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POSTED BY: HAKEN
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Monday, June 29, 2009 9:32 AM

KBACHELDER


Quote:

Originally posted by Haken:

I'll try and get caught up as soon as I can and post an update.




I'll be finalizing the news segment for the next Signal podcast in the next 24 hours and we'd be glad to mention what's going on if you want to send me an update on where things stand.

Be glad to heighten awareness of this...just need more details.

My email address is listed on the Signal's crew page...

http://crew.serenityfirefly.com


Take care,

Kevin

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Monday, June 29, 2009 9:35 AM

WHIMSICALNBRAINPAN


Haken I really appreciate all you do for us.

Just let us know what needs to be done and you know we'll do it.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."
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http://www.myspace.com/whimsicalnbrainpan
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Monday, June 29, 2009 1:17 PM

SAMEERTIA


Okay... read up. Did a little research.

Haken, add me to the number of people in California who will gladly help set up a mainland entity to keep the Amazon money coming in.

There have been a number of great ideas posted here, and as a certain Bard once sang, Browncoats carry greenbacks. And you know we'll do whatever we have to in order to keep FireflyFans.Net up and running.

(I also think a note to the Governor of HI about this from all of us wouldn't go amiss...) Not pissed off notes! Anger will get us no where... but reasonable, well-written notes mentioning the previous Supreme Court ruling, and whatnot. That kind of thing may not go amiss.

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Monday, June 29, 2009 9:48 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by SameErtia:
Okay... read up. Did a little research.

Haken, add me to the number of people in California who will gladly help set up a mainland entity to keep the Amazon money coming in.



Shiny offered to do the same. Not quite sure how I can go about doing that without getting into tax trouble and also affecting those who help me with the same tax issues.

I've been paying an income tax on all my earnings since I signed up with Amazon when the site first started.

I basically get a 1099 from Amazon and I pay taxes to both the State and the Federal government on all earnings. The cost of hosting and any other expenditures I have for my sites are also itemized when I file my return.

The Feds and the State both get their share and everything is fine. So, really, this whole sales tax thing just caught me off guard. It feels almost like the State changed the rules all of a sudden and I can't come out ahead even if I follow the rules.

As far as I know at this point, the State and Amazon are both playing a game of chicken. I'm pretty sure the State isn't going to budge. It has bigger problems to deal with than Amazon (like the across the board furloughing of all State employees effective July 1st). Lawsuits are flying around all over the place.

If you want to read about how screwed up we are, we're pretty close to California.

http://tinyurl.com/mg8de5

Regardless, it seems like July 1 is the day that I'm supposed to be cut off. We'll see if Amazon really goes through with it. Will keep you all posted.




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Monday, June 29, 2009 9:58 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Looks like Rhode Island just got hit too.

Quote:


Amazon Drops More Affiliates to Avoid Tax

By GEOFFREY A. FOWLER

Amazon.com Inc. ended its business relationships with marketing affiliates in Rhode Island so the online retailer could avoid collecting sales tax in the state.

Rhode Island’s state legislature recently passed a bill that would force companies to collect sales taxes if they have online-marketing affiliates—businesses that get a sales commission by featuring links to outside e-commerce sites on their own Web sites—in the state.

The Rhode Island termination follows a similar move by Amazon last Friday to end its relationships with affiliates in North Carolina as the state approached passing a similar law. Cash-strapped states across the country have looked at similar legislation to boost revenue. Such a law went into effect in New York last year.

Amazon, based in Seattle, sent an email to its Rhode Island affiliates on Monday saying that it was closing their accounts immediately. “This is a direct result of the unconstitutional tax collection scheme passed by the Rhode Island General Assembly with a veto-proof majority,” said the message.

Amazon spokeswoman Patty Smith said the company took the action now because the Rhode Island bill had passed with veto-proof majorities. “The bill would take effect immediately upon enactment—either the governor’s signature or an override of his veto,” she said.

Amy Kempe, press secretary for Rhode Island Gov. Donald Carcieri said that the governor was still deciding whether or not to sign the budget bill passed by the legislature, and would do so by Wednesday. The state faces a $590 million deficit for the fiscal year starting in July.

Rebecca Madigan, founder of the affiliate trade group Performance Marketing Alliance, estimates there are some 2,000 online affiliates in Rhode Island, who pay about $3 million in state income tax. “We’re seeing small businesses being hit. They are the collateral damage through all of this legislation, which inaccurately classifies affiliate marketers as sales agents” rather than advertising channels, she said.


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Monday, June 29, 2009 10:05 PM

RIVERDANCER


Eep!

Well, we can object the law, and maybe it'll make a difference. That would be the best option, of course.

We could hunt around for, um, other major sites that will pay for advertising without any trouble? Any ideas?

Er... Haken could transfer the site somehow? Or move? Probably not that. Though I bet a drive for relocation funds would be pretty successful. A drive for 'keep the site afloat' funds will too, I'm sure, but that one would be more ongoing. I'll do what I can either way, along with my daily clicking of any paying ads.

...Fire bad, tree pretty?

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Monday, June 29, 2009 10:54 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


We have a chance. From the Performance Marketing Alliance.

Quote:

Update! Governor Lingle has until 7/15 to sign HB 1405. She is announcing on June 30th if she will veto the legislation or not.


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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:08 AM

FILLYGIRL

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."


GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! being sent in triplicat!


Everybody knows, we could get around it, taxing the internet just isn't gonna fly. As soon as they do, people will stop buying.


Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion


Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:11 AM

BRIGLAD


Sent $10 the other day via paypal. Being only employed part time, it's all I could spare at the moment.

B


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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by fillygirl:
GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! being sent in triplicat!


Everybody knows, we could get around it, taxing the internet just isn't gonna fly. As soon as they do, people will stop buying.

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal


Clearly you do not understand the thinking of King Geor.....err, I mean Democrats. You exist to be taxed.

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:37 PM

DANCINGNEKO


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:

Originally posted by fillygirl:
GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! being sent in triplicat!


Everybody knows, we could get around it, taxing the internet just isn't gonna fly. As soon as they do, people will stop buying.

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal



Clearly you do not understand the thinking of King Geor.....err, I mean Democrats. You exist to be taxed.


And yet, it's a Republican governor that's in office that's doing all of this....go figure *shrug*

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:42 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


There is a glimmer of hope. The bill is on the veto list.

Quote:

HB1405 HD2 SD2 CDI RELATING TO THE GENERAL EXCISE TAX.

Veto Explanation: Places Hawaii companies, particularly those involved in on-line website development that make customer referrals to out-of-state businesses, at a competitive disadvantage to mainland and international firms by attempting to tax the activities of these out-of-state businesses. Furthermore, the bill is legally defective in that it violates Article III, Section 14 of the Hawaii State Constitution regarding the subject matter each bill can include within its scope.


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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:44 PM

FILLYGIRL

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."


Looking better.


Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion


Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:45 PM

TRAINBANDIT


Quote:

There is a glimmer of hope. The bill is on the veto list.


When do we know if it was vetoed?

Also, I have another idea, although it may be considered shady-You could charge for a "premium" subscription to this site, like Salon Premium. That doesn't mean that the non-subscribers would not get to participate in all the good stuff - and that is why it may be shady - it just means that those who can pay the, whatever, 15.95 a month or so could, and those that can't, wouldn't, and yet we all get to navigate any damn where we want. Can that be done with impunity? Or, maybe the subscription could be nominal, a small charge like five bucks a month or even a sliding scale, and you could solicit donations as well, which I for one would gladly pay both of.

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:49 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by TrainBandit:
Also, I have another idea, although it may be considered shady-You could charge for a "premium" subscription to this site, like Salon Premium.



I would probably never make the site exclude anyone that way. If anything, I would probably would like to raise enough funds to pay contributing members a small amount to write feature articles for the site. Nothing that will make anyone rich, of course, but at least it'll allow them to buy a lunch or two for their efforts.

Members will donate money and in turn I would use that money to pay for content so that there's something for the members to read. If they're happy with it, I get more donations and the cycle starts all over again. Hopefully it'll all be self sustaining.

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Dancingneko:
Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:

Originally posted by fillygirl:
GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! being sent in triplicat!


Everybody knows, we could get around it, taxing the internet just isn't gonna fly. As soon as they do, people will stop buying.

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!


...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal



Clearly you do not understand the thinking of King Geor.....err, I mean Democrats. You exist to be taxed.


And yet, it's a Republican governor that's in office that's doing all of this....go figure *shrug*


Are you, like, dumb? or Democrat?
Redundancy alert.
The 2 Legislative Houses of Hawaii, both massively Democrap majority, are the clowns passing this legislation. The sole Republican with power to correct the Democrap error can still save the day, despite the most atrocious efforts of the taxaholic liberals. The Republican who can save the day had nothing to do with instigating this lousy legislation. What part of this equation are you clueless about?

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 2:07 AM

BRIGLAD


Considering how many Mb of Fanfic I have on here combined with the necessary bandwidth for people to read it. I'll be willing to throw a little cash now and again to help out.


Brian


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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 9:14 AM

RIVERDANCER


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Clearly you do not understand the thinking of King Geor.....err, I mean Democrats. You exist to be taxed.


Could you not make everything about your ridiculous soapboxing crusade?? This is an issue for all of us and for Haken and for all the Browncoats out there who haven't found the place yet and for all the Browncoats who don't yet know they are Browncoats. Much like the cancellation of the show itself, THIS is not about YOU.

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 9:23 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


The Amazon store on this site has been closed until further notice.

Hopefully I'll be able to re-open the store once the tax bill is vetoed by our Governor.





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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:38 AM

TRAINBANDIT


Quote:

I would probably never make the site exclude anyone that way. If anything, I would probably would like to raise enough funds to pay contributing members a small amount to write feature articles for the site. Nothing that will make anyone rich, of course, but at least it'll allow them to buy a lunch or two for their efforts.

Members will donate money and in turn I would use that money to pay for content so that there's something for the members to read. If they're happy with it, I get more donations and the cycle starts all over again. Hopefully it'll all be self sustaining.



I LOVE that idea! I would do it; I write. Do you have any ideas for articles you would want yet? Keep us posted.

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:00 PM

DANCINGNEKO


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:

Originally posted by Dancingneko:
Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:

Originally posted by fillygirl:
GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! GOOD MOJO! being sent in triplicat!


[Edited portions, 'cause I don't want to flood the thread....]
Clearly you do not understand the thinking of King Geor.....err, I mean Democrats. You exist to be taxed.


And yet, it's a Republican governor that's in office that's doing all of this....go figure *shrug*


Are you, like, dumb? or Democrat?
Redundancy alert.
The 2 Legislative Houses of Hawaii, both massively Democrap majority, are the clowns passing this legislation. The sole Republican with power to correct the Democrap error can still save the day, despite the most atrocious efforts of the taxaholic liberals. The Republican who can save the day had nothing to do with instigating this lousy legislation. What part of this equation are you clueless about?


*shrug* I say I'm looking at the picture from a different point of view...possibly even the bigger picture. This is just one of several solutions that are out there...and this can be vetoed by the govenor. There are others where it's the govenor's solution and the only current recourse is to go to court. Party affiliations mean little to me, the decisions that our elected leaders make mean far more.
Losing FFF.net would suck, yes. Cutting the pay of many of the people who work in Hawaii by ~14% sucks more...while I care about the people on FFF.net, I make no apologies for choosing the people who live in the state over FFF.net.
Also, I made no personal attack on anyone, I simply pointed out a party affiliation. Please be so kind as to show me the same respect.
...
I apologize for the tangent, just wanted to be clear on where I stand...and I'll get off my soapbox.
[ Edited to add ] Being able to have a dedicated staff on hand to write up articles (and get paid cashy-money too) would be nice Haken... *wonders if there are other ways of generating funds on the internet besides the Amazon-type route*

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:12 PM

MSA


HUGS Haken... let us know what more we can do. We'll stay on standby and then we can start the contributions rolling in:)
We appreciate you keeping us flying

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Haken:
Quote:

Originally posted by TrainBandit:
Also, I have another idea, although it may be considered shady-You could charge for a "premium" subscription to this site, like Salon Premium.



I would probably never make the site exclude anyone that way. If anything, I would probably would like to raise enough funds to pay contributing members a small amount to write feature articles for the site. Nothing that will make anyone rich, of course, but at least it'll allow them to buy a lunch or two for their efforts.

Members will donate money and in turn I would use that money to pay for content so that there's something for the members to read. If they're happy with it, I get more donations and the cycle starts all over again. Hopefully it'll all be self sustaining.



Well, while not charging for the site or for access, what about charging for "features" - extra content that your "donations" can buy, like the ability to set someone's posts or avatar on fire, for say, $5 a month? You know, your money buys you extra "points" or some such, and you can use them for vengeance, props, or what have you. You can put flames over someone's avatar (a little animated GIF or some such), or send 'em some love with hearts around their post for a week, or something along those lines. It makes it more personal, more interactive, it's NOT excluding anyone, but if you want to participate, you pay a little bit.

Just an idea. It might make for some, uh, rather "heated" debates, and while I might enjoy lighting a few posters on fire (and I'll mention no names, because I'm an equal-opportunity offender), I have no doubt that I'd be in flames an awful lot of the time!



Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.



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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:37 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Well, while not charging for the site or for access, what about charging for "features" -

Yeah, charge for access to RWED... call it a "fight club" tax...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 2:20 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Governor Linda Lingle has officially announced that she will veto the tax bill (HB 1405 HD2 SD2 CD1). Just waiting for Amazon's next move now.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2009/bills/gm781_.pdf




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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 2:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Well, while not charging for the site or for access, what about charging for "features" -

Yeah, charge for access to RWED... call it a "fight club" tax...


The laughing Chrisisall



NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I mean, yeah, CHARGE for it - but don't call it anything! Remember the first rule of fight club?

But yeah, you might be onto something. Heck, I'd likely pay. I find it a bit cathartic, and a lot less than therapy.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.



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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 2:24 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Oops...spoke too soon. The bill actually goes back to the legislature where they will debate whether or not to overturn the veto.

More waiting....


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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 2:50 PM

MSA


Hang in there..HUGS

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 3:08 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.


Holding the line.

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 4:09 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.




Update: House of Representatives will likely not override the veto because of a technical flaw with the bill.

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 4:59 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.


YEESSS!!!

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:08 PM

STEAMER


*PHEW!!* I haven't said anything 'coz I don't want to jinx you, but this is definitely a step in the shiny direction. If you've screwed around with one bureaucracy, you've screwed around with them all. I know we ain't out of the woods yet, but (wait for it....)

....the woods are the only place we can see a clear path.

Come what may, let me join the chorus of 'We Got Your Back, Hakes.'

You know we lack fakes,
We got your back, Hakes,
Better, worse, we're flyin' still
Till the tax breaks....




Kaylee's batt'ries
Have gone flat
For her - oh, GOD!
We can't KNOW that!
FIREFLY

Captain of the New England Browncoats
http://www.myspace.com/nebrowncoats

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Yay for the Lingle veto.

However, perhaps this may still be an opportunity to develop some more income or other features, instead of waiting until the last minute to think of things, test them out, refine them.

Thinking about the article idea, I conjure several of the posts I have made could have been done in an article format instead. I have not done fanfic. I would volunteer to convert some of my post contributions to articles, and leave them pro bono. Let us know how this would be done, and I'll see if it is compatible with the computers I'm using. I can use the message board here, but not see most pics, not use the chat thingy, and other applications.
These first articles would provide seed for the new section, to test, evaluate, refine the system.

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Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:01 AM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.


I agree. Anything that can help our home be less dependent on the government can only be a good thing.

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Thursday, July 2, 2009 8:52 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

However, perhaps this may still be an opportunity to develop some more income or other features, instead of waiting until the last minute to think of things, test them out, refine them.



I do have the feature section on the site. All feature articles can probably go there. A good place to start too is if someone is willing to report back about their adventures at Comic Con.

I'm willing to improve the site if there's an interest.

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Friday, July 3, 2009 1:54 PM

CHARLIEPEPPER


Sounds like things are lookin up? Only been here bout a month or so but I can't imagine the webs without this fine flan family, I love this place. Say the word and you got help any way I can provide it.

-Mal, your dead arm buddy's on the bridge!
-He ain't dead.
-Oh.

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Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:46 AM

MOVIEFREAK73


Lets another fan from other state / country join Amazon AP. So easy solution.

-------------------------------------------------

TV & Movie Community: http://www.moviespeople.com


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Sunday, August 2, 2009 7:18 PM

MANGOLO


The whole Hawaii state government is going wacko. First they cut the high tech tax incentive which cost the state $700 million, but brought in $1.4 billion of investment including LOST, this online tax thing, and last week they said they were going to cut the film commission off!

Paraphrasing:

(People of Hawaii): "Everything looks good from here...Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will call it... 'This Land'."

(Hawaii State Government) "I think we should call it...your grave!"

(People of Hawaii) "Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"

(Hawaii State Government) "Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh...now die!"


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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 2:37 PM

CONNOR


I'm willing to chip in with donations, even though I'm a new member to the site. Who's your web host anyway? What exactly are their rates? I'd be content to put $10-20 in every month. The GBP-USD exchange rate is still (kinda) in my favour.

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 2:41 PM

CONNOR


I'm willing to chip in with donations, even though I'm a new member to the site. Who's your web host anyway? What exactly are their rates? I'd be content to put $10-20 in every month. The GBP-USD exchange rate is still (kinda) in my favour.

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:27 AM

CANADIAN


Hey everyone,

Sorry for my ignorance, but Im not quite understanding the issue of costs associated with hosting. Im a web engineer myself, I have commercial grade servers available if all you need to do is throw up a few .asps and a sql db. Perhaps Ill just touch base with Haken thru facebook.

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:13 AM

RALLEM


I hope everything works out for the best with this site.



http://www.swyzzlestyx.com/index.html

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Friday, December 4, 2009 8:25 AM

HOLLISGREEN


HollisGreen Sez 'Michael Mazerov@cbpp calls BS on Amazon's bitching about collecting state tax'...
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2990&emailView=1

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Friday, December 4, 2009 2:48 PM

PUMAMANREDUX


I went looking at info about this matter on the web as Haken never said directly that the mess was over [or is it. I can't be sure] or maybe I missed it in all these posts ....

over at

http://www.techhui.com/profiles/blogs/urgent-help-stop-hb1405-the

someone on this blog posted a comment on July 23, 2009 that

Quote:

Hawaii Amazon Associates have been invited to re-enroll. Got this last night:

Dear Amazon Associate:

Earlier this month, Governor Linda Lingle vetoed the unconstitutional tax collection scheme passed by the Hawaii legislature in HB 1405. Because the effective date of that bill preceded both her veto and the legislature's veto override session, we had little choice but to end our advertising relationships with all Hawaii-based participants in the Amazon Associates Program. Now that the override session is over, and the legislature did not override Governor Lingle's veto of HB 1405, we would like to invite all Hawaii Associates whose accounts were closed due to the pending legislation to re-enroll in the Associates Program.

To do so, please click here. When asked to sign in, please use the same account username and password that were previously associated with your Associates account. To make your return to the Program as seamless as possible, when you re-enroll, your account information (login, store-ID, etc.) will be the same as it was prior to termination. For further information about re-enrollment, please click here for FAQs.

We appreciate your patience during this time and hope that you will re-enroll in the Associates Program. We look forward to working with you and other Hawaii-based Associates again. Please feel free to contact us with any questions or concerns.

Best Regards,

The Amazon Associates Tea,





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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 10:50 PM

HOLLISGREEN


HollisGreen proclaims 'so... we are back, yes?'

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Wednesday, December 9, 2009 10:10 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by HollisGreen:
HollisGreen proclaims 'so... we are back, yes?'



Yes, the store is back. Though, orders this holiday season isn't what it used to be. I suspect that everyone (myself included) is just being more conservative with their spending, which is understandable given the current state of the job market, business environment, and economy.


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