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Star Trek Voyager revisited

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Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:17 AM

CYBERSNARK


I was just clearing up some old files and came across this. I'm posting it here 'cause I recall that there are a few here who may recall Voyager and, well, care.

First, some background: I always thought Voyager had a particularly cool premise. A Federation starship finds itself stranded on the far side of the galaxy, surrounded by the strange new worlds and new civilizations that Starfleet hasn't been seeking for close to a century. Of course, being me, I immediately thought "far side of the galaxy, Delta Quadrant --that's Borg Space!" Young and naive as I was, I was excited.

Voyager turned out to be a disapointment. Don't get me wrong, there were more good episodes in there than most people acknowledge ("Critical Care" is still in my top 10 hours of all Trek), but the Borg. . . not so much.

See, the Borg are possibly the single most unremittingly alien consciousness ever encountered in the history of Trek. Even Q seems fairly tame by comparison. The Collective requires a writer willing to stretch themselves and try something completely new.

When we (and by "we" I mean writers in general) first get into science fiction, we're told by the Authorities On The Subject that it is Impossible to write "real" aliens. No matter how hard we try, we will never, ever, ever be able to write anything that's not filtered through our own, inherently human, experiences.

Some writers accept this, and go on to write brilliant human-driven character drama and allegory. More power to them. Others (like myself) take it as a direct challenge. We try to outdo each other with the most out-there, inhuman, and downright odd beings we can come up with. We're always looking for things that have never been done before.

The Borg, by their very nature, required the latter. Unfortunately, Star Trek, as its own little sub-genre, tends to attract the former. I think Voyager's main problem is that they just couldn't wrap their heads around the massive, immortal, and trans-temporal nature of the Collective.

To that end, I started doodling up this quasi-fanficcy rewrite of Star Trek Voyager. It's basically what I would've done as a writer involved with the franchise. It's not a "real" fanfic, so much as an outline, but it's as done as I'll ever make it, so enjoy.


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Okay, so, Voyager ends up in the Delta Quadrant, S1 & 2 proceed as usual. The only difference is that, in Janeway's quarters, there is an antique duelling pistol (a family heirloom).

Late in S2, we encounter a primitive race who only recently discovered warp drive, as a gift from their "gods." We learn that the gods are technologically advanced. We also learn that some cataclysm wiped out an older high-tech civilization on their world, resulting in a centuries-long dark age before they rediscovered spaceflight. Legends refer to the event as the "Harvest."

Later (early S3), we encounter another race of worshippers (fairly high-tech ones) who've been seeded here from an Alpha Quadrant planet (we recognize the race; they're Klingons, or Andorians, or something). Chakotay starts speculating about the gods being the Preservers (from TOS). We also learn that the gods enter this area from beyond the Necrid Expanse (a huge pinkish nebula that bars Voyager's path through the Delta Quadrant).

After passing through the Expanse, we find a world with its surface cratered and stripped away, and ragged groups of survivors scavenging for whatever they can find. The Borg have been here.

Chakotay's encounter with Riley's ex-Borg colony ("Unity") appears as-filmed, and introduces the Borg Cooperative. We see the Borg Interlink being used for good, while the members each retain their individuality, and can "log out" whenever they wish.

Finally, Voyager crosses paths with a Borg cube (caught in the act of assimilating a passing starship), and barely escapes assimilation.

We encounter one more planet of worshippers, rich with high technology. They are celebrating a milestone, the dawn of their calendar's 30th century (they too were seeded here from another world by the gods after a cataclysm wiped out this planet). They have warp-catapult technology, and offer to help Voyager along its way. As Voyager prepares to leave, the Borg arrive and begin assimilating the place --the worshippers blame Voyager for turning their gods against them. Voyager escapes as the Borg begin carving up the planet.

The Borg open a portal to fluidic space, and get sucked into a war with Species 8472. They require Voyager's help, and the two-parter "Scorpion" happens as-filmed. Unit Seven of Nine is partitioned from the Collective --effectively becoming an incarnation of the Borg Queen: a figurehead used to interact with Voyager's crew. The Borg's sudden but inevitable betrayal gets the other Nine destroyed, and 7/9 becomes separated from the Collective. Janeway makes it her goal to restore Seven's humanity.

Seven's early episodes (and Kes' departure) happen as-filmed, with the drone seeking to resist her "assimilation" into Voyager's collective.

Voyager finds a crippled cube, and begins adapting Borg technology to their own. This leads to refitting astrometrics with much sharper scanner resolution.

After using a Hirogen comm relay to briefly re-establish contact with the Alpha Quadrant ("Message in a Bottle"), Voyager begins integrating Hirogen transmission equipment, boosting communication and transporter range.

Voyager has a variety of passing encounters with Borg craft spotted at extreme sensor range (but no outright attacks; Voyager avoids them, like a mouse tiptoeing around dinosaurs). We encounter another world of worshippers, and Seven confirms that they were seeded by the Borg. They are "crops," their technologies and society cultivated until they reach an advanced level of development. They are then assimilated, and the survivors left to rebuild. The rebuilding culture often advances in new and unpredictable directions, until the Borg return, continuing the cycle. The process takes millennia, but the Collective is patient. What is time to an Immortal?

The Hirogen turn out to be survivors from a fallen crop race; their world was assimilated millennia ago, and they exist now as nomadic hunters. Their development has reached a plateau, and they will evolve no further until they rebuild a stable society.

An encounter with the Dauntless almost gets Voyager assimilated, until the ship is revealed as the last relic of a highly-advanced "crop" race. Voyager escapes, but the Dauntless is assimilated ("Hope And Fear"). Thanks to Seven's quick thinking, Voyager also manages to harvest small examples of Dauntless' technology (slipstream and holographic control panels).

In S5, after the events of "Drone" highlight the Collective's seductive qualities (with the 29th-century borg hybrid), Seven begins experimenting with civillian clothing to express her growing individuality. (The producers hire a wannabe fashion designer to do Seven's costumes.) The choices are increasingly impractical --skirts, billowy sleeves, jewels, etc, thanks to "assistance" from Seven's new friend Naomi Wildman. Further encounters with Species 8472 show them preparing for war with the Federation.

Voyager experiments with slipstream travel, but only get a few hundred light-years before the slipstream conduits start being overrun with Borg scouts --the Borg are mastering the Dauntless' tech.

(from this point forward, every species Voyager encounters will know of the Borg, either as gods, demons, malevolent aliens, or a "force of nature" that can largely be avoided. People will try to either burn Seven at the stake or bow down and worship her.)

The Borg attack Voyager in "Dark Frontier," momentarily re-assimilating Seven before she can be rescued. The Queen does not appear; Seven knows the Collective's true nature, and does not need the "avatar" --instead, Seven sees a hallucinatory version of herself (this is all in Seven's head as she's assimilated). The Voice reminds Seven of who she really is, and what her true nature will always be (she still has the Interlink in her head --the Borg have been listening to her all this time). After her rescue, Seven's fashion choices become more somber --utilitarian black coveralls. She is still Borg.

This confrontation sets off a new continuing arc; an active feud between Seven's human and Borg natures (and leads to "Infinite Regress" --the voices of assimilated victims start leaking into Seven's mind through her vestigial Interlink). The Doctor finally manages to completely sever the link, and Seven faces an identity crisis.

Around this time, the Doctor/Seven sparkage becomes more obvious. Seven also begins working (platonically) with Chakotay; he's teaching her about spirituality and vision quests (and spirit-guides --hers is Raven, the Trickster). As a result, Seven's development slowly resumes --she realizes that remaining static is not a valid option; Borg or not, she must adapt. Her fashion sense starts trying to find a balance between utilitarian and individual. Just as she's finding her footing (early S6), "Survival Instinct" happens, and she has to deal with more Borg refugees.

Borg technology results in the creation of Hazard Armour and the Infinity-Modulator (seen in the Elite Force video game). The Hazard Suits use modified Borg nanoprobes to bolster the wearer's endurance (reducing the effects of otherwise life-threatening injuries), while the I-Mod negates the ability of Borg drones to adapt their personal shielding. This allows Voyager to defend itself when the Collective reappears.

Voyager awakens the Vaudwaar ("Dragon's Teeth"), and barely escapes. Seven identifies the Vaudwaar as former "crops" --their subspace conduits are precursers to the Borg transwarp corridors.

A heavily-damaged Overlooker ship appeals to Voyager for assistance; they've been attacked and dragged far from their space by a Borg cube. Voyager assists them, gaining Overlooker technology in return. This technology (added to what they already have from the Hirogen) allows them to respond to Operation Pathfinder, re-establishing regular contact with Starfleet.

Voyager discovers a group of abandoned teenage drones ("Collective") and they join Seven (including Icheb and Mizotte). Under Seven's tutelage, they start to regain their individuality, and the Doctor confirms the absence of any Interlink. Eventually ("Child's Play"), they locate Icheb's homeworld --a recently-assimilated crop world. Icheb is revealed as their "Typhoid Mary," with a Borg-killing virus. He remains with Voyager, robbing his parents of their vengeance, and forcing them to look forward and rebuild.

While on a vision quest, Seven discovers the presence of a secondary Interlink, which leads her to "Unimatrix Zero." The two-parter plays out more like The Matrix in this version, with the Collective sending identical "agents" into Unimatrix Zero to locate and destroy the "Lucids." Voyager intervenes, but all looks lost until Seven finds a way to propagate the Unimatrix Zero code (though the Collective instantly counters), managing to free/isolate a single sphere-ship (which the Collective then isolates so the virus can go no further), even though the rest of Unimatrix Zero is destroyed.

Janeway, Tuvok, and Torres allow themselves to be assimilated to assist Seven. They all escape (against all possible odds), but they (like Jean-Luc Picard) find that the Collective isn't so easy to leave. They will hear the whispers in the back of their minds for the rest of their lives (we'll see a lot of Janeway/Tuvok/Torres scenes as they each try to support each other through the PTS).

Season 7 is where the major changes happen. This plays out as a subplot through most of the episodes:

Icheb's sacrifice of his cortical node serves as a reminder that Seven will never be fully human --the technology is a part of her. "Body and Soul" signals a major change in the Seven/Doctor relationship; the subtext has now become text, and they'll have to deal with it. They're still trying to figure out if there is a "they" when:

Voyager reaches the Borg transwarp hub midway through the season, and Janeway decides not to risk it. When Chakotay calls her on it (privately), she explains what she's realized; all their encounters with the Borg, all the near-misses and miraculous escapes --the Borg wanted them to get away. By now, Voyager incorporates Borg tech, Hirogen, Vidiian, Vaudwaar, Overlooker, and any other they've been able to pick up. When they get back to the Federation, what does Chakotay think will happen? Voyager will be decommissioned, the technology they've. . . assimilated will be studied, and incorporated into Starfleet's, and from there to the Klingons, the Romulans, and all their neighbours. At which point the Borg will appear and assimilate them all. They aren't survivors. They're a fatted calf.

Chakotay realizes what this means; Voyager can never go home. If they do, it'll spell the end of the Federation. They resolve to keep this from the crew, to keep morale up.

As Voyager tries to continue on its course, it comes under frequent attack from the Borg. Now they're pulling out all the stops, and Voyager starts taking serious damage --including deaths and assimilations among the crew. Chakotay realizes that they're being herded; their every escape cut off, the Borg want them to use the transwarp hub. During a particularly brutal attack, the Borg capture an I-Mod --they will study it and adapt. The I-Mod technology is now useless.

Finally, Janeway reveals her epiphany to the crew, and trumps the Collective. They allow themselves to be herded into the nebula, but instead of using the transwarp nexus, they destroy it. The entire crew agrees that it's worth it; they're sacrificing themselves for the Federation.

Voyager ends up crippled as the Borg slowly move through the ship, assimilating the crew one by one. Seven embarks on one final vision quest, then allows herself to be assimilated (despite the Doctor's attempts to protect her). We get another look inside the Collective (a featureless mental landscape), except this time, Raven is there with her.

The Borg continue their march through Voyager, until Janeway is the last survivor. They've cut off the self-destruct, and Janeway reaches the Bridge to find it converted into a throne room --now we see the Queen for the first time. The Queen/Collective & Janeway have their confrontation, and Janeway surprises the Queen with her antique pistol. Borg forcefields aren't bulletproof, and the Queen goes down with a bullethole in her forehead.

Janeway breathes a wobbly sigh before a drone steps out of its alcove, continuing the Queen's dialogue mid-sentence. The Collective can not die. For it is Legion. With that, Janeway is finally assimilated.

Some time later, over Earth, a Borg cube emerges from transwarp, disgorges Voyager, and departs. Aboard, the crew wakes up, confused but unharmed. They're all okay, except for one: Seven of Nine is nowhere to be found. She did however leave behind a message.

She (via hologram) thanks Captain Janeway and the crew for all that they've done. Seven of Nine was originally part of the trap; the only reason she was partitioned and left to live on Voyager was to put her in position as a "sleeper," to reactivate when Voyager reached home. The Collective did not anticipate Janeway's. . . compassion. She brought Seven into a world she would never have known, and Seven thanks her for that, but it was a wasted effort. Seven of Nine could never be human, but Captain Janeway allowed her to become. . . something. Although the being she knew as Seven of Nine no longer exists, the Borg are immortal and eternal. They can never be destroyed, but they can. . . adapt. Unimatrix Zero has been reinstated, with the code added to every drone. Perhaps, in time, Voyager's legacy will allow the Collective to truly evolve.

Far away, in the Delta Quadrant, the "Borg Cooperative" colony (from S3) falls into shadow as a cube blots out the sun. Riley & her companions grab slug-throwers and make ready to defend themselves from the onslaught of drones. Transporter effects flare to life, and among them the camera singles one out. The Borg Queen, as played by Jeri Ryan. . .

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Friday, November 11, 2005 1:50 PM

CECIL


Very cool. Wow, you reminded so much of what happened with the season, and I could actually invision some of the things you stated. Pretty cool.

MAL
"Nice shot."
JAYNE
(slurred)
"I was aiming for his head"

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Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:47 PM

REGINAROADIE


I like whenever I see a VOYAGER thread appear here. Of all the spin-offs, VOYAGER was the one that I liked the most, since I feel it was closest in spirit to the original STAR TREK. Plus, I always rate the quality of a TREK series by it's doctor. And The Doctor is, IMHO, the best doc since Bones. Dr. Crusher I always thought was a bit cold.

Admittedly, I only payed attention to the show from 4-7, since I thought the show took a turn for the better with the addition of 7 of 9. I don't see it as the severely flawed show that everyone else makes it out to be. Mainly because I've only seen maybe about a quarter of all the eps. Definitly the best 1/4. One of my fave episodes was "The Gift". I thought seeing this Borg cut off from The Collective was like watching a junkie go through withdrawl. And I loved the delivery of that one line. "Where are the others, I can't hear them." It's the first real sign of emotion she's shown, and it's chilling.

But to balance it out, the show has a great sense of humor to it, on par with FIREFLY itself. "Message in a Bottle" was a great fish-out-of-water ego clash between two EMH's during a sneak Romulan attack, and any of the "Captain Proton" holographic sims of Tom Paris's are funny as hell.

"Look around you, Doc. This is history. This is how the 20th century saw the future."

"Maybe you should teach a course at Starfleet. Satan's Robots and Historical Overview."

About your ideas. Interesting, but a bit too dark I feel for the Star Trek verse.

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Monday, November 14, 2005 8:40 AM

CYBERSNARK


Oh, I liked Voyager plenty too. And I actually think Seven was a great character.

"Fun will now commence."

It's just that I'm a great fan of the Borg, and dislike how Voyager reduced them from a monolithic Collective hive-mind (beyond such concepts as "good" and "evil") to an army of slaves controlled by an Evil leader. That and the series finale, which seemed to have been taken over by pod-people (Janeway questioning her own abilities? Chakotay as the horny teenager? Seven as the emotional schoolgirl?).

Voyager had a lot going for it (great characters, great fun, great concept, good ongoing continuity, and one of my favourite captains), I just don't really feel it lived up to all it could.

Have you been following the post-finale novels, with Captain Chakotay (after Christie Golden spends the first book mostly undoing the finale's guillotine effect)?

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Monday, November 14, 2005 8:44 AM

REGINAROADIE


I never tried to breach any of the TREK books. I think there has to be a full library of these books. And I never know what's canon, what's elaborate fanfic, and which fit's into which alternate verse.

Although, the idea of reading about what happens after VOYAGER has returned home always intrigued me. I'm always interested in what happens after the fact. The transition period between the end of a journey and the establishment of a new life.

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"YES!!!I'm a man posessed by many demons....Polite demons that would open the door for a lady carrying too many parcels...BUT DEMONS NONETHELESS!!!! Yes. I have walked along the path of evil many times, it's a twisting, curving path that..actually leads to a charming plot garden, BUT BEYOND THAT EVIL!!!"

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Monday, November 14, 2005 9:40 AM

HARTMEISTER


I really didn't like the series that much but I agree that a greater exploration of the Borg would have made it a good addition.

The purpose of Star Trek though was to use aliens as a way to show that even with substantially different exteriors, that we shouldn't judge people by their exteriors. Many people who were involved with the show thought this was the sci-fi version of integrating television.

That is why aliens often go with a thud on other sci-fi shows because you have to keep pushing that envelope of how different can you make that alien race to make it seem alien. At some point (like the Borg) you have to say hey that's not human and I'm not terribly interested.

That's why I like Firefly. Unlike Star Trek it doesn't worry about the ramifications about the No. 2 being a black female. We just accept that she was Mal's war buddy and she trusts him. Firefly doesn't seem to have an agenda other than virtues and vices haven't substantially changed in five hundred years. We still have bad governments that get into power and do horrible things. We have good people who even with the bad governments around try to do the right thing. No alien race is going to save us and give us some technology that will wipe out poverty and unite us.

Its really about a guy with a boat who is trying to keep one step ahead of bad government.

As much as we villainous opinion about Blue Sun, Blue Sun is run by humans. And as humans they have choices. Or maybe that is what is truly evil, that we have created an living entities (corporations) made by humans but who have no soul. How many times do we here that there is a layoff but with a sort of apology saying that they had to do it in the best interest of their stockholders. It's OK to do an immoral act, just as long as I do it the name of somebody that I don't really don't know or respect but does sign my paycheck.

If there is one thing I like about the movie "Serenity" is that we find out the Alliance has a parliament and it is not just token, it has real power.

For people in the US, I think that is something that we have ask ourselves today is whether our Republic is eventually turning down a dark path. Most of our representatives can not loose their office. Our Chief Executive says that torture is acceptable in certain circumstances. But in reality every administration for quite sometime has been introducing subtle things which either eliminates free discussion about certain topics which really doesn't seem to change when the different party comes into power. We now label people with the terms fascist, liberal, socialist, conservative or fundamentalist and we can correspondingly dismiss their arguments when one of their it falls into that label "ooh, she's a liberal" or "he's a fascist". You identify people by what kind of news they watch (Network, PBS, CNN, Fox) as much as anything else.

Sorry for the rant...

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Monday, November 14, 2005 12:09 PM

CHRISISALL


That was really good! The 7 of 9 holo at the end was perfect. I gave up on Voyager precisely for it's ridiculous Borg nonsense, but I wouldn't have if it were even a little more like what you wrote.

So, you're not a writer in Hollywood because...

Chrisisall

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Monday, November 14, 2005 12:21 PM

BROWNTROUSERS


My sister liked voyager. In fact, she liked any star trek. I'm pretty sure she's seen just about every episode of Deep Space Nine, Voyager and The Next Generation.

As for me, i watched the first few seasons of Enterprise, but no other star treks appealed to me that much. On the other hand, they probably would have if i had actually sat down and watched them

-------Huge Fan of:---------
Firefly
Serenity
Farscape
Andromeda (Early Seasons)

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Monday, November 14, 2005 12:28 PM

CHRISISALL


Just curious, BT, when do you think Andromeda actually hurled itself over Jaws?

That's Chrisisall for 'jumping the shark'

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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:25 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I never tried to breach any of the TREK books. I think there has to be a full library of these books. And I never know what's canon, what's elaborate fanfic, and which fit's into which alternate verse.

Although, the idea of reading about what happens after VOYAGER has returned home always intrigued me. I'm always interested in what happens after the fact. The transition period between the end of a journey and the establishment of a new life.

Pocket Books, as of a few years ago (shortly after DS9's finale, and inspired by the critical success of the Dominion War arc) started reorganizing their Star Trek line; it's no longer a bunch of self-contained "novel-sized fanfics." They're pulling a "Star Wars," with actual between-books continuity and a timeline. The best part of the whole "post-TV series" thing is there's no reset button; folks evolve, change, and die. Also, there's a bunch of "non-series" books out now, unrelated to any particular TV series (Peter David's New Frontiers line, our own KRAD's I.K.S. Gorkon series, the S.C.E. E-books/novels, Articles of the Federation --Star Trek's answer to The West Wing, again by KRAD. . .)

There're currently only four post-Endgame Voyager books: Homecoming, The Farther Shore, Spirit Walk 1: Old Wounds, and Spirit Walk 2: Enemy of my Enemy, all by Christie Golden (which kinda explains why there's just four, but also accounts for the continuing storyline). The first two are the official wrap-up (Voyager's homecoming & retrofit, the amnesty hearings for the Maquis crew, Janeway's promotion to the admiralty, Paris & Torres' retirement to raise their daughter, Paris' reconciliation with his father, the fallout from "Endgame," Janeway's recommissioning Voyager, etc), but the new crew doesn't fully hit its stride until the end of the Spirit Walk arc (Chakotay's new first officer doesn't really work out, so they have to get a new one).

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
So, you're not a writer in Hollywood because...


Well, I'm stuck in small-town Canada for one. I do have hopes of making my way to Toronto (home of about 45% of Canada's entertainment industry) to try to make my mark in TV. (More than a bit inspired by Joss; I'm more interested in the long-haul character development than in the bigger-yet-more-compressed scale of movies, much as I loved Serenity.)

*off to work on my ongoing first script*

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Monday, November 21, 2005 12:16 PM

CITIZEN


That's great!

I know what you mean about the Borg, I mean they went from a race that nearly wiped out the Federation with one ship to a bunch of losers who could talk big but got spanked at every turn ...



More insane ramblings by the people who brought

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Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:24 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:


I know what you mean about the Borg, I mean they went from a race that nearly wiped out the Federation with one ship to a bunch of losers who could talk big but got spanked at every turn ...


Now that you've had a little time to consider your preposturous remark here, do you take it back, or get assimilated???

Chrisisall is futile

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Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:35 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
I'm stuck in small-town Canada for one. I do have hopes of making my way to Toronto (home of about 45% of Canada's entertainment industry) to try to make my mark in TV.

Any progress there, C?
I fancy myself writing and illustrating a graphic novel, but am having a hard time getting off my arse to do it (Comic book block).

Creative brother Browncoat Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:04 PM

CITIZEN


What are they going to do? Attack me with their supirior ships that explode if you hit them with a paper dart at the central tachyon plexus?

Bring it on you not-quite hive mind nancy-borgs.



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Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:25 PM

ARCADIA


I must say, I like your season seven a LOT better than the one that was actually written. It is far more bleak, and, well, I like bleak. And I do like that Seven would have ended up a borg again, but changed. I can just imagine how everyone you HATE it though: "What? Seven saved the world! I hate that byatch. She's only on the show because of her boobs, anyway". We'll ignore the fact that Ryan, Mulgre, and Picardo were the best actors on the show, without a doubt. Yeah. Boobs.

I was attrached to Voyager for two reasons. Reason number one was Janeway. What can I say? I was eightish when the show started, and I was thrilled that there was a girl captain. The second was that they were stranded in the Delta quadrent. I like this more because it meant they were on their own and therefore forced to figure everything out for themselves, and if there were in trouble TOO BAD they just had a deal with it, by themselves, no back up. And, to make it worse, they were only an intrepid class ship. They were tiny (but also way better looking) than the enterprise ships.

So... hmm... I'd never really thought of it this way before, but I guess one of the reason's I was alway attracked to Voyager's story was because fate really stepped on them. Their situation completley sucked.

Hmm... sound like any other science fiction show? Nah...

That siad, Voyager had its flawed. I think it suffered from having great potential, and then never quite using it to the fullest. The characters could have been excellent, and sometimes they were, but all too often they were forgoten about. The borg, by the end, were just a joke.

Here are some things I would have changed about voyager:
* More charact balance. Neelix, he was on the cast... right? I think he gets the award for most often forgotten about, but I always felt like Tuvok and Chakotay got the short end of the stick, too. All these characters cam from such interesting places, and could have been developed more.
* There would have never been the borg kids. I like Imperfection a lot, and the little tidbits with Mizroti (the girl one -- that's her name right?) making an ant colony for a science project and all, but, well, I think they cheapened the Borg. Can't put my finger on why, but they did. So, bye0bye borg orphans.
* Kes would have never come back. Ever. Because the episode were she did return sucked, and it killed her character.
* They wouldn't have had any mysteriously reappearing shuttles.
* Also, I would have kept a notebook around somewhere with the word TIMELINE written on the cover written in big letters. Inside, I would have catalogued things that happened, so later I would know when they happened.
* I don't think Janeway would ever have been allowed to take on the borg without extreme consequences. Towards the end of the show, it all became far too easy. No one really getting hurt in Dark Frontier? Hmm. No. There would be carnage. Janeway would have not once actually hurt the borg. She could maybe stick her tongue at them while running awya, but that is only because she's Janeway and therefore a force of nature. Everyone else would run with their tails between their legs whenever the word "collective" was implied.
* In general, I would have liked the show to be darker. During season 3+ they would have really started feeling the effects of their resources becoming more and more diminished, their crew becoming more and more mostly dead, and so on and so forth. Basically, they would have NEVER been as comfortable as they were. Little things like no holodeck because it is an energy waster.

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Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:24 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:

Bring it on you not-quite hive mind nancy-borgs.


Nancy-Borgs. That's classic.
lol, I even heard it in Spike's voice.

Chrisisall, Voyager fan regardless

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Friday, June 16, 2006 6:36 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Arcadia:
Basically, they would have NEVER been as comfortable as they were. Little things like no holodeck because it is an energy waster.


But without Voyager and Trek in general, our appreciation of the grit and realism of FF might not be as great, eh?

Chrisisall, rushing off to his holo-deck

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Friday, September 8, 2006 7:17 AM

CYBERSNARK


Bumped in honour of the 40th Anniversary of the franchise.

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Friday, September 8, 2006 7:31 AM

CHRISISALL


Voyager...1/4 greatness, 1/4 good, 1/2 meh.

But I'm still a fan Chrisisall

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