FIREFLY AND SERENITY GUERILLA MARKETING

Organise the revolution-for all FF fans

POSTED BY: ANDUINE
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Monday, May 7, 2007 6:22 PM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by xardoz:
Maybe we can't bring it back. Maybe we can't move it forward to whatever the next incarnation may be. Maybe the cast and crew have moved on and wish we'd shut our big damn mouths about it.

But Joss and Tim are still alive. For me, their writing and direction were the soul of the 'Verse, and until they are pushing up daisies, I'll hold out hope.

This is not to disparage those who came before me and may have tired of the fight. I'm just here to help hold the line.

And if the battle's already lost, well, you'll get to say "I told you so" and too damn bad for me.



Ditto.

Why is the rum always gone?

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Monday, May 7, 2007 7:07 PM

ANDUINE


Quote:

Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
Quote:

Originally posted by xardoz:
Maybe we can't bring it back. Maybe we can't move it forward to whatever the next incarnation may be. Maybe the cast and crew have moved on and wish we'd shut our big damn mouths about it.

But Joss and Tim are still alive. For me, their writing and direction were the soul of the 'Verse, and until they are pushing up daisies, I'll hold out hope.

This is not to disparage those who came before me and may have tired of the fight. I'm just here to help hold the line.

And if the battle's already lost, well, you'll get to say "I told you so" and too damn bad for me.



Ditto.

Why is the rum always gone?




Couldnt have said it any better myself....

Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt

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Monday, May 7, 2007 7:28 PM

REDHEAD


okay, I've been off teaching class. Now I'm back and rarin' to go (before I hit the sack anyway). I don't know how good of a moderator I would be because I can't even figure out how to get to the dang chat room so I nominate either wolf or a vet fan.
1. Tell me what forums want my energy and I'm there.
2. I would be glad to draft a letter to Chris Regina at SciFi to find out what hurdles exist. Does anyone know address etc.?
3. I want to help with the Serenity events but I live 30 minutes from the nearest town---of 200. and an hour and a half from our big city of 26,000. Sooo what can I do from the boonies?

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Monday, May 7, 2007 7:48 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Canter:

What are the possibilities of asking Haken to make available the e-mail addresses of the thousands of members registered here for a once-off e-mail, calling them to arms? (in a manner of speaking) Would such an e-mail be considered an invasion of privacy and in contravention of the terms of use of this board?




Yes, it is an invasion of privacy. If it wasn't, you'd already have access to that info. I for one would be really pissed if some site gave out my email address. Hell, my friends don't without asking.

There is also an ethical question regarding this. Do you really want to spam people "calling them to arms?"

But, if you want to spam people without the invasion of privacy, all you need is a username list for this site (Haken would have to provide this as that page no longer works). Then you could send them a pm through this site (such functionality already exists).

But again, are you sure you want to do this?

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Monday, May 7, 2007 7:58 PM

REDHEAD


I can understand the no giving out email addresses but if, as I understand it, an email would be sent out to all members just pointing them to a thread or an announcement, would that really make people angry?

I'm pretty easygoing myself so I might just not be aware of problems that could ensue.

To paraphrase Kaylee: Whedon's Firefly is just so lush. I want to take a bite out of it all over, you know?

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Monday, May 7, 2007 7:58 PM

REDHEAD


oops 2 posts. I swear I only hit it once.
I'm the anti-Kaylee, machines hate me.

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Monday, May 7, 2007 10:00 PM

SIGMANUNKI


I hope this sounds as good being read as it does in my head i.e. it's about 4am here and I hope that I don't come off as a dick

Quote:

Originally posted by redhead:

I can understand the no giving out email addresses but if, as I understand it, an email would be sent out to all members just pointing them to a thread or an announcement, would that really make people angry?

I'm pretty easygoing myself so I might just not be aware of problems that could ensue.




Differentiating "good" spam from "bad" spam is a °very* slippery slope. Spam is also *very* illegal in some parts e.g. California (and they get *really* pissy when even an /accusation/ is made).

Even one email using someone's email address is still an invasion of privacy b/c /*they didn't give it to you* to use for this purpose/. Just b/c it's "only one" email does _not_ mean that this issue goes away. This is as well a slippery slope. Though the username pm thing mitigates this specific part.

Also, you're new so I won't expect you to know about the BDM fiasco which still surfaces from time to time***. But, some Browncoats actually believe that FF/S should end with the movie, some even that the movie itself was a mistake.

Basically, just b/c some find this campaign a "good cause" does _not_ mean that others will as well. Even when those others are Browncoats.


IMO it's best to organize /first/ by threads like these and/or mailing lists. Once things are ironed out (i.e. goals are made), then a word of mouth campaign could start to get people involved in the implementation (or how to go about doing that). If people are interested in participating, great. But, if they aren't, why pester them? Especially since it's guaranteed to piss a good number of people off (if only b/c of the spam thing).


*** Search the archives if you're interested:

http://fireflylabs.ca/misc/fffsearch.html

The Simon/River rescue is a good controversy starting point.

Please also keep in mind that the Wikipedia entry on this was written by someone with motivations to "prove" that there is no inconsistency. Actually, in general you shouldn't learn anything from the Wikipedia that is even remotely controversial for obvious reasons. At any rate, there is a plethora of posts to go through if you're so motivated. So, I doubt making up your mind about won't be difficult for lack of info reasons

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Monday, May 7, 2007 10:02 PM

ROY



Just wondering what folks would think of a monthly Email newspaper 2-4 pages hitting on main events, threads, sundries and such. A lot of folk don't have the time to wade through 100s of threads, but would still like a heads up every now and again. Needs contributers, editors and the like but can be done.

If at first we don't suceed, try, try, try again

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Browncoats, are you content to see Firefly in 2nd place or would you rather see it at #1. It won't happen unless you vote.
http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

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Monday, May 7, 2007 10:07 PM

WACKYNEPHEW


Couldn't someone just start an email group, direct people to it and explain that it's mainly for dissemination of info regarding this particular plan of action? An email group can be an extremely powerful tool to get the word at to many at once. What say you?

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html


"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

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Monday, May 7, 2007 10:22 PM

HOPEFUL


Hey sorry if this was decided and I missed it, but did we reach a decision of whether we want a revival of the series? Or a sequel?

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Monday, May 7, 2007 11:32 PM

TDBROWN


Hi... nice to see all this enthusiasm.

I had a lengthy discussion with FollowMal last night about our newest Project, and she gave me a link to this thread. She was right; There are a lot of Newbies on here that want to be proactive. That's so Shiny! If I can do anything to encourage this I will.

The Slightly Irregular Browncoats, my Crew over on serenitymovie.org , will be mobilizing for a new project on June First. It's gonna be called OPERATION SIGNAL BOOST, and is intended to (1)promote the Can't Stop The Serenity Screenings, and (2) will mainly be a Guerilla Marketing Campaign to promote awareness/sales of the Big Damn Collector's Edition. We will be encouraging all Browncoat Organizations, and all BCs everywhere to help us with this. Watch for more details soon, and if anyone wants to know more Early, just contact FollowMal or me!

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

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Monday, May 7, 2007 11:43 PM

MALSNARA


Ok then...this is one hell of a Shiny thread and I for one would greatly appreciate a monthly newsletter. However it may end up turning out like Still Flyin', which, while it was a brilliant fanzine, died after just a few editions. I am not a new Browncoat and I have been holding the line and sending the signal to them as needs to hear it for a long time now but I am not one of the very first Browncoats.

If there was a monthly newsletter then someone could start a thread on as many sites as possible where people could sign up to it. If people didn't want to post their email addresses where everybody could see it then they could send it to the newsletter organisers.

I think that the most likely thing to happen is a sequel to Serenity. We should push for that because it could lead onto other things. If anyone has doubts about the success or brilliance of the BDM then they should check out an earlier post where someone mentioned the awards that the BDM has picked up.

I'm glad basically that the early bickering and fighting amongst ourselves has fizzled out because we don't need it.

I hope that this time we can really do something, as time is running out and I humbly offer my services, such as they are. I would like to help with the newsletter if that were possible.

Oh...and I apologise for the length of this post

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 2:41 AM

REDHEAD


First of all SigmaNunki you sounded imminently reasonable. I definitely agree about not sending out posts willynilly but, after we know where we're going, couldn't we send out an update like:

"The Browncoats have mobilized and we want you to join. Click on this link and you will be added to our database to get a newsletter on how we are bringing back our BigDamnShow. Delete this email and no one will contact you again. Come to Fireflyfans.net for more info. See Thread blah blahblah."

also, I loved the search link. I bookmarked it. I've managed to use google once before on this site but it took me a bunch of tries.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 3:25 AM

ANDUINE


Bleedin brilliant! Man you people are busy late night!

Regrding an emailing. I've worked with major marketing campaigns and there are 3 ways of doing it that I know of-or have seen done.

1. Even though it's unrealistic to have this website or another give us a 1 time email list, what is usually done is that the sites will for reasons of either financial (you pay them for the list) or it coincides with their interest, do a one time email (from them) on your behalf.

2. Many of the sites (unless they tell you otherwise) do collect the email addresses and sell them off. Depending on the ethics of the site they will either sell them off to anyone asking or a list group to resell...or to groups that are like minded.

3. You just buy the email list from a list group. Same way as regular mailing lists are bought. Usually the easiest, but most expensive.

Now. Regarding a newsletter. My thoughts exactly. One of the first steps in organisation is to have a vehicle to communicate. These sites are one way but you get lost in the masses. Plus they're a good start as we can see already with this thread.

I'd say that if we do get some semblance of organisation and see how we start to work together (either as our own or by alliance with an existing group), a newsletter (no matter how small initially) is a fantastic place to start. Warning: Newsletters or fanzines can and do have a short life span for various reasons...but they are WORTH the effort.

Plus a newsletter can take on advertisers and therefore generate a bit of quid to further the cause. I'm NOT talking about lining anyones pockets here.

Given that at a glance we have already people here who have offered service... a media writer, web designer, fund raiser, printer (hard copy can be good), photographer, etc, etc., seems like a natural progression to me. And lets face it it mobilises quicker than waiting for them to come to you.

My big question though is are there ANY newsletter type pieces already out there dedicated to Serenity/FF?

Great posts everyone...KEEP them coming. Looks like some heads are starting to be turned by everyones enthusiasm! If nothing else you're making a few ripples that can turn into.....

Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt


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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 4:56 AM

MALSNARA


I'd like to do some writing for the newsletter if that would be possible. I don't want to steal anyone else's job here ...but I'd really like to do something like that.

I haven't heard of any other newsletters but there may be some, as I mentioned before there was a Fanzine but that isn't going anymore.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 5:55 AM

REDHEAD


Great. The more writers the better. That way we don't have to worry about burnout.

Who was the web page person? What do we need to set up a web page to put a newsletter on?

Would we want to print hard copies for distribution to video stores? Or maybe some kind of flyers recommending BDS/BDM?

I googled firefly newsletter and got:
Quote:

The outreach department of the Firefly WikiProject is a centralized work are for project recruitment and member interaction efforts. The major programs currently underway are a monthly project newsletter and a welcoming message for new members of the project; further ideas are always welcome, of course!

This was dated Aug.,2006. Seems like there is niche waiting to be filled.



To paraphrase Kaylee: Whedon's Firefly is just so lush. I want to take a bite out of it all over, you know?

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:00 AM

MALSNARA


The flyers is a good idea but wouldn't that cost us money to do? Money we ain't got?

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:04 AM

REDHEAD


I know it isn't much but I'd contribute $50 if the consensus seems to be that its a good idea. And I'd take flyers around to the 2 (yes 2) video stores in an hour radius of my house.

To paraphrase Kaylee: Whedon's Firefly is just so lush. I want to take a bite out of it all over, you know?

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:07 AM

CLJOHNSTON108


Quote:

Originally posted by redhead:
Can we get a list of a bunch of websites devoted to Sci-Fi...


Sci-Fi LINKS

Locus Online: Links Portal
http://www.locusmag.com/Links/Portal.html

LostCarPark
http://www.lostcarpark.com/links.php

Science Fiction Worlds of Jeffrey A. Carver -- Links
http://www.starrigger.net/links.htm

Links: Wormholes to Useful Sites
http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/links.htm

Science Fiction Links
http://www.scifidimensions.com/links.htm

ULTIMATE SCIENCE FICTION WEB GUIDE
http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateSF/SF-Index.html

Links of Interest to SF/F Writers and Fans
http://www.sfwa.org/links/

Asimov's Science Fiction - Links
http://www.asimovs.com/info/links.shtml

SpecFicWorld's Resource Directory
http://www.specficworld.com/writers.aspx

Science Fiction Links Part 1
http://www.testermanscifi.org/LinksPart1.html

Laurel's Science Fiction Links
http://ling.uta.edu/~laurel/sf.html

Science Fiction Links
http://www.sf-worlds.com/science-fiction-links.html


Sci-Fi BLOGS

SF Signal - A Science Fiction Blog (The editors LOVE Firefly!)
http://www.sfsignal.com/

Gravity Lens Weblog
http://www.baddaystudio.com/gravityblog.html

Incoming Signals: A Weblog
http://www.wherethreadscomeloose.com/links.html

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:12 AM

JAYHAWK35


I'm no Hollywood insider, but has anyone thought about a Variety (or other high-profile magazine) ad addressed this time to Universal, much like the Browncoats did when Firefly was canceled? I know it's a drop in the bucket as far as exposure goes, and the ads aren't cheap, but the clock is ticking for Universal to greenlight BDM2, and we could address that issue in the ad and once again, thank Universal for the BDM???

Just a thought.

Mark

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Book: "Quite specific. It is however somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps"

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:27 AM

REDHEAD


Actually, I think a high profile ad is what we should shoot for with the newsletter to raise money for it. What would be wonderful if we could time it to the Serenity screenings so that Equality Now would get a bump also.

To paraphrase Kaylee: Whedon's Firefly is just so lush. I want to take a bite out of it all over, you know?

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:54 AM

XARDOZ


I'd chip in $50 for a Variety "Thank you Universal, now how about Serenity II, pretty please?" ad.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 7:10 AM

ANDUINE


Quote:

Originally posted by xardoz:
I'd chip in $50 for a Variety "Thank you Universal, now how about Serenity II, pretty please?" ad.



Xardoz! I think you'd chip $50 for anything related to FF. But that's why were so glad to have met you!

Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 7:23 AM

REDHEAD


How about something like

"The fans of SERENITY thank Universal for their dedication to quality film.

Screenings of Serenity to benefit Equality Now will be

[list the places and times]

This film raises the bar for excellence:
[list awards.]

SERENITY: An action movie whose fans take action against injustice towards women. Now that's a concept!

Oh, and Universal, we want a sequel!"

Okay, rough but with some betas out there we could make it great.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 7:31 AM

XARDOZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Anduine:
Xardoz! I think you'd chip $50 for anything related to FF. But that's why were so glad to have met you!



Well, maybe not anything. I'd flat out refuse to buy Official Cattle Droppings from "Safe". Or the fake vomit Summer Glau chucked up in Serenity.

Unless they came with autographed certificates of authenticity, that is.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 7:38 AM

THEONETRUEBIX


FYI, I'm now working with the person who has been keeping people updated on the progress of Serenity going to the space station aboard STS-117 to get a dedicated site about it up.

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In the Portland of Oregon, Birthplace of the Global Charity Screenings Movement
PDX Browncoats, Film Action Oregon, and The Portland Mercury
present
Can't Stop The Serenity - Portland OR USA
June 22 & 23 @ the Hollywood Theatre
To Benefit Equality Now and the Women's Film Initiative
http://serenitynow.pdxbrowncoats.com/

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 7:44 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Roy:

Just wondering what folks would think of a monthly Email newspaper 2-4 pages hitting on main events, threads, sundries and such. A lot of folk don't have the time to wade through 100s of threads, but would still like a heads up every now and again. Needs contributers, editors and the like but can be done.

If at first we don't suceed, try, try, try again

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Browncoats, are you content to see Firefly in 2nd place or would you rather see it at #1. It won't happen unless you vote.






I'll contribute...If you want me to. I might make it a slightly interesting bad idea.........

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 9:15 AM

JAYHAWK35


I do like the idea of getting a Variety ad or whatever out there, but I think we need to be realistic and admit that it would almost be impossible to get it done before June 23rd. Unless we get lucky, and one very well off Browncoat donates the funds for it in one lump sum, it's going to take time to collect $$ for the ad, and then it has to be designed so it is an attention getter, and looks professional as well. Add to the fact that I'm sure there's a deadline for advertising entries, and we're pretty much out of luck.

I think it would make more sense to design an ad to thank Universal and to ask them for BDM2 with an estimated deadline of making it happen to coincide with the release of the special edition of the BDM on DVD.

Now, the first thing we need is for someone to contact some magazines like Variety (or possibly USA today?) and get some prices for full page ads. I'm afraid that we're going to find that the cost is beyond our means, but we won't won't know until we try. We'll also need some Browncoat graphic artists to possible design the ad for free for us, and we'll need to agree on the copy, etc.

Don't be afraid to post your thoughts. Hey, these are just ideas all of us are working on. We're just in the brainstorming phase...we're throwing ideas out there, and seeing what sticks.

I'd love to see this happen, but we'd have to really get organized, and get the majority of Browncoats behinds us with their support and some money.

Mark

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Book: "Quite specific. It is however somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps"

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 9:39 AM

SIGMANUNKI


@Anduine:

You're ignoring the ethical implications by making reference to people who already spam. The question is _not_ what other people do, it's whether it's right and whether we want to generate that image. IMO, being known to spam, if only each-other, isn't exactly a good image to have.

You're also ignoring another important fact about spam. Namely that it "works" /only/ when it's advertising a product that needs only a one time communication. So, for advertising purposes if one in a couple million works, then profit will typically be made.

BUT, what we're trying to do here is open a dialogue and get people on side. Spam is hardly an avenue to get that done. Not to mention that we hardly have a couple million emails to send to. The pretty much guaranteed outcome is that we piss off *far* more people than we get. And that's rather counter productive for our purposes here.


@Redhead:

Or one could just post a thread here and get it marked as "News Headlines" or some such.


It is no doubt that an ad in a high profile mag would bring about a fair amount of attention. But, one needs to think about what kind of attention that'd bring. IMO, it wouldn't exact be good en masse. After all, it's been how long since the show was cancelled and how long since the BDM came out? We already have a reputation of being delusional. Best not to fuel that.

Basically, we must consider how we look from that outside and let that guide our decisions. Because without outside support, anything we might try to accomplish will be doomed before it begins.



Please note that I'm not trying to poo-poo the ideas here. It just seems to me that people aren't considering the /con/ sides. Sure with any idea there will be pros. But, when one doesn't consider the cons bad things can happen. I guess you could say I'm doing some risk analysis.


IMO, anything that we might do has to "fly below the radar" until we get substantial support. That way, if the support is there, conversations will turn from, "Look at the delusional Browncoats" only, to continue, "But, there are so many people involved it isn't funny. And not just the die-hard fans either". Then things might get a second look.

Basically, critical mass is needed before public declarations are made. Otherwise, the most likely situation is that any movement we make will be written off out of hand. This has happened more than just once before. Let's not have history repeat itself again.



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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 10:11 AM

ANDUINE


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@Anduine:

You're ignoring the ethical implications by making reference to people who already spam. The question is _not_ what other people do, it's whether it's right and whether we want to generate that image. IMO, being known to spam, if only each-other, isn't exactly a good image to have.

You're also ignoring another important fact about spam. Namely that it "works" /only/ when it's advertising a product that needs only a one time communication. So, for advertising purposes if one in a couple million works, then profit will typically be made.

BUT, what we're trying to do here is open a dialogue and get people on side. Spam is hardly an avenue to get that done. Not to mention that we hardly have a couple million emails to send to. The pretty much guaranteed outcome is that we piss off *far* more people than we get. And that's rather counter productive for our purposes here.


@Redhead:

Or one could just post a thread here and get it marked as "News Headlines" or some such.


It is no doubt that an ad in a high profile mag would bring about a fair amount of attention. But, one needs to think about what kind of attention that'd bring. IMO, it wouldn't exact be good en masse. After all, it's been how long since the show was cancelled and how long since the BDM came out? We already have a reputation of being delusional. Best not to fuel that.

Basically, we must consider how we look from that outside and let that guide our decisions. Because without outside support, anything we might try to accomplish will be doomed before it begins.



Please note that I'm not trying to poo-poo the ideas here. It just seems to me that people aren't considering the /con/ sides. Sure with any idea there will be pros. But, when one doesn't consider the cons bad things can happen. I guess you could say I'm doing some risk analysis.


IMO, anything that we might do has to "fly below the radar" until we get substantial support. That way, if the support is there, conversations will turn from, "Look at the delusional Browncoats" only, to continue, "But, there are so many people involved it isn't funny. And not just the die-hard fans either". Then things might get a second look.

Basically, critical mass is needed before public declarations are made. Otherwise, the most likely situation is that any movement we make will be written off out of hand. This has happened more than just once before. Let's not have history repeat itself again.



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I agree! Thanks for the reality check. The only question I have is in regards to the spam and ethics comment to me? I dont think I made any mention of spamming. Or I'm guessing it's regarding my comments to buy an email list (which I dont think is as effective anyway).

But I especially like the comment about keeping under the radar until you've got something that will work and is credible and shiney.

But hey for everyone out there...this is just brainstorming. I think we're getting a bit of a pulse or barometer with all this. So keep the idea's BOTH pro and con flowing!!

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 10:19 AM

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I love this fan site, obviously. But I have to think that there are maybe 250 different people who visit a day and that's probably a stretch. However, from my experience that doesn't even touch the real base of fans.

In my own experience, I know 8 people besides myself And I've only been a fan 2 1/2 months) who would love to see the show come back--would pay money to see the show come back and none of them are ever going to come to this site unless they get an invite that piques their interest.

I'm guessing there are past fans who are registered at this site who no longer or rarely visit. Many would be glad to be informed of something they could do. Is one notice asking them to check out the site really offensive?

Sheesh, I get between 10 and 20 spams a day. Probably every month or so, I'll get one that interests me--usually from some site that I've registered on. I'd rather not get the rest but (other than the porn ones) they don't bother me much.

What is unethical about a one time advertisement --for something they have shown interest in?

Again, I'm probably clueless but...

To paraphrase Kaylee: Whedon's Firefly is just so lush. I want to take a bite out of it all over, you know?

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:00 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Anduine:

I agree! Thanks for the reality check. The only question I have is in regards to the spam and ethics comment to me? I dont think I made any mention of spamming. Or I'm guessing it's regarding my comments to buy an email list (which I dont think is as effective anyway).




I'm against sending out an unsolicited email, which is what you've been talking about (at least partially). This is the very definition of spam. So, you have been talking about sending out a spam email even if you believe it to be innocuous. As I've stated above, I find this an unethical thing to do, and I'm not alone in this opinion. There is an entire section of the IT industry working to prevent such things.

But, I must point out that I'm _only_ saying that this /idea/ is unethical. *Not* making any judgments on your character (I think that's what you were getting at, yes?).


Quote:

Originally posted by Anduine:

But I especially like the comment about keeping under the radar until you've got something that will work and is credible and shiney.




Thanks


Quote:

Originally posted by Anduine:

But hey for everyone out there...this is just brainstorming. I think we're getting a bit of a pulse or barometer with all this. So keep the idea's BOTH pro and con flowing!!




Indeed!

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:14 AM

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Simanuki,

Ok. Thanks for clarifying. Personally I agree with you on unsolicited email anyway. So thanks for making it a point. It's good one.

cheers

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:26 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by redhead:

I love this fan site, obviously. But I have to think that there are maybe 250 different people who visit a day and that's probably a stretch. However, from my experience that doesn't even touch the real base of fans.




Very true.


Quote:

Originally posted by redhead:

In my own experience, I know 8 people besides myself And I've only been a fan 2 1/2 months) who would love to see the show come back--would pay money to see the show come back and none of them are ever going to come to this site unless they get an invite that piques their interest.




That's where word of mouth comes in.


Quote:

Originally posted by redhead:

I'm guessing there are past fans who are registered at this site who no longer or rarely visit. Many would be glad to be informed of something they could do. Is one notice asking them to check out the site really offensive?




Yes.

But, I'm going to have to point out that you're assuming that /most/ people would be happy to get such a message. Are you sure that's a good assumption? B/c not many people are participating in this thread. Even relative to the estimate that 100 different people visiting this site daily.


Quote:

Originally posted by redhead:

Sheesh, I get between 10 and 20 spams a day. Probably every month or so, I'll get one that interests me--usually from some site that I've registered on. I'd rather not get the rest but (other than the porn ones) they don't bother me much.




Spam being common place is _no_ justification to further the problem. Also, those site usually (if they're ethical) have a check box that when checked, means you opt in. This is typically checked by default on registration and usually goes unnoticed during registration. You can typically turn it off in user settings after registration though.


Quote:

Originally posted by redhead:

What is unethical about a one time advertisement --for something they have shown interest in?




It's unsolicited. I did mention that it's also illegal in several places, yes? People don't make such things illegal if people don't mind them.

Again, there /will be/ a difference between what you call worthy emails and what others think. Are you willing to take the risk of alienating people? Especially since every piece of evidence says that most people will get pissy or ignore? And it's those pissy people that can cause some real damage to any campaign. Even if they are a very small percentage.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:32 AM

ANDUINE


Also sorry for hacking your handle.

Time for a recap and focus. Also have been getting pm's from some of the group. Fantastic comments!

I will just try and go through the points that got the most reaction that I have noticed.

Have gotten quite few enthused discussions regarding putting together a newsletter. This is a brilliant discussion. And personally I think it may fill a huge gap.

A lot of talk about posting an ad. Perhaps there's something already being done we can throw weight behind.

Email campaign to get a FF marathon on SciFi. This is something in the works we can get organised behind. The benefits are massive, plus we'd all like to see it anyway.

And of course ultimately what can be done to get the series picked up and/or sequel to the BDM.

Lastly what can be done to support what's out there.

I think that at least covers the major topics. Everything else can fairly much fall within those. If I've missed anything let us know.

This thread is going beyond what I had imagined. So keep it coming!!! I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I've learned a great deal and met some absolutely brilliant people.

I'm just tossing all of this out so we dont get bogged down.

Steps are in process to organise. More later.

cheers!






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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Anduine:

Simanuki,

Ok. Thanks for clarifying. Personally I agree with you on unsolicited email anyway. So thanks for making it a point. It's good one.

cheers




Good good


Regarding the mailing list. Here http://www.freelists.org/ is a place where we could get one going. That is if people agree on having a mailing list

But, even if a mailing list is created, we should post progress updates at the forums from time to time. Might catch new people with them as well if they see progress is being made

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:46 AM

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Its great seeing the idea for a newsletter being bounced around, but I would like to point you guys in the direction of

The Cortex
http://community.livejournal.com/the_cortex/

The Signal
http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/

and the news sections found on all of the main Firefly boards,including this very board.

While not everyone visits these forums daily, I can assure you that word of mouth does spread. Last year a "Buy Date" was set and brought Firefly annd Serenity into Amazon's top ten, I could not find a single set of Firefly or Serenity on the shelf in any store I checked all over town, and I can assure you there were empty places where the discs had stood.


I want to say welcome to the new folks and its soo wonderful to see such enthusiasm, I wanted to pipe up and let you know that us "veterans" are still holding the line, Welcome to Serenity Valley, you folks are our Angels.

Please check out what this fanbase has done in the past, and I Assure you there are multiple projects in the work all over our 'verse.

Keep Flying and Stay shiny!

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:56 AM

ANDUINE


Red and Sigmanuki,

Also I do want to point out that while I think that unsolicited email isnt outrageous and does have it's mertits, I don't have an opinion on the ethics of it. Sorry, just never much gave it a thought.

However my point is that you get a much more effective list by building it through buy in by your audience. In other words if I sign up or toss over my email I'm more likely to read and respond to something I get.

Your site (Sigma) is a good source for building. Any fan site dedicated to FF is also another forum for the interest. ONCE something is established and we've got something to show.

For myself I'll be happy for 12 good people that will commit to sifting, discussing, organising, and acting on a solid plan. Looks like we have that at the very least outta this thread.

In a year from now we could be burned out. As has been mentioned this is another push like so many that have gone on before. That's what endears me to all of us Browncoats, is that after years we still keep trying, and trying, and trying. I noticed on the SciFi forum there were alot of comments about how this fan base is extremely hard core. Stargate was beat out by FF as the best show on their OWN website!

And each time we push a bit more happens. Like a movie. And each time we burn out another comes along to do it again...and again.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:07 PM

REDHEAD


Yep and those are great sites (I didn't know about the Cortex but I've bookmarked and will be a regular). However, we need a way to reach people who don't check on the sites but are interested in the actual BDS/BDM without being the kind of people who check in regular.

Looks like there are some serious objections to emailing inactive members-- so what else can we do?

We need some publicity and the screenings are bound to give some but what can we do to increase public awareness of the shows?

Actually I think we have a shot at upping the public's awareness of Serenity with the BBC poll
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6517155.stm

I was impressed by the British people's response to the SFX poll. Maybe we would get some similar response. BBC is mainstream and respected. Even a throwaway poll like this could get us quite a bit of attention if we won. However the vote count looks down again. Leadb would probably be able to give the particulars on that.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:09 PM

ANDUINE


Thanks Artcat! Good links.

You're right. There's tons bein done out there and many have held the line before. Massive thanks to all of them and yourself.

We're working on the best way to funnel this enthusiasm, and we've some plans.

One last bit. In both sites am I correct that this is by visit only and not a send out type newsletter (electronically or othrwise)? And the Cortex listed itself as a 'closed' community?

Thnaks for your excellent comments!!

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:20 PM

WACKYNEPHEW


At the very least,we may come up with a blueprint on how to organize a campaign to get the attention of "the powers that be" that is based on successful past campaigns and could be used for other shows in trouble like Drive. Always keeping in mind that it is advertising dollars and Nielsen boxes that rule here.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:49 PM

FLYVOTE


Some funny-looking sumabitch came up with a program called "FlyVote". It is a program that runs on a Windows/Mac/Linux box and assists in voting for internet polls. The main one is TV_Vote. You can vote for Firefly once every hour. So the FlyVote program pops up every hour and brings up the page to vote on. An additional feature of the program is to point people to charity sites that are important to Browncoats and the Big Damn Heros.

(The Flyvote program helped push Firefly in to the #2 position on that particular poll.)

Two things occur to me.

First:

There is strength and honor in the propensity of Browncoats to support charities. Goodworks sent money to Nathan Fillion's theatre group IN THE NAME OF BROWNCOATS. Would that convert people there to Browncoats? Hell, yes. Charity done in the name of Browncoats puts us in a fantastic light and spawns interest in Firefly/Serenity.

Positive efforts on our parts for the community as much as for Firefly.

Second:

The efforts needs "branding". Call this renewed effort "'Verse Rebirth". Create a simple graphic for 'Verse Rebirth. The letterhead for the list would have this graphic. The web site would have this graphic. Make viral videos promoting Firefly/Serenity that begin and end with this graphic and the web address. Podcasts to mention 'Verse Rebirth. The FlyVote program rebranded to support 'Verse Rebirth. Banners for 'Verse Rebirth. A uniform and bold/powerful look.

Hand out business cards with the 'Verse Rebirth logo, pointer to web site and text explanation at conventions. Provide the graphics and a file for printing the business cards as a download from the web site so that people can print their own. Hand them to friends/family.

Brand the 11thHour posters with the 'Verse Rebirth identity. Print posters, let people print their own to hang. Make stickers to put on Firefly DVDs and donate then to libraries (well, more).

This new effort certainly needs unity of purpose, but it needs to be easily identified. It needs all of us communicating well and being organized. Centralized web site, organized plan, and effective dissemination of information all under a unified look.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:57 PM

MURKYMERC


I don't want to add negativity here, because you all are so cute with your little revolution. It seems like we all go through this. Discover the 'verse through Serenity (except for you elite ones who saw the series first), go through the DVDs of the series, the sorrow of realizing that there is nothing left to watch, come here with some organized way to bring it back, finally acceptance. Frankly, I hope you pull it off and I was here to see it, however there are a few things you are going to have to consider.

1. That actors and actresses have gone on with their lives and might be unwilling to come back to it for fear of it making it appear that they are only good for playing those characters. Not to mention, the whole experience must burn a little for them.

2. The miracle was having a movie made from a failed TV show that most of the world has never hard of. Despite all the spirit we have here, very few movie studios would be likely to make that much of an investment again, given the results last time. Simply put, there are just more profitable places to invest their money and time. They thought they were going to reap big last time, and it just didn’t work out.

3. A lot of time has past, 5 years from the series, 2 years since the movie. The reality is that that is a long time in between and things have gotten cold.

4. Joss wrapped up a lot of the hanging stories lines. They would have to find some new direction to go that would be compelling enough for another series or movie.

That’s what you are up against. That being said....give 'em hell.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 1:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Murkymerc:
I don't want to add negativity here, because you all are so cute with your little revolution. It seems like we all go through this. Discover the 'verse through Serenity (except for you elite ones who saw the series first), go through the DVDs of the series, the sorrow of realizing that there is nothing left to watch, come here with some organized way to bring it back, finally acceptance. Frankly, I hope you pull it off and I was here to see it, however there are a few things you are going to have to consider.

That’s what you are up against. That being said....give 'em hell.



Hope springs eternal in cutesy revolutions.

Well. I imagine that, in part, is the definition of being a fan....





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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 1:47 PM

PROTOTYPE7


*** Apology for length ***
Hello to everyone here... obviously, I'm new to the board and pretty new to my fandom for Serenity/Firefly. But I must say, I have been infected on a massive level with a love for this franchise!

I have seen many many good ideas on this thread to help bring about a new incarnation of the verse. I did want to share some of my ideas and see what you all think.

First I wanted to comment on one of the ideas thrown out already. I really dig the idea of donating the movie to your local library! I think that's a super cool way to get people into it. Plus, if they're renting from a library they will probably do some research on it if they enjoy it.

Here is what I propose. Everybody knows that there are numerous fan sites for Serenity/Firefly. And it would be great to coordinate them all in this effort. The only problem is that it is VERY difficult to do that across many different websites effectively. I think one of the main goals should be to setup a website all it's own dedicated to another movie/series. Come up with a name for it that is super easy to remember... "bringbackserenity.com" , "saveserenity.com" or somesuch. I'm sure we could find a pretty good deal on webhosting and it shouldn't be that expensive even if only a handful of people wanted to chip in. You could have a forum of course, and an online petition for the new movie. If the site can pick up some steam you might even be able to get some sponsors on there.
Once the site is up then it could be up to all of us to put the word out on all those other sites as to where people can go to help. A one-stop shop so to speak. We can post info on other boards, forums, chat-rooms etc.
Another nice thing about having one outlet for this effort is that it's much easier to put out a press release for our site. News companies are always looking for soft-stories to fill up their time. And while adds in national magazines are expensive it would be far less expensive for people to run half-page or fullpage adds in their LOCAL newspaper. I know it doesn't get as much coverage but if alot of people in alot of cities did this, it could start to pay off.
If we had one central website for the effort it would also be a sinch to have flyers for the site distributed at all of the Serenity Screenings comming up this summer. Someone with some technical savvy might even be able to make a tiny trailer to show before the movie... something small but effective.

I'm sure there are a million other ways to get the word out but here's my point. Once the summer has been spent to try to gain numbers, we send a press release to Universal when they release the Special Edition, pointing them toward the "save serenity" site.
I just think that there should be one central place that anyone in the world can go to show their support for another movie or series. It's not to try to take away from all the shiny sites like this one, it's just to get everyone... forgive the expression... unified in the cause.
I also feel that any communication attempt made between the fans and a corporate entity would be taken a little more seriously if it comes from a central point and not from a handful of different fansites across the cortex.

Feel free to let me know what you think about my idea. I think it will be interesting to have input from some of the vets here as well as all the new faces such as myself. And thanks for having such a wonderful place for us to discuss such a wonderful creation!

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 2:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by prototype7:

"bringbackserenity.com" , "saveserenity.com" or somesuch. I'm sure we could find a pretty good deal on webhosting and it shouldn't be that expensive even if only a handful of people wanted to chip in.




Godaddy.com has hosting at about $4/month. I have my site hosted there and have had no problems. They also have software (e.g. for forums, blogging, etc) there that can be installed at (I believe) no extra charge.

But I *really* think that it is a mistake to publicize something before critical mass is obtained. B/c if this is done, people will just see 10 or so people making a lot of noise. Not exactly a good thing.


Regarding the centralized site. Although in principle this is a good idea, there are a lot of people who don't want to register for yet another site. With that in mind perhaps it could be a meeting point for the organizers on each individual site and to display progress.

Basically, each site has a couple people that will discuss with other people from other sites at this one point. They could split up the work and then go back to there respective sites to get the "worker bees" going. At the very least, it should minimize overlap.

Thoughts?

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 2:46 PM

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Quote:



Hope springs eternal in cutesy revolutions.

Well. I imagine that, in part, is the definition of being a fan....


Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt



Which, my friend, is why I am down for anything you all want to do. It's also why I keep coming here to see if there is anything I need to get onboard with. I just think the first part of any revolution is to identify your enemies and your obstacles and your revolution has many of both.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 3:19 PM

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To think, I've been fighting since it's cancellation, did the guerilla marketing, donated dvd's to the library, loaned them out, even tried to get my local radio and tv networks to do a story on the show, yet now that after 5 long years of fighting I've come to accept the reality of it all I'm not a true Browncoat. What am I then?

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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 3:22 PM

XARDOZ


I don't know that this is so much a "revolution", as much as it could be considered a "troop surge," or "resumption of hostilities."

A willful incursion into Fox's "no-fly zone," maybe?



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Tuesday, May 8, 2007 4:09 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


However, we need a way to reach people who don't check on the sites but are interested in the actual BDS/BDM without being the kind of people who check in regular.




I am sorry, but you are completely missing the point that Sig and ArtCat and perhaps even OneTrue have been making -not even taking into account that spamming is unethical and possibly illegal - it ISN'T necessary. There are several people who DO frequent this forumn that also frequent others. If something happens on one board you can be damn sure we here will know about it within minutes and vice versa. There is a lot of give and take between us. If you are attempting to mobilize Browncoats all you need to do is post it here and have it disseminated to other sites. IT WORKS. We did it with Summer of Serenity (Jesus Lord lets NOT repeat the crap that went on last year). It worked with OneTrues Equality Now screenings. It WORKS.


Sorry all, but I see us careening down the slippery slope that was the infighting with Summer of Serenity and I will be very sorry to see that happen.


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