Political speculation on FIREFLY by reginaroadie

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Political speculation on FIREFLY

POSTED BY: REGINAROADIE
UPDATED: Thursday, April 7, 2005 13:51
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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:01 AM

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Originally posted by zoid:

Hero:

And what's wrong with nude journalism? Mmmm... Katie Couric.

How bought Dan Rather?

Actually I appreciate the nude journalism concept. American journalism dominates the world (along with the BBC, who have a fine tradition even if they turned corrupt in the '90s). Canadian journalism dominates pay per view.

H

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:07 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:

I have done more research than even I care to admit on the War for Southern Independence and it seems that historical fact and History seldom coincide.

Its the War of Northern Aggression.

H

I know. I was trying to be nice for the Northern Browncoats.

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:11 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:

I have done more research than even I care to admit on the War for Southern Independence and it seems that historical fact and History seldom coincide.

Its the War of Northern Aggression.

H

I know. I was trying to be nice for the Northern Browncoats.

I live in Ohio. So unless we're worried about the Canadians (and who does...), it doesn't get more northern Yankified then these parts.

H

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:12 AM

ZOID

Regarding the subject of nude journalism, Hero wrote:

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How bought Dan Rather?...

Well, I don't swing that way; but how about a compromise solution between Dan and Katie: Joan Rivers. I mean, who can tell at this point?

You know the old saying: "When it's snowing down under, it's summertime in the northern hemisphere."

I'm not even sure what I meant when I said that; but, it's subtly disquieting, so I'll stick with it...

Emetically,

-zed

P.S.
And it would be the perfect salve for wounded nationalistic pride if Joan happened to be Canadian. Does anyone know? I'm pretty sure Ms. Rivers is a Democrat, but perhaps we could put her in a red teddy before she strips for the 'journalism' part of the show?

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:23 AM

RAT

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
the War for Southern Independence.

Its the War of Northern Aggression.

It's The War Between the States!

-Ratboy

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 AM

XENOCIDE

Don't think Mal's a republican at all. Being an athiest (or at least an enemy of god ;-) Maybe in the old days, when the Repubs were 'the party of ideas' but not now that they are the party of dogmas. More a libertarian.

I could see zoe as an old school (edited) republican, solid hard hitting gal. Though I don't believe she'd think much of their attack on women's rights, she was in the infantry after all.

Kaylee always struck me as a Kansas progressive.

And until the state took his sister I'd have pegged the doc as a Republican too.

Wash definitely struck me as a Dem. Way too much sense of humor to be any of the republican's I know.

I think Inara, unless there's a space whore party, is probably a political agnostic. Just to sensual and present for politics.

And book, Either he's a sneaky CIA republican or a bleeding heart democrat. I mean look how he loves to keep bullets away from evil folk. The CIA bit just goes with my personal asessment of Books history.

And Zed, PB isn't a troll in the current common sense, but Ratboy seems to be naught more than name calling flamebait on this thread. Thoughtful republicans? I've met a few in the Club for Growth, but I've met way more who are moral totalitarians and simpletons to boot. Of course, same goes for the Dems...

-Eli

If voting mattered, they'd make it illegal.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:12 AM

RAT

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Originally posted by xenocide:
Ratboy seems to be naught more than name calling flamebait on this thread.

That's like people who say "I hate Southerners 'cause they're all a bunch of bigots."!

-Ratboy

edit- Looking back over the thread, I'v not called anyone any names! You on the other hand...

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:23 AM

P1NKISPUNK

They're off the agenda! Thank Christ (apologies for all the blaspheming) I was really worrying about us moving into a 'Big Brother State.'

I'm seriously considering the Liberal Democrats at the moment, but what worries me is that if a few people go over to the Liberal Democrats, then there's a chance the Conservaties might get in! *Shudders*

Anyhow, in relation to Firefly I think politics should stay out of it. Just seems to warp my views of characters a little, And like someone said above

Good = thoughtful rebulicans, thoughtful democrats

Bad = ignorant republics, ignorant democrats

"This mummy hand has ceased to exist! It is an ex-mummy hand!"

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:03 PM

SUPERANT

Politics = good
Name calling = bad

Anyway, here is how I peg the Firefly crew:

Mal, Jayne
conservative - Know what is right

Inara, Wash
liberals - Everyone is free in the pursuit of happiness, in however they might find it

Book
Has a complete, structured belief system that states clearly what is right and what is wrong, but also has compassionate, forgiveness and love of friends that can modify those strong beliefs.

Kaylee
Doesn't think much about right and wrong, Wants to love everyone. But if someone is "bad" and needs to be removed from the 'Verse, then so be it. Like a spaceship engine, some parts might just be broken and can't be fixed.

Simon
Very intellectual, decides everything on a individual basis. Probably not good in a battle, but a good person to plan the battle.

Zoe
Thinks that everyone should be free to do their own thing and go their own way. But if that other person threatens her or her friends, she will cut their carotid artery.

Serenity the ship
This is an inanimate object so it does not have intentions in its actions. It has a design function of keeping the inhabitants safe and transporting them from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time. If it becomes damaged and threatens the lives of the crew members, it is not from any bad intent, it merely responds to internal or external conditions. It can be coerced to function in ways not designed by wiring changes and extreme piloting, like when it reversed direction and flew toward the Reaver ship instead of away as it was designed to do.

River
Somewhat like the ship. She has been modified with a certain intent by her designers. But different than the ship in that she is a human that can choose what path to take and how to change her destiny.

Reavers = Bad dudes, their morality is so unlike that of normal society that we will not try to understand, but just call it amorality.

Superant

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:59 PM

AERADIA

This whole thread cracks me up. It reminds me of people tying up their self worth in their careers. Dude, I just work here.

As to America, I take no responsibility or credit for her past. I'm 30. I wasn't around when the Civil War occured. And though America had a bit to do with building the ISS, I'm sure my little self had no responsibilty or credit due for that either. I have only the power (limited thought it may be by the electoral college and the power of the politcal lobby) to try and change the future. Dude, I just live here.

As to the crews' political party... I think if you asked any of them what political party they belonged to they wouldn't give a rat's a**. They're traveling around on a spaceship trying to stay away from pretty much EVERYBODY. I don't get the impression that any of them like any sort of government.

Rae

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:14 PM

ZOID

aeradia:
Brava!

I get the distinct impression that Malcolm Reynolds would dispatch any politician that had the bad judgement to set foot aboard Serenity, with the same alacrity he displayed with Dobson at the end of the pilot. Regardless the politician's partisan affiliation.

I often fantasize what might have happened, had the show stayed on the air. Perhaps some of our passengers would have left the ship. Inara certainly indicated as much. Then we'd have gotten new passengers, itinerant travelers who stick around for a show or two before reaching their destination and disembarking.

In such fantasies, I imagine a lawyer securing a berth for a trip to one of the Rim Worlds, where he plans on setting up a personal injury practice.

Alas, we'll never know. Not because the show got cancelled; but, because Mal would shove him out of the airlock as soon as they broke atmo. And none of the other crew would bat an eyelash, not even Book...

Apolitically,

zoid

P.S.
I think I can figure out the political affiliations of all the posters here, based strictly on the 'noble' attributes they ascribe to the characters. Very transparent and self-serving.

_________________________________________________

"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:30 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Am I the only one who thinks it's odd that currently Republicans are after a constitutional amendment to limit states rights and Democrats are trying to balance the budget?

I honestly think that the political distinctions have crumbled to the point that you can not place any faith in them.

Republicans are trying to lessen the rights of states; Republicans are trying to increase the rights of states. That in itself is enough to make classifying a person based on party sort of useless.

When the same group of people vote for Republicans in the senate, Democrats in the house, and an independent as governor it just gets hard to say which party someone is in.

-

In a poll four years ago 90% of Americans said they supported freedom of speech completely, 60% of those same Americans said they didn’t think certain people should be allowed to speak (at all.) They tended to base this on political party. That means that at least 50% of those polled both support and oppose free speech at the same time.

In America politics is fluid. When less than 25% of eligible voters vote for a person it is now a universal mandate.

The truth is it’s a headache.

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:20 AM

XENOCIDE

Edited to add "Responding to rat, who claimed not to be a name caller."

No of course not, you simply implied that there was no such thing as a thoughtful democrat which amounts to the same thing. It's your MO. Pop in call people who disagree with you stupid, occasionally say something interesting. More than I can say for conscience but...

-Eli

If voting mattered, they'd make it illegal.

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:08 AM

RAT

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Originally posted by xenocide:
you simply implied that there was no such thing as a thoughtful democrat which amounts to the same thing.

Oh, I'm sorry! I thought you meant individuals on this thread. You on the other hand, called me "Name Calling Flamebait" to my face(so to speak)!

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Originally posted by xenocide:
occasionally say something interesting.

What did I say that you found so interesting??

-Ratboy

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 11:55 AM

CHRISISALL

Namecallin' COOL!

Rat, you're nonsequitorius!!

Ha- jus' TRY an' recover from that one!

Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:20 PM

RAT

Huh?

-Ratboy

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:39 PM

CHRISISALL

You can't, right? No recovery for you. I blew you outta the water with that one! Ohh I can nail 'em, can't I? I am the NAMECALLIN' KING!!

Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 1:00 PM

CHRISISALL

Okay, sorry, Rat. Jus' pokin' at ya a little, havin' some childish fun at your expence.
To get back at ya for the 'ain't no thoughtful Democrats' thing y'all posted a while back.
'Sokay, though. Young persons such as yourself often lack the perspective and objectivity they will gain in later years.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 1:30 PM

RAT

Why would you get back at me? I thought you weren't a Republican or a Democrat, I thought you said you were a "Spooky"!!

-Ratboy

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 1:51 PM

CHRISISALL

This is my plum silly day, Rat. I have 'em from time to time is all.

The paranoid and conspiracy plagued Chrisisall

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