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Is Inara Gay?

POSTED BY: ZOID
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Monday, December 6, 2004 8:43 AM

ZOID



Hey, folks...

I was writing something on another thread and had this thought: Is Inara a lesbian? I think it's supportable by evidence. Wouldn't be the first time JW used the theme. It's not that she's in the closet, just that everyone always assumed she was straight, and so never asked her. This might be why she's leaving Mal: he's falling in love with her in a way she cannot reciprocate.

Unfortunately, I'm 'short-turning' for the next couple of days and don't have time to go into detail at this time.

So for now, just try analyzing Inara's actions through that filter, and see what you come up with. When she cries in HoG: What if she were crying because she loves Nandi? The only time she seems genuinely happy after sex is when she's been with the female Counselor in "Jaynestown"; the rest of her encounters leave her looking ambivalent, at best.

Y'all discuss. I gotta go work the next 16 out of 24, not including the 4 hours of drive time. Ugh. I'll try to post a more extensive take in a couple of days.


Sapphically,

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Monday, December 6, 2004 8:51 AM

GRRARRG


hmmm... only real counter evidence I can think of is her line to the female counselor in War Stories about "Most of my clients are men . . . so if I take a female client, she has to be special."

Seems pretty clear from that line (or maybe that she just doesn't want the counselor to know, but why would she want that?)

It's very understandable that female clients would be rare, but the key to that line is the need for them to be special.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 9:06 AM

GROUNDED


She kisses Mal in Our Mrs. Reynolds when she thinks he's been badly hurt.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 9:12 AM

ZOID



grrarrg:

Here's the three minute response (since that's all I've got before hitting the showers):

She sells her sexual favors. This desensitizes her. She normally doesn't take female clients, because she's attracted to females, and doesn't want to desensitize herself to her heart's true desire.

That's why she'll only sell herself to a special woman, with whom she can relax her professional attitude and just be herself, enjoying the act instead of just selling a believable illusion as she does with men. That's a fair paraphrase of what she actually says to the Counselor...


v/r,
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Monday, December 6, 2004 9:51 AM

BADGERSHAT


Zoid, it's rare that I disagree with you outright, but on this one, I gotta.

I think the various and sundry glances between Mal and Inara are too telling, on a real level, for her to be strictly lesbian.

I have no doubt about her being bi, of course (that's pretty evident, given that she takes female clients, and that Companions choose their clients carefully). But outright lesbian, i can't agree with you.

As for HoG, I think it's fairly certain that it's Mal she's crying over, base on what we've seen in the the series thus far, plus Nandi's reaction to her the next morning (and her near-confrontation with Mal about it). And there's that secret of the synringe and all kinds of things for her reason to leave.

Plus, a woman whose career depends on sleeping with large quantities of people can't really have an exclusive relationship, especially not with a man who frowns heavily upon her career vocational choice... she loves him back, but can't give up her life of being a Companion for him. Staying around him would be torture for them both, so she has to leave.

I wonder where she'll be in the opening scenes of te BDM... ? With the crew, elsewhere?

...hhmmm

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Monday, December 6, 2004 10:54 AM

SAFFRONFAN


When she's with the Counselor in War Stories, I think it's more telling of the other woman's preference than her own. Inara is at least a little bi because she chose a woman, but it's the Counselor that is a lesbian.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 11:16 AM

ZEEK


You think Inara and Kaylee....you know...I mean the whole "hey you" thing in Serenity the pilot just seems odd. Every time I see that scene it just strikes me as odd. Besides Inara does brush Kaylee's hair in Train Job. Eh? Eh?


But no I don't think Inara is a lesbian. You could almost make a case for it, but I think he kissing passed out Mal and Nandi's near confrontation of Mal put that out of question.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 11:27 AM

PURPLEBELLY


You're incorrigible, zoid. I am sure, however, that Inara would just as annoyed at a narrow definition of her sexuality as she would be at being used as bait on a troll

And you know that Inara is leaving Serenity because she received direction to do so in the mail she secreted at the space-port in The Message; my troll for an episode-order flame from TV viewers outside the US That does give us the reason for her tears, though - Reynolds' gauchness enforces the realisation that he lacks the subtlety to survive a confrontation with the Blue Sun faction and Inara will not be there to protect him.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 11:49 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:

grrarrg:

Here's the three minute response (since that's all I've got before hitting the showers):

She sells her sexual favors. This desensitizes her. She normally doesn't take female clients, because she's attracted to females, and doesn't want to desensitize herself to her heart's true desire.

That's why she'll only sell herself to a special woman, with whom she can relax her professional attitude and just be herself, enjoying the act instead of just selling a believable illusion as she does with men. That's a fair paraphrase of what she actually says to the Counselor...


v/r,
-zed



By this reasoning, most female companions would be lesbian/bi, eh? I just don't by that. Not now, not in the future, not ever. When Kaylee asks Inara if companions are allowed to date,Inara replies,.... " yes, but it's complicated. "

It's been my experience that women, on the whole, are far more apt to 'play' in a sexual manner w/members of the same sex than men. No, I'm not talking about just seeing this in 'adult movies' either. I've known married women w/ kids and single gals who have made playful, suggestive moves on other women or commented about having entertained such ideas. But clearly, that ain't ALL women. But I digress.

As for Inara, it's clear she isn't as 'puritanical' about sex as Mal is ( * note scene from HoG where he's leaving Nandi's room ), mainly because she's a Companion! (duh) I'd gotta think that one of the things taught at the Academy would be how to make the customer feel as good as possible, but still maintain enough composure and not confuse "business" with love.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 12:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
She sells her sexual favors. This desensitizes her. She normally doesn't take female clients, because she's attracted to females, and doesn't want to desensitize herself to her heart's true desire.

That's why she'll only sell herself to a special woman, with whom she can relax her professional attitude and just be herself, enjoying the act instead of just selling a believable illusion as she does with men. That's a fair paraphrase of what she actually says to the Counselor...

Okay, it's fair, I'll grant you that. I'd say she normally doesn't take female clients because there may not be that many out there looking for a Companion. She is attracted to females, but she's also attracted to males - wouldn't she need to be attracted to both, in order to do her work?

I'd say her sense of attraction is based more on what she says in "Train Job."

"A Companion chooses her own clients, that's Guild law. But physical appearance doesn't matter so terribly. You look for a compatibility of spirit."

You'll note there's no mention of gender in that statement. I believe Inara responds to beauty, either physically or spiritually. Gender is just a sidebar.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 1:10 PM

HANOVERFIST


Don't get too hung up in a Judeo-Christian mindset when you are thinking about these sexual 'definitions'. There is a world of difference between the gender you are willing to have sexual contact with and the gender you are capable of falling in love with. Who you are emotionally attracted to defines whether you are gay or straight.

And don't forget that this is a future world where Eastern thought and religions would have shaped many people's attitudes.

With that being said I do not think Inara is a lesbian. She obviously has a thing for Mal. (When I first saw the show, I thought they were a former couple who had that hostile/sexual tension thing going on.)I just think that Inara is open to pretty much whatever when it comes to sex.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 1:36 PM

SHINYSEVEN


Inara tells all her clients that they're special!--that's an important part of the service she's selling.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that to become a Companion, you have to like money a whole bunch but sex isn't very important to you. Inara has to be able to make all her clients feel that they got their (lots of) moneys' worth, but that doesn't mean that the encounter (with a man *or* a woman) meant much of anything to her.

Then again, she could be leaving because she's so desperately in love with Zoe but she knows Zoe will never leave Wash...

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Monday, December 6, 2004 2:19 PM

BRUISERSMOM


It depends. She took one female client but we don't know if she did it because she is attracted towomen or if she did it because it's a part of her job. If she likes both men and women, she's bisexual.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 2:46 PM

SHEALYNN88


Hi all! New here, glad to be a part of this group that supports some AMAZING talents and a terrific show. :)

In response to the Inara thing...I have to say, I don't think she's really gay or straight. Someone else said this, too, and I have to agree...Inara is a Companion to people who need her services, and are compatible. Gender doesn't really come into it. I think it's easier for women than men to avoid compartmentalizing like that, and easier for Companions than for anyone. Granted, the comment about only taking special women does create questions as to why, but I think Inara seperates her work from her relationships carefully. While her work as a Companion isn't just "whoring" it's also not a long term relationship, and I think no one knows that better than she does.

All right, well, I don't think I explained it very well, but suffice it to say, I think Inara loves Mal (much like the rest of us) and that her love is not gender specific. Here's a thought. Maybe the reason she found the Councelor "compatible" was because she was a woman with both a strong sense of right and the ability to use her power without abusing it. This is something I think Inara also admires and loves in Mal, as much as it annoys her.

As for the theory that she's in love with Kaylee...I see that more as a sibling relationship. Kaylee is very awed by her, and Inara has a desire to care for and protect Kaylee.

Shealynn

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Monday, December 6, 2004 4:04 PM

MALICIOUS


Zoid,

Keep in mind (a Jefe-ism) that all men are space-pigs--in the future. As opposed to what they are NOW, of course. Also, I just don't get that lesbian vibe from Inara. She just looks so longingly at my Mal. Hey! Maybe Joss will turn her gay so I can have Mal all to myself!

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Monday, December 6, 2004 7:44 PM

THEREALME


Zoid, no. Inara is not gay, not exclusively lesbian, that is. She might be bisexual.

The fact that she is CLEARLY in love with Mal cannot be denied.


Mal-licious, the fact that Mal is in love with Inara ALSO cannot be denied. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that you'll just have to settle for someone else.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 8:20 PM

NEEDLESEYE


It looks like everyone's covered everything in HoG.
Oh, let's not forget in Shindig, Inara is considering an offer to be exclusive to Atherton. She even tries to "buy" Mal's life with that offer in the sword fight.
Zoid, you're just stirring up a hornet's nest aren't ya? So many posts in a day, most to Inara's defense? Does her character bring chivalrous desire out of everyone?



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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 3:59 AM

PSYCHICRIVER


Wandering off-topic here. I just wanted to say that I love Inara. She's a beautiful, successful and strong woman/character...yet she's so likeable.

A lot of Buffy fans, don't like Buffy as a character. I can see quite a few parallells between Buffy and Inara. But I bet a lot more Firefly fans love Inara than Buffy fans love Buffy....

....if that made any sense.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 5:57 AM

DIETCOKE


I think she is bi. I think she really cares about Mal and her affections are for him. But when it comes to sex, she will go either way.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 5:59 AM

DIETCOKE


You said a lot of Buffy fans don't like Buffy...I'm not sure I agree. I think she got a little annoying in season six and seven. But I always liked her.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 9:08 AM

MALICIOUS


Quote:

Originally posted by TheRealMe:
Mal-licious, the fact that Mal is in love with Inara ALSO cannot be denied. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that you'll just have to settle for someone else.



Oh, SURE! Ignore me for days and then erase all hope of Mal turning to me! I'm just gettin' nothin' for Christmas this year, apparently...


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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 9:37 AM

LIZ


i think that a lot of Buffy fans don't like Sarah Michelle Gellar, but that's different than not liking Buffy.

As far as Inara goes, a bi friend of mine once put it this way: you're attracted to people, not sexual organs. i tend to agree. she truly is looking for compatability of spirit -- whatever body it comes in.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 10:00 AM

PSYCHICRIVER


Quote:

Originally posted by liz:
i think that a lot of Buffy fans don't like Sarah Michelle Gellar, but that's different than not liking Buffy.

As far as Inara goes, a bi friend of mine once put it this way: you're attracted to people, not sexual organs. i tend to agree. she truly is looking for compatability of spirit -- whatever body it comes in.

A popular quote from Willow is "It wasn't women, it was woman. One."

Sorry of I was wrong that many people hate Buffy. I love her character. But I've experienced many BtVS fans who can't stand her.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 10:26 AM

DIETCOKE


Quote:

Originally posted by liz:
i think that a lot of Buffy fans don't like Sarah Michelle Gellar, but that's different than not liking Buffy.

As far as Inara goes, a bi friend of mine once put it this way: you're attracted to people, not sexual organs. i tend to agree. she truly is looking for compatability of spirit -- whatever body it comes in.


I agree that a lot of people don't like Sarah Michelle Gellar, me included.

That's an interesting quote from your bi friend and it would makes sense if you were bi. I on the other hand, am attracted to male parts only!

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 10:40 AM

PSYCHICRIVER


Oh, and on the subject; Inara is the butchest lesbian I have ever seen! Anyone can see that at a first glance! Fools!

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 1:08 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by TheRealMe:
The fact that she is CLEARLY in love with Mal cannot be denied.



Thank you TRM. Sexual tension is a two-way street. Inara is obsessed with Mal. It would be like some terrible edit from The Real World: Persephone if Inara were crying for Nandi instead of Mal--talk about misleading the audience! That crying jag is the pay-off for watching these two bicker through half a season of television. Zoid, if Inara were gay it would be undermining the central relationship of the whole gorram show, fer cryin' out loud! Hey, maybe Scully was gay too! And Rachel!

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 6:22 PM

THEREALME


Quote:

Originally posted by Malicious:
Quote:

Originally posted by TheRealMe:
Mal-licious, the fact that Mal is in love with Inara ALSO cannot be denied. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that you'll just have to settle for someone else.



Oh, SURE! Ignore me for days and then erase all hope of Mal turning to me! I'm just gettin' nothin' for Christmas this year, apparently...


Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell



Huh. Haven't SEEN you for days.

And as if Zoid and BadgersHat weren't enough competition, you're trying to bring in Captain Malcolm Reynolds himself?

Down right demoralizing!



The Real Me

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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 5:37 AM

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Zoid my friend, leave it to you to stir up a controversy. LOL

I think there is more than sufficent evidence in the series to refute your hypothesis that Inara is sly.

As pointed out above, there is the kiss Inara lays on Mal in Our Mrs Reynolds when she finds him unconscious in his quarters and discovers he is unharmed. Her obvious relief is more than that for a friend.

There is the longing looks that pass between Mal & Inara which are more than can passed off as simple friendship.

There is also the crying scene in Heart of Gold after Inara finds Mal coming out of Nandi's room, and Nandi's comment to Mal just before the fight breaks out. Nandi's Companion training allowed her to see through the mask that Inara has put in place about her true feelings for Mal.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 6:09 AM

RHYMEPHILE


Hmm, this is an interesting topic.

Let's turn this around for a moment, and say that Inara were a man. If he were to welcome a man to his bed, would people automatically assume that he were gay, even if he brought women to his bed as clients?

But one must wonder how many Companions there are out there. We've seen male companions, but Nandi only offers them when she asks if Mal is sly. Are male Companions just for other males? Perhaps this is so, and Inara is expected to service both sexes. If this is the case, then it wouldn't matter what gender her clients were.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 10:54 AM

MALICIOUS


(waves to TRM) I'm right here!

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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 1:17 PM

ZEEK


Inara made it very clear that Nandi's girls and boys weren't companions, they were whores.

We don't know for sure that there are male companions. But I'm sure that when we find out that Book's secret is he was a companion before becoming a shepard, that will clear everything up.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 1:51 PM

VETERAN

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Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Originally posted by TheRealMe:
Thank you TRM. ... Sexual tension is a two-way street. Inara is obsessed with Mal. ... Zoid, if Inara were gay it would be undermining the central relationship of the whole gorram show, fer cryin' out loud!



This pretty much covers it.

Quote:

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.


What's this quote from?


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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 2:20 PM

MALICIOUS


Buckaroo Bonzai!

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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 3:19 PM

VETERAN

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Thanks Malicous.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 4:15 PM

ZOID



Hi, everybody!

Wow! A lot of people responded to this one, huh? I wasn't actually serious about Inara being gay, you know. It just occurred to me that if she were to turn out to be gay, you could see the evidence making sense of it, throughout the series. I for one hope she's not gay. It would break my het'ro male heart, although I wouldn't necessarily be averse to some more hot girl-girl action in the BDM.

Like I said, I was rushed, going to work and all. I'm truly sorry if I got anyone's panties in a twist over this. Especially since I was really intending to question whether Kaylee was struggling with her growing confusion regarding her own sexual preference.

When Inara and the Councilor are going up to Inara's shuttle, Book says, "Oh my", Jayne goes to his bunk (ostensibly, to oil his gun), but Kaylee says "...They look so glamorous together..." I think Kaylee's attracted to the idea of hot girl-girl action herself. Perhaps, in the BDM, Kaylee will finally forget about Simon -- who's really just a 'girl substitute' anyway -- and make her move on Inara.


Curiously,

zoid

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Wednesday, December 8, 2004 7:26 PM

PURPLEBELLY


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
How am I doing, Purplebelly?

Trolls can be salutary experiences. From a European perspective, I wonder whether gullibility of this extent is an artefact of the education system or the learned response of a consumer society. As always, I find narrow-mindedness depressing.

So, congratulations on prevoking a response, zoid. If you can also get people to think, you may change the world.

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Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:35 AM

ZOID



PurpleBelly responded:
Quote:

...If you can also get people to think, you may change the world.

God, I hope I don't do any of that! What would I change it into? I mean, I've only got a finite number of ideas, and the majority of them are utter crap. I'd sooner step into oncoming traffic than change the world in my own likeness.

I'm just whiling away the time until I embark on the Great Adventure that awaits us all, trying in the meantime (as Dennis Miller once put it) to avoid making eye contact with Life, lest it come over and rip my arms off, all in the name of good, clean Kodiak fun.


Mystery-ously,

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Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:52 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
God, I hope I don't do any of that!

Don't forget who was talkin' at ya

IMHO there's no chance that the condition will be met

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Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:11 AM

ZOID



P'Belly wrote:
Quote:

Don't forget who was talkin' at ya... IMHO there's no chance that the condition will be met.

In the first case, I suspected you were speaking circuitously; but, I didn't want the kiddies to think you were being serious. Somebody might get an eye put out, running around with that particular thought in their heads.

In the second case, I've certainly seen no evidence to indicate a trend toward it; quite the contrary. Another compelling reason to behave (at least somewhat) responsibly. I don't necessarily think it's either possible or desirable to leave the world 'a better place', let alone probable. I just don't want to leave it a worse place, as a result of my time upon its stage. I clean up my litter at the campsite, too (as I drive off in my RV, er, 'caravan').


Paradoxically,

zoid

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Wed, April 21, 2021 20:21 - 33 posts
Where are the Extraterrestrial Civilizations
Wed, April 21, 2021 16:10 - 29 posts
Thread of GIFs
Mon, April 19, 2021 15:38 - 10 posts
Joss to create new SciFi show for HBO, “The Nevers”
Sun, April 18, 2021 10:08 - 65 posts
'Clarice' ... or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love My Lotion Bucket
Fri, April 16, 2021 16:51 - 11 posts
Brenda? Are You Watching FBI: Most Wanted?
Wed, March 24, 2021 17:00 - 76 posts
Firefly a ripoff of Andromeda?
Wed, March 17, 2021 07:39 - 44 posts
Did you notice Nathan Fillion in episode 7 of Alan Tudyk's new show Resident Alien?
Mon, March 15, 2021 09:05 - 9 posts
Rush Limbaugh dead at age 70
Thu, March 4, 2021 21:56 - 76 posts
Canadian actor Christopher Plummer dead at age 91
Wed, March 3, 2021 23:16 - 4 posts
NASA Lands the Perseverance Rover on Mars
Wed, February 24, 2021 23:22 - 12 posts
Victorian Female Batman???
Tue, February 16, 2021 21:04 - 46 posts

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