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BrownCoats Will Rise Again!

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:27 PM

BROWNCOATKARMA


The Brown Coats Shall Rise Again!I have been speaking with some friends of mine with the sci fi network (scifi channel) Sci fi is thinking of picking up the show and doing with it what they did with Stargate Sg-1... So lets all keep our fingers crossed!

- Karma


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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:37 PM

RAWDEAL


thats the best news I've heard so far (after the SERENITY movie)

Jayne: "Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in command."

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:38 PM

CARDIE


Hmmm, Universal and SciFi are all owned by the same conglomerate. All they have to do is buy out the tv rights from 20th-Century Fox.

Stargate switched channels (Showtime to SciFi) but MGM remained the producing company.

I hope your friends are on to something.

Cardie

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:47 PM

BROWNCOATKARMA


Yeah , I just recently got into the show.. I am a civil war reenactor and a myfriend's wife told me about this great show that mixes 19th victorian with modern chinese. Being a buddhist and an ex army ranger , i was totally into it , so she let me borrow the dvd set , i was hooked , and then yes i'll admit it heartbroken not to get an ending. I finished the series today , so of course i immediately sent out emails to all of my friends in high places!! I'll keep ya all updated as the info comes in.

We have to get this show back on the air , its a hell of a lot better than all of the gorram out there today! I love how the Brown coats resmemble the southern cause.. lol my email address is sgtjbtomsey@aol.com for anyone who wants to email me directly



Karma (YES THATS MY NAME)

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:48 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


While I'd love for it to happen, I've been burned too many times before by people who have unspecified inside knowledge, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

If it did happen though, that would deserve a big damn shindig.



Star Pilot Grainger
"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."
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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:00 PM

BROWNCOATKARMA


Hey! Great News well not so good but a good oportunity! my friend from sci fi gave me an email address. He said to flood them with emails , asking for them to pick up the show. He said that if they get a large enough volume his team can make a large push to get it on the air again even make new ones! So please people he is doing this as a personal favor to me so send emails out the waz zoo!!

program@www.scifi.com

Karma

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:45 PM

SHINY


Shot off a quick note to the e-mail addy you provided:

---

Hi there,

I just heard some rumors about SciFi considering picking up Firefly and I wanted to chime in with my support for this wonderful, intelligent, unconventional show. Fox never gave the show a chance with their schedule changes and preemptions every other week but they were proven wrong with the hundreds of thousands of DVD sets sold and of course the recent greenlighting of the Firefly-based movie, Serenity. Please seriously consider bringing Firefly back to television -- the SciFi network could pull off a HUGE coup with this show and bring even non-mainstream SF fans into the network in droves.


"I left my heart in Serenity Valley"

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:52 PM

SHINY


Incidentally, your friends at sci fi network do know of the over 200,000 DVD box sets sold, correct? Would additional information, such as a collection of all the positive reviews and press mentions, help? I think I saw a thread around here somewhere where someone tried to compile 'em all.

"I left my heart in Serenity Valley"

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:13 PM

JAYSEDAI


250,000 last I heard, and that was over a month ago...

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:13 PM

STANDING8


sent an email. i say we send a tidal wave of emails in their direction. it absolutely makes no sense why the "SCI-FI channel" doesnt have firefly in its lineup.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:07 PM

SHINY


Yeah, at the very least, they should re-run the original eps before Serenity opens next year!

"I left my heart in Serenity Valley"

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:13 PM

DAVCO92


Interesting news Karma. I'm a bit of a skeptic by nature , but it would certainly be a welcome surprise. Is there anything you can tell us about your friend at the SciFi channel that's also fan? I always find it interesting to hear about fellow Browncoats doing recon behind enemy lines.

Burn the land, boil the sea...

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:13 PM

JCOBB


I sent off my email.

I don't care, I'm still free.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:12 PM

JAYSEDAI


Not that I want to discourage anyone from writing in. (Please do!) But, I should point out that I've read on numerous occasions that Universal's contract stipulates that the show can't make return to TV for a several years.

Now how many years, and from what date has been is up to debate. It may be possible for it to return to TV as early as 2006 or as late as 2009, depending on who you talk to.

Of course it could be just another baseless internet rumor. So don't listen to me, keep writing. But keep it polite, of course.

Jeremy

Latest movie news at: www.serenitymovie.net

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:14 PM

BROWNCOATKARMA


The guy I know served with me , his father got him a job with the sci fi network. We just gotta keep on sendin emails and tellin' others , this show is to damn good to be thrown in a damn basement. Its very rare to come across such great television. We can't let the corprate machine win!

Karma

Karma

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:48 PM

MAKEROFPATHS


As you probably know, Jeremy, lots 'o money will unlock the chains that bind.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:21 PM

RAVENMYTH


I would love to see Firefly return but I don't have cable...it would be great if they could do like Stargate and have it in syndication as well. That is the only way I get to see Stargate even if it is a year behind from cable. It's enough though until something changes.

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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:37 PM

DARKARCHON


Has anyone thought to post this on the OB? The more the merrier as they say.

-Dark

"Well, here I am."

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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:03 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoatKarma:
Yeah , I just recently got into the show.. I am a civil war reenactor and a myfriend's wife told me about this great show that mixes 19th victorian with modern chinese. Being a buddhist and an ex army ranger , i was totally into it , so she let me borrow the dvd set , i was hooked , and then yes i'll admit it heartbroken not to get an ending. I finished the series today , so of course i immediately sent out emails to all of my friends in high places!! I'll keep ya all updated as the info comes in.

We have to get this show back on the air , its a hell of a lot better than all of the gorram out there today! I love how the Brown coats resmemble the southern cause.. lol my email address is sgtjbtomsey@aol.com for anyone who wants to email me directly

Hey! Great News well not so good but a good oportunity! my friend from sci fi gave me an email address. He said to flood them with emails , asking for them to pick up the show. He said that if they get a large enough volume his team can make a large push to get it on the air again even make new ones! So please people he is doing this as a personal favor to me so send emails out the waz zoo!!

program@www.scifi.com

Karma



Welcome to the board BrowncoatKarma! Glad to have another fan w/ us, and an enthusiastic one for that matter.

You are a War of Northern Aggression reenactor? I know some people who are reenactors, but have never found the time myself. Very shiny hobby. Where do you call home?

The parallels to the loss of independence and the cause of the South caught my interest w/ Firefly too. I also like the western feel to the show. Always been a big fan of westerns.

Thanks for the email address. I will fire off an email to them and pass the address along to the converts I have made that don't frequent message boards.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:11 AM

ASTRIANA


Quote:

Originally posted by jaysedai:
Not that I want to discourage anyone from writing in. (Please do!) But, I should point out that I've read on numerous occasions that Universal's contract stipulates that the show can't make return to TV for a several years.

Now how many years, and from what date has been is up to debate. It may be possible for it to return to TV as early as 2006 or as late as 2009, depending on who you talk to.

Of course it could be just another baseless internet rumor. So don't listen to me, keep writing. But keep it polite, of course.


Jeremy is right in this. My roommate was at Dreamcon this past and got to interview Jewel Staite (who was one of the guests). Apparently, FOX still owns the TV rights to Firefly, and the contract states something about no one else being able to put another series together for 10 years...

~A~
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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:34 AM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


Quote:

Originally posted by Astriana:

Jeremy is right in this. My roommate was at Dreamcon this past and got to interview Jewel Staite (who was one of the guests). Apparently, FOX still owns the TV rights to Firefly, and the contract states something about no one else being able to put another series together for 10 years...



Of course, that's just a contract. I'm sure if the movie does well and Universal thinks it's a good idea to try another series, they can either go to FOX to try and air it again, or say, 'We'll give you this amount of money to release the contract so we can find a place to air it elsewhere', it might be a win-win situation for both sides (of course, Fox could be spiteful and say 'No, we don't care that we could make money, we're not letting you make one').

Then of course, there are all sorts of potential loopholes in contracts; does it prevent only network series, or is cable excluded? What about a 'miniseries'? Is that a 'TV Series'? What about a single made for TV movie? Is that included? For that matter, what about an airing of 'Serenity, the Movie' on TV after a year or so? And does it include made for DVD series (hell, if Serenity can be the first TV series in my memory to get abruptly cancelled on TV, do amazingly well in DVD sales and then earn a movie, not 5 or 10 years after the series, but a mere 1 or 2, why can't it be another first and be the first DVD only series?)?

Anyway, I don't necessarily believe any of this will come to pass... mostly, it's a pipe dream, really... but contracts aren't ironclad, especially in Hollywood.

Star Pilot Grainger
"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."
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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:52 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by Astriana:
Quote:

Originally posted by jaysedai:
Not that I want to discourage anyone from writing in. (Please do!) But, I should point out that I've read on numerous occasions that Universal's contract stipulates that the show can't make return to TV for a several years.

Now how many years, and from what date has been is up to debate. It may be possible for it to return to TV as early as 2006 or as late as 2009, depending on who you talk to.

Of course it could be just another baseless internet rumor. So don't listen to me, keep writing. But keep it polite, of course.


Jeremy is right in this. My roommate was at Dreamcon this past and got to interview Jewel Staite (who was one of the guests). Apparently, FOX still owns the TV rights to Firefly, and the contract states something about no one else being able to put another series together for 10 years...

~A~
El Jefe Magnifico's Mistress... of Communications and Harems...

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.



Contract, shmontract. When the potential for money & ratings is involved you can rest assured contracts can be bought out or renegotiated. If the potential for a big pay off is there, I imagine Universal (& NBC) will move mountains of legal paperwork to get a new series on the air.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 4:15 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Just received an email response from the Sci Fi addy:

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Some sort of automated response. I am resending my email to the addys that look the most promising.



"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 4:48 AM

LIZ


curiosity about this contract.. everybody's mentioning it in reference to a new series... but aren't we writing to scifi to get old (already produced) episodes on the air? (it would be so much easier to convert people if i could say "checkout the scifi channel tonight at 8" rather than trying to pry my DVDs out of my hands to let someone borrow them.)

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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 4:49 AM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by jaysedai:
Not that I want to discourage anyone from writing in. (Please do!) But, I should point out that I've read on numerous occasions that Universal's contract stipulates that the show can't make return to TV for a several years.

Now how many years, and from what date has been is up to debate. It may be possible for it to return to TV as early as 2006 or as late as 2009, depending on who you talk to.



Do you happen to know if that applies only to new episodes, or re-airing the current episodes? My modest hope is simply to have the existing Firefly episodes air on Sci Fi US just like they aired on Sci Fi UK and On the Space channel in Canada. I imagine with all the browncoats we have, it's still a TINY percentage of the audience Sci Fi can reach, and the vast majority of Sci Fi channel watchers have probably still never heard of Firefly. If we can get them to watch it and buy the DVD and/or see the movie, it makes the possibility of TPTB re-negotiating the contract to bring FF back to the airwaves that much more likely.

* runs off to send a third e-mail from a different account *

"I left my heart in Serenity Valley"

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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 5:00 AM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoatKarma:
The guy I know served with me , his father got him a job with the sci fi network. We just gotta keep on sendin emails and tellin' others , this show is to damn good to be thrown in a damn basement. Its very rare to come across such great television. We can't let the corprate machine win!



Karma, do you know how influential your friend (and/or his father) are at SciFiNetwork? Is he an exec, a mid-level manager/director, or a working grunt? Just wanted to gague the likelihood of this actually making a difference.

"I left my heart in Serenity Valley"

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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 5:36 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


I would be very happy to see a re-airing of all the episodes. With Universal making the movie, it just seems like smart business to me to market the movie by showing the series that inspired the movie. The episodes would get new viewers interested and help to add a good deal of people to the fanbase. Airing the episodes would do as much to promote the movie as an trailer.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:12 AM

PROFESSOR


It would be interesting to actually see the contract that prevents "Firefly" from returning as a TV series.

I wonder if it would prevent a show called "Serenity" from being put on the air?


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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:24 AM

RUTHIE


Any ideas how the USA Sci-Fi channel and the UK one are related?
Because here in the UK, Sci-Fi showed Firefly originally - and a jolly good job they made of it, too, showing each episode in the RIGHT order (starting with Serenity), with a new ep each Monday mid-evening, a late-night repeat, and two or three more repeats through the week, ending with the previous ep immediatly before the new one.
And they showed the eps that were un-aired in the USA.

So Sci-Fi UK knows all about Firefly, and must own some sort of showing right to it. May be worth telling your friend to contact his UK collegues.

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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 10:37 AM

CARDIE


Quote:

Originally posted by Professor:
It would be interesting to actually see the contract that prevents "Firefly" from returning as a TV series.

I wonder if it would prevent a show called "Serenity" from being put on the air?




The more I think about this, the more likely it seems that it's Universal who have insisted on the moratorium on a new Firefly universe television series. (They pay their lawyers plenty, so there's not going to be a loophole that allows for a Firefly universe series under a different name.)

It's been reported repeatedly that Universal is looking for Serenity to be part of a feature film franchise, probably with tie-ins to their theme parks as well. They also had been trying to sign Joss to a feature film deal for quite a while.

Now the last thing Universal wants over the five to ten years they might be making Serenity and its sequels, is for free adventures of the crew to be broadcast, competing for the moviegoing dollar and sending the profits to 20th-Century Fox, no matter where they would be aired.

So I can see NBC-Universal happy to rerun the existing episodes on Sci-Fi if the price is right, and running the Firefly movies there, too, but they obviously only agreed to make the BDM and any possible sequels on the condition that no new television series was allowed to compete with them. That only makes sense from their point of view.

Cardie

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Friday, February 11, 2005 12:22 PM

CITIZENDANCK


hello everyone. This is my first posting and i wanted to share my email i sent to sci fi....

"To whom it may concern,
Please do what you can to push the show onto sci fi.The show deserves a decent chance to thrive on anetwork that actually cares. I dont watch alot oftelevision and I am very picky about what i do watch. I instantly fell in love with this show and cant imagine it desapearing into obscourity because no oneelse wants to touch it. Do what you can to convince whoever you need to that this show is worth the fight.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Dan Egger
(browncoat for life)"

Thanks for the message and some hope in seeing it on the air again.Till i post agin....

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Friday, February 11, 2005 11:39 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Always good to see fireflyfan activism! Nice letter, CitizenDanCK .

The only guarantee we have right now is that if the movie does well there will be more. But it's always good to be reminding other industry players of the loyalty of the fans.







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Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:33 PM

CARNYASADA


Actually, given the way things are done these days, Universal would be unlikely to have a problem with a Firefly TV series, as long as there's something in it for them. Most media conglomerates see nothing wrong with milking an idea to death: movies, TV, novels, video games, fanzines, comic books, Lego sets, Burger King glasses... If Universal doesn't want Joss to do a TV series, it's because they think there's no profit in it, not because they're worried about competition with the BDM. Universal would see a TV series as an ADVERTISEMENT for the BDM.


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Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:12 PM

SOUPCATCHER


The big unknown in the equation is Fox. They apparently hold the rights to any television production of Firefly. How long they hold the rights is ambiguous. I think the highest number (thrown out by one of the BDH's at a convention) was ten years. Of course, everything is negotiable but it's also been reported that Joss shut down the television production portion of his empire.

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Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:41 AM

OLDFAN45


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
The big unknown in the equation is Fox. They apparently hold the rights to any television production of Firefly. How long they hold the rights is ambiguous. I think the highest number (thrown out by one of the BDH's at a convention) was ten years. Of course, everything is negotiable but it's also been reported that Joss shut down the television production portion of his empire.



Everydamnthing is subject to revisitation and revision, even a "no TV" stance by Joss. His vision was of a TV series because of the room it gave him to develop characters and story lines fully and richly, like writers can in novels; movies are more like short stories, quick hits of character/plot/emotion.

Back on SciFi and in syndication sounds like a shiny resolution to me. Can the conglomerates make the numbers work...there's a question...how many milennia was "Earth: Final Conflict" limping along with so-so Nielsens? And why again was Firefly canceled?

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Monday, February 14, 2005 10:50 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by oldfan45:
Back on SciFi and in syndication sounds like a shiny resolution to me. Can the conglomerates make the numbers work...there's a question...how many milennia was "Earth: Final Conflict" limping along with so-so Nielsens? And why again was Firefly canceled?


I ask myself that same question every single time I watch an episode. I'd love to have Firefly back on the small screen. In a perfect world (one where I was a multigazillionaire, bought a television studio, and donated it to Joss) it would've never left. Now, however, my main focus is growing more fans for the movie.

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