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Friday, April 4, 2014 1:43 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


I love SECONDS art work and saw a post that suggested SECOND was last here sometime in 2009. I have sent Second a message but fear I will not hear back. Is SECOND still active at this site? I ask because I keep seeing postings attributed to SECOND, so the post that suggests SECOND has not visited the site since 2009 is confusing.

SECOND in not the only one I have seen a post from that suggests they have not been here for years yet they appear to still be posting info and comments.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

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Friday, April 4, 2014 3:33 PM

MOOSE


I'd have to say that the "last here" info is wrong.
My profile shows me last here 8/13. I can assure you I've been here since then.
Probably just a glitch in the system.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 3:36 PM

CHRISISALL


SECOND was just on the thread I started the other day.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 4:10 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


I am glad to say I heard from SECOND who assured me the posts were current and made by him or her. Tricky to navigate that. Anyway thanks for the response to my question.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 7:01 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Second has also posted under the username Two. Not sure it they're interchangeable or if he (she?) stopped using one and switched to the other.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 7:22 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I just checked my profile and it says I was last here in September of 2012. I may not post something everyday, but I don't think there have been many (if any) days since Jan. 2004, that I haven't visited this site.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 7:55 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Wow that's a long time. I like running into the people who created the movement that lives on till this day. Thanks

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Friday, April 4, 2014 10:32 PM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


second is two logging in using gmail ID and two is second logging in using a defunct verizon.net mail address.

I have some other free things people have posted at
www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

There is:
Every Firefly Script plus More.zip Size: 2 MB
Maps of the Verse.zip 16 MB

And 3 free comic books:
Serenity-Downtime (2010).cbr 4 MB
Serenity-Its Never Easy (2012).cbr 15 MB
Serenity-The Other Half (2008).cbr 3 MB
Software reviews for comic readers are at http://lifehacker.com/5858906/five-best-desktop-comic-book-readers/all
Or just unzip the pictures by changing .cbr file suffix to .rar and clicking on the new filename.

http://bostonology.deviantart.com/art/Vera-443253084


The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 4, 2014 10:33 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by two:
second is two logging in using gmail ID and two is second logging in using a defunct verizon.net mail address.

I concur and second the motion.
http://mjasonreed.deviantart.com/art/Mal-440186434


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 4, 2014 11:07 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


So can we finally get the he/she/both/neither thing answered???

I thought you were a guy myself.... but I admit I don't pay much attention either way...

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:22 AM

MOOSE


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Wow that's a long time. I like running into the people who created the movement that lives on till this day. Thanks



And I absolutely love seeing new fans finding the show and the 'Verse that comes along with it.
You all are a lot of the reason it still "lives on till this day."

Thank you.



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Saturday, April 5, 2014 6:03 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Sorry if I started something Second, two or concur but I have ta admit I got a kick out of your last post.

And I am glad you got the whole he/she thing figured out Wishimay, because I am still in the dark about that.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:50 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
So can we finally get the he/she/both/neither thing answered???

I thought you were a guy myself.... but I admit I don't pay much attention either way...

I am words on a screen.
http://brightflare.deviantart.com/art/The-Serenity-444742900


The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:54 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


I claim I'm more than a spambot. But not much more.

Did anyone notice that George W Bush is now a painter? If only he would do portraits of the Firefly crew to raise awareness.
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/04/meet-george-w
-bush-artist
/

http://regeneratedarts.deviantart.com/art/Shepherd-Book-445085983



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:57 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Seriously, that's what you're going with??
I mean I don't care anything about your personal life, but having a gender reference would help.

And I thought I was paranoid


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Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:11 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Seriously, that's what you're going with??
I mean I don't care anything about your personal life, but having a gender reference would help.

And I thought I was paranoid


You didn't ask me what my picture means: Summer Glau is a marine biologist with a submarine in Avatar 2. Tragically, her mother is Sigourney Weaver, killed in the first Avatar. And, tragedy piled on tragedy, Summer was paralyzed in a scuba diving accident and needs an avatar. That's the movie James Cameron should make. http://collider.com/avatar-2-avatar-3-avatar-4-sequels-story/

I see that Stephen Lang, who played evil Colonel Miles Quaritch in Avatar, is signed on for all three sequels. I predict the evil Colonel has an evil Twin because the Colonel died in Avatar. http://collider.com/avatar-2-sequels-news-james-cameron/


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 10:50 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Frist, SECOND I think you may be smarter than many of us. Second, or point two is, I think you are very upset Wash was killed off. I.E. the thread to the script you always post. And the concurrent point I would make is I think you are enjoying all this, he said she said. Which suggests I believe you are real and not a spambot.

You can bet I will be checking out the links you post. Great sketch of Serenity over the dictionary. Hope this is new to you. Serenity with a facelift. ( Beautiful isn't she )











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Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:08 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Second, I think you are very upset Wash was killed off. And the concurrent point I would make is I think you are enjoying all this.

Yes, I am enjoying.

Did anybody notice that Avatar (2009) reused the idea of Wash's mode of death? Colonel Quaritch got a wood shaft through the chest. And yet the actor playing the Colonel is returning in the sequels. http://collider.com/avatar-2-sequels-news-james-cameron/ There is hope for Wash returning.

I changed my mind about Wash's death. Originally I disliked that everybody on the bridge (Mal, Zoe, Wash) could see the Reavers out the front window and did not react. That ugly ship was big and close and had just shot them down! How do you ignore that danger? The audience couldn't see what was coming, but Mal should have. Or Zoe.

But a good short story, which changed my mind, was written a week after the movie came out about Wash's death. So, Joss Whedon is forgiven for killing Wash. It was all worthwhile. Too bad Joss didn't turn an expanded version of that story into a year long run of comics. http://kieyra.livejournal.com/186086.html or www.fireflyfans.net/bluesun.aspx?bid=5185

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:31 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


I heard Joss suggest that he did in Wash because, he wanted to express to the audience he would actually kill of other stars of the show to keep us in suspense. If he killed Wash would someone else be next? Since he believed this was the last of the show. He wanted the fans to go through the ending on a roller-coaster of expatiations of what was to come.

I don't hear people discuss it much but I was disappointed about Wash and Book. It suggested to me a finality of the show I still do not want to concede.

While I liked the ending where Wash lived in the Magic script you posted a link to. I have to admit reluctantly, I have not see Avatar.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:34 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
You didn't ask me what my picture means: Summer Glau is a marine biologist with a submarine in Avatar



That's because Avatar was pretentious Hollyweird drivel, and like The Wrath of Khan reboot it does a great job of dazzling people who can't see beyond hype and judge for themselves...I'm sorry I took the time to watch it ONCE. Bad acting, insincere plot, not believable love story...The only thing good about it was THE CGI!!!

I really don't understand how you get soo caught up in these weird fantasist delusions that are NEVER gonna happen. You do it all the time too, trying to tell people how storylines SHOULD go and they are always so far out in left field you're playing you're OWN GAME. Go write some childrens stories, because lack of logic still works when you're four...



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Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:00 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Wow, Wishimay what brought that on? It is all fantasy is it not? It is what I use as an escape from the struggle of the day to day grind. Of which, I am feeling a lot of lately. It is what brought me to this site.

I feel more than a bit responsible for this. I started this conversation by pursuing SECOND. Who I appreciate responding to me.

I am figuring you are having a bad day because your thing if I may say is being very inviting and helpful to all. It is what I appreciate most about you. SECOND is doing what SECOND likes to do. It is nothing more than that.



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Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Aww, don't pay it no mind, MIKER. Small ship. People bound to get on each others' nerves here & there. A little tussle never hurt no one.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:36 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:


I feel more than a bit responsible for this. I started this conversation by pursuing SECOND. Who I appreciate responding to me.

I am figuring you are having a bad day



Miker, no offence man, this has NOTHING to do with you at all. I am not having a bad day. Like I said I've been around here a long time, and Two and I rarely see eye to eye on anything. People have passionate discussions here, but it don't mean 'nothing. I'll still be here tomorrow, and so will he. I'd recommend not going to the Real World Discussion Threads if you don't like to see people disagree.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:53 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


This whole post was about SECOND responding to me. If you don't like what is posted you don't have to comment. Just move on. This is not a discussion about god or politics and should not illicit that kind of response.

Just my opinion:

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 6:41 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
This whole post was about SECOND responding to me. If you don't like what is posted you don't have to comment. Just move on. This is not a discussion about god or politics and should not illicit that kind of response.



You've been here a whole five seconds and you're already telling me how I should and shouldn't comment??? When you don't even have a CLUE???

Just because you started a thread, don't make you god of it. I'll reply to whom and about what I like. Welcome to itza FREE DAMN COUNTRY.

Just because I'm the welcome wagon, doesn't mean I'm Mistress of Peace and Tranquility and opinionless. Fights happen. Welcome TO THE INTERNET.

He used my valid question to pander to yet another useless agenda which again you know nothin' about.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 6:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Oh, a tussle...

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:55 PM

MOOSE


lol


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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:28 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


I live in the outside world and needed a distraction. You sure do provide that. In spades. Sometimes 5 seconds is enough to see the layout. It is for me anyway. Try anger management. I will not be looking back I am moving on. I will read newer posts and make them. I, like SECOND has learned to do, will ignore you when you go off your meds.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:48 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
I will read newer posts and make them. I, like SECOND has learned to do, will ignore you when you go off your meds.

MIKER, read the posts you want, have fun, but please don't come in to a new situation & preach. "Meds"? That's just a bit too troll-like IMO.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:59 PM

CHRISISALL





Removed.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:18 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I think everyone needs to calm down, take a deep breath, and back away from this thread before something else is said that might be regretted later. There's no point in name-calling and trash talk.

We're all just folk here. Please don't take the sky from me.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:20 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by CHRISISALL:



WARNING: SOCKPUPPETRY DETECTED. "MIKER" HAS WAITED LESS THAN ONE LUNAR CYCLE BEFORE BECOMING MEAN AND JUDGEMENTAL. NON-SEQUITUR. "MIKER" IS FALSE. PROBABILITY THAT HE IS INDIGENOUS MEMBER.



Naw, couldn't be- I've had to explain how every little thing here works. He's naturally grumpy though, as he's already complained about thirty times and he's only been here a week (chat don't work the way he want it to, heh)

Ironically, he's going for social work and no one could be more FOR kids than me (and Frem), but if he's gonna last five minutes HERE OR OUT THERE he's gonna have to see arguing as conflict resolution and not as assault...
No better place for that than here, it's where I learned it


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Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I think everyone needs to calm down, take a deep breath, and back away from this thread before something else is said that might be regretted later

The mere mention of "Meds" is inflammatory. A small amount of thought before a potentially hurtful post is all I ask.
Otherwise I could go all Mal.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:58 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

I really don't understand how you get soo caught up in these weird fantasist delusions that are NEVER gonna happen. You do it all the time too . . .

This is good. Ventilate your feelings. Better out than in.

A video called The physicist as novelist: Alan Lightman was posted on youtube, April 1, 2014

Scientists and artists are seeking truth. In the sciences, it is truth in the world of mass and force -- the external world -- and in the arts, it is truth in the world of the mind and the heart -- the internal world.

Inspired by Alan Lightman's video, my spin on comic books:
There is a large catalog of known behavior and human psychology that a good writer must stay within. Study it, then use it in your art. Only certain things, even though a large variety, can happen with humans. I know, I know, comic books are full of never-will-exist people in impossible situations, so why can't those rules be broken on every sixth page?

Many comic book ( and TV and movie) writers freely throw away the catalog of behavior and psychology. They are under tremendous pressure, because of deadlines and production schedules, to make it all up and to hell with consistency with human nature -- not all writers can be James Joyce. And their comic books feel false and their readers either can make their very own quick, ad hoc, explanations for characters' actions inconsistent with being real humans, since writer did not do the mental work necessary because time ran out, or the readers can stop reading bad art.

And, while I'm sad Jodorowsky didn't make Dune, I probably wouldn't have understood it. - www.fthismovie.net/2014/04/review-jodorowskys-dune-adam-riskes-take.ht
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:25 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Summer Glau and Alan Tudyk were at St Louis Comic Con this weekend.
The all inclusive source for Firefly actor appearances is http://fireflyactorappearances.blogspot.com/

http://skys-gal.deviantart.com/art/Summer-Glau-445569083


http://skys-gal.deviantart.com/art/Alan-Tudyk-St-Louis-Comic-Con-44556
8808




Alan Tudyk recalling executive producer Gail Berman's feelings about canceling Firefly, from this weekend at St. Louis Comic Con. Alan references Gail Berman's wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gail_Berman

I did not know until now that it was Gail Berman who decided to put Firefly into the Friday Night Death Slot. From regret, she has decided to put "Sorry I canceled Firefly" on her tombstone.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:14 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by second:



Scientists and artists are seeking truth. In the sciences, it is truth in the world of mass and force -- the external world -- and in the arts, it is truth in the world of the mind and the heart -- the internal world.



Here's the thing...

You like internal imagination land sooo much, that most of your plot ideas are just pure randomness. Most people exist and operate within tangible, plausible land because CHAOS IS ANNOYING!!! You may be good at imagination, but you are shite at communication, and it's kinda necessary if you want anyone to listen to you. Every single time you've pitched a plot I've thought "I'd like to smoke what he's smokin'"

Just so you fully understand, I'm married to a guy that has Aspergers. My life revolves around understanding the unintelligible and the esoteric. At one time, my life also revolved around art and the abstract. I've had conversations with hundreds of people all over the globe and at least been able to see where each one is coming from. What I don't get??? YOU.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:46 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
What I don't get??? YOU.

Alan Tudyk - "What If King Candy & Alpha Fought?" at Wizard World NOLA 2014




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 7, 2014 6:51 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Loving these posts SECOND.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 10:26 AM

BYTEMITE


That fire burned fast.

This wasn't a mere argument or conflict resolution, it's a flame war. It's kinda sad that things around here have gotten so tense that we don't even notice the difference anymore.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 10:29 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


There is a Firefly website with joke art that is worth your while. www.etakooramnahsmech.com/

www.etakooramnahsmech.com/?p=600
Why didn’t Mal give Tracy a message in The Message?



By the same artist there is a gallery of Firefly characters at http://rubbishdesigner.deviantart.com/gallery/45978929
The portraits are deliberately without features, making it easy (maybe less difficult?) to imagine yourself as one of them.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 7, 2014 10:46 AM

BYTEMITE


Mal didn't tell Tracey because Tracey didn't want to listen. And started shooting people.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Mal didn't tell Tracey because Tracey didn't want to listen. And started shooting people.

I think the reason with Tracey was the same as why Mal shoots the Alliance military man who was trying to surrender on Haven. It had nothing to do with justice in Mal's mind. When somebody gets in his way and will never again be useful to Mal, they become targets, things, not people to be persuaded. It is automatic, a reflex, with Mal. He doesn't need to think before pulling the trigger. It is instinct.

That's why Mal killed all of Patience's men but left her alive. Patience was still worth dealing with in the future and her men weren't.

Same thing happened to the guy named Crow, who Mal kicked into Serenity's engine. Crow declared he wouldn't be Mal's bagman and then he made a death threat to Mal and then Mal killed him and moved on to the next guy and asked him to be the bagman. I'll take a leap of imagination and say that the next guy would have also died if he had refused Mal's demands.

It is all about Mal's instincts. Ethics, morals, rules of war don't guide him. Maybe he feels bad later, but not at the moment of the kill. It feels right.

Same thing with Zoe. Jayne would be different. That guy was never remorseful about anybody he killed. And Book constantly regrets every kill, even the ones that deserved it.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 12:36 PM

MIKER

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"That's why Mal killed all of Patience's men but left her alive. Patience was still worth dealing with in the future and her men weren't". SECOND

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Mal shot the last of Patience's men in the leg. After that guy had just shot Mal in the arm. He didn't kill him. Mal shot those who needed shooting without regret but not unless it needed doing.

Jayne killed Tracey.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 12:52 PM

BYTEMITE


> It had nothing to do with justice in Mal's mind.

Oooor Mal has a different concept of justice than you do. It happens.

Considering all the people you mentioned Mal killing in cold blood were in fact people who were actively trying to kill them or threatening to kill them or retroactively tried to kill him and the crew and other people at the time, I'm not really sure they're more sympathetic than he is.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 1:15 PM

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Mal also could have popped one off on the guy who shot him in out of gas. He could kill coldly and did but not without a reason. Like he had to.

" Just doing what you would have done. Well as you can clearly see I haven't ". Mal and the guy who shot him parting words.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 1:58 PM

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Mal shot the last of Patience's men in the leg. After that guy had just shot Mal in the arm. He didn't kill him. Mal shot those who needed shooting without regret but not unless it needed doing.

Jayne killed Tracey.

I'll say Mal was looking more at his bullet-torn sleeve than at the target, so he missed killing him. Zoe did shoot somebody in the back while he was escaping on a horse. Get in the way of Mal, Zoe or Jayne and you're almost surely dead. Mal never gives much thought to working out a way to deal with anybody dangerous or unworthy of his trust. First thing that comes to his mind is killing them. There are exceptions: when Mal is not doing the planning. Inara left Saffron in the garbage bin. Inara doesn't instinctively kill problems in order to deal with them. Mal did not kill Saffron the other time, possibly because Inara would not approve of coldblooded murder of women. Mal didn't kill the sword duelist, either. He can restrain himself when Inara is watching.

Another time Mal was expecting Jubal Early to suffocate in space. To Mal's regret that did not happen and Early returned in a comic book, more dangerous than before. I don't expect Early to survive Mal, unless Mal can use him to rescue Zoe. Waiting for the next issue to find out.

And to Tracey Mal said You mailed your ugly business to me. I'll go to Hell before I watch you turn and bite us for the favor. Something like that. That's the death sentence. Mal didn't have to pull the trigger. Zoe, Jayne or the police could do it for him.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 2:12 PM

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then Mal killed him and moved on to the next guy and asked him to be the bagman. I'll take a leap of imagination and say that the next guy would have also died if he had refused Mal's demands.

Nah, he wouldn't have. UNLESS that one also started a rant about hunting them all down & killing them too. Fortunately, he was smarter than that.
I think you may not be rememberin' that "Darn" that Mal muttered before he kicked Crow out; he doesn't enjoy killin' no one.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 2:44 PM

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then Mal killed him and moved on to the next guy and asked him to be the bagman. I'll take a leap of imagination and say that the next guy would have also died if he had refused Mal's demands.

Nah, he wouldn't have. UNLESS that one also started a rant about hunting them all down & killing them too. Fortunately, he was smarter than that.
I think you may not be rememberin' that "Darn" that Mal muttered before he kicked Crow out; he doesn't enjoy killin' no one.

Mal is not a psycho serial murderer; killing is his most expeditious method to handle people problems. When Inara would disapprove, Mal finds a less efficient, longer path to a solution.

"Since when is killing wrong? I missed that lesson in Sunday Bible school. All I remember are those Old Testament stories about slaying God's foes. I watched a lot of TV, too." - Mal Reynolds

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Monday, April 7, 2014 3:08 PM

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"If someone tries to kill you, you try and kill 'em right back."

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Monday, April 7, 2014 3:25 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


I think you are being a little hard on Mal SECOND. In Heart of Gold Inara gave Mal the go ahead when the town tyrant killed her friend. It was written all over her face when she and Mal exchanged glances. Yet he didn't. After Mal pushed Early into nothingness in Objects in Space, Mal and Inara were in front of the infirmary. Inara implied in the way she asked Mal if he would survive, she could care less. Besides, Early had taken Mal on pretty easily a few minutes before. It would not be prudent to give the guy a chance.

The best example that Mal played to win was in serenity. When the operative
said to Mal, " I am unarmed " and Mal said " good " and shot him. He would do what he knew or believed he had to. No more, no less.

P.S. Anyone who has or does own a gun. Should know DON'T PULL IT UNLESS YOU INTEND TO USE IT. THE NEXT RULE IS SHOOT TO KILL.

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