Shepard Book by jaglee

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Shepard Book

POSTED BY: JAGLEE
UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2007 09:01
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Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:44 AM

OK did they ever actually tell why Shepard Book knew so much about different things? and Why the Alliance was so eager to help him when he was shot. Maybe I missed something in the episodes or the movie....or maybe they just never had a chance to say, but thought someone here might know.

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Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:21 AM

JLIN

I don't think you missed anything. Shepard Book's story has been discussed in great length in other threads, but all of it is speculation. There are theories that he was an Operative, involved with parliment, member of Alliance...etc. His and Innara's stories are two of the biggest reasons I would like to see the show back on the air. There are so many questions left unanswered.

As for me, I like to beleive he was an Operative.

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Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:46 AM

JAMES27

I think that shepard Book may have been with the alliance one time or another. But I like to think that he is really just a shepard with maybe a troubling past. Because the first time he got on Serenity remember they said he wasnt looking at a destination. I think he just wanted to get away.

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Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:55 AM

JAGLEE

Yeah I started watching the movie just now, and Mal makes a comment about Book's past. Book says something like you dont need to know about it. I would think he was something like an operative, maybe he had a change of heart or something.

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Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:20 AM

JOKERMONT

I think him previously being an operative is the most likely...He's clearly very important to the alliance...and although retired, he'd still be valued by them. He has a vast knowledge of criminals. weapons etc. Also in the film he knew instantly that the person chasing them would be an operative "closed file" as he puts it. I'm 90% sure it's where the story would of headed.

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Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:29 AM

RAE

Another option is that he was high up in the military, and somehow responsible for the battle of Serenity Valley....

Rae

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Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:02 PM

JAGLEE

I could see that. That coudl be a good reason why he will not tell anyone, cause he might have had a lot to do with the war.

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Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:50 PM

PIRATECAT

They first should make a new FF series called Unsolved Mysteries. Shepherd Book my favorite character is an operative. Possibly a double agent with Independent sympathy. I also believe operatives have no soul because they are clones. This is why when they retire they dump them in a church. They need belief always looking for something. It has been rumored for sometime that Shepherd Book was bootlegging with the Kenendy clan on a moon called Ire. Book on the take made sure that taxes didn't have to be paid. But like I said just a rumor.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:46 PM

JAGLEE

I wonder if they will make a 2nd movie to close the mysteries, since the movie did so well.

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Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:52 PM

GOMITHROUS

The next movie could be done in the style of "Out of Gas", that would be cool. I like the idea of Book being a Companion, but that's just me, well actually I don't know for a fact that it's just me, is it just me?

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Friday, January 05, 2007 1:38 PM

FASTMOVER

The idea that Book was somehow involved with Serenity Valley seems really plausible to me and has got me thinking. Maybe he was initially looking to get away, but learned about Mal and Zoe's past and felt sympathetic. He could have felt some deep remorse for whatever he did and decided to remain on the ship and do whatever he could to help the crew to "repay for his sins." For him it was a chance he deeply needed to ease the guilt.

OR he could have just been something as mundane as a chaplain for the Alliance and had been telling the truth all along while us nuts are going crazy over it. :)

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Friday, January 05, 2007 4:32 PM

KELAI

He was a Companion for the people at Milcom. :biggrin:

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Monday, January 08, 2007 1:01 AM

TATHRASEVENTEEN

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Originally posted by jaglee: I could see that. That coudl be a good reason why he will not tell anyone, cause he might have had a lot to do with the war.

Too obvious. This is Joss Whedon we're talking about. While Book might have had politico-military connections in the Alliance, they wouldn't be immediately obvious (ie Book wouldn't be a former Operative). I've heard a lot of theories ranging from being a Companion all the way through to that he was like Tracey but was smuggling information as opposed to body parts.

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Monday, January 08, 2007 11:28 AM

DJTOES

I don't think Book was a Companion. His surprise or slight distaste for Inara's job is because of becoming a Sheppherd and the way God frowns on that. Book's knowledge of military stuff (when Nishka (sp) kidnaps Mal and Wash)and then there's the fact that he knew Nishka's name to begin with, Even Jayne points that out. "how would a Sheppard know a name like that?" And, of course, the whole incident with the Alliance when Book was injuried. You don't get that kind of treatment unless you'rehow i love you. important. Even Early says, "That ain't a Sheppard." Weird, huh? Speculation is so much fun. When i first watched the series I knew Sheppard Book wasn't what he seemed, or more like, there was more to him than he let on. Then the movie confirmed it. How he told Mal about the operative. How "they'll come at you sideways." I'll venture a guess for bounty hunter, however that doesn't tie up the Alliance treatment of him. He's important to the Alliance. Maybe he worked for Blue Sun, intelligence, maybe. That's why he knows Nishka's name, and so much about how these "operatives" think. Now, of course, this theory isn't new or ground breaking. I can't get into Joss Whedon's head, although it would be amazing to see the thing that man thinks. But remember. Joss did want to go into Blue Sun into more detail.

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Monday, January 08, 2007 2:03 PM

TATHRASEVENTEEN

Well, Summer Glau said that she is "aware of the secret of Shepherd Book" at a convention in Brisbane in the middle of last year ...

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Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:02 PM

WHEELGUNGUNSLINGER

I beleive Book was there in the begining because he was following Simon and River to keep tabs on them, not to capture but to observe.

Shoot straight, Shoot once! (Saves ammo and time)

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Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:50 PM

CORNBREAD

I like to imagine he was the inventor of the delicious novelty treat, the Ice Planet. He needed to get away from all of his money and glory from the creation of such a marvelous treat. So he settled down at an abbey and after awhile got tired of the repetition. He doesn't want anyone to know his secret, because his arch-nemesis will find him and try to steal his recipes. But this would explain Book's love affair with food.

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Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:38 PM

FASTMOVER

Quote:
Originally posted by WheelgunGunslinger: I beleive Book was there in the begining because he was following Simon and River to keep tabs on them, not to capture but to observe.

Shoot straight, Shoot once! (Saves ammo and time)

This thought occurred to me several times as well, but why not just bust them after having so many chances?

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Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:52 PM

RAE

Good point. Remember in the pilot, when the guy (can't remember his name) was on board Serenity, and reported them to the feds. Books says "The guys I was supposed to protect..."

Rae Y

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Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:32 AM

CERES

There's also the bit in Objects in Space where River hears him thinking, 'I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not! So where does that put you?' That sounds like guilt over something he did in the past - maybe killing someone innocent?

I like the idea of him inventing the Ice Planet recipe though :smile:

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Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:39 PM

FASTMOVER

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Originally posted by Rae: Good point. Remember in the pilot, when the guy (can't remember his name) was on board Serenity, and reported them to the feds. Books says "The guys I was supposed to protect..."

Rae Y

The quote was along the lines of, "I beat senseless the man I swore to protect." You could read it cryptically, but I think that as a Shepard he has taken a vow to protect all people, regardless of who they are or past sins.

Now, taking the earlier idea that he was onboard to monitor the Tams for the Alliance, maybe he was actually monitoring them for someone else who wanted River. That could be why he didn't turn them over to the Alliance all those times and even protected them. If the Alliance wanted River so badly as an assassin, then I'm sure there were many other "interested parties" who would have use for her.

Still, what we see of Book in the BDM really discounts any possibility that he was part of some sinister plot against the Tams.

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Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:41 PM

ORANGEHAT

Ahhhh Book. The man with the secrets. I don't think he could be a companion for the simple fact that he and Jayne have a conversation involving abstinence and we find that Book is veeeeeeery religious.(Of course it could be a ruse, a deliciate surrealism he portrays to his ship mates to hide his motives whatever they are..) Though I would like to find out more about him, I don't usually give his character a lot of thought which is one of the reasons I concluded that his character at one point was/is meant to be important. He's supposed to seem like the normal one, level headed and good with God but I'm sure there's some dark secret buried in his past that caused him to repent his evil ways and follow a more virtious path. Perhaps he was closely tied to the Tams somehow and upon realizing what his government was doing to these innocent children he found a way to escape (or retire) or perhaps he goes under the pretense of working but is really hiding along with the Tams. I'm not sure how easy it is for an Operative to retire considering how cut throat the inner workings of the alliance are.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 4:08 AM

TAKEMEFLYING

If Book were an ex-Operative, he would be in hiding from his old employers - it simply isn't the kind of job that one retires from - and so the ident card that got him such good care from the Alliance would have been a good fake (a la Jason Bourne).

I rather think he is more likely to be ex-law enforcement; it would explain his knowledge of arms and combat, Niska's reputation, Womack's stepping outside of procedures, Early's comment. The same way that policemen or soldiers will protect their own, even retired, his ex-cop ident card might afford him some care from the Alliance (possibly with the twisted thought he might be undercover).

Assuming he retired after coming face to face with the injustice either in the system or his unflinching adherence to the letter of the law, it would explain the overheard thought ("I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not. So where does that put you?") and how troubled he is by having 'fallen in with criminals' and 'watched the captain shoot the man I swore to protect (another lawman)'. I think he did his best to leave behind and even forget the cops&criminals world within the abbey - he turned away from the world and towards his faith. He thought he had grown strong enough to make a difference on the outside, and within two days is confronted full force with the very things he ran away from.

Well, it's an interesting story anyway... :biggrin: *tries to shake off the plot-bunny at her ankle*

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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:04 PM

ORANGEHAT

Man!!! I had a CRAZY brain wave brought on by the very famous movie Pulp Fiction! If ya'll remember near the end in the cafe we have Samuel L Jackson and he starts in with the bible verse and starts explaining to the fellow at gun point about who he is; the shepard, the rightious man..blah blah whatever the other ones were. Finally he says I'm trying so hard to be the Shepard. Que the light flickin on. Book here could have some basis. He does some dirty work experiences (samuels words) a miracle and realizes its time to flip his life around. To guide those who have followed down his once damned path to rightousness and all the other just things the bible has to teach (apparently). I could be way off but when hit with the thought I decided to share it in hopes of it going away :P

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Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:04 AM

MISTERSOLIDUS

I think he might've been a middle man. He helped the Alliance at one point, but never really joined them.

Thats my thought at least...

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Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:04 PM

DREAMWALKER

Book must have had considerable power within the Alliance at some point. Remember the reaction the Alliance people gave when they checked his ID in Safe. If he was just some minor government funtionary than I don't think he would have that level of respect after he left office. My theory is he was either an Operative, which is the more unlikely of my two ideas given that Operatives are brainwashed into blindly believing Alliance Dogma (like the guy in the BDM), or else he was a high ranking Alliance official who got out after he saw too many terrible things or may have done some terrible things. I can't think of a better way to try to find redemption than turning your back on a life like that and becomimg a man of God.

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Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:45 AM

CERES

I'm half way through reading 'The Killer Angels' which Joss has said inspired him to write Firefly. This is from memory 'cause I haven't got the book with me at the moment, but there's a high ranking officer who's been accused of cowardice. He took his men out of a difficult battle situation without checking with the senior officer first. Most of his comrades know he's innocent but the press vilified him and their story has gone down as the true one. It's commented that his only hope now is to die bravely to rescue his reputation. I wondered if that could've been the inspiration behind Book's story, even if it doesn't follow it exactly.

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Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:36 AM

SPACEANJL

Richard Brooke Garnett.

Maybe Book got religion in prison? My thoughts on him are - high-ranking, but possibly bent, cop. Maybe IA or military police. Knows about Operatives, but perhaps not too happy at having to work with them.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 7:36 PM

OLMERCBEAR

The man with a Past. That's our Sheppard. Important. Yes. To who is the question. Alliance, Blue Sun, Congress, Parliment. We may never know. We may find out, but...

Something I just noticed while rewatching "OoG" yet again. The scene when River speaks with Book while he is in his quarters, praying. And her words of 'comfort' concerning the way that everyone is going to die.

Look at Book's face, watch how he is behaving. This is Not a man who is afraid of the unknown. This is the look of a man who has been onship, in the Black, when the hull has been breached, life support is failing and the air supply is running out. Book Knows what is going to happen. And he is Very afraid. And he is finding No words of comfort in the Good Book.

So, my take on Book's background indicates that at sometime in his life, whether as a travelling Sheppard, a Soldier, Operative, Young Child of Colonist Parents, or what have you, he came very close to dying under the same circumstances that the Serenity is now in. And as in all traumatic incidents, the effects will be with him all his life.

Makes you wonder what was so important that he could bring himself to get Back on a spaceship.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 8:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

He used to work for Fox....

'nuff said.

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Monday, March 19, 2007 4:00 AM

DONCOAT

At the risk of sounding insufferably snarky, I feel like I have to mention a pet peeve.

The word is "shepherd". The title is "Shepherd Book".

It's really not all that hard to remember when you realize it's a shortened form of "sheep herder". Yes, it looks funny because of the 'ph' in the middle that does NOT sound like 'f', but that's because the 'p' is from 'sheep' and the 'h' is from 'herd'.

"Shepard" is the last name of the first American in space. It doesn't have anything to do with Mr. Book, religion, or sheep.

Okay, rant over. Sorry for the pedantic-ness.

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Monday, March 19, 2007 6:25 AM

LAWMAN

felt like i had to put in my two cents worth. just finished watching safe for the 15th time. not my favorite episode, but important for storyline purposes. book knows too much about weapons/criminals/alliance. i think former fed operative with ties to bounty hunting meshes with what early says as well.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:40 AM

LAWMAN

NEW THEORY!! ok, i just finished watching first episode- serenity 1&2 again... what if book is actually an undercover alliance operative who is sent to track the tams. and his cover is being from the abbey. he basically waits for an opportune time. if the series went further, i bet he comes to grips about whether he wants to help the alliance and in the end turns against the feds, which is why he is killed in the bdm, which is counter to what you would expect from the safe episode where it seems like book is some very valued member of the alliance. just for arguments sake, consider this: if one assumes book is actually a fed undercover operative who intentionally got on board serenity, one could easily assume that the lawman who also gets on doesn't know anything about book at all. heck, who knows if book sent the message to the alliance? just saying anything is possible. yes, i'm obsessed.

i'll be in my bunk

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:55 PM

BAGHEERA

Quote:
Originally posted by Lawman: if one assumes book is actually a fed undercover operative who intentionally got on board serenity, one could easily assume that the lawman who also gets on doesn't know anything about book at all. heck, who knows if book sent the message to the alliance? just saying anything is possible. yes, i'm obsessed.

i think the pilot was awesome. and that you were SUPPOSED to suspect book to a certain degree, which brought comedy when Book tells Mal that he has the wrong man when Mal apprehends Simon... but it doesnt really play out in the longrun, unfortunately.

As with most alternate theories about the characters, the movie kinda kills possibilities.

I can certainly believe that a lone loose cannon like the guy in the pilot wouldnt have known of Book's identity... but the Operative most certainly would have known of all the players, and wouldnt have deliberately killed an undercover, especially one that only served to aid his tracking of Simon and River.

So regardless of Book's relations to the Alliance, it was (mostly) in the past, as he would have had a hostile/neutral position with the alliance when he was killed.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:20 AM

LAWMAN

exactly. but what if between the last episode and bdm, book decides that he doesn't want to work for the feds after all. that his relationships built during the time on serenity convinces him that crew is decent and feds are wrong. a lot can happen between tv and bdm. also, when they do the job in ariel, interesting that book goes off and meditates on some rock. can't meditate on serenity? when jayne says it beats sittin. wash says it is sitting. i think it could be argued that book is meeting with feds and maybe even cutting ties with feds. book's past is a mystery, but not enough details to completely write the undercover operative theory.

i'll be in my bunk

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Monday, March 26, 2007 9:54 AM

LAWMAN

regarding book: why does early say, that book is no shepherd? early has no reason to lie about book. he clearly recognizes book.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:36 AM

ORANGEHAT

Early could have done some crazy bounty hunter backround check and find out all kinds o shit about everyone on the ship, he found them and I think thats proof enough that Early has skills and connections. He may not have recognized Book but he might have stumbled upon his other more 'interesting' life that we will never ever REALLY know of. Speculations can only go so far.

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Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:37 PM

WYTCHCROFT

-vump! here you go sirthomas!

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Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:00 PM

SIRTHOMAS

I don’t think he was an operative. Well rephrasing that, he could have possible been gathering Intel on Mal and Zoe, but I don’t think he would be there for Simon and River because he boarded the ship before they did.

But I honestly think he was trying to escape his past. I think that he did know all about Miranda and quite possibly had a hand in its creation, that would explain the Safe episode and the ident card.

Also Shepard new that everyone wanted River off the ship, but for some reason Mal kept keeping her around, Mal believed in her for some reason or another. And this would cause Shepard to tell him that he didn’t care what Mal believed but to just believe.

Happiness is a Warm Gun...

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Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:24 PM

YETANOTHERBROWNCOAT

Just something interesting, I know of a site- www.stillflying.net/

The folks over at Virtual Fiefly have some very talented writers who have written a whole slew of fanfic in the form of episodes for tv. They rounded out season one and are far into season two, I cant get on the site from work, so i'm not sure how much they have added in the past few months.

They do have one episode in season two telling the possible story of Shepherd Book's past. all the episodes are well written, and the authors did a very good job keeping the characters as they were in the real Firefly. Overall an excellent read and a real treat to any Browncoat.

Note: late season two they begin adapting BDM into TV episodes.

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Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:13 PM

FREEBROWNCOAT

Book keeping tabs on River? Far too silly. High up in Alliance Command, retired Flag Officer or thereabouts. Perhaps just an officer that made a name for himself, Congressional Medal or similar, a hero held up to other Alliance officers so they take care of him. But he must have knowledge of Niska so that would lead more to Intelligence, having used Nishka in places the Alliance couldn't be seen. Or a Planetary Governor, which would allow for most of the above. People got hurt, perhaps a colony like Haven wiped out by his orders and that turns him to religion. He is honest in his convictions, a Sheperd that would swear to protect anyone he felt was being abused or under threat. But then there is Early, and he dispels most theories. Dammit Joss, just tell us!

"I don't care if you are guilty or not, so where does that put you?"

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Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:35 AM

WYTCHCROFT

Quote:
Prairie Experiences in Handling Cattle and Sheep, by Major W. Shepherd, published in 1884. Caption reads "Interior of Ranch."

i just got his by googling Shepherd Book - wow!:)

(and there was i always thinking he got his name from John Book in Witness...)

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Friday, November 09, 2007 9:01 AM

BBDV

I always believed Book was a disillusioned operative who deserted as he could no longer stomach the work and wanted to redeem himself which is why he became a shepherd.

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