7, 11, 12, 13, 19 & 21).



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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:06 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:

Your love for Dark Angel puzzles me. It was average in it's first season.

*Barely keeps from hurling the lightning bolt*
Quote:

I promise you if we see a second season of Dollhouse it will blow Dark Angel off the face of the earth.

I will not rule out that possibility.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:07 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

" You're not even trying "




One of many great lines from that show.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:09 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Dark Angel = hottest hottie.

Dollhouse = hottest script, more nudity.






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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:29 AM

STORYMARK


I can't really compare the two beyond superficial simmilarities before I see more of Dollhouse. But while I did enjoy DA, it was one of the most frustratingly inconsistant shows I've ever watched. We'll see how DH goes.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:30 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:

Dollhouse = hottest script


Being into mind control conspiracy theory/fact as you are, this comes as no surprise to me.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:32 AM

ZZETTA13


Currently running:

Lost; show is loosing me. Haven’t seen the last 2 episodes and developing a “so what?“ attitude. The series has layered itself right off the radar. JMO

Chuck tv; Has it’s moments and is still interesting enough . Don’t think I’d given it the time of day had it not been for Adam Baldwin as agent Casey in the first episode. Still descent enough to tune in Monday nights.

Dexter; a show my wife near insisted I watch with her. Glad that I did. Has a lot going for it. Will continue.

Smallville; Up to season 6. Great show ( not FF but still Ok) waiting for the last season dvd to reach my income budget.

Dollhouse; Ain’t watched it, ain’t seen it. Ready to hate myself for not supporting it. Haven’t gotten over my F*>< “Drive” phobia. I’ll catch it after F*>< slams it to the gutter.

Z

PS: Watching NBC's Life too. Hope Christina Hendricks shows up in season2.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:33 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
while I did enjoy DA, it was one of the most frustratingly inconsistant shows I've ever watched.

Second season, I agree. But watch it according to my list above, & its quality stays a good deal more consistent, though.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:35 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by zzetta13:

Chuck tv; Has it’s moments and is still interesting enough . Don’t think I’d given it the time of day had it not been for Adam Baldwin as agent Casey in the first episode. Still descent enough to tune in Monday nights.


My Wife had me watch it last night & whoah was it good. I asked her if they were all that cool, and she said yes. Now I must watch.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:07 AM

ZEEK


I never got into DA. I watched one episode and thought Jessica Alba couldn't act worth a damn. That was the end of that for me. I still haven't seen her do any quality acting.

I think I would have switched off DH after one episode if it weren't for Joss. Still even the second episode did nothing for me. I guess I'm a TV snob.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:26 AM

WINDIE


Not seen Dollhouse yet!!!

But season 1 of Dark Angel was very good, 2 just seemed to dribble along. Although I do agree with your episode choices.

If they had have taken the thing more seriously going into season 2 then it had a lot of potential.



Why have they taken the sky from ME

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:12 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by windie:

If they had have taken the thing more seriously going into season 2 then it had a lot of potential.




The serious thing was still there, just too much nonsensical funny & freak-of-the-week dumped into the mix. My picks circumvent most of the worst of it.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:13 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
I watched one episode and thought Jessica Alba couldn't act worth a damn.

You can't either, but you still entertain me.


"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:35 PM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
I watched one episode and thought Jessica Alba couldn't act worth a damn.

You can't either, but you still entertain me.



Well I am dead sexy.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:39 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:

Well I am dead sexy.

I have this friend....

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:28 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
while I did enjoy DA, it was one of the most frustratingly inconsistant shows I've ever watched.

Second season, I agree. But watch it according to my list above, & its quality stays a good deal more consistent, though.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall



I've seen both seasons, and found an equal number of season 1 episodes wanting.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:08 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

I've seen both seasons, and found an equal number of season 1 episodes wanting.


There is only one first season one ep that is not brilliant (Shorties In Love, #16).
Your statement is unfounded, and unduly subjective, IMO. If you note a personal bias of some sort (dislike of hip-hop culture, for instance), I could understand, but I task you to demonstrate deviance from character, lazy writing, cliche fall backs, or unimaginative plots that might support your nefarious opinion.

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:57 AM

STORYMARK


Oh, drop the pretension, even you said the first season doesn't really come together untill Pollo Loco, with is a full 2/3rds of the way in.

Sorry, but to everyone outside of... well, you, the show just aint all that.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:15 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Oh, drop the pretension

What pretension?
Quote:

even you said the first season doesn't really come together untill Pollo Loco, with is a full 2/3rds of the way in.
You got the wrong guy, pal.
I said it was running from out of the gate.
Quote:



Sorry, but to everyone outside of... well, you, the show just aint all that.




http://www.darkangelfan.com/
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,452270,00.html
http://www.dvd.net.au/review.cgi?review_id=2127
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Angel-Complete-First-Season/review/product/
B00005JLJM/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_summary?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

http://www.darkangel-network.com/portal.php

There are a few more peeps that would disagree with ya, Story.

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:13 AM

STORYMARK


Nope, it was you who told me it'd get better with Pollo when I was ready to bail on the first season. I havn't even discussed the show with anyone else (bought both seasons on your recomendation, if you'll recall).

And it did improve with that ep. But the show, while entertaining.... was just a show. Nothing classic about it, other than a certain well-shaped behind.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Nope, it was you who told me it'd get better with Pollo when I was ready to bail on the first season.

That's not quite like saying "the first season doesn't really come together untill Pollo Loco." I said that it kicked into a higher gear, meaning that if you hung in there that long, the best eps were yet to come.
Quote:



the show, while entertaining.... was just a show. Nothing classic about it

Okay, well, I respectfully disagree then. I just don't see any examples from you explaining its meh-ness is all.


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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:13 PM

STORYMARK


Examples? Okay, the hip-hop speak was very forced, and now dates the show horrible. The acting was often mediocre. Plots were, to me, unmemorable (as I watched the whole series less than 6 months ago, and barely remember any of it outside a few episodes). Most of the supporting characters were forgettable or annoying. It, at times, tried too hard to be the next Buffy, especially with the not-very-funny one liners.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't dislike it. I liked Max and Logan quite a bit. I liked the story with Zach, though I thought the actor they cast was lousy. The second season started weak (the Haloween episode nearly made me give up), but did get better. I even rather liked Joshua as a character (even if the plots they created for him were dumb). It was a fun enough show, but by the end I wasn't itching for more, and there are many, many shows I think are better.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:29 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Examples? Okay, the hip-hop speak was very forced, and now dates the show horrible. The acting was often mediocre. Plots were, to me, unmemorable (as I watched the whole series less than 6 months ago, and barely remember any of it outside a few episodes). Most of the supporting characters were forgettable or annoying. It, at times, tried too hard to be the next Buffy, especially with the not-very-funny one liners.

Hmmm, well, I guess it's like a cloud dog, either you see it, or you don't. I didn't see very much (some, yes) of what you're talking about.
Quote:



It was a fun enough show, but by the end I wasn't itching for more, and there are many, many shows I think are better.


I was gagging for it.

From Entertainment Weekly (and they hate everything):
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it had some memorable episodes, usually involving Max's bittersweet reunions with fellow escapees, or the flare-ups of her assorted programming flaws -- like the feline DNA that occasionally put her ''in heat'' or the chemical deficiencies that sometimes strung her out like a junkie. That's when this dark angel revealed the stuff of any good superheroine: her vulnerability, her imperfection, her humanity.

That's what I saw in it.

To each their own.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:38 PM

STORYMARK


I'd say that EW blurb is spot-on. There just wasn't enough of that.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:44 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I haven't bothered to read what everyone else has said yet, so I will probably be repeating someone.

If you want to judge tv series on just their first two episodes, then I would agree with you that Dark Angel beats Dollhouse. Of course we need to wait a bit more to see how the latter develops.

I think if Cameron had kept more control over his show we wouldn't have seen the much weaker second season, but the last few eps were awesome and set up what could have been a very good Season 3.

I trust Joss knows what he is doing and where he wants to take the show. Not so much trust in FOX to let him get there though.



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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:10 PM

CHRISISALL


I cannot refute the EClogic here.

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Although I am a DA fan, I cannot refute that the ghettospeak was the downfall. Cringeworthy. Without that garbage, I'd watch it more frequently (own the DVDs.)

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:32 AM

CHRISISALL


Boo, you a straight up fan, aiight? Only Original Cindy has your back on the DAspeak, get my dealieo?


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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:43 AM

STORYMARK


Yes, I think I would rewatch if the characters didn't sound, well, exactly like Chris just now.


Gotta bounce.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Yes, I think I would rewatch if the characters didn't sound, well, exactly like Chris just now.


Gotta bounce.


LOL, most didn't! Sorry, can't stop laughing...
I just watched Flushed & 411 On The DL last night as a matter of fact, and Cindy's the main one who talks like that. And all Max says is stuff like Gotta blaze/ feeling a little punk, that sort of thing. Not a bit of it from Lydecker, Normal, Sketchy, Logan, Bling- hell, not even Herbal uses HH slang.

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Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:48 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
...hell, not even Herbal uses HH slang.


He was usually too stoned to be coherent anyway.



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Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:

He was usually too stoned to be coherent anyway.



It was a sacrament in his religion.


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Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:54 PM

RHYIANAN


I adored DA. It was the first show I ever really got into. Being a teenager, the ghetto talk didn't really register, other than I wasn't used to most people talking that way. I was intrigued since I first saw the commercials for it before it came out. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the first season since the first run, because I'm a starving college student (soon to be starving artist when I graduate) and can't afford to shell out the money for the DVDs.

From what I remember, the first season was spectacular. I was riveted. Then the second season started...in the friday death slot, without the caliber of the first season. I lost interest, had other things to do on friday nights, and DA was no longer a priority, although I recently saw the season 2 finale, and there was a lot of potential there for a decent season three, unless the monster of the week thing managed to continue.


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Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:03 PM

SINGATE


Chris,

It never ceases to amaze me how much mileage you squeeze out of every single DA thread. I am truly stunned.

Caught some of the marathon on Sci-Fi as coincidence would have it. Pollo Loco is still such a powerful episode. Jensen Ackles is such a youngster in that episode.

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Friday, February 27, 2009 5:16 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

It never ceases to amaze me how much mileage you squeeze out of every single DA thread. I am truly stunned.


You and I both.

I can´t get Dollhouse here in South America. I don´t have internet at home so I can´t buy it from iTunes either.

But if Chris says it is not as good as DA, I believe him. It will take something like Firefly to beat DA. DA continues to be one of the best TV series I´ve ever watched. Season 2 included (that´s when I fell in love with Jensen).


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Friday, February 27, 2009 5:41 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:


But if Chris says it is not as good as DA, I believe him.

That's not to say it couldn't BECOME a better series. But the chemistry between Michael & Jessica is going to be extremely difficult to beat. I don't know if Dollhouse is gonna have a love thing, though.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 27, 2009 5:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Rhyianan:
I'm a starving college student (soon to be starving artist when I graduate) and can't afford to shell out the money for the DVDs.


You can get the first season previously viewed (used, in other words) for like ten dollars here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00005JLJM/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=U
TF8&condition=used


Or new for $20 at most Target stores.
Just in case ya liked it enough to wanna own it.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 27, 2009 5:51 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by singate:

It never ceases to amaze me how much mileage you squeeze out of every single DA thread.

It couldn't happen without other fans of the series.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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