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noob: I can't believe I'm in love with a TV show.

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Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:37 PM

JCKNIFE


The last TV show I watched every week was ST:TNG. I've never seen Buffy or Angel. I didn't watch Seinfeld or Friends. I've never seen the Sopranos or Sex and the City. In short, I don't care for TV.

I do spend a lot of time on AR15.com, where we talk about how cool guns are and how stupid liberals are. Well, turns out Firefly has a huge following over there and they turned me on to the show. Based on their recommendation, I bought the DVD set. I can't freaking believe how good it is.

I could gush for hours but I'd be preaching to the choir here. Suffice to say I love it and I can't wait for the movie. I've just today finished watching the last episode, and I'm looking forward to watching again (and making my wife watch with me this time).

Anyway, glad and surprised to be here. Hope to share in the geekdom at least until next April. :)

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Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:44 PM

RKLENSETH


Welcome fellow Browncoat to our ranks!

You better watch it though. There are quite a few liberal Browncoats around these parts that like to put up a fight. I'm not one of them but be forewarned.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:47 PM

CALIGARI


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
The last TV show I watched every week was ST:TNG. I've never seen Buffy or Angel. I didn't watch Seinfeld or Friends. I've never seen the Sopranos or Sex and the City. In short, I don't care for TV.

I do spend a lot of time on AR15.com, where we talk about how cool guns are and how stupid liberals are. Well, turns out Firefly has a huge following over there and they turned me on to the show. Based on their recommendation, I bought the DVD set. I can't freaking believe how good it is.

I could gush for hours but I'd be preaching to the choir here. Suffice to say I love it and I can't wait for the movie. I've just today finished watching the last episode, and I'm looking forward to watching again (and making my wife watch with me this time).

Anyway, glad and surprised to be here. Hope to share in the geekdom at least until next April. :)



I just took a peek at AR15.com, and it's pretty astonishing, not the sort of place one would think a Firefly fan base would dwell. So what all do they say over there? Anything good? It's all about Vera, huh? :) Myself, I wouldn't mind a working copy of Mal's sidearm....

No, wait, I wanna working copy of Zoe's Winchester-y firearm....

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Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:59 PM

JCKNIFE


I'd say 99.9% of ARFCOMers relate with Jayne. But there are plenty of themes in Firefly that resonate with a pro-second-amendment crowd. Freedom. Self-reliance. Fighting the "big government" alliance. But mostly it's the guns.

Oh, I don't mean to oversimplify and portray them as a bunch of militia kooks. They like the same things about Firefly that everyone likes--the writing, the acting, the casting, the total package.

But mostly it's the guns :)

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Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:02 PM

JCOBB


Might want to watch the liberal bashin, we got our fair share here it seems.

Anyways, glad to see another firearm enthusiast here.

I don't care, I'm still free.

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:55 AM

CYBERSNARK


Also another kook here. Welcome, I'm sure you'll fit right in.

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:03 AM

CARDIE


It does go to show how wide Firefly's appeal is. My friends and I spend a lot of time talking about how dangerous guns are and how stupid conservatives are, but we love the BDH too.

Cardie

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:27 AM

JCKNIFE


Good point, Cardie--at least we have that in common!

I didn't mean to come in here and pick a fight--I just wanted to point out how I came to learn about the show. And to some extent, if I can't be myself, ain't much point in bein' here.

But I'm not into petty bickering and name calling. Civil debate is fun. If we just stay on topic that's fine with me, too (but I already see other posts about Bush and Michael Moore and stuff it'll be hard to stay out of )

So--next dumb question--is everybody pretty much moving over to the "official" site or will this place survive?

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:54 AM

MEDUSA


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:I do spend a lot of time on AR15.com, where we talk about how cool guns are and how stupid liberals are.


I can't subscribe to that opinion. I don't think guns are cool. In my opionon they are dangerous. But this isn't the place to discuss such matters, is it.

The woods are the only place I can see a clear path.

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:19 AM

JUSTASHEPHERD


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:


So--next dumb question--is everybody pretty much moving over to the "official" site or will this place survive?



Well, I'm signed up on the new "official" site, but I won't stop coming here. Too much shiny stuff here.

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:22 AM

JCKNIFE


Gosh, it's not really a matter of opinion that guns are dangerous--that's a fact!

So are cars, buckets of water, high-school football...all of these things kill more kids than guns.

"it's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:31 AM

CLEANER


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
"it's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."



Absolute Gold

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:34 AM

ZARK1976


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
Gosh, it's not really a matter of opinion that guns are dangerous--that's a fact!

So are cars, buckets of water, high-school football...all of these things kill more kids than guns.

"it's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."



Perfect use of the quote JCKnife. I was surprised to learn that this show reared its head on a gun enthusiast's chat board. I guess it goes to show that people are multi faceted, there isn't just pro-gun anti sci-fi, or pro sci-fi anti gun. There's a wide mix. My feeling has always been, if you're enough of an enthusiast about one thing, it's likely that you will more likely have big enthusiasms about other things. Just because someone carries a gun and likes talking about them, does not mean that they won't enjoy geeking out about a SCi-Fi TV series. I think it's great, diversity is the true constant in people.

It's great to have you join us.

"Could be he's harboring some resentment at us for putting his man through our engine."

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:08 AM

BARNSTORMER


I know what you mean Jcknife.

Welcome to the club.

Best part about it is that we don't have to just sit around and "Winge" (sp) about it being cancelled so soon in its tender year(s) cause we got a shiny new movie to look forward to in less than a year

HeeHee

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:40 AM

BARNSTORMER


Quote:

Originally posted by rklenseth:
Welcome fellow Browncoat to our ranks!

You better watch it though. There are quite a few liberal Browncoats around these parts that like to put up a fight. I'm not one of them but be forewarned.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.



Agreed!!
It can get to be a dark and dirty world when you venture into the political type threads

Beware... there be monsters

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


I couldn't believe I fell in love with a TV show either! I'm like you... Sienfeld who? What and the City? The last TV show I watched w/ semi-regularity was the first couple of years of ER. Before that... um, MASH maybe. And before that, the ORIGINAL Star Trek. Yeah, I'm THAT old!

My SO kept trying to interest me in FF. I drifted through the livingroom for a couple of shows, then got hooked by Out of Gas. The spent the NEXT episodes watching and kicking myself for having missed the first shows! When word of the DVD came out, all I could think of was "THANK YOU JESUS!" And I'm not even religious!

So- howdy!

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:09 AM

MEDUSA


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
Gosh, it's not really a matter of opinion that guns are dangerous--that's a fact!
"it's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."



Good point. But that leads to the conclusion: People who own them and use (or misuse!)them are dangerous. And that's not very comforting, is it.

The woods are the only place I can see a clear path.

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:10 AM

MEDUSA


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
Gosh, it's not really a matter of opinion that guns are dangerous--that's a fact!
"it's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."



Good point. But that leads to the conclusion: People who own them and use (or misuse!)them are dangerous. And that's not very comforting, is it.

The woods are the only place I can see a clear path.

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:19 AM

JCKNIFE


Those people certainly CAN be dangerous. What is required is a thorough understanding of the rules and an utmost respect for them. I think you'll find that 98% of gun enthusiasts have those things, and 98% of criminals do not. So in the end, it's criminals who are dangerous, which is a given.


"Every well-bred petty crook knows--the small concealable weapons always go to the far left of the place setting."

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:07 PM

GUNHAND


Quote:

Originally posted by Medusa:
Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
Gosh, it's not really a matter of opinion that guns are dangerous--that's a fact!
"it's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."



Good point. But that leads to the conclusion: People who own them and use (or misuse!)them are dangerous. And that's not very comforting, is it.

The woods are the only place I can see a clear path.



Okay I have to take a little bit of umbrage at the "people who own them and use them are dangerous" part. The misuse I can agree with you on, 100% just like I'd agree that anyone who misuses a car, alcohol or a wood chipper is probably dangerous.

But my job requires me to carry them, and occasionally to use them. Guns are very much a tool, just like anything else. If you run around like an idiot with them then you're as irresponsible as someone who runs around with scissors or a chainsaw. The idiocy factor being the dangerous bit not the thing used to inflict the idiocy.

I'm a cowboy, yeah they really do still exist, and I work on a ranch in the middle of nowhere which is within spitting distance of the Mexican border. Not having firearms in that situation is irresponsible and dangerous. The closest police are over a half hour away and there is all manner of wildlife that just loves the taste of horseflesh (and peopleflesh in some instances) running about. If a Javilina goes all sorts of soft in the brainpan and is going after one of our prize Arabians yelling at him ain't gonna cut it. Not to mention coyotes, about 6 types of rattlesnakes, mountain lions, the occasional bear (whodathunkit?), packs of wild dogs people dump in the desert, etc. etc.

I have guns, I have to. Sometimes I even have to use them, in fact I've had to use them more often than I thought I would when I took the job at the place. But I don't consider myself dangerous. What I do consider dangerous are people who make sweeping assumptions about people who do have need to carry and/or use guns. Not everyone lives in a nice and tidy well policed and shiny city, some of us live in what is still in a lot of ways the Wild, Wild West.

I'm against people using guns irresponsibly, anyone who's not off their nut isn't. But a lot of these blanket "no one should have guns" (I know you didn't go that far yet but it's not a far leap) statements get my dander up a little. I know where I live if none of us were allowed to have guns we wouldn't be able to survive. Not talking not survive as in not making a good living, I mean not survive as in corpsified if worse comes to worst. It's just the way things are.

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around playing art critic till I get pinched by
the Man, how's about we move away from this
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Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:51 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Welcome

I don't see this place dieing anytime soon, it provides too much that the new OB dosn't (ie Filks, pics, etc.).

Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
...where we talk about how cool guns are and how stupid liberals are...



Note: You shouldn't make such statments when you don't know who you are talking to.



----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:06 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Gunhand:
...
But my job requires me to carry them, and occasionally to use them.
...
What I do consider dangerous are people who make sweeping assumptions about people who do have need to carry and/or use guns.
...
But a lot of these blanket "no one should have guns" (I know you didn't go that far yet but it's not a far leap) statements get my dander up a little.



I am very much for gun control. We have it here in the Great White North and things are still all well and good with the world.

That being said, I have no problem (nor anyone I have talked to) with people that carry firearms as related to there work. If you expect to be put in a dangerous situation during work then it *is* irresponsible *not* carry a firearm.

I am for gun control because these instances basically requiring the carrying of firearms is quite rare (though probably more common than I think, it'll still be too rare to not have gun control, IMHO). So, then rules should be set up to license people who need them.


I have never met someone who thinks that *no-one* should carry guns. I believe this to be society dependent. Here in North America we have bad guys that carry heavy weaponry, so, we need our cops to carry sufficient fire power to combat these people. The British are luck that they don't need there cops to carry.


When it comes to hunting, I believe that using firearms is unfair. I'm for using the bow and arrow. But, then again, opinions will differ.

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:20 PM

DARKJESTER


Welcome, JCKnife! I guess I'm one of those stupid liberals you and some of your friends talk about (and a I'm a former gun owner who is a pacifist - how's that for a dichotomy?).
So long as you like Firefly, you will always be welcome here, whatever your politics. You have already shown yourself to be discerning and tasteful just by searching this place out!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:52 PM

RECHELON



Guns? Dangerous?

Guns aren't dangerous!!! What kind of crazy talk is that? Dangerous.

--Although, for the record, most people don't like it when ya shoot at em. Figured that out myself.--

We're gonna need 'em when Bush and co. start setting up the death camps in Idaho.

Stupid, wussy Liberals... Yall will be the first to go. Those of us armed to the teeth? Not so much.

My favorite so far is a Jackhammer (shotgun) mounted with a titanium bayonet.

That way, if they get to close to stab, you can always pull the trigger.

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:42 PM

JCKNIFE


[quote=Sigmanunki]Note: You shouldn't make such statments when you don't know who you are talking to.


But...that IS what we talk about on ARFCOM. I was just sharing how I learned about the show.

DARKJESTER--thanks for the classy welcome. I really appreciate it. I will honestly say that previous boards I've spent much time on didn't offer a lot of diversity of opinions. I'm looking forward to that here, especially if folks can be sensible about it like you seem to be.


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Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:11 PM

MALICIOUS


Jcknife:

Howdy and welcome! Glad to have you here.

Have a blast!


Mal-licious

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Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:43 PM

DAVCO92


Howdy JCKNIFE, new Browncoats are always welcome around these here parts. The natives are generally "plenty civilized", even regardin' some topics that might ruffle a few tail feathers now and then. Be sure to come visit a spell whenever ya get the urge and don't forget to bring some friends. We lost the last one due to "superior numbers", but it looks like we've got 'em licked this time around. Also, that there DVD set you're packin' can be a powerful hiddeous weapon against them there Alliance purplebellies. Loan it to a friend and see what happens...




Burn the land, boil the sea...

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Friday, June 25, 2004 8:35 AM

SOUTHERNMERC


Welcome, friend! Glad to have you around. Don't mind the crazy-psychic-girl, she's peacable.

When did this become a political board?

Jayne: "See, Vera? You get dressed up, you get taken someplace fun!"

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Friday, June 25, 2004 10:29 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
[quote=Sigmanunki]Note: You shouldn't make such statments when you don't know who you are talking to.



But...that IS what we talk about on ARFCOM. I was just sharing how I learned about the show.



You could've shared how you came to know about the show without mentioning talking about the "stupid liberals". You could've just mentioned where you came across the show.

I'm just saying that when coming to a new place it's best to not off handedly mention things that could get you kicked straight away, or, at least marked as a . It's just a lucky thing that the people here are really nice or... I'll reference the getting kicked again.

Well, at least not start the discussion. But, if one is already going then all is good. I do believe that I've ruffled a few feathers from time to time

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Friday, June 25, 2004 10:37 AM

JCKNIFE


I appreciate the notion that I came barging through the door with my mouth running ahead of the rest of me, and maybe that wasn't the most civilized thing to do. But when it gets right down to it you can't know me without knowing that's how I feel; and like I said, if I can't be myself, ain't much point in being here. Can I get you a beer or something?

"If anyone gets nosy, just...you know... shoot 'em."

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Friday, June 25, 2004 11:37 AM

KARENKAY99


Welcome JCKnife!!

My, my, you got 'em all stired up!!
Wacky fun!! :)

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

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Friday, June 25, 2004 1:50 PM

MER


Welcome Jcknife :)

I hope you'll enjoy your stay here.

I'm going to sign up to the official board one day, but I just don't know when. I'll still be here though :) Can't forget my first FF site ^-^

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Friday, June 25, 2004 6:32 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by JCKnife:
I appreciate the notion that I came barging through the door with my mouth running ahead of the rest of me, and maybe that wasn't the most civilized thing to do. But when it gets right down to it you can't know me without knowing that's how I feel; and like I said, if I can't be myself, ain't much point in being here. Can I get you a beer or something?

"If anyone gets nosy, just...you know... shoot 'em."



Sure, next rounds on me

But, just saying that you might want to tone it down a bit till you know your surroundings. We all get to know eachother gradually anyway. Being cautious doesn't typically lead to bad things, but, not being cautious...

But, enough with that, let's drink

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Thursday, July 1, 2004 11:03 AM

NERVOUSPETE



Hullo, JCKnife!

Welcome to the board, you have indeed chosen the TV show of champions. I salute your discerning tastes.

I consider myself a liberal, though over here in the UK that doesn't really carry any stigma, nor does being conservative. I think it's because we all meet in the same bars and get drunk together and argue good-naturedly... well, usually. Sometimes we even subscribe to opposing views while still maintaining our allegiences. I wish some people on the net were more willing to listen to other views and converse in a way that uses reasoning and empathy, but I guess I hope for too much given this lil'l baby we call the internet. Let it be said that you seem a nice chap, and are always welcome. Personally I think guns are dangerous (well, they fire a high velocity lead slug, figure it out) but I think the main danger comes from a naive innocence as to the damage they can do. If Hollywood were to start showing the real damage they can do, the really mess they can cause to a body, maybe fools wouldn't shoot them at other people. I see nothing wrong with firing at targets. As for keeping guns to fend off a dictatorship, those wars in such developed societies as America are won and lost through information, propaganda and dissent. If America were to fall into darkness, it would come in a subtle form that would be initially embraced. No initial independant force of arms could resist it. It would take guts and dissent and sacrifice. That being said, if I had to defend my loved ones, a gun would be most effective. Though personally I do archery, but I guess the axe murderer would have to wait while I string my bow. So... erm, I guess since the shootings at the school in Dunblane in Scotland (actually worse than Columbine, around a decade ago) I've been for very strict gun control. But then I have never lived in America, so I can only speak for my nation.

Gosh, that would sound amazingly weak and liberal, I guess, if I didn't heartily enjoy John Woo's Hong Kong movies and relish Jayne's gunplay.

All I'm saying is, argue with courtesy (and I'm frowning at liberal's name-calling here too!) and without anger or contempt, and I'd be happy to listen, argue with and pound some beers with you any day.

Welcome, JCKnife!

Pete

"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
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