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Rifle in "Heart of Gold"

POSTED BY: EVILGNOME
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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 11:05 AM

EVILGNOME


What was the rifle that Mal used in the shoot out at the bordello?


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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 11:09 AM

GUNHAND


Winchester Model 93.

Which are very good rifles in general, I have one of the Trapper models which is a shorter carbine version.



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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 11:46 AM

FIREFLEW


Quote:

Originally posted by Gunhand:
Winchester Model 93.

Which are very good rifles in general, I have one of the Trapper models which is a shorter carbine version.



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Gunhand.... with a gun.... in his hand.....

Is this how the name was made....

Jayne: "Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in command."

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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 11:49 AM

EVILGNOME


Ok, thank you. Now to go and buy one.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 12:32 PM

EVILGNOME


Hey, did they modify this gun at all? If so do you know what they did? Because all of the ones I find online look similar but they have the cocking arm and not that cool metal sliding piece.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 12:56 PM

TIGER


I'm pretty sure the Model 93 is a pump action shotgun, not a rifle.

It looks like Mal is using a Winchester Model 92 or 94 lever action rifle (I think Nandi is using one too) like this one --
www. drake.net/VMR35bxl.jpg

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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:16 PM

MADJACK


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I'm pretty sure the Model 93 is a pump action shotgun, not a rifle.


The Pump shotgun is the Model 97.

I always thought that the rifles in "Heart of Gold" were model 94s, but i have been wrong in the past.

BTW: what kind of tiddlywink round is a .25-20.

Bona na Croin

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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 7:52 PM

TIGER


You're right, the 97 is ALSO a pump shotgun. I think there are at least 3 models of winchester pump shotguns. The Model 94 is also a lever action rifle in .30 WCF.

Truthfully, Mal's gun could have been any Winchester-style lever action rifle.

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Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:17 AM

GUNHAND


Goes to show I should read what I type sometimes, yeah it is a 94, that was the result of fingers not being where they should be and me trying to outtype a storm rolling in...

Doh!

There are a whole slew of Model 94s, the Traditional ones are the old "cowboy" style with a straight grip and the...Legend or Legacy, forget which, which is more modern-ish looking with a curved grip.

94s come in full rifle (that's what Mal and Nandi were using) length and the Trappers which are carbine models, they're about 4 inches shorter than the rifle size. Which means they hold less ammunition because the tube is the same length of the barrel. That's what I have a 94 Trapper because it's easier to handle on horseback.

You can get the Trappers in .30-30, .45 Long Colt, .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum. Not sure about the full rifle size but I know they come in some pistol calibers, and from what I remember of the episode the cartridges they were ejecting looked more like pistol rounds than a full size .30-30 case.

Oh and on the name, partially right. I work on a ranch, ranch workers are hands. Since I do most of the shooting that needs done I'm the Gunhand, which used to be old cowboy slang for gunslinger too. So...that's where it comes from.

If you're really looking to buy one mine cost $400 and change for a Trapper in .357 Magnum, which isn't too bad. And was quite a bit cheaper than my pistol, which is a Ruger Vaquero .357. I bought them at the same time as my new work guns so the shop owner was a grinning guy when I left that day.



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Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:10 AM

STATIC


Quote:

Originally posted by Gunhand:
from what I remember of the episode the cartridges they were ejecting looked more like pistol rounds than a full size .30-30 case.




Good catch, GH! The smaller case is actually due to the fact that they were firing blank ammunition. My beautiful wife, who works in theatre tech, tells me that gun replicas that are built for theatrical use, i.e. cannot fire real ammo. . .cannot even be CONVERTED to fire real ammo, use a somewhat 'universal' round that is smaller. This is for safety (blank rounds can be just as dangerous in confined spaces), and for the consideration of the actors (Nandi would have been knocked on her ass firing a full sized round, and maybe Nathan as well if he didn't have much experience). Also, the people who make blank-firing replicas learned that if you make all your guns fire the same round, then theatre and movie companies will buy ammo in bulk, rather than leave it all to the effects guys.

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Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:21 AM

FREAKYSINS


Not to be nit-picky, but...

The various rounds for which the Model 94, and in fact most lever-action rifles, are chambered are relatively low-recoil. I'm sure Nandi could handle just about any of them, and with Mal there's no question, as he's not exactly a small fellow to begin with.

Now, there are lever-actions chambered for the .444 Marlin and the .45-'70 Winchester, either of which Nandi would probably have some difficulty with... however, these are BIG, distinctive rounds with obviously large casings, and fairly impractical from the standpoint of a pioneer-type planet's firearm needs. After all, I don't imagine they'd NEED that kind of single-round firepower, as a .44 or .357 Mag, or of course a 30-30 or .45 Long Colt will kill you just as dead and the ammo is easier to store and fire accurately.

I'll just leave it at that so's not to bore anyone further.

Peace,

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Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:09 AM

BADGERSHAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Static:
... gun replicas that are built for theatrical use, i.e. cannot fire real ammo. . .cannot even be CONVERTED to fire real ammo, use a somewhat 'universal' round that is smaller. This is for safety (blank rounds can be just as dangerous in confined spaces)



That's extremely true--remember that guy John Eric Hexum, from that old sci-fi show "Voyagers"?? There was a crappy action-type show he did after, and on the set he was firing an Uzi or somesuch with blanks, and as it was firing, he stumbled and the gas discharge from the blanks penetrated his skull, killing him not-quite instantly...

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Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:16 AM

STATIC


I remember that!!!!



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Friday, June 11, 2004 3:25 AM

MADJACK


Theatrical Blanks are typicaly a modified 9mm casing, although some companies make thier blank-firing guns in 8mm with conpatible cartridges

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Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:33 PM

LEMAT


www.marlinfireams.com
www.winchester-guns.com

Sorry, but I think Gunhand is wrong on this one.

If you look at the rifles that Nandi and Mal are holding, you should see the lever connecting to a fitting that protrudes from the bottom of the frame/receiver. The Winchester 94 does not have this, but Marlin lever actions do. Also, when Nandi is viewd from her right, one can see the side ejection port of the rifle, which is feature of Marlin 336, 1895, and 444 rifles (their "1894" rifle is a top eject, like Winchester).

The websites above have pictures of these features. Marlin has a nice picture of a stainless steel model that show what I am talking about, but you have to dig a little deeper into the Winchester site to see a model 94 picture.

Jon...needs a job after graduating from college.

Edited for formating and clarity.

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