Ariel Episode Query by Lawman

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Ariel Episode Query

POSTED BY: LAWMAN
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:18
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Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:53 AM

As i forced my wife to watch an episode of firefly for the first time, and of course i had to choose my favorite episode: Ariel. at the end of the episode, river is drawing/coloring and simon gives her a shot. wife asks me if river is drawing the cartoon character from Serenity- the fruity oaty bar cartoon character. at first i didn't think it was the same, it kind of looked like one of those russian dolls within a doll within a doll.. kind of toy container. but now i'm not so sure. certainly, river's memories were evoked during the entire ariel episode. just wondering if there are any comments on this?

shiny

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Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:49 AM

CHINDI

Hmm guess I will have to go back and watch that episode again (darn... the sacrifice...

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I can't say that I noticed this before..

Chindi

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Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:09 AM

STEAMER

Quote:
Originally posted by Lawman:
As i forced my wife to watch an episode of firefly for the first time, and of course i had to choose my favorite episode: Ariel. at the end of the episode, river is drawing/coloring and simon gives her a shot. wife asks me if river is drawing the cartoon character from Serenity- the fruity oaty bar cartoon character. at first i didn't think it was the same, it kind of looked like one of those russian dolls within a doll within a doll.. kind of toy container. but now i'm not so sure. certainly, river's memories were evoked during the entire ariel episode. just wondering if there are any comments on this?

shiny

My mom has a bunch of those dolls - I have to say they look very similar to what River was drawing, except that the drawing had sort of a more anime look to it. So, my take? Probably unrelated to the FOB characters (although it'd make for a nice little piece of continuity

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Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:51 PM

GREENFAERIE

I see the resemblance, but I have to say it's probably not from the Fruity oaty commercial, since that wasn't even conceived at the time Ariel was filmed. At least, I doubt Joss had that much foresight. He's a genius and I love his work, but to insert that kind of foreshadowing would be mind-numbing.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:05 AM

LAWMAN

got another ariel inquiry:
when wash and kaylee go down to that junkyard, wash picks up a piece of mechanical junk and studies it right before he lobs it at the shuttle which ends up being their medical vehicle later. my question is: doesn't that piece of mechanical junk look very similar to the compression coil thing that breaks in out of gas?

i'll be in my bunk

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:09 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Large and hotlinked - I'm a very bad hippie who is going to the special hell.

From www.still-flying.net - the very best source of Firefly screencaps. You should find a shot of the compression coil thingy too.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:10 AM

THEONETRUEBIX

Yes, that's a catalyzer like the one they just needed in Out of Gas.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:15 AM

LAWMAN

shiny

i'll be in my bunk

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:54 AM

NBZ

I think those are geisha dolls.

Something Inara mentions in Trash as the last big job Mal smuggled.

INARA: They were little geisha dolls with big heads that wobbled!
MAL: People love those!

A hint at River's psychic abilities.

Mal had a job planned.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:12 PM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Gotta say, I still think they're Russian dolls. They're certainly shaped like Russian dolls - the sort of rounded, bowling pin shape. Maybe symbolic of the many layers within River herself? And how Simon and the rest of the crew are slowly opening up more of the mystery around her?

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:49 PM

NBZ

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Gotta say, I still think they're Russian dolls. They're certainly shaped like Russian dolls - the sort of rounded, bowling pin shape. Maybe symbolic of the many layers within River herself? And how Simon and the rest of the crew are slowly opening up more of the mystery around her?

ok, russian geisha dolls.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:22 PM

THEONETRUEBIX

They certainly do not have wobbly heads, either.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:39 PM

NBZ

There goeth my strawman.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:43 PM

PENGUIN

Matryoshka dolls

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:15 PM

DONCOAT

From the Ariel script, a direction for the scene in question:

Simon looks at her pad -- she's drawn a very well-rendered sketch of a matryoshka (a nesting doll), each layered doll lined up from big to small.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:45 PM

LAWMAN

see, that's why i love this site. info which is not only accurate but quite informative. i do wonder when simon says its time to wake up to river, its interesting that when river first woke up out of the box in pilot, she is kind of like a box within a box...also, another question. at end of ariel, what do they do with the emergency transport? it looks like its in operable shape. did they sell it? i mean, they do take off in serenity with the transport inside. if they repainted it, they could use it again...

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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:05 AM

LAWMAN

one last inquiry:
in the ariel episode, does anyone know why book is not even seen at all? i know the storyline, but it is kind of unusual when a character is not even in any scene. i wonder if anyone knows about this at all? just wondering if there was some kind of contract issue or if book was just late getting there in the scene and was taken out...

everybody dies alone

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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:12 AM

DONCOAT

I think they made mention at the start of the episode that Book had been dropped off at the Abbey for a visit.

When something like that happens in a TV series, it usually means that the actor wasn't available that week, for any of a thousand reasons. He may have had a prior commitment (made before he signed on to Firefly and written into his Firefly contract), or he might have been ill, for two.

I haven't heard anything specific about that episode. Didn't think to ask him on the one occasion I met him (Flanvention I). I do know that Ron Glass holds himself to very high standards of professionalism, so it's almost certain he didn't fail to show up or land in rehab, or anything even remotely scandalous.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:18 AM

LAWMAN

shiny. you got to meet him. to be honest, i only recall him on barney miller. but most folks here probably don't even remember that series. tells you how old i am.

money was too good, i got stupid.

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