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Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:18 AM

I can do you one better.... sock puppets!

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Originally posted by Storymark: And would parlaiment be set in a bar, too? Played by cardboard cutouts?

Maybe Summer's stalkers would be content with a half-assed "movie" that consists of her in a dark room rambling on about the love lives of politicians, but it sounds like utter dreck to me.

Start with this:

Add this:

And this:

Film it with stop-motion action using this:

Find and update an old used script:

There, I just made Serenity II for $ 112.49

Everybody wins....yeah!

"She understands. She doesn't comprehend."

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:50 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Zeek: Making up a million dollar constraint is just silly. I thought you realized that and it was a joke. I never said a million dollar movie. But it doesn't need to be 45 million either. It also doesn't need to be scifi IMO. As I said they could shoot a whole movie off ship on one of the outer rim planets. The sets could be regular looking locations. They could cut a ton on special effects and on rebuilding all the Serenity sets and I'd be perfectly fine with it.

You may not have, but Two did, and that was the criteria upon which the conversation had hinged. But you're right, you hadn't said it, I was just running with the prior criteria, so (here ya go) I apologize on that front.

Sure, they could do a plain western with none of the scifi, but that's not what Firefly/Serenity is, nor do I think Joss would want to make such a truncated and compromised version of his story. Remember, at 30 million, Serenity was already considered to be pretty low budget.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:59 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by Storymark: Im not apologizing here. Because I know what I'm talking about. I just helped prep a movie with a million dollar budget. It doesn't go very far, and that was with no special effects, simple locations, and an all d-list and lower cast.

What is the name of the movie? Where is it on imdb.com?

Oh: SyFy movies are $2,000,000. Morena Baccarin and Jewel Staite made one each. MyLifetime movies are $1,000,000. Summer Glau made one in Hawaii. Not science fiction but it did have special effects to put the staterooms out to sea and to move a landlocked swimming pool onto an oceanliner.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:23 AM

STORYMARK

The movie is/was called SLASH, and has Patricia Tillman (Babylon 5), Clare Grant (The Gates, Seth Green's wife) and Holly Madison (That Playboy reality show) attached, amongst others. But the original funding source is in question now, so the producers are talking about going to Lionsgate rather than financing it independently.

I'm credited as co-writer (though to be honest, I don't care much for the script, I wasn't allowed to do many of the changes I felt it needed), and may end of being the production designer as well. I'd give you the direct IMDB link, but I can't access the site from work. There are several films with that title, but ours is the most recent listing.

Syfy movies run between 1-2 million, so it depends. But most of those have 1 recognizable B or C list actor, with everyone else being unknowns for the most part. They also tend to have amateur or low level writers and directors. You know, to get a good script - writers like to be paid. Your example of the Hawaiian movie may have had FX, but from what you describe, they were just set extensions - which is one of the easiest to do. I could do that on my home PC in an hour or two.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:35 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by Storymark: The movie is/was called SLASH, and has Patricia Tillman (Babylon 5), Clare Grant (The Gates, Seth Green's wife) and Holly Madison (That Playboy reality show) attached, amongst others. But the original funding source is in question now, so the producers are talking about going to Lionsgate rather than financing it independently.

I'm credited as co-writer (though to be honest, I don't care much for the script, I wasn't allowed to do many of the changes I felt it needed), and may end of being the production designer as well. I'd give you the direct IMDB link, but I can't access the site from work. There are several films with that title, but ours is the most recent listing.

Syfy movies run between 1-2 million, so it depends. But most of those have 1 recognizable B or C list actor, with everyone else being unknowns for the most part. They also tend to have amateur or low level writers and directors. You know, to get a good script - writers like to be paid. Your example of the Hawaiian movie may have had FX, but from what you describe, they were just set extensions - which is one of the easiest to do. I could do that on my home PC in an hour or two.

www.imdb.com/title/tt1506455/

Slash (2011) R 100 min - Horror | Thriller - Filming summer 2011 (USA) Release Date: 29 October 2011 (USA) Budget: $1,000,000 (estimated)

Cade wants a normal life, but his moody step-brother drags him though increasingly violent fantasies as a series of real murders occur. Cade's apathy culminates into a manic party, where Cade must finally face his demons, or die trying.

Director: Rycke Foreman Writers: Rycke Foreman, Jeremy Orr Stars: Jillian Murray, Clare Grant and Todd Farmer

Plot Summary for Slash (2011) Walter Sickert beats on the door in a drunken rage as his son Trench and step-son, Cade, cower inside the house. But Trench has a shotgun. He antagonizes his dad, who breaks down the door, coming in shooting. Trench blows him away, cracking a wicked grin. Trench, Rachel's boyfriend, shows up with dinner, though he's not supposed to be there. Inside, they continue to plot and prank as they eat, Trench going deadly with his idea, and Liz Stride, the stage manager, busts them, kicking Trench out. Onstage, they rehearse the Coffee/Dwyer murder scene with Kareem Cream and Annie Chapman, directed by Monte Druitt, in which Cade is The Ripper. Polly digs on Lillith about Kenny, and Lillith bolts for the door. Cade and Rachel follow her out, but she is gone. Jack Barnett offers them a ride. Cade declines, to go look for Lillith. Trench is upset Jack took Rachel home alone. Arriving home, where a party is raging, Trench fantasizes with a reluctant Cade about killing Jack and Paul onstage, during the Koontz murder scene. In the theater, they run through the Coffee/Dwyer murder, and Cade runs offstage to find his cloak and knife. Kenny is missing.

Lesson Learned (2005) www.imdb.com/title/tt1555834/ www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi3750167577/ www.imdb.com/name/nm3400080/ www.myspace.com/storymark

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:41 AM

STORYMARK

That's the one (terrible synopsis he put there on IMDB though).

Lesson Learned, the other film linked there, is an old short of mine, that was done for a 48-hour film competition, written shot and edited in one weekend.

I'm currently working on my first distributed work, a 4 episode micro series that's a spin-off from the Highlander TV series, and will be included on the Blu Rays for the series. Some behind the scenes pics and a few screencaps can be found here:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Highlander-The-Watcher/13473274658523
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"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:11 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Made for TV movies are fun sometimes, sometimes they're fun to make fun of, but sometimes they are actually enjoyable to me. On Scifi channel I liked Thor: hammer of the gods, a few midieval ones like Book of beasts, some dragon ones, this weird not-well-presented one about the future where these people think they're the only people left and there are these creatures and they go find this yellow powder down the river held by this bad king to prevent the disease etc. A lot of these movies have gaps in their logic but honestly I find some of them entertaining and my dad and I do watch them.

One of the lamest ones was that rock monster film, with that creature made of rock, that was really silly, we couldn't handle it. We like those natural disaster ones too.

I guess I'm just way too easy to please. But a Serenity movie would have to work very hard to please me because I hold Firefly to a very specific standard, as standard that the movie flirted with messing with, so Serenity 2 would have to work double hard to get my vote as a good film. Just my opinion.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:54 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

When is Two going to stop trying to convince us that they know how to write a better screenplay than Joss?

If I had the inclination I could probably list hundreds of films that have confrontations between protagonist and antagonist that are equally illogical. It doesn't mean that Joss can't write a good action scene, just that he knows if it was written the way Two wanted it to be it would have negated the continued confrontation between Mal and The Operative.

The reason Serenity II is not being made (yet) is that not enough tickets were sold for the original. Period.

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:25 PM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by ecgordon: When is Two going to stop trying to convince us that they know how to write a better screenplay than Joss?

. . . I could probably list hundreds of films that have confrontations between protagonist and antagonist that are equally illogical. It doesn't mean that Joss can't write a good action scene, just that he knows if it was written the way Two wanted it to be it would have negated the continued confrontation between Mal and The Operative.

There is movie in theaters, costing $15,000,000 to make, called The King's Speech. The script is riddled with gross falsifications of history having to do with Edward VIII and Nazis. Some have complained: “Churchill Didn't Say That” - www.slate.com/id/2282194/ Is it wrong to find fault with that award winning screenplay? The true story would have been fractionally more entertaining, less predictable.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:41 PM

INVADERCHAT

Wow, you guys are still going?

Anyway, thanks Storymark for clarifying what I said earlier and just to clarify further, I didn't say a big budget made stuff better NOR did I say a small budget makes things worse. What I was trying to say was that you have no scope on what things cost in the industry and the things you are suggesting will cost far more than you think they will. As Storymark has said, Serenity at 30 mil was considered low budget and in my opinion that was far superior to many of the big budget films coming out. And I mentioned this before but Schwarzenegger's appearance would probably cost you half of whatever budget you had.

I brought up Dr. Horribles because it was low budget AND in my opinion it was good but look at all the corners they had to cut and that STILL cost 'em a quarter of a million.

Additionally, the scene in question is set 500 years in the future in the basement of a mass broadcasting planet where an assassin has been tipped off to the location of the hero by a lifelike 'love-bot' and you have THAT to complain about? I'm pretty sure this 'Joss Whedon' guy makes a living off of writing and if he was able to magically make a Firefly/Serenity in any way decent on any budget he had available to him I think he'd try but hey, you take your plot idea there, buy the rights and go and write, cast, direct, cater, costume, film and edit your own production, I'll watch.

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Friday, February 04, 2011 4:27 AM

ZEEK

It really doesn't make an argument look sound when you fall back on something silly like one of us buying the rights and producing a new movie.

I wouldn't want to see a movie or mini-series in the Firefly/Serenity universe if it wasn't written by Joss. I don't even want one if it was Tim Minear. Which is why I don't give a flip about the fan works. If Joss isn't writing or at least very closely overseeing things then it isn't Firefly IMO.

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Friday, February 04, 2011 7:11 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by two: Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon: When is Two going to stop trying to convince us that they know how to write a better screenplay than Joss?

. . . I could probably list hundreds of films that have confrontations between protagonist and antagonist that are equally illogical. It doesn't mean that Joss can't write a good action scene, just that he knows if it was written the way Two wanted it to be it would have negated the continued confrontation between Mal and The Operative.
There is movie in theaters, costing $15,000,000 to make, called The King's Speech. The script is riddled with gross falsifications of history having to do with Edward VIII and Nazis. Some have complained: “Churchill Didn't Say That” - www.slate.com/id/2282194/ Is it wrong to find fault with that award winning screenplay? The true story would have been fractionally more entertaining, less predictable.

No fault at all. But it's just your opinion that the script would have been better.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 04, 2011 9:41 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by Storymark: "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

I think this is a bad trend in Hollywood, but Serenity II would be expensive because action movies must become more and more graphic if they are to penetrate our violence-hardened sensibilities. The body counts rise in action sequels: the first Die Hard movie had eighteen deaths, and the second had 264; the first Robocop movie had thirty-two deaths, and the second had eighty-one; and the three Godfather movies piled up twelve, eighteen, and fifty-three corpses respectively. Escalating the body count seems to be one way to get attention from a public punch-drunk on global mayhem.

Why bother with improving narrative logic or truth when more killings can compensate? I realize now how to improve The King's Speech - King George VI in hand-to-hand combat. With Nazis!

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, February 04, 2011 10:14 AM

DOCTOROSSI

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I think this is a bad trend in Hollywood, but Serenity II would be expensive because action movies must become more and more graphic if they are to penetrate our violence-hardened sensibilities.

I think this premise is utterly fallacious, but even if I grant it, on what evidence does increased graphic violence/body-count equate to an increased production budget?

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Friday, February 04, 2011 10:31 AM

STORYMARK

Two becomes rather nonsensical when you don't go around to his way of thinking on occasion.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 04, 2011 10:47 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by Doctorossi: Quote:
I think this is a bad trend in Hollywood, but Serenity II would be expensive because action movies must become more and more graphic if they are to penetrate our violence-hardened sensibilities.

I think this premise is utterly fallacious, but even if I grant it, on what evidence does increased graphic violence/body-count equate to an increased production budget?

Good to see you just signed up for fireflyfans.net, Doctorossi.

The premise is not more violence equals more cost. The formula is no violence (a lot of talk and weird sets and costumes) is cheaper than a lot of violence (rampaging cannibals destroying sets, super-stunt fights, spaceship crashes). I bet that hand made giant size model of Serenity that they crashed cost a fortune for only seconds of movie.

I was thinking that a Serenity sequel with zero violence, mentioned here www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=39&t=47379#829650 would be far cheaper than the original Serenity. But if Serenity II follows the typical Hollywood formula for action sequels, it will have more violence than the original and it won't be cheaper to make than the original.

www.screenhead.com/funny/eyecandy/serenity-crash-effects-rundown-14715
1.php

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, February 04, 2011 11:03 AM

STORYMARK

And what from Firefly.... or ANY of Joss' work, makes you think he'd WANT to do a story with NO violence??

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 04, 2011 11:31 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by Storymark: And what from Firefly.... or ANY of Joss' work, makes you think he'd WANT to do a story with NO violence??

You're right. The episode I liked best, Out of Gas, did have Mal being shot in the guts. And they did burn down Serenity. Then there is Shindig, where Mal got stabbed in the guts. And they did wreck a bar. So zero violence is out. Rather than zero, let's have "cheap" violence. Broken mirrors and bloody shirts don't cost much. Crashing a giant spaceship model and crashing a flying mule carrying four actors are expensive. Joss will have to give up "expensive" violence if he wants to cut expenses. I got no reason to think he does want to.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, February 04, 2011 11:37 AM

STORYMARK

And there ya go.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:58 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by Storymark: And there ya go.

Storymark, what do you think of a Serenity II along the same plan as Tin Man (budget $19,000,000) and Alice? Is it still too low budget to conceivably attract Joss Whedon? Both were on SyFy and ran for 3 and 2 nights, respectively. Both got 7 stars out of 10. It is a giant leap up from SyFy's Mothman with Jewel Staite (budget $2,000,000) and Sands of Oblivion with Morena Baccarin and Adam Baldwin. Both received a measly 3.6 stars out of a possible 10.

When writing a Lewis Carroll adaptation or directing an Oz remake, there is a transfinite number of ways for the not gifted to go wrong. Joss Whedon wouldn't make the blunders in these two:

Tin Man (TV 2007) www.imdb.com/title/tt0910812/ SyFy has a lengthy history of producing terrible original programming, but Tin Man is several cuts above their usual dreck. Sure, the special effects are poor and some ideas seem half-baked, but the good storytelling goes a long way towards overcoming these problems.

Alice (TV 2009) www.imdb.com/title/tt1461312/ Not too good, but hardly bad, Alice is inconsistent. Parts of it are good, but tonal inconsistencies, at times questionable production values, and unneeded subplots constantly nag the viewer.

Imagine greatness: Serenity II A SyFy Presentation, a Storymark Production, a Joss Whedon Film, Copyright © 2015 SyFy Pictures All rights reserved

Yes, a $100,000,000 budget from Universal would be lovely for Serenity II. A $19,000,000 budget from SyFy is more likely. It has been done before with Tin Man. Obvious a script for SyFy ought to be completely different than a script for Universal because there is only a fifth of the money. SyFy could not afford to destroy another model of Serenity. www.screenhead.com/funny/eyecandy/serenity-crash-effects-rundown-14715
1.php

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, February 05, 2011 2:14 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Sci-Fi has a very good track record on their mini-series. Don't forget that is how the Galactica reboot started. I wouldn't mind seeing them greenlight a movie or mini, but only if Joss has control. Those dimwits at the network would try to dumb it down to just an action flick. I think a lot of the cast and crew would work for scale if they could get back together, and surely Zoic has plenty of CGI effects saved.

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Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:23 PM

DOCTOROSSI

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Good to see you just signed up for fireflyfans.net, Doctorossi.

And thanks for helping me remember my place, Two. I was beginning to think my opinion valid. :kiss:

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Sunday, February 06, 2011 8:50 AM

OPPYH

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Originally posted by two: Is it wrong to find fault with that award winning screenplay? The true story would have been fractionally more entertaining, less predictable.

No, it's not wrong. But movies based on real events will always take liberties on the factual account. It is impossible not to. To what degree, depends on the screenwriter, and director. Heck, it's even getting to the point where certain documentaries are getting skewed from their respective subject.

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Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:04 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

The King's Speech would be more entertaining if George VI gets the stutters because he knows his brother, Edward VIII, is a Nazi. It's plausible with Edward. Let the royals sue for libel if they don't like fictionalized history. 'It's only a movie' will be the legal defense. Surely that will convince a judge.

Duke and Duchess of Windsor meet Adolf Hitler 1937

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, February 07, 2011 5:02 AM

ZEEK

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Originally posted by two: Tin Man (TV 2007) www.imdb.com/title/tt0910812/ SyFy has a lengthy history of producing terrible original programming, but Tin Man is several cuts above their usual dreck. Sure, the special effects are poor and some ideas seem half-baked, but the good storytelling goes a long way towards overcoming these problems.

I don't care what you say about the special effects, anytime they want to show flying monkeys leap out of a hot chick's chest I'm there.

I would definitely take a Serenity 2 with effects of that quality. Especially if we get the same air time as tin man. That got what like 6 hours of air time?

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Monday, February 07, 2011 7:03 PM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by Zeek: anytime they want to show flying monkeys leap out of a hot chick's chest I'm there. I would definitely take a Serenity 2 with effects of that quality. Especially if we get the same air time as tin man. That got what like 6 hours of air time?

Tin Man was 3 episodes, 90 minutes each without commercials. Flying monkey tattoo of the Wicked Witch. Who gets the magical tattoo in Serenity II? Inara because she bares a lot of skin? River because she's weird and witchy? Kaylee because she's into tattoos? Or is it Jayne because he already has tattoos?

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:03 AM

AV32PRODUCTIONS

we all have to remember how serenity got made in the first place: the fans unwillingness to give up. This more than any thing else, including dvd sales, is what got it made in the first place. Even so, i just bought two copies of serenity- collecters edition, just in case

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Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:29 AM

ZEEK

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Originally posted by two: Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek: anytime they want to show flying monkeys leap out of a hot chick's chest I'm there. I would definitely take a Serenity 2 with effects of that quality. Especially if we get the same air time as tin man. That got what like 6 hours of air time?
Tin Man was 3 episodes, 90 minutes each without commercials. Flying monkey tattoo of the Wicked Witch. Who gets the magical tattoo in Serenity II? Inara because she bares a lot of skin? River because she's weird and witchy? Kaylee because she's into tattoos? Or is it Jayne because he already has tattoos?

Hmmm you may have inadvertently stumbled upon why Serenity 2 is not being made. If we the fans don't even have a clear choice for which character should be "boobies that shoot flying monkeys girl" then what real mass appeal do we have? I think if Joss had made Saffron a regular then the choice would be clear and we'd probably have a green light by now.

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Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:34 AM

TONIROMAN

"Every one of them leaves the conference room at Universal Studios with a bloody nose. Is that enough to satisfy your need for violence? If not, then maybe some gunshots. Bullets are popular in TV movies."

I love your sarcasm -- at least with regard to violence. I often say similar things myself. I like the way you think. Possibility thinking.

It would be nice if we could collaborate on some project.

Toni Roman

"Often late to the party, don't know what is going on, and still getting up to speed.".

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Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:31 PM

RIVERTAM1

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayl!

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Originally posted by SULIEN: *sigh* Why is it that no sci-fi fans ever win the Mega Millions lottery jackpot? I'd bankroll Serenity II if I hit it big, that's for certain. Come to think of it, it's a pity Bill Gates isn't a Browncoat. :-/

Well, lets convert him! :biggrin:

At the end of the day, it's love keeps you in the air.

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Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:05 AM

TORTOISE1

Can we maybe vote on the whole murdering people issue?

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Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:25 AM

TORTOISE1

Can we maybe vote on the whole murdering people issue?

Greets folks,

New here. I know this thread is kind of old and things got somewhat heated at times, but I did just read the whole thing so thought I'd drop a pair of pennies in here.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but for me, the person over and above anyone else that would need to be heavily involved in any 'Verse project would be Joss Whedon. It would be great if he wrote the script himself. However if he were the producer and handed off the writing duties to a guy who was just like him over a decade ago (a young writer with loads of promise who was not yet proven - at least not to the extent he was post Firefly) and served as a guiding hand, that would be fine by me.

Further, while all of us are married to the characters of the original series, most if not all of them were unknowns prior to Firefly. While some might conjure up "Hey I know that person from X" moments, really the only member of the crew that had a bonafide long running series credit to his name was Ron Glass (Barney Miller).

For myself, as much as the crew of Serenity is tattooed into my consciousness, Whedon created a masterpiece with with a virtually unknown cast before. There is no reason he couldn't do it again.

Moreover CGI has advanced light years in the past decade.

I'm by no means a Hollywood insider or even Californian for that matter. Heck I don't even live in the States so I'm speaking from hope and ignorance here. That said there's three ways to reduce costs there:

1) Have Whedon mentor his handpicked protege through the grunt work of the script writing process from the Producers Desk.

2) Comb the minor leagues for talented but unknown actors.

3) Hire yourself a very good CGI team for the more spectacular stuff. After The Avengers, you can't really say that CGI is a Whedon taboo.

You could even re-mold the next gen so it doesn't even involve a ship and crew. Imagine a cast that say, were the staff and regulars of a shady watering hole where all manner of wobbly schemes just past the wrong side of right got hatchified regular-like located on a Border Planet.

A comparison can be drawn to Star Trek DS:9, which was quite critically acclaimed even though it ran counter to the ship and crew model of it's predecessors.

Just my 2 cents.

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Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:04 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Zeek, I've always professed that a mini-series (for TV) made sense instead of a series, but that a movie could bring other possibilities.

Good idea!

SGG

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Originally posted by Zeek: I really wonder about a made for TV movie or mini-series. It seems like a good percentage of nerdy internet folks are at least casual fans of Firefly. I'd think just the announcement alone would set the internet on fire for a few weeks. The non-fans would have to wonder what it is everyone is suddenly so excited for. That should boost DVD sales and the movie or mini-series would be an event with a lot of buzz around it. I'd think that would be worth it. Maybe our fanbase isn't strong enough for an ongoing series, but I'd bet that most fans would tune in for a one night or one week event.

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Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:08 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

That actually was good FX, hot chick made it much more interesting. But I was disappointed overall with Tin Man. Still though, Firefly mini-series would kick ass.

SGG

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Originally posted by Zeek: anytime they want to show flying monkeys leap out of a hot chick's chest I'm there. I would definitely take a Serenity 2 with effects of that quality. Especially if we get the same air time as tin man. That got what like 6 hours of air time?
Tin Man was 3 episodes, 90 minutes each without commercials. Flying monkey tattoo of the Wicked Witch. Who gets the magical tattoo in Serenity II? Inara because she bares a lot of skin? River because she's weird and witchy? Kaylee because she's into tattoos? Or is it Jayne because he already has tattoos?

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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