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POSTED BY: DARKHOOD
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:51 AM

DARKHOOD


Anyone know the reason why Universal asked Joss to rewrite the Serenity script?

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:52 AM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1


Joss originally wrote it to be a kind of Big Damn Finale for the series... but Universal wanted more of a spring board for a series or for additional movies. so its definately a good re-write

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:53 AM

GUNHAND


As I read it he wanted to tie all the loose ends up in case that was the last Firefly hurrah so to speak, but they told him to open it up so there could be followup projects.

Probably resulting in a movie trilogy, and depending on movie ticket/DVD sales maybe, just maybe a renegotiation with Fox for TV rights. Which my fingers and toes are crossed for very crosswiselike.



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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:54 AM

DARKHOOD


Universal better give him a series or more movies if they made him change the script so it would suit that.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:56 AM

GUNHAND


Quote:

Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Joss originally wrote it to be a kind of Big Damn Finale for the series... but Universal wanted more of a spring board for a series or for additional movies. so its definately a good re-write

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Curses! You typed just a wee bit faster than I did there. *shakes his fist all Scooby Doo villianlike*



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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:58 AM

DARKHOOD


Not sure how I stand with this rewrite. It is all fine if Joss gets more movies or a TV show but what if Universal back out of a sequal of any kind after Serenity? It would mean that they messed up Joss' one chance of wraping everything up.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:27 AM

GUNHAND


Quote:

Originally posted by DarkHood:
Not sure how I stand with this rewrite. It is all fine if Joss gets more movies or a TV show but what if Universal back out of a sequal of any kind after Serenity? It would mean that they messed up Joss' one chance of wraping everything up.

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From what I can gather Universal is very jazzed about Serenity, they even upped the budget by 15 million recently. So that's a good sign they're behind it, as Niska would say "solid".

For all we know the rewrite could have been prompted by signed trilogy contracts, or in exchange for one. No one knows for sure, and them that does aren't talking so much.

Either way the more money Serenity makes the higher the chances are it'll be back in some form. Since Universal considers DVD sales as part of the overall take for a movie, then I'm pretty confident it'll at least meet and quite probably exceed what they figured the profit point for continuing would be.

That's my take/conjecture based on what I've read about the BDM so far.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:28 AM

RKLENSETH


To point out, Universal can't make a TV series for Firefly or Serenity because of legality. Probably becuase 20th Century still owns the TV rights.

That is why I think Universal is pursuing the trilogy deal rather than a Tv series because that is what they can do as of this time.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:31 AM

GUNHAND


Quote:

Originally posted by rklenseth:
To point out, Universal can't make a TV series for Firefly or Serenity because of legality. Probably becuase 20th Century still owns the TV rights.

That is why I think Universal is pursuing the trilogy deal rather than a Tv series because that is what they can do as of this time.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.]




Yep. But if the BDM starts to smell like a franchise to Universal then there's always the possibilty that they'd try to renegotiate with Fox. The movie would have to pull in big numbers but if it made enough then anything's possible. Contracts and rights get bought/sold/renegotiated all the time.



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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:37 AM

STEVE580


So the budget is 50 million now?

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:49 AM

GUNHAND


Quote:

Originally posted by Steve580:
So the budget is 50 million now?



Yep, last I read it was now at $50 million.

Which doesn't seem like a lot when you see these multi-hundred-million budgets that sometimes pop up, but even though money helps a lot with quality it doesn't guarantee it. I can think of a few really horrible flops that cost well over $100 million to make.

Plus look at what Joss did with Serenity (the TV pilot) for what $6 million? Seems like 50 is a nice figure for getting good quality and not needing everyone that wants to see it having to see it 12 times just to break even.

Although I may see it 13 times just to make sure.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:10 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by Steve580:
So the budget is 50 million now?



The $50 million figure comes from Nathan, who was quoted saying it at Fusion in the U.K. last weekend. If it is accurate info, it is a good deal more than the $35 million figure that was originally given by Chris B over at the official board.



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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:11 PM

KARENKAY99


Quote:

Originally posted by Gunhand:
Which doesn't seem like a lot when you see these multi-hundred-million budgets that sometimes pop up, but even though money helps a lot with quality it doesn't guarantee it. I can think of a few really horrible flops that cost well over $100 million to make.



yep. i just saw van helsing. i hear it cost 148 million. they could of saved a few bucks for my part. all cgi, no charactors/story/acting/etc. i was disappointed. even found myself wanting to laugh at the serious moments.
joss and company will do much better with much less, i'm sure of it.

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:25 PM

TRACER


Quote:

Originally posted by karenkay99:
yep.
i just saw van helsing. i hear it cost 148 million. they could of saved a few bucks for my part. all cgi, no charactors/story/acting/etc. i was disappointed. even found myself wanting to laugh at the serious moments.
joss and company will do much better with much less, i'm sure of it.

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."


Van Helsing that bad?

well you've probably saved me about £3.50 then
anything you could recommend,

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:20 AM

KARENKAY99


Quote:

Originally posted by Tracer:
Van Helsing that bad?
well you've probably saved me about £3.50 then
anything you could recommend,



3 of us went. one felt pretty much as i did. the other loved it. she's a big hugh jackman fan.
i read a review in entertainment weekly and it was dead on in my opinion. d+ i think.

i havent seen anything else recently but we are talking about meeting on monday's every other week to see something. the movies are empty on mondays.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:27 AM

GUNHAND


Yeah I've heard that Van Helsing was pretty bad. Well actually I heard it was a stinking pile that wasn't worth the powder to blow it up with.

Of course I'll have to see it, because I love cheesy movies, but I'll wait until it's on HBO or something rather than directly pay for a ticket or anything. No way I'll be included in the ticket revenue for it because then if it makes enough you know there will be Van Helsing II.



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Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:58 AM

CALHOUN


Where you guys get all your info from? I have read nothing about this rewrite.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:50 AM

TRACER


Quote:

3 of us went. one felt pretty much as i did. the other loved it. she's a big hugh jackman fan.
i read a review in entertainment weekly and it was dead on in my opinion. d+ i think.

i havent seen anything else recently but we are talking about meeting on monday's every other week to see something. the movies are empty on mondays.



i think Hugh Jackman is alright..but i've read that the film is worse then "the mummy" i mean the only thing worse than that was "the mummy returns"..troubling times, you'll have to tell me how spiderman2 and the punisher go.i'm hearing troubling rumours

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:00 AM

BADGERSHAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Gunhand:
Yeah I've heard that Van Helsing was pretty bad. Well actually I heard it was a stinking pile that wasn't worth the powder to blow it up with.

Of course I'll have to see it, because I love cheesy movies, but I'll wait until it's on HBO or something rather than directly pay for a ticket or anything. No way I'll be included in the ticket revenue for it because then if it makes enough you know there will be Van Helsing II.



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Van Helsing was okay, if you like LOUD CRASHING NOISE at a fairly constant rate... which I suspect you do, Gunny... also, there's like a grand total of 12 nanoseconds that do NOT have CGI SFX in it... but it's fun enough to watch, if you suspend your need for high quality acting.... plus, Kate Beckinsale in skin tight pants... heh heh...

And, since it was the #1 the box office opening weekend, you can be SURE that the sequel is greenlighted... in fact, they probably started pre-production on it before this one opened...

The rule is, if it makes money, make a sequel. if the sequel bombs, make a triquel to make back the money the sequal lost. If the triquel bombs, make a quarquel direct to the video store to make back the lost triquel money...

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:37 AM

KARENKAY99


Quote:

Originally posted by Gunhand:
Of course I'll have to see it, because I love cheesy movies,



Me too, i love cheese. I even liked the mummy. it didn't take itself too serious. the reviewer in entertainment weekly said he was wishing brendan fraser would show up with a gee whiz grin to help.
van helsing seemed like it was trying to be too serious and it was just sad. i wish it had more cheese then you could feel good about laughing at it. i just felt embarrassed.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:36 PM

ZOID



El Jefé Magnifico, Badger's Hat wrote:
Quote:

Van Helsing was okay, if you like LOUD CRASHING NOISE at a fairly constant rate... which I suspect you do, Gunny... also, there's like a grand total of 12 nanoseconds that do NOT have CGI SFX in it... but it's fun enough to watch, if you suspend your need for high quality acting.... plus, Kate Beckinsale in skin tight pants... heh heh...


Do what I do when there is 'LOUD CRASHING NOISE' and Ms. Beckinsale in tight pants within the same movie...

Put your fingers in your ears and read her lips.

(Hello? Is this thing on?)

And now, like Gunny, I shall away to an underground missile silo located somewhere amidst the rural charm and 2-dimensional grandeur of a Midwestern 'fly-over state' until the radiation returns to a safe level.


Respectfully,

zoid
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:29 PM

GUNHAND


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:

El Jefé Magnifico, Badger's Hat wrote:
Quote:

Van Helsing was okay, if you like LOUD CRASHING NOISE at a fairly constant rate... which I suspect you do, Gunny... also, there's like a grand total of 12 nanoseconds that do NOT have CGI SFX in it... but it's fun enough to watch, if you suspend your need for high quality acting.... plus, Kate Beckinsale in skin tight pants... heh heh...


Do what I do when there is 'LOUD CRASHING NOISE' and Ms. Beckinsale in tight pants within the same movie...

Put your fingers in your ears and read her lips.

(Hello? Is this thing on?)

And now, like Gunny, I shall away to an underground missile silo located somewhere amidst the rural charm and 2-dimensional grandeur of a Midwestern 'fly-over state' until the radiation returns to a safe level.


Respectfully,

zoid
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"Even back when, River had that indefinable 'it', y'know? Inquisitive, insightful -- Very focused... Some things never change."

- 'Wash' Warren, Chief Architect and co-proprietor, "Cretaceous Park", Hera; from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence Wilkins, Richard




Oh man, that is definately a badump-bump moment.

If there were a clapping icon you would have got it there. Hehehe.

I'm all about Kate Bekinsale in the tight pants. I almost got Underworld on pay-per-view for that very thing, but I resisted because I heard that it was just so bad.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:14 PM

ZOID



G'man:

Der Hat sets 'em up, and I spikes 'em home.


Respectfully,

zoid

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