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what if FireFly lived?

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Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:58 PM

FREDRICKBANTING


What would happen if Fire Fly would have gotten past season 1. I have no doubt by then the fan base would have been enough to keep it on the air. Maybe it could have gone to like season 5 or 6. Hey common Star Gate is like at season 8 and that show.... well isn't very good. Thats just my opinion, I'll watch it if Star Gate is on. But Firefly had soo mcuh more... Like a story and good character we could love.

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Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:44 PM

MILT


coulda shoulda woulda

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Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:56 PM

BELASERA


Both Firefly and Stargate are one word. One word.

"I'll be in my bunk."

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Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:10 PM

RAT


But if you capitalize first letter of the second word it's OK.
(i.e. StarGate, FireFly )

-Ratboy

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Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:21 PM

FULLCAPACITY


Most successful shows in the 22 episode a season format tend to peak around season 3 - season 4. After that I think you have a hard time keeping a cast together (opportunities open up elsewhere and raises might make it prohibitive to keep everyone) and alot of storylines close themselves off.

If you watch any British television on BBC America, etc, you'll find that most of their shows run 2 maybe 3 seasons and end on a feature length special (i.e. The Office)

If Firefly had survived, I would have wanted it to last 4 seasons max. If you've seen the way some Fox shows have ended ( X Files, 90210, etc) limping out the door, its kind of sad. Mind you, for the cast and creator, I got no problem with them cashing out as long as they can. A job is a job. But storywise, I think most shows can't do much after their fourth season.

Full Capacity

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Monday, January 24, 2005 3:56 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Had the show not gotten the axe by Fox, I have no doubt it would still be on the air now. Given a chance to find a nitch and free of the mishandling of tv execs who have no idea of the depth of the show Firefly would have become a hit.



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Monday, January 24, 2005 7:35 AM

RAPTOR


Quote:

Originally posted by FullCapacity:
Most successful shows in the 22 episode a season format tend to peak around season 3 - season 4. After that I think you have a hard time keeping a cast together (opportunities open up elsewhere and raises might make it prohibitive to keep everyone) and alot of storylines close themselves off.

If you watch any British television on BBC America, etc, you'll find that most of their shows run 2 maybe 3 seasons and end on a feature length special (i.e. The Office)

If Firefly had survived, I would have wanted it to last 4 seasons max. If you've seen the way some Fox shows have ended ( X Files, 90210, etc) limping out the door, its kind of sad. Mind you, for the cast and creator, I got no problem with them cashing out as long as they can. A job is a job. But storywise, I think most shows can't do much after their fourth season.




not if the show had been planned out ahead of time. a good plan, with a good end strategy, can keep up a shows good feel for as long as the creator/s want it to.

I do love stargate with a passion, but it has no end strategy. leaving it open for a pointless and anticlimatic ending. or worse, a cliffhanger ending.

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Monday, January 24, 2005 7:35 AM

RAPTOR


Quote:

Originally posted by FullCapacity:
Most successful shows in the 22 episode a season format tend to peak around season 3 - season 4. After that I think you have a hard time keeping a cast together (opportunities open up elsewhere and raises might make it prohibitive to keep everyone) and alot of storylines close themselves off.

If you watch any British television on BBC America, etc, you'll find that most of their shows run 2 maybe 3 seasons and end on a feature length special (i.e. The Office)

If Firefly had survived, I would have wanted it to last 4 seasons max. If you've seen the way some Fox shows have ended ( X Files, 90210, etc) limping out the door, its kind of sad. Mind you, for the cast and creator, I got no problem with them cashing out as long as they can. A job is a job. But storywise, I think most shows can't do much after their fourth season.




not if the show had been planned out ahead of time. a good plan, with a good end strategy, can keep up a shows good feel for as long as the creator/s want it to.

I do love stargate with a passion, but it has no end strategy. leaving it open for a pointless and anticlimatic ending. or worse, a cliffhanger ending.

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Monday, January 24, 2005 8:03 AM

SIMONWHO


The thing is, several shows have a long term plan but unfortunately, this rarely works well with a network because they can either a) cut you off before you have a chance to finish properly (The Tripods), b) threaten to cut you off before you have a chance to finish properly but then give you the final season you wanted after you have already used up your storylines (Babylon 5), c) cut you off and then give you only a mini series to tie things up or d) let you run the full course of your show's inventiveness and freshness then demand another season. Then another. Then another. (X Files, Buffy).

Whereas with Stargate, it doesn't really matter. It can carry on as long as they can come up with interesting individual plots.

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Monday, January 24, 2005 9:32 AM

BADGERSHAT


I suspect that Joss had a definite plan for Firefly, reaching across multiple seasons (much like he did with Buffy and Angel).

I think he would've made major changes to the show around season 3 or 4, just like Buffy. Maybe he'd have spun off a character, or even made a prequel series (I'd LOVE to see what the war was like, and what Jayne was up to prior to our favorite show).

I think that, when the natural end came to pass, the cast would like significantly different than it does now.

--Jefé The Hat

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Monday, January 24, 2005 9:47 AM

BELASERA


No, it isn't ok. Firefly is one word. Under no cicumstance is it permissable to insert random capital letters into a single word. There is no reason at all to capitalise the secong f. Same thing with Stargate. It isn't Star Gate, it is, again, one word. Just because there are two root words at play, here, does not make it ok to break them up like that. Don't go fiddling with the laws of grammer just bacause it's science fiction, people.

"I'll be in my bunk."

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Monday, January 24, 2005 9:53 AM

MALICIOUS


I have one word for you:

MasterCard.

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

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Monday, January 24, 2005 10:03 AM

RAT


Thank you Mal-Licious!

-RatBoy

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Monday, January 24, 2005 10:13 AM

MALICIOUS


DaNada.

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

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Monday, January 24, 2005 10:16 AM

RAT


SenSurround.

-RatBoy

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Monday, January 24, 2005 11:19 AM

OLDFAN45


Quote:

Originally posted by BadgersHat:
I suspect that Joss had a definite plan for Firefly, reaching across multiple seasons (much like he did with Buffy and Angel).

I think he would've made major changes to the show around season 3 or 4, just like Buffy. Maybe he'd have spun off a character, or even made a prequel series (I'd LOVE to see what the war was like, and what Jayne was up to prior to our favorite show.



This is what happened in the Star Trek universe, and almost forty years later there are still folks who watch/love/obsess over each of its franchises.

May FireFly (nyah) have such success.

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Monday, January 24, 2005 11:31 AM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


Quote:

Originally posted by FullCapacity:

If you watch any British television on BBC America, etc, you'll find that most of their shows run 2 maybe 3 seasons and end on a feature length special (i.e. The Office)



In the main its because British TV doesn't generally contract its players in for any period of time - and a fair number of them end up moving on (witness Spooks/MI5 which undergoes an almost entire re-jig of the cast as the initial members go off to seek out Hollywood or American TV).

Its both a strength and a weakness of British TV - they are spending a long time on the new episodes of Doctor Who, but the production schedule is nothing like as tight as a US show - I'm not sure that aside from soaps, many or any UK shows operate on essentially a one week/one episode format.

"I threw up on your bed"

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Monday, January 24, 2005 12:02 PM

REEQUEEN


I think that's StarTrek.

"He has a gorm horizon. All gorm that falls past it is lost forever." UserFriendly http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050114

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Monday, January 24, 2005 12:06 PM

OLDFAN45


Ahhh, the sarcasmalicious ReeQueen...welcome as the rains in Spain!


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Monday, January 24, 2005 1:08 PM

MALICIOUS


Quote:

Originally posted by oldfan45:
sarcasmalicious



Excuse me? Are you using my name in vain?

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

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Monday, January 24, 2005 1:20 PM

OLDFAN45


Perish forbid, MalLicious, that I or any other should use your name in vain! "Sarcasmalicious" is a term of endearment to me, one accorded a very very few. Like your own bonny sobriquet, a creation that suits its wearer(s).

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Monday, January 24, 2005 1:32 PM

MALICIOUS


(Mal-Licious sniffs disdainfully)

Well, keep it to a minimum, willya?

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

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Monday, January 24, 2005 2:00 PM

OLDFAN45


Quote:

Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Quote:

Originally posted by FullCapacity:

If you watch any British television on BBC America, etc, you'll find that most of their shows run 2 maybe 3 seasons and end on a feature length special (i.e. The Office)



In the main its because British TV doesn't generally contract its players in for any period of time - and a fair number of them end up moving on (witness Spooks/MI5 which undergoes an almost entire re-jig of the cast as the initial members go off to seek out Hollywood or American TV).



Clive Owen and Hugh Laurie being notably successful recent exports. I've been amazed that Monarch of the Glen has kept a pretty much intact cast over the past several years...Richard Brierly's departure in a permanent and spectacular way notwithstanding. Compton Mackenzie's books on which the series was based are pretty much out of print in the USA, sad to say. They're fun reading.

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Monday, January 24, 2005 2:02 PM

OLDFAN45


>forelock tugged, head bobbed<
Indeed indeed, O One who's been around longer than me (one hesitates to say Senior Fan)...

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Monday, January 24, 2005 4:25 PM

BELASERA


Dude, Da Nada is two words. TWO. It means, 'It's Nothing' It is not one word. And both MasterCard and SenSurround are made up, trademarked brand names, not real words like, say, firefly. Which is a real word, and should not be monkeyed with.
I mean this all in good fun, but I am right. Which would make you wrong.

"I'll be in my bunk."

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Monday, January 24, 2005 4:33 PM

MALICIOUS


Dude,

English is a LIVING LANGUAGE! That means it can, and does, change. Slang words become part of the lexicon, for better or for worse, and alternate spellings can become the norm. Sorry if some people and their vocabulary don't fit into your narrow view of what is correct. You need to lighten up a little or you will go mad trying to correct everyone.

It's not that big of a deal. See the message, not the spelling.

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

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Monday, January 24, 2005 5:06 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by belasera:
No, it isn't ok. Firefly is one word. Under no cicumstance is it permissable to insert random capital letters into a single word. There is no reason at all to capitalise the secong f. Same thing with Stargate. It isn't Star Gate, it is, again, one word. Just because there are two root words at play, here, does not make it ok to break them up like that. Don't go fiddling with the laws of grammer just bacause it's science fiction, people.

"I'll be in my bunk."



Dude - not that it matters, but you misspelled "grammar."

I'd like to be king of all Londinum and wear a shiny hat.

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Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:29 AM

HAWK


Quote:

Dude - not that it matters, but you misspelled "grammar."


I don't mean to alarm anyone but I may have just soiled myself laughing.

I don't think language is a statial thing anyway. The miracle of slang preserves us from that particular cultural stagnation.

In regards to "If FireFly Lived" I think Inara would have left and perhaps some convenient coincidince would see her meet up with the crew again.

I have the image in my head of Inara and Mal catching each other's eyes, being speechless fora few seconds, then Inara whacks him one with a general "you cad!" line. It's the traditional way of introducing an old female acquaintance. Hope Joss knows better.

I'd like to have seen Saffron join the crew as well. She was more intriguing than some of the core characters IMO!

Viddie ya later, clarts!

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Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:40 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by fredrickbanting:
What would happen if Fire Fly would have gotten past season 1. I have no doubt by then the fan base would have been enough to keep it on the air. Maybe it could have gone to like season 5 or 6. Hey common Star Gate is like at season 8 and that show.... well isn't very good. Thats just my opinion, I'll watch it if Star Gate is on. But Firefly had soo mcuh more... Like a story and good character we could love.



If Firefly had lived beyond Season 1 with a signifigant following, then at least one of the major networks would have made an offering of their own. Likely we would see something like Battlestar Galactica a year or two sooner on NBC, rather then on SciFi (same company). I am of the opinion that NBC should show the new BG series this summer just to see if it can fly as a mainstream network show. I think they'd be surprised.

Also, if Firefly had lived, Bin Ladden would have been caught in March of 2002, there would have been no tsunnami, and Bush would have carried Pennsylvania, but lost Ohio. Funny how things work out.

H

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Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:46 AM

BELASERA


Dude,
I've already gone mad, as evidenced by my repeated posts refusing to back down on a grammar issue. I can't even think about the original point of this thread, because this is driving me round the bend. Funny thing is, the internet is a veritable minefield of poor grammar, but this bit of grammar trash is really stuck under my hull. Nonetheless, you are correct that language is a living thing, and so I'd better get used to the occasional cancerous lump.
So, what was the question? What if FireFly (cringe) had lived? I often like to imagine what this show would have evolved into, based on two other Whedon gems, Buffy and Angel. One thing I've noticed is that Joss seems to have great affection for seemingly unloveable characters. Cretins like Spike and Connor end up getting the girl, after all. Just one little aspect to ponder. I just mean that relationships in the Joss 'verse alsways end up a little sideways, so Serenity's 'couples' could end a few different ways.

"I'll be in my bunk."

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Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:46 AM

MALICIOUS


Belasera,

I like to think that whatever Joss eventually does with his characters is just one iota less than the exact opposite of what one expects. There's always that little twist you didn't see after either the twist you expected or the last think you'd expect. You know?

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

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Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:53 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


Quote:

Originally posted by oldfan45:
I've been amazed that Monarch of the Glen has kept a pretty much intact cast over the past several years...Richard Brierly's departure in a permanent and spectacular way notwithstanding. Compton Mackenzie's books on which the series was based are pretty much out of print in the USA, sad to say. They're fun reading.



Ah. You may be a little behind over there. I have to say I don't really follow the show - but there isn't much left from the days that Colin Farrell was on it (or was that Ballykissangel? I forget now).

"I threw up on your bed"

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Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:16 PM

OLDFAN45


Quote:

Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Ah. You may be a little behind over there. I have to say I don't really follow the show - but there isn't much left from the days that Colin Farrell was on it (or was that Ballykissangel? I forget now).



"Behind" is the least of it. We're watching 2003 stuff as current. An Colin Farrell was on Ballykissangel? And what is that when it's at home?

Back to Firefly (there, Belasera, happy? Incidentally...in Italian, it's "Bella Sera" two words, two "l"s)...had it survived, would it necessarily have moved networks? FOX would have kept it had it had a following. They kept X Files and 24 so why would they have let this one go if it had the numbers to back them up against a wall?

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Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:19 PM

BELASERA


Belasera has a different meaning to me, I know that in italian bella sera is two words meaning beautiful evening (I think), but my handle has a more complicated history.

"I'll be in my bunk."

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Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:47 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


Quote:

Originally posted by oldfan45:
"Behind" is the least of it. We're watching 2003 stuff as current. An Colin Farrell was on Ballykissangel? And what is that when it's at home?



Easy description - Monarch of the Glen, but Irish instead of Scottish, and started before it. Fish out of water comes to new place where the locals don't like him and he doesn't want to be there. Eventually they warm to him even as he warms to the place - stop me if you've heard this one; we have had to put up with variations on this theme on Sunday afternoons for the past age....

And it was indeed BallyK that Colin "feckin'" Farrell was on.



"I threw up on your bed"

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Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:17 PM

OLDFAN45


AAAAAaaaaah!! Avoca! I went there with my mother-equivalent on a trip to Ireland three years ago. She told me this wonderful show was filmed in the itsy little burg, pretty I guess if you like that sort of thing, and she and the other old farts on the bus were prattling on about people I didn't know (someone called Grania? seemed to be a kid) so I tuned out and bought snack food.

That fish-outta-water thing is a real trope on Britcoms. My Hero here recently and Last of the Summer Wine from the 90s, plus these two we're talking about.

Thanks for clearting up my confusion!

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