Dark Angel's vision of the future ... by Zoot

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Dark Angel's vision of the future ...

POSTED BY: ZOOT
UPDATED: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:23
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Friday, September 9, 2005 4:29 AM

After our brief insight into how people in the first world react when faced with disaster and the horrific scenes we saw in New Orleans, am I right to think the image of a future post-pulse American in DA is perhaps a little too optimistic to be realistic??

Sure there’s corruption and it's damn hard to find a chicken worth eating, but people don’t seem to go around randomly shooting each other for no apparent reason …

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Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm
armed.

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Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:44 AM

CHRISISALL

Zoot, you're obviously angry, just as I am. The DA world is shown to us after the pulse. Watch 'Haven' again to get a description of the land at the moment of it's collapse; it sounds a lot like NO right about now, complete with killings and hysteria.

Chrisisall, outraged transgenic

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:39 PM

CHRISISALL

OMG Zoot! AS I was going to sleep last night I suddenly thought of something weird.
New Orleans is now a lot like Terminal City....
*cue Twilight Zoney music*

Bad transgenic dreams Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:10 PM

JACQUI

I've just started rewatching DA again (you got me Chrisisall) and the comparison of NO and post pulse America hit me, too.

Eerie, because it seems like it's completely possible.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:20 PM

CHRISISALL

That's what makes DA so good, it's TOTALLY possible- the collapse ( and not a total, a partial and realistic) of the world economic infrastructure, I mean (I just hope there are no Al-Queda Dark Angel fans gettin' an idea out there...)

Plain old zeroes Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:40 PM

JACQUI

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
That's what makes DA so good, it's TOTALLY possible-

Yeah, until she rides a freakin' hoverdrone... that one scene jars in my head even after all this time.

But aside from that one bit of cheese... I always felt the DA world was possible.

From what I recall, wasn't it said in the pilot that it was mainly the US that had been hit by the pulse? That it was the US that was turned into yet another third world country?

I always figured that the inference there was that the rest of the world remained pretty much as it was.

(to which the Australian in me gloats 'exchange rate *this* beeyotch', but I digress).

This rings true for me, because global devastation would be too absolute to continue as the DA world did. But a nation wide devastation, with access to an outside richer world (but only for those powerful and rich enough as it is to get there) and the sources it could provide, makes it possible.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:40 PM

CHRISISALL

Zoot, if the U.S. were to fall into such a depression, a military presence might need to be put in place (temporarily) to quell disorder, problem is, temporary absolute control invites continuation to ensure stability. Conspiracy Theorists, such as myself, get REAL antsy when we see things like the Patriot Act come into play, it makes the future as envisioned by DA that much more possible, however unlikely.

Wary transgenic Chrisisall 524

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:51 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:

From what I recall, wasn't it said in the pilot that it was mainly the US that had been hit by the pulse? That it was the US that was turned into yet another third world country?

I was just assuming that the whole world economy would be affected, not all other countries woud see nearly the decline of the U.S., but most would feel some effects. And yeah, the rich would still stay rich.

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Yeah, until she rides a freakin' hoverdrone... that one scene jars in my head even after all this time.

Hey, they showed it losing altitude from the moment her weight's on it...she even accidently careens off a police car on the way into Jam Poney, what more do ya want? (okay, a slightly more realistic looking effect would've been nice, but I don't see why it couldn't be done...it was a TV budget, gorram it!)

Did I sway you w/that?

Maybe?

Well, I bought it Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:17 PM

DROCCULARI

The first thing that hooked me on the show was Max's opening voice over in the pilot when she says something like, "They call it a depression, but people don't seem all that depressed." It seemed to be a very honest observation from someone who had grown up in that post pulse world. It also rang true with the feel of stories my parents told about life during the depression when they were teenagers.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:40 PM

GUNRUNNER

Oh that EMP stuff was such bull. To create such an EMP to nock out the entire US would require a massive nuke or a bunch of MIRVs (Talking one or more for every city), which means a big launch vehicle. You don’t just build an ICBM and not get noticed. You try to build something like that you’re going to visited by men in black pajamas armed with MP-5s and C-4, that’s assuming the military doesn’t just blow you away with smart bombs.

And besides computer systems especially military/government ones are shield from EMP. Also old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP.

If it did happen lots of people would panic and there would be a bunch of junk computers but the Government would be basically intact and rebuilding would be easy. With a Hurricane lots of stuff is destroyed but with an EMP everything is more or less intact- just a little dark.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:29 PM

ZOOT

I’m so with Jacqui re the hover drone thing – apart from anything else they never seem to be the same size twice and if they really can detect individuals to kill from anywhere in the city, why have the police just not retired completely????

Plus I too thought the pulse had mostly hit the US – so escaping to Canada would be a fairly sensible thing to do – Plus I’m sure at some point someone says something about Europe intimating that its not so bad off – I’ll have to rewatch to check …

I kinda see it as American having become the equivalent of India in the 60s and 70s or various bits of South America today – with beaten up cars and no electricity etc … I always imagined the rest of the world watching and offering a bit of aid, which would be like a band aid to cover 80% burns and then gloating ever so slightly in a schadenfreude sorta way …

And yes the fact that its so believable (apart fromt eh genetic experiments and wierd lizard men bits) is what gives it its edge ...

Thinking aloud: Maybe that’s why the second series lost its way a bit … ‘cos introducing the snake cult and all those weird and wonderful hybrids just made to so much less believable … There’s only so much disbelief anyone of us can suspend at any one time …

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Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:33 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by GunRunner:
Oh that EMP stuff was such bull.

By extention are you saying the end of Escape From LA is impossible???!
And how do you shield financial districts from emp?
And how do you know the terrorists didn't take over a base w/a launching system?
And how do you know it wasn't a cluster nuke that spread the emp over half the country?
And how do you know it wasn't financed by SPECTRE?

Your arguments are fallacious and hollow, my friend.
You are being a silly hump.

Chrisisall, who knowsitall

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Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:38 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Zoot:

Thinking aloud: Maybe that’s why the second series lost its way a bit … ‘cos introducing the snake cult and all those weird and wonderful hybrids just made to so much less believable

I would have liked it if they stayed w/the tone of the first series (season, for the Yanks), but then we would have no 'Freak Nation'....
Ah well, it's what we have.

I still love it!

Max kicks ASS!!!!Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:32 PM

GUNRUNNER

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GunRunner:
Oh that EMP stuff was such bull.
By extention are you saying the end of Escape From LA is impossible???!

Never seen it so can't comment

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And how do you shield financial districts from emp?

By spreading out of the system across the globe, which is quite common among major businesses and stock markets today.

Quote:
And how do you know the terrorists didn't take over a base w/a launching system?

Without authorization by the executive branch the missiles will not fly. Every ICBM in the arsenals of the US and Russian (and probably French, the UK, PRC, India, Pakistan ETC) has a safety package that will destroy the missile unless it has proper launch authorization. This is what probably happened to the K-129. Of course you can try getting a group of your buddies together and invade King’s Bay to see how feasible it is.

Quote:
And how do you know it wasn't a cluster nuke that spread the emp over half the country?

Uhhh do you know what a MIRV is? I mentioned them in my other post and it would require several missiles or one massive Saturn type rocket. And rockets don’t grow on trees, you can’t build one covertly and you need a small err make that large army to capture one.

Quote:
And how do you know it wasn't financed by SPECTRE?

James Bond didn't stop it.

Quote:
Your arguments are falacious and hollow, my friend.
You are being a silly hump.

Chrisisall, who knowsitall

Actualy my arguments are based on facts... cold dark scary facts people have died for or because.

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Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:39 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I reply to this post 6 days after it first hit the board. Power has come on in down town New Orleans, almost a week faster than most expected. The French Quarter is looking to open this weekend, but I'd suspect on a much limited fashion. Point is, there's tons of stuff to do and months of repair work ahead, but look for most of the dire predictions about N.O. never rebuilding or it taking YEARS to recover to be greatly exaggerated.

Laissez Les Bon Temps Rouler, y'all!

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:50 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by GunRunner:

Actualy my arguments are based on facts... cold dark scary facts people have died for or because.

You are ignoring the slightly, remotely possible because of mere FACTS?

( I don't care,
I'll disagree,
'cause you can't take
Dark Angel from me.)

You gotta write a spy book, though Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:53 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
look for most of the dire predictions about N.O. never rebuilding or it taking YEARS to recover to be greatly exaggerated.

Happy news, indeed!
But they're gonna need a paint job and a s**tload of screen doors.

Powell Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Happy news, indeed!
But they're gonna need a paint job and a s**tload of screen doors.

Powell Chrisisall

HomeDepot, to the rescue!!!

Mississippi was hit hardest, as there are communities which simply are no longer in existance. I feel for all those folks. Seems none were spared the misery. But, much like afte Camille, things will return to some sense of order down there.

Life finds a way.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:52 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Mississippi was hit hardest, as there are communities which simply are no longer in existance.

I'm hardpressed to even imagine if I had lived down there. Makes me feel lucky about having to worry about paying bills....

Chrisisall

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Friday, September 16, 2005 4:59 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

...and we will call it...this land...

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Friday, September 16, 2005 10:49 AM

CHRISISALL

Hmm...gearing up for the BDM, are we?

BTW, it's been said that the hoverdrone riding in Freak Nation was dumb, but I LIKED it!! I thought it was cool!!!
Where do you stand on that? Cool, dumb, or no opinion?

Chrisisall, who buys almost anything Max does

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Monday, September 19, 2005 3:06 AM

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Hmm. I suppose if I turn my brain off it's actually pretty cool. Since my brain's often switched off that shouldn't be a problem.

Also - WOOHOO! Only 18 days to go! (For me anyway!)

Definitely Cool :) says FLF

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Monday, September 19, 2005 3:43 AM

JACQUI

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hmm...gearing up for the BDM, are we?

BTW, it's been said that the hoverdrone riding in Freak Nation was dumb, but I LIKED it!! I thought it was cool!!!
Where do you stand on that? Cool, dumb, or no opinion?

Chrisisall, who buys almost anything Max does

I can accept just about anything she does. I'm all up for defending her if she wants to flash underage boys to get out of being held prisoner... you know... whatever... but... riding that hoverdrone was cheesy and really killed that moment in an otherwise GREAT episode.

Of *course* we're all gearing up for the BDM... 10 DAYS, oooooooooh.

ps... in case you're interested... an up to "Prodigy" in my rewatching of the series.

This was a great episode when I first watched it... but by the end of the 1st season it really stuck out in my head. Seriously. They made such a big thing about her meeting Lydecker while being held hostage... and then later on he's all "I made you out of my dead wife's DNA and you have her eyes, that's why I held your hand when you were sick that night" and gets all creepy on her.

So now the episode bugs me, 'cause WHY didn't he recognise his beloved wife's eyes THEN, when he did when she was a kid and then after when he has her in the hotel room?

Momentary lapse? Hmmm?

Fanwank *that* Chrisisall.

And don't do the "he *knew* it was her, he was just playin' with her head with all that "all my kids are flawed" mind f**ing. 'Cause we all know that at this point Lydecker would have done *anything* to exploit tactical advantage over those kids and knwoing she was right there next to him would have made him blow his stack.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

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Monday, September 19, 2005 3:50 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

As a general rule I would caution about assigning too much realism to a tv show, and that includes the news, unfortunately. Real life disasters are inherently unpredictable, and our understanding of them is always very limited, especially early on.

The EMP thing is a little overdone. First of all, why would you do it anyway? If you had a 80 Mt warhead on a long range ICBM, why would you waste it on such a limited assault? Setting aside for a moment the unlikelihood that a terrorist organization is going to get such a weapon, it is far more likely, I think, that they would simply use as it was designed to be use, which would far, far more devastating.

Knock of wood.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

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Monday, September 19, 2005 10:17 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you had a 80 Mt warhead on a long range ICBM, why would you waste it on such a limited assault?

They were trying to do more damage, they just set it wrong and it went off too high (moron terrorists).

Chrisisallthefanwanker

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Monday, September 19, 2005 10:23 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:

So now the episode bugs me, 'cause WHY didn't he recognise his beloved wife's eyes THEN, when he did when she was a kid and then after when he has her in the hotel room?

If you'll remember, Miss Zoot, they made a point of Donald's eyes not being what they used to, if he doesn't wear his glasses (which he doesn't like to), and he's not wearing contacts, his vision ain't so good. He was puttin' 'em on and off in that ep. His eyes were under some strain.
*Turns away quietly, with the air of having said something important*
Yeah, that's it.

Chrisisalloneggshells

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