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Now that BSG season 3 has befuddled us...which is better, the Original or the new?

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Ten years from now, will you put on the Original BSG for your entertainment, or the newer one?

I'm sort of in the camp that says the Original, while full-O-cheese, is better now that we've seen the direction the terrifying space writers have gone on the new one.

WHAT SAY WE ALL?

Apollo Chrisisall




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Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:30 AM

CHRISISALL


HA! I just got the old series used for $40!!!
Back to the fun of it. If I'm gonna watch stupid science, at least it should be fun.
No 'indistinguishable-from-human' Cylons opening up their wrists to connect to computers...no fat Lee...no questions about pressurization on Scar...no "Ooops, I'm a Cylon?"
I was getting sick of it.
I'll look at season 4, but I'm not hoping for much.


Borillian Noman Chrisisall



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Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:40 AM

DERANGEDMILK


While I'm sure the fourth season will either completely solidify this belief or completely destroy it but right now I'm still behind the new series. Befouled? Nah. Befuddled? Maybe, but I like that.
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Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:58 AM

CHRISISALL


It's a well-produced show, and I held on to the mini-series that launched it (it was great), but even back then I had questions about how a series would unfold based upon the first three hours.
I hope it bounces back from the "Knockin' on Heaven's door" lameness. But truthfully, the ep where Dr. Baltar found the beaten and raped other #6 was where I really sensed they were slipping into 'let's shock the audience' territory. I don't mind bein' shaken and stirred, but this endless gray area in the narrative has to make way for science fiction sometimes (IMHO)!!



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Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:39 AM

JONGSSTRAW


As we discussed the other day.......Jane Seymour in her flight suit during training....oh my.

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:58 AM

STORYMARK


I loved the 3rd season, and never liked the old BSG, even as a kid.

So, I guess you know my answer.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:05 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Jane Seymour in her flight suit during training....oh my.

Haven't actually seen those eps since 1979!!!

And I have this:


She was my first crush Chrisisall



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Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:16 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I loved the 3rd season


You didn't mind the

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Oh look, suddenly Starbuck's a Cylon; lets kill her too

?

Chrisisall



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Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:03 PM

LWAVES


This is difficult because I really love the original, and saw it's first showing in the late seventies.
I wonder where they might have gone if they'd had a proper follow on season (the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making the world believe that Galactica 80 exists - it doesn't).
One of my first tv/movie crushes I remember was on Athena. I even thought the daggit was cute back then.
And whilst the FX are dated now, and it's obvious that shots were reused over and over, the ships are still up there with the coolest of the cool - especially the Vipers.
So this version will always have a place in my televisual heart.

But on the other hand I like the tone of the new series. I think they have done a fantastic job of making it a success considering all the negative backlash that was around before an episode had even been shown (remember all the cries of 'Starbuck's a GIRL!!!').
As a completely non-religious person I find that it is the religion side of things that is one of the draws for me. And the fact that sometimes they are really on the edge of extinction.
I even like that it can be quite depressing and doesn't have a lot of humour. They don't try to force jokes in like some shows.
Also, I have a crush Grace Park, who oddly enough now plays a character called Athena (read into that what you want).
I agree that season 3 isn't the best but it is still great, and I believe that the makers will do it justice and it will make sense once we've seen the ending.

If I really had to pick, right now, it would be the new series, but it's so close, that next time I might change my mind.

As for Chris's spoiler, has it been definitely stated that 'you know who' is a 'you know what'. I heard that 'the others' had been confirmed but I'm not sure about 'you know who'???
Maybe someone can clarify for me.



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Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:07 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I loved the 3rd season


You didn't mind the

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Oh look, suddenly Starbuck's a Cylon; lets kill her too

?

Chrisisall





I didn't interpret it that way at all. I don't remember anything that said that

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Starbuck was a Cylon

.

There is certainly something we don't know about that character, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. And, it doesn't jive with the final 5 plotline, so I think you misread the storyline.

But even if your interpretation is correct, no, that wouldn't have "befouled" the whole season for me. Not in the least.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:20 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


There were some weak episodes in Season Three, but by far the worst ep of the new series was Season Two's "Black Market." Still, that one was better than the best the original series had to offer.

Not only was the original series cheesy, it wasn't even real cheese, but rather that bland tasteless crud made from soy.



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Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:39 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:

Not only was the original series cheesy, it wasn't even real cheese, but rather that bland tasteless crud made from soy.



Ecgordon, I like and respect you highly, so I will give you the following responses:

The reasonable adult Chrisisall:
I can understand your point of view and concede that yes, it can be viewed as bland nonsense, or even felgercarb depending upon the specific episode.

The inner teenage Chrisisall:
You just don't like good characters and simple moral compasses; the show was more FUN that that crappy, mean copy they're making now!!! Eat my SHORTS!!!!

Multiple Chrisisall



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Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:40 PM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I loved the 3rd season


You didn't mind the

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Oh look, suddenly Starbuck's a Cylon; lets kill her too

?

Chrisisall




Back to this now are we? Chris, you gotta go look up some of those debates from near the end of season 3. There were some real bare-knuckle brawls over whether the "final five" are Starbuck, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, and Tory (Roslin's aide). I took the ultra-unpopular stance of saying, they may be, they may not be--but at this point we just don't know! May the games begin--again!

For the record, I heart the new series, fat Lee, lawyer Lee, new raped #6, and all.

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:54 PM

CHRISISALL


Nothing, NOTHING will ever excuse them for fat Lee.

Seriously though, do you find yourself re-watching eps from the new series? I tried, but I lose interest knowing what's coming. The Pegasus eps were the only ones that really held me on the second round.

Frak. Who knows, maybe I'll LOVE season four...

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:32 PM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:


Back to this now are we? Chris, you gotta go look up some of those debates from near the end of season 3. There were some real bare-knuckle brawls over whether the "final five" are Starbuck, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, and Tory (Roslin's aide). I took the ultra-unpopular stance of saying, they may be, they may not be--but at this point we just don't know! May the games begin--again!



It's the "again" part, I suppose, where things went really over the top for me. Boomer a Cylon, now that was original! And it weren't entirely disfunctional to introduce the 'what-if' question either, to explain some of the psychology of our "No more Mr. Nice Gaius". But Starbuck, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, and Tory?? That's like someone opened an airlock, and all the show's credibility got sucked right into space! ("blown", as Data would say).

And as for lawyer, fat Lee, maybe the script originally said he'd work for a "flat fee", and some doofus accidentally just read "fat Lee". :)


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Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by asarian:

And as for lawyer, fat Lee, maybe the script originally said he'd work for a "flat fee", and some doofus accidentally just read "fat Lee". :)



BWAHAHAHAHAH..............uh..uh...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:38 PM

WYTCHCROFT



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Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM

CYBERSNARK


I'm liking the new series, despite the marked lack of fun (and the frequently bad audio --dialogue should be louder than background music, frak it).

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And no, no one has confirmed that Starbuck is a Cylon, but I like to think she is. I love the whole idea of the Final Five; Bigotry is a sore point for me, and I love the idea that some of the most anti "toaster" crew members are gonna have to take a long hard look at themselves, and decide if what they are has any bearing on who they are.



I loved Tigh's speech in the S3 finale. And "All Along the Watchtower." I'm all for odd musical choices.

It's like they're asking for fanvids.

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:37 PM

WYTCHCROFT


have you read the geek monthly interview with katee sackhoff??

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she doesn't WANT to be a cylon...



it's a good interview...

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:25 PM

JRC


Saw the old series when it first came out, was really into it, for the first season. Then things started getting repetitive: Cylons attack, humans running away, over and over and over. It got to the point where my favorite character was Count Baltar. So, new BSG for me.



Everyone dies alone.

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Friday, October 19, 2007 12:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Jane Seymour in her flight suit during training....oh my.

Haven't actually seen those eps since 1979!!!
She was my first crush Chrisisall


On the DVD interviews, Noah Hathaway who played Boxey had a great segment describing how he actually considered Jane his mother & how much he truly loved and worshipped her, and how he was totally devastated when she "died" on the show after only the 2nd epidsode. He said it was quite traumatic. Richard Hatch, the lucky bastard who got to make out with her & caress her also was head over heals in love with her and told how he was devastated when she left. As an early immediate fan of the show I too felt that way. I can only imagine that if she had stayed longer before becoming a tv-movie & movie superstar, Battlestar would have have a longer run than one season. Dirk Benedict said that he thought the show had really come into it's stride at the end; all the characters and relationships were developing, they had so much potential material to work with, etc... and he thought it was on the verge of a long run. Then, without any notice the network ABC says it's over...bam!
He was lucky and got A Team pretty soon. The interview with Lance LeGault is terrific also...and one of the most interesting things I learned is how much they all respected John Colicos, in his over-the-top, yet ever-believably compelling portrayal of Baltar. To this day, I can look back at that pivotal moment in the Pilot when ultra-naive, "liberal", wanna make peace President Lew Ayres turns around and realizes what an utter fool idiot dupe he and his Govt. were, and how he is resonsible for the destruction of humanity & civilization. I think that potential scenario still rings true even louder now than ever in our little corner of the galaxy.

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Friday, October 19, 2007 2:21 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by asarian:
Boomer a Cylon, now that was original! And it weren't entirely disfunctional to introduce the 'what-if' question either, to explain some of the psychology of our "No more Mr. Nice Gaius". But Starbuck, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, and Tory?? That's like someone opened an airlock, and all the show's credibility got sucked right into space! ("blown", as Data would say).



But we don't "know" that they're Cylons. There may be strong reasons to suspect that they are. But there may be something else to explain the phenomenon that they're all experiencing. Until we see the final five we won't know.

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Friday, October 19, 2007 2:37 AM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:

Quote:

Originally posted by asarian:

Boomer a Cylon, now that was original! And it weren't entirely disfunctional to introduce the 'what-if' question either, to explain some of the psychology of our "No more Mr. Nice Gaius". But Starbuck, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, and Tory?? That's like someone opened an airlock, and all the show's credibility got sucked right into space! ("blown", as Data would say).



But we don't "know" that they're Cylons. There may be strong reasons to suspect that they are. But there may be something else to explain the phenomenon that they're all experiencing. Until we see the final five we won't know.



Fair enough. But even playing the Cylon card, or playing with playing it, irks me something fierce now, as they clearly used it to make sure people bridge that cliff hanger, come Season 4, whether it all turns out to be true or no. A lame ploy, if they did that. But one that works, nonetheless, as I'll definitely be watching the continuation. :)


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Friday, October 19, 2007 3:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
To this day, I can look back at that pivotal moment in the Pilot when ultra-naive, "liberal", wanna make peace President Lew Ayres turns around and realizes what an utter fool idiot dupe he and his Govt. were, and how he is responsible for the destruction of humanity & civilization. I think that potential scenario still rings true even louder now than ever in our little corner of the galaxy.

I wouldn't say louder than ever, there is always the potential to go too far one way or another; we must be strong and prepared...as Teddy said, walk softly and carry a big stick

Or was that Bugs Chrisisall


P.S. Lovin' the classic- I like my Baltar straight-up bad!

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Friday, October 19, 2007 7:11 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by JRC:
Saw the old series when it first came out, was really into it, for the first season. Then things started getting repetitive: Cylons attack, humans running away, over and over and over.

I'll agree that after the first season, the Original BSG just sucked...

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Friday, October 19, 2007 8:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Testing a new avi..

Chrisisall

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Friday, October 19, 2007 11:32 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Testing a new avi..

Chrisisall



That. Is. SO COOL!

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Friday, October 19, 2007 11:41 AM

CHRISISALL


Yeah, I love how they kept the classic look, but sleeked it up.

LAUNCHisall

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Friday, October 19, 2007 2:50 PM

EVERYTHINGSSHINY2K6


A couple of thoughts on this topic.

To begin with regard to season 3 there were several issues which I have picked up on which I think have contributed to Season 3 not being the best ever season of BSG (Although still better than most of the crap thats on TV at the moment)

1. Most of the seasons budget seems to have been blown in the first 4 episodes: Location shooting is expensive especially considering the scale this was on not forgetting the seriously awesome special effects in Exodus part 2 which must have cost a bucket load. This meant that for the rest of the season they had less money meaning that they could not do as much "fun stuff" and had to do bottle episodes utilising pre-existing sets and stock footage

2. Network interference: Any browncoat worth their salt knows this simple mantra "The network knows nothing!" I was listening to one of the podcasts done by RDM regarding the third series and one of the things that he said was the network had put pressure on him to do more standalone episodes rather than stories that contribute directly to the arc of BSG so more viewers could get into it. Anyone who watches the show would have noticed that arc based stories were not as prevelant or as essential to the plot as in previous seasons most story arcs for season 3 the central "final 5" story arc was built up very slowly and only appears prevelantly in the episodes Rapture/Eye of Jupiter and Crossroads (1&2) Baltars trial the other major arc was only gotten into the last half of part 2 of the season. Battlestar is a show that is meant to be arc driven and doesnt cope as well with single story episodes (despite some damn good quality ones in season 1)

3. The whole series is one long story: Every story has three parts or acts, a beginning, a middle, and an end. RDM commented that Maelstrom is the episode that marks the end of Act 2 of BSG. What follows is my interpretation of the breakdown of BSG's acts

Teaser/Prologue: Miniseries

Act 1: "33" through to "Pegasus"/"Reserrection Ship Part 2"

Act 2: "Epiphanies" to "Maelstrom"

Act 3: "The Son also Rises" to the end of season 4.

We can see that the episodes and that are most criticised in BSG (the end of season 2 and season 3) are in the middle. Anyone who watches a film or reads a book knows that the middle of story is were the writers concentrate most on character development leaving out the juicy bits and building suspense until the last act (I.e the boring bit). Running with the film analogy the middle is normally the bit were the people who are bored get up and leave the cinema rather than waiting for the end. Season 4 therefore logically will be the payoff and will (probably/hopefully) return to the standards of story telling seen at the beginning of the show while tieing up all the old plot threads without having to come up with new ones.

Also the last season also means that the writers can give the network the finger and not really care what they thinks cos its the final season and they've already given them the money.

I know this post is going on a bit but I am not convinced that Starbuck is a Cylon, Adama has also seen hallucinations similar to Baltar, Six and Starbuck (his wife in the episode "a day in the life") and as far as I know he is not a Cylon.

There plenty more I'd like to put but its late I'm tired, and also slightly drunk so I cant really remember what this started out as a response to so I'll draw this a close before I start to ramble....


Oh... whoops... sorry!

P.S - new theory: At the end of the series hands up who reckons it will be Adama that is the leader who will die and will not see Earth and it will be Roslin who survives... just to really f*** with everyones heads

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Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:00 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


I think the new had the potential to be a very good show, it stated on a high but looking back at the series it really lost the plot and became depressing. I think the old was campy and often ridiculous but it tired to be fun and exciting while the new re-imagined one always had some serious flaws

Take this review
http://movies.ign.com/articles/444/444434p2.html
"The Cylons despise mankind so much that they will settle for nothing less than bombing us out of existence. So, the next generation model of Cylon...what...looks human? They're embracing the template for the very thing they wish to destroy? No matter how desperately the filmmakers try to misdirect us from this fact, it doesn't bring any integrity or – or any baseline points of association – to the proceedings. If anything, the humanizing of the Cylons nearly completely undercuts the story both variants of Galactica are trying to tell."

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Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:31 AM

CHRISISALL


Yeah...unfortunately I see it like that also. They had a good concept, a vision even, but no long range plan that ultimately made sense. The final season will likely be a cool showdown of sorts, but the science in SF was lost to them after the mini-series IMHO.

Gimme a daggit Chrisisall

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Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:52 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


If Starbuck turns out to be a Cylon, I’ve had it.

As far as Jane Seymour, she was hot. As much as I hate to admit it, she really didn’t belong on Battlestar Galactica. She is one of those fabulously beautiful actors with real genuine acting talent – I never quite understood why she wasn’t bigger then she was.

There were several hot women on the original BSG. Anne Lockhart had that pouty independence thing going and Laurette Spang was the blond bombshell, but in those days, the female figure on BSG that I liked was Sarah Rush, who played Flight Corporal Rigel. She was part of the main cast, but She didn’t do much more then say “Launch when ready,” cast in the red glow of the bridge emergency lights.




And as far as the question of the thread, I have a hard time deciding which is better. Sure the new BSG has better acting, better effects and all around better story, but it also has several things going for it, such as 2007 technology, a cable channel devoted to science fiction and a much freer television atmosphere that lets shows get away with a lot more. The original BSG had none of these advantages. It didn’t have computer cenimatography or a network willing to give the writers/producers full control. Yet it still managed to capture my imagination in a way that the new BSG could never have done, if for no other reason than that I would probably not have been allowed to watch it. They’re both good in their own way, but if I’m forced to pick one or the other, I would have to go with the old BSG because, in spite of its many disadvantages it still managed to tell a compelling and imaginative story that was suitable for children.



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Monday, October 29, 2007 1:40 AM

BADKARMA00


I'd have to say that the old one was more fun to watch, while the newer one is certainly more realistic, and grittier. And the old one had Jane Seymour, not to mention Maureen Jansen, who played Athena!
But hey, that's just me!

Bad_karma

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Monday, October 29, 2007 1:40 AM

BADKARMA00


Is grittier a word?

Bad_karma

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Monday, October 29, 2007 3:13 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
They’re both good in their own way, but if I’m forced to pick one or the other, I would have to go with the old BSG because, in spite of its many disadvantages it still managed to tell a compelling and imaginative story that was suitable for children.

More agreement here.
And if ya like Jane, see Somewhere In Time, Sinbad And The Eye Of The Tiger, and Lassiter (whoah!).

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Monday, October 29, 2007 4:44 AM

MACBAKER


The original is a cheese fest, and hard to watch now. The new Battlestar, while far from perfect, is still far superior to the original. The acting is better, the stories more dramatic, and the production values are movie quality.

I had issues with the original from the start. "The Cylons have exterminated nearly the entire human population of twelve planets! Let all go to the Casino Planet and party! Yea!"

The new series has had it's ups and downs, but it's still one of the best Sci-fi shows ever on television!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Monday, October 29, 2007 4:49 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by MacBaker:
The original is a cheese fest

You say that like it's a bad thing.
You got something against curdled milk, Mac?

Glory, anyone?
Adam?
Mr. Universe?

Make mine with extra cheese please Chrisisall

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Monday, October 29, 2007 7:29 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by MacBaker:
The original is a cheese fest

You say that like it's a bad thing.
You got something against curdled milk, Mac?

Glory, anyone?
Adam?
Mr. Universe?

Make mine with extra cheese please Chrisisall




I'll agree that it's a bad thing. I guess I'm just lactose intollerant with my SciFi.

I can't even get through a single episode of the original without my eyes rolling so hard it actually turns off the TV from across the room.

I'll take the worst episode of the new, over any of the old, thanks.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, October 29, 2007 7:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
I guess I'm just lactose intollerant with my SciFi.


Brilliant reply, sir!

Chrisisall

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Monday, October 29, 2007 5:20 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
More agreement here.
And if ya like Jane, see Somewhere In Time, Sinbad And The Eye Of The Tiger, and Lassiter (whoah!).

I saw Somewhere In Time years ago. I hated that I had to watch it because my mother made me, but after I did, I really liked it.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:54 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
after I did, I really liked it.



Jane was so beguiling....

Live and let die Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:39 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


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Originally posted by MacBaker:
The original is a cheese fest, and hard to watch now. The new Battlestar, while far from perfect, is still far superior to the original. The acting is better, the stories more dramatic, and the production values are movie quality.




I'm no fan of the original, it had silly episodes, badly written characters, it was very different with the Muffits and Dirk Benedict characters but at least it tried to be fun and it was original.

You've seen the Nielsen Ratings for the new series, people have stopped watching and with poor story telling and silly sub plots that's just too bad. It was once a good series that had great potential to be really good scifi, now its just got plain silly and people have stopped watching

There were many graphs posted on its poor ratings



The new series has taken a nose dive, there are many reasons why.

How groundbreaking was the new BSG ? Websites like battlestargalatcia seem to imply that the new guys borrowed a heck of a lot of material from DeSanto, Hatch and Singer's vision which were trying to push for a continuity on Battlestar's storyline, their films fell into development hell. The Dalton character from Richard Hatch's books is almost an exact match for the Kara Thrace character.

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/hatchvision.htm


The Battlestar got bad, Season 2.5 - S3 had too many poor episodes, yes you had cool CGI making Galactia planet jump in Exodus but the majority of the series was way below par, Black Market is a lame shock jock episode. Selling children off as some kind of hooker is just an example of depraved shock jockery directing and the new BSG directors/producers were trying to be controversial just for the sake of it. 'Hero' is also a bad ep, the Rocky in space episode was terrible. The new BSG became overly political, Joss is liberal and so are many other Hollywood producers but they write a show conservatives can also enjoy. The new BSG alienated viewers by using Cylon war apology, injecting political abortion stuff and blaming the U.S. for 9/11.


Season 1 of the New bsg did do its story telling very well, it was good scifi with good characters but there's more than just a LOT of remarkable coincidences between the films which fell into development hell and the re-imagined series by Moore and Eick suddenly got flying. Besides the word 'reimagined' does have a much better ring to it than rip-off.




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Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:53 AM

STORYMARK


I've shot down that graphic and reasoning before.... but I'll do it here, too.

Yes, the Neilson ratings have dropped for BSG - but that's hardly the entuire story.

BSG has been recognized as one of the most TIVO/DVR'd shows on the air, and the time delay numbers are still not factored accurately into the Nielson numbers. Secondly, it's a highly downloaded show. Last season, BSG downloads from iTunes were very high - equaled to several other TV series downloads combined. Third, the DVD's sell very, very well. And this isn't even counting the bittorrent viewers, which also represents a large group (among which I count myself, having ditched cable a while back).

That chart, though it has become a rallying point for haters of the show, is simply not an accurate representation of the show's popularity.

People havn't "stopped watching", they just don't watch it on SciFi, and catch it elsewhere.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:57 AM

MACBAKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Quote:

Originally posted by MacBaker:
The original is a cheese fest, and hard to watch now. The new Battlestar, while far from perfect, is still far superior to the original. The acting is better, the stories more dramatic, and the production values are movie quality.




I'm no fan of the original, it had silly episodes, badly written characters, it was very different with the Muffits and Dirk Benedict characters but at least it tried to be fun and it was original.

You've seen the Nielsen Ratings for the new series, people have stopped watching and with poor story telling and silly sub plots that's just too bad. It was once a good series that had great potential to be really good scifi, now its just got plain silly and people have stopped watching

There were many graphs posted on its poor ratings



The new series has taken a nose dive, there are many reasons why.

How groundbreaking was the new BSG ? Websites like battlestargalatcia seem to imply that the new guys borrowed a heck of a lot of material from DeSanto, Hatch and Singer's vision which were trying to push for a continuity on Battlestar's storyline, their films fell into development hell. The Dalton character from Richard Hatch's books is almost an exact match for the Kara Thrace character.

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/hatchvision.htm


The Battlestar got bad, Season 2.5 - S3 had too many poor episodes, yes you had cool CGI making Galactia planet jump in Exodus but the majority of the series was way below par, Black Market is a lame shock jock episode. Selling children off as some kind of hooker is just an example of depraved shock jockery directing and the new BSG directors/producers were trying to be controversial just for the sake of it. 'Hero' is also a bad ep, the Rocky in space episode was terrible. The new BSG became overly political, Joss is liberal and so are many other Hollywood producers but they write a show conservatives can also enjoy. The new BSG alienated viewers by using Cylon war apology, injecting political abortion stuff and blaming the U.S. for 9/11.


Season 1 of the New bsg did do its story telling very well, it was good scifi with good characters but there's more than just a LOT of remarkable coincidences between the films which fell into development hell and the re-imagined series by Moore and Eick suddenly got flying. Besides the word 'reimagined' does have a much better ring to it than rip-off.






Actually, it's shows with mulitiple showings, like Battlestar that have changed the way Nelson ratings are done this season. There are the "over nights", and then they now add the "Plus 7" ratings. Plus 7 ratings, are those that come from later showings and from DVR viewings. With those "plus 7" numbers factored in, Battlestar's ratings haven't slipped nearly as far as those initial ratings your cute little graph shows!

Bionic Woman is a prime example of this new system for ratings. ABC was touting the "Over Nights" ratings for Private Practice, claiming victory in that time slot, but when the "Plus 7" ratings came in later, it was a virtual tie between Private Practive and Bionic Woman for the wednesday night time slot.

Sci-Fi fans seem more inclinded to DVR and watch later. It's not surprising that we sci-fi techno geeks are ahead of the average viewer, and Tivo those shows we don't want to miss!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:55 AM

HOPERULES


When I was a kid, I really liked the old BSG. I had a little thing for Richard Hatch. However, even as a kid, I realized the story got a little silly and repetitive toward the end. As an adult, I doubt I would enjoy it much. Just too cheesy for me.

I tried to watch the new BSG. I found it too depressing. There was not one human or cylon I liked. I did not care how the story came out.

May have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Monday, April 21, 2008 3:36 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


The second episode of season four didn’t fare as well as the premiere, which also didn’t have great ratings (vs. the whole cable universe, not the SciFi channel, mind you). The second episode lost about 16% of its viewers from the premiere falling to 1.801 million viewers (from 2.138 million for the premiere). I predict it will lose more, perhaps even me for the time being, although I’m sure I’ll go back and binge on them when it winds up completing.

Before getting to the spoilers here are the first two episodes ratings in their debut airings. We don’t even get the first Friday airings via Nielsen because they don’t make the weekly cable top 40. I’d rate our odds of ever seeing any of the data for the subsequent airings as very, very close to zero..

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/more-battlestar-galactica-nielsen
-ratings-and-they-arent-great/3355

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Saturday, April 26, 2008 5:19 AM

HIXIE129


Ratings mean nothing.. Firefly had terrible ratings and it was the best show on TV.. BSG and StarGate Atlantis are the only good scifi on TV.. The new BSG is far better than the old one.

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Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:00 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Firefly had not great ratings because Fox never advertised it, and the episodes were broadcast in the wrong order.


BSG is loved by Skiffy, heavily advertised etc

I rank new BSG over the old series but just barely

give the old show a 6/10, from what I've seen of it the show was dumb but it gets a 6 for its space battles or originality in its story.

I give Season 1 of the new re-imagined show a 9.5/10
Season 2 a 7/10 because its got great episodes but got dragged out too long and has crap episodes like Black Market
Season 3 I give a 4/10 because it sucked
Season 4 I haven't bothered with, and I won't rate

So IMO, on average this heavily promoted re-imagined show only scores a 6.8/10





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Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:03 AM

IMNOTHERE


Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:

Take this review
http://movies.ign.com/articles/444/444434p2.html
"The Cylons despise mankind so much that they will settle for nothing less than bombing us out of existence. So, the next generation model of Cylon...what...looks human?




The Cylons revere humanity as their creators and aspire to being "human" - but as they develop they start to realise that humans are sinful, worship the wrong gods and are generally not worthy parents. Some Cylon factions decide that the humans should die to make way for the Cylon pseudo-human utopia that we see at the end of Season 2 - and the attack happens when these factions are ascendent. Other factions are more pro-human, and gain influence after the attack. The result of this is the occupation of New Caprica - a typically senseless "political compromise" between the pro- and anti- human factions.

BSG's problem is that it is tacking quite deep issues about humanity's moral hypocrisy which some people don't really want to hear. Its not *meant* to be a fun show - its meant to be thought provoking. Yes - there is more padding in the middle of each season than around Fat Lee's stomach - but thats endemic in US TV's insistence on making too many bloody episodes of everything.

C.f. the original where Baltar thinks "Hey, I'll help the Cylons wipe out my entire race in return for power and money - yup, sounds like a good plan!".

P.s. What's the problem with "Fat Lee"? He was kicking around on the Pegasus for months with nothing to do, suffering guilt over abandoning the people on New Caprica and feeling like a coward for not rushing back to save them. Consequence: low self esteem => he lets himself go to seed. Perfectly good character development.




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Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:13 AM

PARTICIPANT


People here need to check out Bryan Singer's version. Bryan Singer (Apt Pupil) and Tom DeSanto (Transformers) were going to try and continue the old story, like of like how the modernized Star Trek etc. It was going to start filming in late 2001, but the 911 attacks messed up a lot of people's lives. Impatient Skiffy axed their show
David Eick and Ron Moore then gate crashed the party, stealing ideas from the scripts and production efforts. Which is why much of reimagined Battlestar's first season shares striking similarities to Bryan Singer's cancellation.

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