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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:02 PM

WYDRAZ


Is anyone else watching this show? It's focus on characters is reminiscent of Firefly. Great acting, and excellent direction from JJ Abrams. I am impressed!



Oh, and play Strange Adventures in Infinite Space. http://digital-eel.com/sais

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:09 PM

RADHIL


The first ep really didn't seem to have time to impress the characters much. We have a hobbit rock-star and obvious love interests - that's as far as it got. Snippets of everyone else - one pregger lady, the dudes building the fire, the snappy lady insisting they'll be rescued like it's a right instead of a hope... and the dude who's acting like he's at Maui. That one makes me shudder.



That said, Lost definitely had it's major moments. I loved the doc (Jack?) asking the girl to sew him up, as though it were the most natural thing in the world, as he wheezed from the gash. The (former) co-pilot falling through the cockpit door rather suddenly. Of course, the whole opening, half of everyone stumbling and the other half shocked as hell. I don't know about the creature feature though.

The previews for next week look like they'll get into the character stuff nice and good.

I just want to know... what the hell was with the dog...

Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:12 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


I should really start a fansite for that show. Their sound stage is a 5 minute walk from my office.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:25 PM

GOJIRO


I've seen this show before. Only then it had "Land of the" in front of the title.

They had me right up until the monsters. Now I suspect it will be just another dumb, quickly-cancelled show.

gojiro

NOTE: This is obviously not to imply that all quickly cancelled shows are dumb, just as not all dumb shows are quickly cancelled.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:31 PM

MELEAUX


Is this supposed to be a mini series or what. I can't imagine this story line lasting too long. By the way, didn't it seem like all the main charcters were just too pretty to be real? However, the guy getting sucked into the engine reminded me of something....hmmmm


She understands, she doesn't comprehend

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 PM

NIGHTTRAIN


I thought it was pretty good too in all those respects. Note even close to replacing Firefly though. Definite potential though. I'll be tuning in next week for sure. I wasn't hooked on Firefly after seeing the train job, so who knows.

"You gone got yourself lookin' mighty hideous" ~Jayne

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 PM

LUNAKITTY


i dug it !!!

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
River: Is it time to go to sleep again?
Simon: No, mei-mei, it's time to wake up.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:44 PM

ANKHAGOGO


Quote:

Originally posted by meleaux:
However, the guy getting sucked into the engine reminded me of something....hmmmm



Hee heeeeee.I wondered how many people besides me were watching that and went, "Yeah, Mal!"

.........so just me then? :)

Ok, I know I'm not the only one who went, "That T-Rex is going to kill you all because you don't have Sam Neill with you."


But did you see? Daniel Dae Kim! And he looks to be a weasel! YAY!

"Where I come from, we have a saying: "When you yoo-hoo in the forest, the yoo-hoo that you yoo-hoo will come back to you." "Where did you say you were from again?"

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:52 PM

RADHIL


Too pretty to be real? You saw the suddenly-made nurse for the pregnant woman, right?

Or, hell, Maui dude, smiling with the orange peel in his mouth. He's not only not winning beauty pageants, he gets the River award for Massive Loonyism.

More real than most shows care to be.

And I know everyone's groaning about Jurassic Park and Land of the Lost and all seen this before... Remember, this is the Alias dude, who took Le Femme Nikita, stood it on it's head and made it real and human, and then rewrote the whole show premise mid-season, just to make things interesting.

If you think it's dinos, I guarantee you - It's not dinos. The Train Job sucked too, but seeing Firefly now, we wouldn't hesitate to give Joss the benefit of doubt for a few episodes. We're dealing with a similar if different vein of TV genius here. Give it a chance.

Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:03 PM

GOJIRO


I guess I'm an anomaly for two reasons: 1) I fell in love with Firefly on day one, The Train Job, when Mal went through the window and it turned out to be a hologram. That honestly is the exact moment I fell for Firefly. Hard. And 2), I think Alias is about the dumbest show ever. Sure, Garner is hot and all, but she can't act her way out of a paper bag. And the writing for that show was atrocious. Silly, dumb stuff. Not trying to offend the fans, here. I just never "got" that show.

So if LOST is written by the same guy, it doesn't bode well, in my opinion.

gojiro

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:04 PM

MELEAUX


The spur of the moment nurse to which you refer is a chacicature. He issupposed to be un-pretty. I am by no means however slamming the show. I was totally into it. I know its not dinos too by the way(something more sinister)as implied by the presence of the orange sucking actor we see so often in X files and the like.

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:09 PM

THERON


Saw it tonight, and was interested. I have to admit when I saw the engine sitting there running I immediatly thought of Firefly. But when the guy got sucked into the engine I laughed out loud, disturbed my friends I was watching it with a bit. Until I explained why I was laughing, and then they got it as well. Two of them are already converts and I am working on the other two that were there now. :) I hold out hope that they continue to build the characters because if they don't then this show will suck. Without the character creation and growth it will just be another monster flick and will deserve to be canceled.

For those who are curious the guy with orange peel in his mouth, I can't remember his name, but he played on Millenium, he was the contact for the psychic guy at the FBI and his good friend. So he has been around in sci'fi for a while and has some idea of what is expected of him and his character.

Position: cautiously optomistic

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:09 PM

NEMESIS217


I'm totally excited about the show......I found myself holding my breath several times. However, I'm addicted to Alias and totally trust JJ Abrams like I trust Joss. I thought the pilot was amazing and I cant wait to see it next week!!!!!

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:16 PM

INSANESPIKE


I thought the show was pretty good. It was one of the few shows in the upcoming season that I actually wanted to see, and so far it looks like it has potential. I don't know WHAT they're going to do with the whole creature thing though. I remember reading somewhere that the writers of the show wouldn't say what it is, but they said what it wasn't, and it's defnitely NOT a dino. But if not....then what is it?

And also, since someone mentioned that Daniel Dae Kim was in, did anyone actually noticed who the pregnant lady was? It was Emilie de Ravin from Roswell. Since I just recently got hooked on that show, I was glad to see her in it.

And like someone else said....what WAS the deal with that damn dog?

"How drunk was I last night?"

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:21 PM

EMBERS


Quote:

Originally posted by meleaux:
I am by no means however slamming the show. I was totally into it.



wow, am I the only one who found the plot non existant and the characters stereotypical?

and comparing it in any way to anything Joss ever wrote is blasphemy! Joss got more character development in his first issue of Astonishing X-men....

Personally I saw nothing at all in this first episode...I was extremely disappointed (so, for the record...that is one person slamming it!).

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:29 PM

BLUESUNCORPORATEGOON


i am very excited about this show too...big time. now being totally unfamiliar with the works of Mr. Abrams,i found the show to have much potential,it kinda grabbed you and dug it's claws in and didn't let go until after the credits.(just hoping by week 12 they aren't making coconut radios)
i will however admit at a few points of the show it reminded me of things i'd seen before,the dog that keeps poping up,Watchers,a book by Dean Koontz(super genius dog stuff) of course the required Jurassic Park and CastAway bit's but other than that i enjoyed it,i think Maui guy is up to something,or he's trying to make the best of a really shithouse situation,could go either way.but i do think that there is something in the jungle,sinister?maybe.or it could be any number of the following:
1.Genetically enhanced marooned zoo animals
2.Predator('past the treeees.')
3.the errant search for WMD's
4.natives not so happy this giant metal bird exploded raining people and "brining all sorts a ruccus inna they house."
we shall see.

I'll be in my bunk.-Jayne

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:46 PM

PERIDIDDLE


Quote:

wow, am I the only one who found the plot non existant and the characters stereotypical?

Personally I saw nothing at all in this first episode...I was extremely disappointed



I agree.

I caught the last half hour...and, well, maybe I missed something remotely good in the first half, but I found nothing there to interest me at all. I found parts somewhat pointless...and, well, nothing really happened. 'Cept their on an island. And keep running from things we can't see. We only know they're even coming, in some way, by the melodramatic music. And the camera jerking, which is enough to drive anyone mad. Oh, and there's a dog.

*shrug* I've never like J.J., though I'll watch the show in full for a few more weeks, to see if he may just have something to fill the time between now and any good mid-season replacements. He is good, and I do watch Alias, but he's not really my style for the long run, and I always have the distinct feeling that he rips off Joss a lot. Least he knows who to steal from...^_^

Anyway, just my opinion.

"Bwaa...it's kind of a warrior...strikes fear into the hearts of..."

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:37 PM

JAHZARA


I liked it. Just like I "liked" The Train Job. It's just a pilot so I'm back next week watching Lost and taping Smallville, which by the way, is finally hitting its stride. Season premiere rocked. It could just be I expect less from Smallville, but I doubt it.

I was excited to see Emilie de Ravin, too. I must say I HAVE NEVER SEEN a heavily pregnant woman in a miniskirt. Just disturbing. And possibly convenient.
There's also that guy from the Matrix, Harold Perrineau. Less recognizable without the dreads.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:01 PM

BEATLE


Way to early to make a call.
A lot of us tuned in because of Firefly connections but I wonder how many watched the show without any biased thoughts.
I liked it, but I must say that there are so many open plot holes to fill I wonder if people will be interested in coming back to see what happens. Was it only one hour? If it was, I would have thought a two hour premier would have added more to the characters.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:05 PM

SHANYU


What show is this if it is as good as firefly or even close to it id like to see it if u can tell me a time and channel well id be really really happy lol

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:31 PM

LINDALE


just fyi, the pilot for Lost was actually a 2-hour movie. But the geniuses at ABC decided it was more important to have a 2-hour Bachelor premier than what's considered by most critics to be the best new show of the year. I'm not saying you have to like it, I'm just saying fewer people would like Serenity (ep) if they'd just seen the first half, then had to wait a week for the second. I think people not sure about it should see the second half next week before making their decision.

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:08 AM

BIKISDAD


Quote:

Originally posted by Lindale:
just fyi, the pilot for Lost was actually a 2-hour movie. But the geniuses at ABC decided it was more important to have a 2-hour Bachelor premier than what's considered by most critics to be the best new show of the year. I'm not saying you have to like it, I'm just saying fewer people would like Serenity (ep) if they'd just seen the first half, then had to wait a week for the second. I think people not sure about it should see the second half next week before making their decision.



That's a good point. In fact, at least my local ABC affiliate (and maybe yours too, if you check), is going to show the entire two hour pilot the Saturday following the showing of the second half (next Wednesday). I am going to watch the whole two hour premiere at that time just to see it the way it was intended.

I wasn't terribly excited by what I saw last night, but it was only the first half of what they intended to show. Would you automatically say that Sonny and Cher sucked just because you saw Sonny perform by himself? Or Simon and Garfunkel if you just saw "and Garfunkel" perform. What if Butch and Sundance had just been "Butch"?

I think it's best to reserve judgment until they've shown both halves of the pilot...

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:22 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


It is a little early for me to make a call yet. I watched it all the way through and was just kind of like....."Huh."

I must admit the "creature" thing threw me a bit. I guess it is the element of danger and the unknown the show needs to terrorize the characters, but I found it a bit lame.



"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:33 AM

CHICORY


http://www.lost-tv.com/

didnt see it, didnt even know it was comeing on. mabey we need a "might be cool tv" thread before each season

Chicory

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Lazarus Long, Time Enough For Love

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:40 AM

CAPTAINCDC


I know it's only the first half of a two hour pilot (when are the networks going to learn, and just air the damn pilot that the creators give them, never I guess), but I loved it. The first ten minutes were incredible IMO. I had been looking forward to this show for a while, and knew that there were going to be some sort of mysterious creatures terrorizing the survivors so it did not bother me at all. I think it has great potential and can't wait till the next ep. Also, one thing I think Abrams and Joss have in common, which is a rarety in tv today, is that they both produce and direct cinema quality tv. I thought it looked great and I really enjoyed it. But for the record, Joss is still the man.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:18 AM

KNIBBLET


I've never seen Lost and I've never seen Alias; however, I'm a die-hard Nikita fan. I laid out $150 for the season 2 box set.
Nikita and Firefly are two of my favorites shows of the past 40 years.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:24 AM

GOJIRO


I never saw the series, but the film it was based on -- La Femme Nikita -- is one of my favorites. I even liked the watered down American remake, Point of No Return.

Luc Besson is an incredible filmmaker. Although, I have to admit that his latest -- Taxi -- looks like pure crapola.

gojiro

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:04 AM

BENCHCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by gojiro:
I've seen this show before. Only then it had "Land of the" in front of the title.

They had me right up until the monsters. Now I suspect it will be just another dumb, quickly-cancelled show.

gojiro

NOTE: This is obviously not to imply that all quickly cancelled shows are dumb, just as not all dumb shows are quickly cancelled.



Ha! I'm almost hoping it is a new version of Land of the Lost. I'd love to see what they could do with some of the concepts from that show in a different format. I remember there being all sorts of great elements like the "land" being in a small pocket universe that intersects our universe at different places and points in time. If I remember correctly, Theodore Sturgeon and some other classic sci-fi writers wrote a number of the scripts for Land of the Lost.

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:13 AM

BENCHCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by gojiro:
I guess I'm an anomaly for two reasons: 1) I fell in love with Firefly on day one, The Train Job, when Mal went through the window and it turned out to be a hologram. That honestly is the exact moment I fell for Firefly. Hard. And 2), I think Alias is about the dumbest show ever. Sure, Garner is hot and all, but she can't act her way out of a paper bag. And the writing for that show was atrocious. Silly, dumb stuff. Not trying to offend the fans, here. I just never "got" that show.

So if LOST is written by the same guy, it doesn't bode well, in my opinion.

gojiro



Alias is no Firefly and Abrams is no Joss, BUT they were both smart enough to cast Gina Torres in their shows.

I've only seen the first season of Alias (which owes a heavy debt to Buffy), and I liked it--although I find it very hit and miss. The spy/action, Sydney's father part of the show was great, while the 20-something drama part of the show was slow and painful. I've heard that that changes in later seasons. and hey, Gina Torres kicking ass--you can't go wrong with that.

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:23 AM

THRAWN


I've actually seen the whole 2-hour pilot already, and let me tell you, for anyone that's thinking "maybe", WATCH THE SECOND HALF. The whole creature thing, in particular, turns out to be a lot more interesting than you'd think, and a couple of the characters are most emphatically not what you'd expect. Some of the more stereotypical ones turn out not to be.

The second half is at least twice as good as the first; they should have shown it all at once.

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:11 AM

HJERMSTED


I have been looking forward to J.J. Abrams' 'Lost' for some time now. The first three seasons of his other show, Alias, have been a great deal of fun for me... granted, a type of fun that does NOT include the deeper heart-tugging moments of a Whedon show but pure fun nonetheless. The Alias characters and plots are outlandish but that is exactly what I tune in to see each week.

J.J. Abrams should be honoured and supported for being the last great TV genius with several shows still on major network TV!

I found 'Lost' to be riveting from frame one. The initial confusion of Dr. Jack as he awakens and finds his way back to the crash site was well performed and the chaos at the crash site itself was impressively well directed and edited. The acting was convincing and the special effects seemless! The wealth of characters and island mysteries will give the writers lots to play with. This show could go so many directions and I find that exciting.

I for one cannot wait until next week to see part two of the 'Lost' pilot. I want to see it now!!

Haken, if you do create a 'Lost' fansite... I'll be there with you, man!

ABC... let this show do its thing please!! Do not executive decision it to death!

mattro

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:40 AM

RADHIL


Quote:

ABC... let this show do its thing please!! Do not executive decision it to death!

The debut was a strong suprise in last night's ratings, I learned this morning. 11.6/19, dominated it's timeslot. Those aren't fringe drama numbers - those are Law & Order and CSI numbers.

I think this one just might stick around.

Hope it stays that high next week...

Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:11 AM

MAUGWAI


Quote:

chicory wrote:
Thursday, September 23, 2004 05:33
http://www.lost-tv.com/

didnt see it, didnt even know it was comeing on. mabey we need a "might be cool tv" thread before each season

Chicory



There was one about Lost:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=6263

There is also a thread about David Fury being on the writing staff.

Also, check Matt Roush (sp?) at TV Guide online. He's usually pretty good at naming the good shows. He loved Angel. Also, aintitcoolnews.com does a lot of previews. They loved Angel a lot.

Want a less professional opinion? Try my livejournal. I've reviewed all the new shows I could get my eyes around. www.livejournal.com/users/maugwai



"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:55 PM

DECKROID


Ok... I missed the show, however, I have... shhh... downloaded it and am planning on watching it tonight.

I tried to get into 'Alias', but it was too pretty for me. Teeny-bopper super-spy turned assassin?!? What the...? That part I didnt get. At all.

However, that being said, I will give this show a watch if for no other reason than to say this:

AT LEAST IT AIN'T MORE REALITY TV CRAP!!!!

Am I the only one who thinks that the reality thing has gone on too long? Hell, I thought that back with the 2nd season of Real World.

Anyone else here go to work/school only to be bombarded with "Hey, did ya catch the new reality show (insert name here)"? I usually answer with my response of "Nah, I dont go in for reality crap, I got enough of it as it is" they always respond with "Oh, this isnt like a normal reality show, its got (insert freaky trendy twist here)".

Ok, maybe its just me.

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:17 PM

PERIDIDDLE


Quote:

Originally posted by DeckRoid:
Am I the only one who thinks that the reality thing has gone on too long? Hell, I thought that back with the 2nd season of Real World.

Anyone else here go to work/school only to be bombarded with "Hey, did ya catch the new reality show (insert name here)"? I usually answer with my response of "Nah, I dont go in for reality crap, I got enough of it as it is" they always respond with "Oh, this isnt like a normal reality show, its got (insert freaky trendy twist here)".

Ok, maybe its just me.



Nah. I get the same thing too...usually it has something to do with Survivor, or the Bachelor.

I hope I'm not the only one that, while I usually go to great lengths to avoid reality TV, if it's shoved at me I'll somehow get wrapped up into it? Occasionally Fear Factor has that train-wreck effect on me...you can't not watch it.

Though, I'll admit...Bravo has an occasional amusing show or two. Showbiz Moms & Dads was rather good, and I'm a fan of a certain five gay guys...

"Bwaa...it's kind of a warrior...strikes fear into the hearts of..."

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:39 PM

KINGOFKOINS


Quote:

Originally posted by DeckRoid:
Ok... I missed the show, however, I have... shhh... downloaded it and am planning on watching it tonight.

I tried to get into 'Alias', but it was too pretty for me. Teeny-bopper super-spy turned assassin?!? What the...? That part I didnt get. At all.

However, that being said, I will give this show a watch if for no other reason than to say this:

AT LEAST IT AIN'T MORE REALITY TV CRAP!!!!

Am I the only one who thinks that the reality thing has gone on too long? Hell, I thought that back with the 2nd season of Real World.

Anyone else here go to work/school only to be bombarded with "Hey, did ya catch the new reality show (insert name here)"? I usually answer with my response of "Nah, I dont go in for reality crap, I got enough of it as it is" they always respond with "Oh, this isnt like a normal reality show, its got (insert freaky trendy twist here)".

Ok, maybe its just me.



I wish many plagues upon reality tv. (Subtext: Reality tv is terrible)

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:24 PM

LTNOWIS


As a fan of Alias, I'll have to tune in next week. I was going to tape the 1st half of the pilot for my dad, who saw that it was the top-reviewed non-reality TV, but I forgot. I'll have to download it or something. Thanks for your thoughts on it, they're helpful.

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:06 PM

MAKEROFPATHS


Quote:

Originally posted by Hjermsted:

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I found 'Lost' to be riveting from frame one. The initial confusion of Dr. Jack as he awakens and finds his way back to the crash site was well performed and the chaos at the crash site itself was impressively well directed and edited. The acting was convincing and the special effects seemless! The wealth of characters and island mysteries will give the writers lots to play with. This show could go so many directions and I find that exciting.

I for one cannot wait until next week to see part two of the 'Lost' pilot. I want to see it now!!

Haken, if you do create a 'Lost' fansite... I'll be there with you, man!



I thought it was a strong debut: good writing and directing, oh, and really good acting. Gotta agree that opening scene with the post-crash chaos was well done.

I also think there are dozens of stories lurking on the island so I am really looking forward to next week's pilot conclusion.

Only thing I thought was really, really lame were the scenes inland when the trees were being whip-sawed and crushed by The Thing! Reminded me of grade school dramas. Although maybe the studio thought you have to have Big Signs To Indicate Big Scary Things to create drama. Pffft!


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:25 PM

TOMANTA


I caught the first half of the pilot. If you don't keep in mind it's only half the first episode, it's not really any good (the first hour was just a LOT of establishment without any development... From the preview, I think the second half will have a lot, though).

That being said, I think the show has a lot of potential. At the beginning they did a great job of letting your imagination do the work. I especially liked how, when Jack gets to the beach, the camera pans around... you know you are about to see the plane crash, but it takes a lot longer than you would find on TV. Plus, the engine... I just knew someone was gonna get sucked in, but they teased me as much as they could before it happened.

The /one/ thing I didn't care for was the music when they were in the cockpit.

I have to see part 2 to reserve judgement, but I have high hopes for this show. [Unlike last season, which didn't offer me ANYTHING until Wonderfalls. ]

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:15 PM

GRIMCHAOS


I start watching about ten min. in the pilot and i was hooked. it was damn good. can't wait to see more.

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Friday, September 24, 2004 3:35 PM

SHANYU


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Ok... I missed the show, however, I have... shhh... downloaded it and am planning on watching it tonight.




PIRATE... THEIF, lol you know ethres a huge thread about piracy one of the bgigest right now, i think you should check it out
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=7235

Have fun!

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Friday, September 24, 2004 4:13 PM

EBONEZER


Can't say anything that hasn't been said so far.

So i'm gonna comment on the dog.

LOVED the dog, for some reason, s/he was my favorite character.

When s/he first ran by I kinda thought s/he was a figment of Jack's imagination. Kind of an "oh god, i'm delerious and in pain and Hey! Theres old sparky. My dog when i was 6, isn't that interesting."

But the dog wasn't a figment of his imagination. So I now think the dog was orange-rind guys dog. Dunno why. Just is.

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Friday, September 24, 2004 6:21 PM

DANFAN


Some thoughts on the "half pilot" (in no particular order):

1) Didn't know it was the first half of a two hour pilot. It makes SOOOO much more sense to me now. The show felt like an hour of establishing location and sketching in characters. What was up with that? But of course! That's what you do when you have two hours to launch your story! One hour for establishing, then an hour to roll the storyline. Until the studio execs screw you up and fragment it... ( we should be happy that they didn't Firefly it and show the two halves out of order)

2) Even given that the suits broke the pilot, it intrigued me. To be honest, my reaction was the same as when I tuned in to catch the first (broadcast) episode of Firefly: "That was either extraordinarily GREAT or.... it really wasn't!?" The story for the Train Job just didn't quite jell for me (because of the incredibly compressed "establishing" that they had to do). But I was intrigued, so I came back for one more. Then one more. Then... by the fourth episode, the characters had filled in enough to keep me coming.

3) The idea that a jetliner can fall out of the sky in three pieces and have 40+ survivors is ludicrous. Think Lockerbie (no survivors). The bigger pieces will strike the ground at a nearly vertical angle at speeds of about 100 mph or better and come to an immediate stop. The coach seats are plywood with about 2 inches of foam on them (no ergonomics). Anyone who isn't shredded/broken by the impact or burned by jetfuel will die from massive internal hemorrhaging in minutes. So I'm wondering if the fact that there are survivors is tied in to the "not-natural" aspects of the island? On second thought, probably not. And if not, then it is a highly unrealistic element of the story. But I'll forgive it if they tell the story well.

4) And last but not least, does anyone remember a shortlived series in 1970 called "The New People"? Check out:

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-74/

I was a sophomore in high school and I remember Loving all the episodes I was able to watch up until its early cancellation in January. The premise was similar in some respects. I guess I am surprised it took 34 years for someone to try the story elements out again.

[Edited later to correct the month of its cancellation from September to January]

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Saturday, September 25, 2004 5:02 AM

MAI


I agree completely! This is going to be a great show. I am trying not to get too excited though, every time I fall in love with a show they kill it. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who found it totally impressive. I am not quite as into as I was Firefly, after its first showing, but I'm sure its just going to get better and better. As if I need another show to obsess about.

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Saturday, September 25, 2004 5:14 AM

DESANGRO


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Originally posted by wydraz:
Is anyone else watching this show? It's focus on characters is reminiscent of Firefly. Great acting, and excellent direction from JJ Abrams. I am impressed!



Oh, and play Strange Adventures in Infinite Space. http://digital-eel.com/sais



What station is it on??? I'm a fan of Alias-- ate up the first season and am now considering buying the second one. Please, tell me when and where this show is on!

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Saturday, September 25, 2004 5:22 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


It is on ABC, Wednesdays at 8pm Eastern/Pacific and 7pm Central/Mountain time. The second half of the pilot will be this Wednesday, September 29, but they will be repeating the first two hours on Saturday, October 2, at the same times.




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Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:36 AM

RADHIL


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Originally posted by danfan:
Some thoughts on the "half pilot" (in no particular order):
3) The idea that a jetliner can fall out of the sky in three pieces and have 40+ survivors is ludicrous. Think Lockerbie (no survivors). The bigger pieces will strike the ground at a nearly vertical angle at speeds of about 100 mph or better and come to an immediate stop. The coach seats are plywood with about 2 inches of foam on them (no ergonomics). Anyone who isn't shredded/broken by the impact or burned by jetfuel will die from massive internal hemorrhaging in minutes. So I'm wondering if the fact that there are survivors is tied in to the "not-natural" aspects of the island? On second thought, probably not. And if not, then it is a highly unrealistic element of the story. But I'll forgive it if they tell the story well.



In an interview with the show's writers, this was actually brought up. The answer was rather a winking "I've got a secret" kind of thing.

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Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:50 AM

DANFAN


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Originally posted by Radhil:

In an interview with the show's writers, this was actually brought up. The answer was rather a winking "I've got a secret" kind of thing.




Curiouser and curiouser! OK, I'll give them time to take that thought someplace interesting. So, in the interest of recreational speculation, here's what I have seen in the first episode, read (or heard other people such as you say they've read/heard) about the series:

1) Something BIG stomps around around behind the treeline.

2) The show's creators say it isn't a dinosaur.

3) It is agressive, but it didn't eat its one victim (thus far).

4) The number of survivors from an obviously unsurvivable crash is a significant element of the "non-natural" aspect of the storyline.

5) In the trailor for the second episode, there was a glimpse of a scene where they get the radio transceiver to work but they don't hear anything that sounds like English (in fact, it didn't even sound human).

6) The reason that the pilot said they were so far off course is that their radio quit working, so they were making to the nearest airport that they could land at. Radio quit working?

Speculations:

1) Passed over to an alternate universe in flight. The flight radio stopped working because they weren't "in Kansas" anymore. The thing living in the bushes is some large predator in that version of Earth. The voices on the radio aren't English (or human) because the speakers aren't English (or human).

2) The island is a lab for unholy genetic (or robotic?) engineering by some corporation or gov't. The voices on the radio aren't English or human sounding because they are encrypted.

Any other ideas out there?

I know that such speculations are vastly premature. It's a joke among engineers that with one data point you can define a line. With two points you can define a curve. With 3 points you can define a family of curves.

For those who aren't engineers (or mathematicians), what that last paragraph means is that it's always possible to draw false conclusions from too little input information. But its always so much fun to try!

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Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:54 AM

DESANGRO


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Originally posted by ecgordon:
It is on ABC, Wednesdays at 8pm Eastern/Pacific and 7pm Central/Mountain time. The second half of the pilot will be this Wednesday, September 29, but they will be repeating the first two hours on Saturday, October 2, at the same times.




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Thanks. ABC comes in really poorly at our house, but I'll try and see if I can catch it.

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Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:17 AM

EBONEZER


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Originally posted by DeSangro:

Thanks. ABC comes in really poorly at our house, but I'll try and see if I can catch it.



Fox comes in really poorly at my house (as in you have to sit just right on the couch so it doesn't explode into a snowstorm of static), but i still watched firefly...

Hey, speaking of static, isn't his birthday sometime around now?

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