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Blade Runner Final Cut out tuesday- gettin' it?

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:49
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Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:48 AM

CHRISISALL


I've only been waitin' for this since DVD's came out...the international theatrical cut in all it's pristine glory, oh, and there'll be some cut with new footage and cleaned up FX too, in case you're interested...

Sushi, that's what my ex-wife called me Chrisisall


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Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:55 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I'll be getting the four-disc set myself. I haven't seen the theatrical narrated version in at least ten years. I had it on VHS but I gave that one to my son when I bought the director's cut on laserdisc (then later on dvd), and who knows where that tape is now?

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:02 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I'll be getting the four-disc set myself. I haven't seen the theatrical narrated version in at least ten years.

Me too; I tried watching my tape of it a couple years back, but I'm afraid I'm such a video snob I couldn't deal with such a bad picture for such a great movie.
Well, the wait's almost over.

What the hell was happening to me Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:14 AM

CHARLIEBZ


I didn't know this was coming out so soon! The only problem is I have to choose between the Twin Peaks DVD set and this one.

Maybe Santa will be good to me this year. I've been very nice...

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by CharlieBZ:
The only problem is I have to choose between the Twin Peaks DVD set and this one.


I'd let Santa handle Twin Peaks if I were you...

I knew the lingo every good cop did Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:17 AM

LWAVES


Santa's bringing mine! Hoorah!!

The Blade Runner theatrical version was one of three videos I bought when I had my first, very own VCR back in the late 80s. The other two being Highlander and Lethal Weapon.
Like you guys above I haven't seen the voice over version in forever. Should be interesting as when I got the DVD of the 'Directors Cut' I found myself saying the words in my head. Now I've got used to it without the voice over, it's gonna be strange to hear it back in place.

Not long now.



"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:53 AM

CHARLIEBZ


You bad chrisisall.

No cherry pie for you!

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Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:08 PM

REGINAROADIE


A friend of mine is getting the 5 disc Blu-Ray edition of it when it comes out, so over the holidays, I'm gonna borrow it from him to look at. Hopefully, this time I'll finally get what the big deal is with this flick.

It's weird. I've really tried to get into and like BLADE RUNNER, since everyone says it's one of, if not THE, best sci-fi movie ever made. But every time I see it, I just think it's pretty looking, but totally cold and emotionless. Maybe when I see the final, definitive version in 1080p, I'll have an "AHA" moment and love it to death like everyone else.

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:31 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:

It's weird. I've really tried to get into and like BLADE RUNNER, since everyone says it's one of, if not THE, best sci-fi movie ever made. But every time I see it, I just think it's pretty looking, but totally cold and emotionless.

The voice-over makes all the difference IMO. It gets you a little bit into Deckard's head, and by the end you see that he's just been trying to shut off his feelings like so many others. Ironically, for all their bad choices, the replicants are the only ones that really experience them in the movie.

Replicantisall

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:00 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM



yeah, i pre-ordered this one from Amazon a while back - and i agree that the original (voice over) is the best - a little film noir and sci-fi mix ..... not to mention a fine soundtrack -( Memories of Green by Vangelis is a favorite)....

as far as cold and emotionless - well that kinda sums up the ideas of many writers of science fiction - i feel that the dystopian world created by these writers is far more believable than the utopian ones.... Muppets in Space? don't think so

BR is, IMO, a timeless masterpiece

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:14 AM

REGINAROADIE


Well, I think the best futures are the even balance ones. In the commentary for the FUTURAMA pilot, they talked about how the future they wanted to depict was neither a utopia like THE JETSONS or a dystopia like BLADE RUNNER because both of those get boring after a while. So they decided to go with a future where while there have been leaps and bounds in some areas, there were still a few things that need to be worked on.

And actually, in Roger Ebert's review of CHILDREN OF MEN, he pondered why sci-fi writers always think that the future will suck. Do we have so little faith in our children and how they will shape the future that we constantly depict them fracking up the state of the world? I'd like to think that while we do repeat some mistakes (I imagine 20 or 30 years from now our kids will be asking us what the 90's and 00 were like the same way we have a fascination with the 60's and 70's), I'd like to think that we would make some advances towards a better age or something like that. Is the future depicted in STAR TREK really that unbelievable and Narnia-like today? I'd like to not think so.

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:15 AM

IMNOTHERE


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I just think it's pretty looking, but totally cold and emotionless.



Its definitely a film that's more about atmosphere than plot - and, at the time, the style was groundbreaking.

But that's part of the story - its about Deckard (and by implication, the earthbound reminant of the human race) gradually having his humanity undermined and questioned. In the book, this is rather more subtle than the "is he or isn't he" question invented by the film. In the book:

Select to view spoiler:



Deckard is definitely human, but by the end of the story he's discovered that so much of what he knows and values is a fraud, and his life is "programmed" by social convention that he might as well be an android - at least, that's what I got from it.



Another thing which is not obvious from the film is that the bustling streets are not due to overpopulation - rather, the earth has been depopulated by nuclear war and emigration to space that the remaining population - still on Earth because they are either gentically flawed or are needed to do an important job - are huddling together for comfort.

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Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:21 PM

SINGATE


Yep I completely geeked out on this one. I ordered the 5 disc briefcase version way back in August. Received an e-mail that it was shipped on Saturday so there's a chance it will arrive on the release date.

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Monday, December 17, 2007 4:36 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ImNotHere:

Another thing which is not obvious from the film is that the bustling streets are not due to overpopulation - rather, the earth has been depopulated by nuclear war and emigration to space that the remaining population - still on Earth because they are either gentically flawed or are needed to do an important job - are huddling together for comfort.

While the nuclear war thing isn't so obvious, the rest is (to me, at least). The great thing about the voice-over version is that at the end we see Deck and Rachael driving in unpopulated wilderness, willing to take a chance away from the masses in a bid to elude capture...how will they live? Where will they run out of fuel? Are there others out there that reject the 'city ways'?
Will Deck grow a beard?

I didn't know how long we had together- who does Chrisisall

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Monday, December 17, 2007 4:36 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Do we have so little faith in our children and how they will shape the future that we constantly depict them fracking up the state of the world?



…I try to remain optimistic, but I also think that there is evidence to support the bleak scenarios purposed by many writers of science fiction. Over population, deteriorating eco-system; irresponsible world leadership, greed and indifference are all prevalent in today’s world. It’s not that I don’t have faith in future generations – I know many intelligent, socially active 20 somethings who are idealistic enough to think they can change our world for the better – but, truth is, as I witness a shift to corporate dominance in all facets of our lives – where the bottom line is more important than the human cost – I have to think that the future as depicted in films such as Children of Men is not so far fetched… I keep thinking of a line from Serenity – “Earth that was could no longer sustain our numbers, we were so many…” maybe not in our lifetime – but our lifetime is just a little blip on the evolutionary map – I’m of the opinion that things will get much worse before they get better…..

oh, and have a nice day…


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Monday, December 17, 2007 4:46 AM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

The voice-over makes all the difference IMO. It gets you a little bit into Deckard's head, and by the end you see that he's just been trying to shut off his feelings like so many others.



Which is why I'll pass up on it: I *need* the voice-over. Without it, it feels barren to me.


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Monday, December 17, 2007 4:57 AM

IMNOTHERE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
While the nuclear war thing isn't so obvious,



Well, there was much talk of lead codpieces in the book.

Also, the whole thing about the cultural obligation for everybody to care for an animal (and fake it if they couldn't afford a real one, which is where the "electric sheep" of the book title come in) got cut out. Pity, because that makes it obvious that the VK test for androids is, shall we say, culturally biassed.

Oh, and of course Deckard's wife didn't feature in the film...

Its not one of those films where you can say "Read the book - its much better!" because its more different than better - and the later "cuts" of the film are no closer to the book than the original film.



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Monday, December 17, 2007 5:00 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by asarian:

Which is why I'll pass up on it: I *need* the voice-over. Without it, it feels barren to me.



The three disk set includes two cuts of the voice-over version- the U.S. theatrical and the international release. I'll glance at the new cut, then watch my narrated version, thanks, as I agree with you fully here.

It's too bad she won't live Chrisisall

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Monday, December 17, 2007 7:31 AM

STORYMARK


I'll certainly be picking this one up. Though I prefer the non-voice-over version. The V/O is cool, but doesn't really add much to the story, other than to spoon-feed some of the subtext to the audience. That, and forcing Ford to read the lines against his and the director's will, produced a flat performance, and also flies in the face of my feelings on artistic choice and the director's vison. And I prefer the more nihilistic ending, as well.

What I'm really looking forward to, is seeing all the making-of stuff, particularly the feature-length documentary, and the hour or so worth of deleted and alternate scenes.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, December 17, 2007 8:43 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I remember (or maybe I'm misremembering) an interview with Ford where he said he didn't want to do the narration and did not try to do it very well in hopes they wouldn't use it.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Monday, December 17, 2007 8:47 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I remember (or maybe I'm misremembering) an interview with Ford where he said he didn't want to do the narration and did not try to do it very well in hopes they wouldn't use it.

They asked him to read it, so he read it. As flat as he could, hoping it wouldn't be used.
Turns out, IMO, that that reading was perfect for a world-weary guy like Deckard.

Accidental perfection Chrisisall

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Monday, December 17, 2007 9:09 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I remember (or maybe I'm misremembering) an interview with Ford where he said he didn't want to do the narration and did not try to do it very well in hopes they wouldn't use it.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.



That's pretty much the story I've always heard, as well. The special features are supposed to even include outtakes from the voiceover session, where Ford mocks the dialog, and the whole voiceover.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, December 17, 2007 9:10 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
They asked him to read it, so he read it. As flat as he could, hoping it wouldn't be used.
Turns out, IMO, that that reading was perfect for a world-weary guy like Deckard.



If he really didn't want them to use it, maybe he should have used the voice he used when he questioned Zora?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, December 17, 2007 9:25 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:


If he really didn't want them to use it, maybe he should have used the voice he used when he questioned Zora?


...dirty little holes....

LOLChrisisall

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Monday, December 17, 2007 9:28 AM

ADAMWANKENOBI


I pre-ordered the 5-disc standard def set from Amazon a while back. It won't be long now!!!!!!!!!

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:56 AM

CHRISISALL


Sold some DVD's for the cashy money, and I now possess the four-disk set!!!!
WOOOO HOOOO!!!
$24 at Bestbuy!

Triumphant Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:46 AM

CHRISISALL


What a shiny bunch of transfers!!!
The Final Cut was exceptionally pretty, what with the enhanced FX and all, but the international narrated cut is still the best to me! So much stuff here...it was a bargain.

Happy replicant Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:57 AM

STORYMARK


All I've watched so far is the "Dangerous Days" doc, which was excellent (and looong). Probably watch the movie itself tonight, but I havn't decided which version yet. Probably the International, so that I can spot all the subtle changes in the Final Cut more easily.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:16 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's too bad she won't live
Chrisisall


But then again, who does?

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Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:33 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Probably the International, so that I can spot all the subtle changes in the Final Cut more easily.


You can spot 'em easy- a lot or minor tweaking was done- the best one (IMO) being making the Tyrell building look more realistic and massive.
But that still don't make it a better film (again, IMO).

Strange obsession Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:37 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
All I've watched so far is the "Dangerous Days" doc, which was excellent (and looong).

Holy crap was Batty's intro in the storyboards cool- climbing out of a mass-grave of replicants!?!?!?!!
DD's is so long, it'll take me another day or so to finish...

Inceptisall

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:31 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Holy crap was Batty's intro in the storyboards cool- climbing out of a mass-grave of replicants!?!?!?!!
DD's is so long, it'll take me another day or so to finish...

Inceptisall



Yeah, that was cool. Another grrovy featurette is the deleted and alternate scenes on disk 4. It's mostly alternate takes, with just the hospitol scenes added back in, but with the narration that Scott and People's had written, cut together chronilogically, with some voiceover from the regular movie to fill the gaps. It comes off as a 45 minute version of the film, as if Deckard was re-telling the story later... leaving some things out, adding some inconsequential details and such. Pretty cool.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:38 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Pretty cool.


$24 bought us a week of stuff to watch....

Let me know when you've seen the Final Cut, Story- I'm interested to hear what ya think...

Later, Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:21 AM

STORYMARK


Watched it last night. Loved it - but I already did. I prefer the non-narrated version, so it was really just a cleaned up version of what I already liked. But well worth the purchase.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:06 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Watched it last night. Loved it - but I already did. I prefer the non-narrated version, so it was really just a cleaned up version of what I already liked.

I watched that and the international cut- was it just me, or did the picture on the Final Cut look just a little softer than the archived ones? The colour was definitely more vibrant though, and it was way more smoothly edited than the '92 cut.

Did I see what I saw Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:23 AM

STORYMARK


Havn't watched any of the archival cuts, yet. Probably do that over the Christmas break (15 days off, starting in 2 hours - YEAH!).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:58 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Christmas break (15 days off, starting in 2 hours - YEAH!).


*disgusted jealous look*

Have fun Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:12 AM

STORYMARK


Heh heh... the upside of teaching.

Oh, and this is a complete non sequiter, but since we seem to be the only ones in here....

Months ago, the topic of Solaris came up, and I had not seen it. Finally did, partially on your recomendation -

LOVED IT!

Thatisall....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:20 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Finally did, partially on your recomendation -

LOVED IT!



Glad I could be of assistance, mate.

It's in me top 20 Chrisisall



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Friday, December 21, 2007 5:12 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Another groovy featurette is the deleted and alternate scenes on disk 4. It comes off as a 45 minute version of the film, as if Deckard was re-telling the story later... leaving some things out, adding some inconsequential details and such. Pretty cool.


Holy freakin' crap- the extras on the BR 4 disk set DO NOT disappoint!!!!!
The deleted scenes with the Ford narration was worth the price ALONE!!!!
This is THE best DVD of the year!!!!! (just like Rolling Stone said)

Pig in doo Chrisisall



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Friday, December 21, 2007 8:48 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
BR 4 disk set



ah, are we speaking of the same collection here?... amazon was a little slow, but my 5 Disc set just came in... this is the Limited Edition Collectible with the 4 discs you guys are talking about - plus a 5th disc entitled 'Ultra-Rare Pre-Release Workprint' .... plus some extra shiny bits like a minature unicorn (plastic) and a spinner vehicle replica (cute but also plastic), some art work and a funny little thing called a motion film clip - kinda cool but worthless...all in a small plastic briefcase thing - pretty much all overkill, since i only wanted the discs, but it's what it is... so now i can get down to the task at hand and watch hours of my favorite Blade Runner....hey the doors open on the spinner car...!

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Friday, December 21, 2007 11:54 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
hey the doors open on the spinner car...!

I'll trade ya my Viper for it...

On second thought, Naaah Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:47 AM

SINGATE


I can't top this review so I just decided to repost it here. Pretty much says it all. This was posted by Leto II at Force.net...

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It was absolutely, completely worth it. Watched the Workprint version last night, the "All Our Variant Futures" documentary, and the deleted/alternate scenes, and finally a little of the Paul Sammon commentary on the workprint before I finally had to concede that my body required sleep. This is without a doubt the release of the year, from what little I've been able to watch of this so far. My deepest appreciation and congratulations go to Charlie de Lauzirika and everyone else who worked on this set, from the people who researched and restored elements, all the way to the people in Warner Bros. Legal who had to clear everything; they all had their work cut out for them, and delivered big-time.

It's really something when you can be reading about a DVD release for months before it comes out, know exactly what's on it, and still be blown away. This isn't just a home run; it's a grand slam.

Quite frankly, this may be the greatest special edition ever produced. I don't mean to say that as a fanboy (which I probably am anyway), but just objectively looking at all of the content on it, it's hard to think of any single release that matches it, especially when one considers the interesting and problematic history of this film. Even the best sets that I can think of have something or other that make them not as good as this set. Think of the Extended Editions of The Lord of the Rings -- amazing sets, but they lack the theatrical versions of the films, as well as the special features from the theatrical DVDs. The Ultimate Set of Superman that came out last year was also amazing, but lacked the extended television cuts of the first two films, as well as a commentary for Superman Returns, a workprint version of Superman IV, etc. Or the Fantasia set, one of my all-time favorites, that unfortunately lacks the original Deems Taylor narration from the original film, as well as the shorter version that had been known to audiences for years, and probably should have been included anyhow.

That's not to knock any of those sets, which are fantastic and among the best of the best. Rather, that's to point out just how good this new Blade Runner set is. Every version of the film. A huge three-and-a-half-hour-long documentary. Deleted scenes assembled as a watchable, stand-alone quasi-feature in its own right. Commentaries. All sorts of featurettes. Unbelievable what they were able to put together. And that doesn't even include "The Final Cut" itself, which wasn't originally getting a theatrical run, and was just being made for this DVD.

With all of the bonus material here, it's easy to forget how awesome it is that there's a "Final Cut" version in and of itself. PLUS all of the other versions out there, so there truly isn't any revisionism here, no attempt to replace the earlier versions of the film or to wipe them from our memories. If you prefer either of the 1982 original theatrical releases, they're there, and better looking than they've ever been on any home video format. (I noticed that the four-disc set was only $25 at Best Buy, which is an amazing price to get "The Final Cut," the older 1992 "Director's Cut," and the original theatricals with the narration, so you can't even complain that you're being forced to spend an arm and a leg if the 1982 version is your preferred cut. Classy all the way.)

Incidentally, I've just gotten a notification from the UPS website that my delivery from Amazon that was scheduled for today will not happen because of some shipping error, or some other bull****. So I definitely don't regret buying one at Best Buy now, as I wouldn't have had it tonight anyway.

The real point I'm trying to make, and probably could have done a better job of doing, is that for me at least, this is *the* release of 2007, and one of the best special editions ever produced. They opened up the vaults and gave us just about everything they could have. I might not be as impressed by that in and of itself for some other films, but considering all of the legal issues that have surrounded this film since the beginning, it's practically a miracle just to have anything, and I definitely take that into account in my opinion of the set.

(I think the most recent James Bond releases had the potential to be among the great special editions, for instance, but that it ends up being an "almost, but not quite" affair...had those features been provided for Blade Runner, I would have been ecstatic, but since James Bond hasn't had the sort of legal nightmare that Blade Runner has had, they had no excuse not to have done better.)

Also, I like that with the briefcase set, Warners are essentially saying, "This has everything, and you won't need to hold on to your earlier edition of the film, or buy something else that's already been out, to have everything." If you want everything for Lord of the Rings, you have to buy what? -- three different versions, now? That counts for a lot with me.

Like I said, it's all a matter of taste and preference, and for me, this Blade Runner briefcase set gives me everything I could have ever hoped for and much more.

Stellar, stellar work.

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Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:59 AM

CHRISISALL


Great review, thanks Sin...give Leto our regards!

No spinner for Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:39 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I finally got my 4 Disc Set. Probably should have gotten it at Best Buy, but had pre-ordered from amazon months ago, and they usually ship very fast. But this time it took four days from the official release date for me to get it.

So with that limitation, I have only watched the original theatrical cut and the Final Cut so far. While I am willing to concede that the narration in the original is not as obtrusive as I once thought, I still think it is superfluous, and neither the '91 Director's Cut nor the Final Cut suffer from its lack. I am definitely not sorry I spent this money, perhaps the best DVD release I own so far.

Blade Runner is still my second favorite SF film of all time (and no, Chris, Serenity is still not my #1 :) ). I reviewed the film nearly seven years ago for my own site - http://templetongate.net/bladerunner.htm - and while I did recently update that page with the new dvd information, I saw no reason to alter anything else about the review.



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Sunday, December 23, 2007 6:23 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:

Blade Runner is still my second favorite SF film of all time (and no, Chris, Serenity is still not my #1 :) ).

If you liked 2001 THAT much, I suspect that you also enjoyed the most recent Solaris, no? I put them both on the same pedestal of awe...
Serenity suffers from a limited budget, newish theatrical director, and a necessary over-reliance on CGI for FX compared to Blade Runner- that said, I still cannot help but love it more than any other film for it's bold message and raw heart.

Rabid fan Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 23, 2007 6:48 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Currently, Serenity resides at #3 on my favorite SF films list, and I don't think the top two spots are in jeopardy. Yes, I consider 2001 the best, and I also enjoyed Soderbergh's Solaris, much more so than the bloated and vastly over-rated Tarkovsky version. Of course, Lem's novel is superior to either film version.



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Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:12 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I consider 2001 the best

Any love at all for Hyam's 2010?
Personally, I like it the way I like Robocop 3- I appreciate for what I can see it could have been....plus, Scheider




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Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:37 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I wouldn't call it love, but I do like 2010 for several different elements, the cast being the major part of that. Not only Scheider, but also Helen Mirren, John Lithgow, Bob Balaban, Dana Elcar, Mary Jo Deschanel, James McEachin, and to top it off, a cameo by Arthur C. Clarke himself!

It wouldn't come anywhere near my Top 10 however.



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Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:29 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:

It wouldn't come anywhere near my Top 10 however.



To continue hijacking my own thread:
Clearly Kubrick was responsible for the greatness of 2001- how do you feel about AI seeing as Spielberg worked off his notes and discussions?
I think it's one of Spielberg's best efforts (if you take Raiders out of the equation...).

SF talk Chrisisall

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