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Farewell, My Space Shuttle

POSTED BY: CLJOHNSTON108
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 15:41
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Thursday, July 7, 2011 1:25 PM

CLJOHNSTON108


I actually got to get up close to Atlantis, back in '98, when she was in for Major Modification at Plant 42 in Palmdale, so I think of her as "my bird".
(Don't tell anybody, but I tapped the port side flaperon hinge with the back of my fingernail when nobody was looking! )



I just can't believe it's all over! 3/5 of my life has been devoted to this thing; you should see all the stuff I've collected!

________________________

"Spry for a dead fella!"

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Thursday, July 7, 2011 2:07 PM

WHOZIT


You can thank Barry Obama for killing the space program, the commies will be way ahead of us in a week.

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Thursday, July 7, 2011 2:54 PM

WISHIMAY


Nope, they're broke, too.

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Thursday, July 7, 2011 4:35 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
You can thank Barry Obama for killing the space program, the commies will be way ahead of us in a week.




FLAT OUT LIE!!


from Wikipedia:
Quote:


The shuttle program is scheduled for mandatory retirement in 2011, in accord with the directives President George W. Bush issued in the Vision for Space Exploration.


In an internal e-mail apparently sent August 18, 2008 to NASA managers and leaked to the press (published September 6, 2008 in the Orlando Sentinel), NASA Administrator Michael Griffin stated his belief that the Bush administration had made no viable plan for U.S. crews to participate in the International Space Station beyond 2011, and that OMB and OSTP were actually seeking its demise.[11][12] The email appeared to suggest that Griffin believed the only reasonable solution was to extend the operation of the shuttle beyond 2010, but noted that Executive Policy (i.e., the White House) is firm that there will be no extension of the shuttle retirement date,



So you can thank whoever was President in 2008. Hint-- his name was Bush.

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Thursday, July 7, 2011 11:56 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb


"Vision for Space Exploration"? Yeah. Right. More like Blindness to Space Exploration.


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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:31 AM

SIMONWHO


This makes me sad. Let's hope China gets interested in space so the race starts up again. Do you really not want to be the first men on Mars?

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Friday, July 8, 2011 3:49 AM

JENJEN

not to fret!


I'm pretty sure the point of having it end in 2011 was so Congress could approve a new budget for a new program...Not to end the program with nothing to replace it. That was Obama's choice.

I live in Florida, very close to the cape, and have seen every shuttle launch since 1990 (most of them from my backyard). This is truly a dark day, and it's incredibly sad for all the brilliant people that have worked on this program that will now be out of work. Their minds are being wasted instead of used for new and innovative technology that we all take for granted.

I am thankful that I was able to experience all that I have while I could, and I hope that soon a new program will be developed so children can have a profession to dream of once more. I'm still going to have students create spacecraft designs in class...maybe one of them will be the key, lol.

~Shiny!

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Friday, July 8, 2011 4:34 AM

CYBERSNARK


This may be an unpopular viewpoint (Primus knows it took me a while to adjust to it), but based on things I've learned from other sites, the end of the shuttle program might end up being a good thing in the long run.

Don't make faces; I want us to get off this rock more than anyone, and I agree that our fate as a species is directy tied to moving into space.

But after over 50 years, NASA hasn't done it. Meanwhile, we're into the age of civillian rocketry. Between SpaceX, the Virgin Orbiters, the Falcon, and the upcoming Falcon Heavy, we're already building spaceships that China complains it can't compete with (in terms of cost and lift-capability). And we're doing it with no help from NASA. Low Earth Orbit is becoming a civillian venture, as opposed to the purview of politics and corporations --the same thing happened years ago with air travel, and with sea travel centuries ago.

All we need is to find something profitable out there to give us a destination, and we'll b able to reach the Moon, then Mars, then just about anywhere.

It's not gonna be easy or cheap, and it's probably gonna be maddeningly slow to get there, but in a hundred years or so, people may call this a triumph.

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Friday, July 8, 2011 4:46 AM

STEGASAURUS


Meh. The Government is just getting ready to go public with the Stargate program. We're going to meet our new alien allies, The Ashen, and they've promised to help us against our secret interglactic struggle against the Goa'uld. The Ashen are super nice too!

For those who are not familiar with Stargate SG-1 and view my comment as a PN type of rant, please see: http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Aschen_Prime or http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s4/416.shtml

Some will get the joke, I'm sure.

-Steg

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Friday, July 8, 2011 7:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Nope, they're broke, too.



Yeah, China is broke...after Communist Party members steal its $250-billion annual trade surplus.
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2011/04/11/economists-react-chinas-
trade-deficit
/


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Friday, July 8, 2011 9:26 AM

ZEEK


My Space owned their own private shuttle? That's crazy!

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:04 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
You can thank Barry Obama for killing the space program, the commies will be way ahead of us in a week.




FLAT OUT LIE!!


from Wikipedia:
Quote:


The shuttle program is scheduled for mandatory retirement in 2011, in accord with the directives President George W. Bush issued in the Vision for Space Exploration.


In an internal e-mail apparently sent August 18, 2008 to NASA managers and leaked to the press (published September 6, 2008 in the Orlando Sentinel), NASA Administrator Michael Griffin stated his belief that the Bush administration had made no viable plan for U.S. crews to participate in the International Space Station beyond 2011, and that OMB and OSTP were actually seeking its demise.[11][12] The email appeared to suggest that Griffin believed the only reasonable solution was to extend the operation of the shuttle beyond 2010, but noted that Executive Policy (i.e., the White House) is firm that there will be no extension of the shuttle retirement date,



So you can thank whoever was President in 2008. Hint-- his name was Bush.

Barry has put 7,000 people out of work at NASA....and he hates puppys.

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:18 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


It is indeed kind of a bummer. I'm sure its even more of a bummer for space enthusiasts and people in FL. as mentioned above. Jones and Jen, I'm sorry.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 6:10 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


www.ScienceChannel.com/LastShuttle

Download yesterday's TV show at www.irfree.com/last-shuttle-our-journey-2011-hdtv-xvid-fqm-2/

Last Shuttle - Our Journey 2011 HDTV XviD-FQM | 350MB
As the Atlantis lifts off for its last flight, the 30-year shuttle program comes to an end, prompting a look back at the successes and challenges it faced and a reflection on the impact the Kennedy Space Center had on the nation’s imagination.



The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:21 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=99763501
www.archive.org/details/LaunchingOurDreamsAShuttleRetrospective

Launching Our Dreams: A Shuttle Retrospective
A tribute to NASA's Space Shuttle Program and its 30 year history.



The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 10:17 AM

FLORALBUNNY


I watched, and had a good sniffle over the whole situation. Didn't have to go downstairs to fire up the TV - - just smacked the alarm clock and hit switches on this little thing on my desk.

I was raised on the sort of sci-fi in which a guy scrapes his last few credits together, picks up a jalopy rocket off a junk pile and takes off for Alpha Whozit for whatever reason makes a good story.

Sound familiar? I really thought that was where we were headed, eventually, and maybe in my lifetime, given the rapid progress we were making in just about every other field of endeavor.

So yesterday morning I tickled the ivories - - well, black plastic - - and used this thing, capacity nearly undreamed of thirty years ago - - to watch in perfect fidelity as the resource-hungry, cumbersome, tetchy, thirty-year-old lump of technology was shoved for the last time out of our gravitational field and into The Black.

Congratulations to all who worked on it, and to all who sail in her, but when? when? when?



bun
connoisseur of archaic phrases

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 10:49 AM

PIRATENEWS

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STS 135

Quote:

Astronauts inspect heat shield of Atlantis

KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. - The Atlantis astronauts inspected the shuttle's heat shield Saturday and fine-tuned the shuttle's approach to the International Space Station, setting their sights on docking at the lab's forward port around 11:07 a.m. EDT Sunday.

Flight Director Kwatsi Alibaruho told reporters that Atlantis, making its 33rd and final flight...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/09/scitech/main20078161.shtml





Freemasonry: “When man reaches new worlds, Masonry will be there.”
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=2573







Quote:

"LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
-Kosher pope of Freemasonry, General Albert Pike, from the bible Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, page 321


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Saturday, July 9, 2011 1:28 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


After talking to my dad about it, who is really angry about the whole thing ending, I saw it on the news and did have a little cry over it. Somehow talking to him made me realize how bad of an idea this really is. Its going to be the Russian/Cino Alliance ruling the verse instead of the US/Cino Alliance. :(

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:51 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
After talking to my dad about it, who is really angry about the whole thing ending, I saw it on the news and did have a little cry over it. Somehow talking to him made me realize how bad of an idea this really is.

There are more bad ideas to get angry about: Republicans intend to cancel the James Webb Space Telescope, the successor to the Hubble. Last week, the Republican controlled House Appropriations Science Subcommittee recommended terminating that NASA Science program. - http://appropriations.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=25
0023


With no Webb Telescope, the 34Tauri cluster of five main sequence stars and dozens of terrestrial planets will not be seen.

The opinions expressed in the following video about the Webb Telescope are unbiased by the Serenity Poster from QMx in the background. - http://store.qmxonline.com/Serenity-Architectural-Cutaway-Set_p_105.ht
ml



Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Its going to be the Russian/Cino Alliance ruling the verse instead of the US/Cino Alliance. :(

The same bill that kills the Webb Space Telescope includes a general provision prohibiting NASA or the Office of Science and Technology Policy from engaging in bilateral activities with China unless authorized by the Republican controlled Congress. You know those quirky Republicans won't be giving their authorization.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:38 AM

OPPYH


???

We will go back into space someday right.............................................................................................................................
......................................right?

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Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:04 AM

ALPS2007


Bush was the biggest Mistake Americans ever made. He is a failure and thats why this country is the most hated in the world and worst off. We have built so much and are letting it all get destroyed at this point. We would rather spend money killing people then saving lives, and improving technology for our future interest.

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Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:57 PM

JENJEN

not to fret!


Quote:

Originally posted by alps2007:
Bush was the biggest Mistake Americans ever made. He is a failure and thats why this country is the most hated in the world and worst off. We have built so much and are letting it all get destroyed at this point. We would rather spend money killing people then saving lives, and improving technology for our future interest.



That's an ignorant statement. I'll leave it at that since I'd rather this thread try to stay on topic. :)

Ending the shuttle program wouldn't be so bad if there was a replacement ready for lift-off, privatized or not. The problem is that all of the ideas for new spacecraft are still blueprints or in early test stages. That leaves a huge gap in time between the end of the NASA shuttle program and whatever comes next; time that's wasted. In the gap, we'll be relying on other countries to take command of space entry. Now, it's nice that planet Earth can still make it to space, but it sucks that it won't be America. After all, we used to be so gung-ho about Space, the Final Frontier. It seems that, in these economic times, allowing the shuttle program to end without a replacement is a viable option. I don't believe that. I believe that if the government really tried, if they really wanted to, they could have found some sort of budget to at least fund development for the next big thing. Or to fly a shuttle a couple more times. Something. Anything to keep space exploration alive. For example, they could have cut funding to the healthy school foods program since most schools can't afford fresh fruit and vegetables every day to be sauteed or stir-fried or whatever. Just give them a sandwich and plenty of exercise instead of tv and internet. But I digress. If the government still wanted Space to be on the agenda, it would be. It's sad how many people will be out of work because of it; intelligent, brilliant people that studied for years to learn something so innovative and daring as to venture into space. It's also sad how few people understand the ramifications of the program ending. The development of new technology will be stifled and innovation of current technology will slow.

Anywho, I'm beginning to ramble and should really get to bed now. I feel very strongly about space exploration and it saddens me immensely to see this day come without anything to replace the program.

~Shiny!

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Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:38 PM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JenJen:
It seems that, in these economic times, allowing the shuttle program to end without a replacement is a viable option. I don't believe that. I believe that if the government really tried, if they really wanted to, they could have found some sort of budget to at least fund development for the next big thing. Or to fly a shuttle a couple more times. Something. Anything to keep space exploration alive. For example, they could have cut funding to the healthy school foods program. . .

Anywho, I'm beginning to ramble and should really get to bed now.

Yes, go to sleep. But when you wake, know that it was 7½ years ago that Bush decided to shutdown the shuttle. The most recent 2½ years of Obama could not possibly undo the mistakes of the previous 5 years of Bush, no matter how much you want it. And "really trying, if they really wanted to" is childish thinking. The Republicans wouldn't allow it.

By the way, shuttle flew 3 times in 2011. Bush wanted it shut down in 2010, so JenJen has already got the wish of extra flights that weren't going to happen if Bush had it all his way. STS-133 in February, scrubbed from 2010 because of a leaky tank, STS-134 in May, STS-135 in July.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 14, 2004 — President Bush proposed on Wednesday to develop a new spacecraft to carry Americans back to the moon as early as 2015, and to establish a long-term base there as an eventual springboard to Mars and beyond. He spelled out the financial details only through December 2008, and said NASA would receive just $1 billion in new money over that time. Bush would also shift $11 billion in federal money from other NASA programs over that same time frame to make way for the program. [That $11 billion shift? It never happened.] Under Bush's plan, the space shuttle fleet would be retired in 2010. - www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3950099/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/bush-se
ts-new-course-moon-beyond
/
http://history.nasa.gov/Bush%20SEP.htm

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, July 11, 2011 11:28 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


NASAtelevision posted today: NASA's Increase of Awesome to Continue




The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
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Monday, July 11, 2011 12:22 PM

CLJOHNSTON108


Possibly the greatest family photo ever!

Father and Son: STS-1 and STS-135


"The picture we waited 30 years to complete."

http://www.flickr.com/photos/arockalypse/5921961525/

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Monday, July 11, 2011 2:09 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Jen, that's all what my dad says and I think he's got some really good points, thus I think you've got some really good points.

Two, its not that I'm actually interested in having a US/Cino Alliance, I only mentioned that because of the television show that we all hold so near and dear and which this site is about. Most of the charactors in it have American accents and speak Mandarin on the side, so I assume that the original Alliance was between the US (or possibly Canada) and China. that's the only reason I said it.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, July 11, 2011 4:19 PM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Two, its not that I'm actually interested in having a US/Cino Alliance, I only mentioned that because of the television show that we all hold so near and dear and which this site is about. Most of the charactors in it have American accents and speak Mandarin on the side, so I assume that the original Alliance was between the US (or possibly Canada) and China. that's the only reason I said it.

RionaEire, you're making peace too quickly. It was never about Firefly and the Chinese. It's about fatcat Hal Rogers, Chairman of the Appropriations Committee, being in charge of the money for NASA. http://halrogers.house.gov/

The Republican Hal Rogers would forbid NASA from talking to any Commies, anywhere, anytime. It's too late for Rogers to forbid talking to Russians because NASA astronauts are already riding into orbit on the Soyuz, but it is not too late for him to forbid NASA talking with the Chinese Commies. And that is why the small-minded Republican has a general provision prohibiting NASA or the Office of Science and Technology Policy from engaging in bilateral activities with China unless authorized by Hal Rogers. http://appropriations.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=25
0023


It is wrong that Rogers, who brags about being a hillbilly born in rural Kentucky and representing the poorest Congressional District in the nation, is applying his quirky prejudices to NASA. He hates all foreigners, but he really hates Chinese Commies. Now that he is a powerful man, he's going to do something about it. Look out NASA, because here comes Hal Rogers to kick your ass and cut your budget.

Hal Rogers is on the list of the Most Corrupt Members of Congress. - http://richmondregister.com/localnews/x155232819/McConnell-Rogers-on-M
ost-Corrupt-list
He tells voters that he is proud to be on the list because it means he is doing his job right. He even had the Daniel Boone Parkway renamed after himself. That is man with a ton of self-regard for his own importance and accomplishments.

Bloviating blowhard Hal Rogers oversees NASA's budget.



The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, July 11, 2011 7:45 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Two, I guess I didn't make myself understood. I'm not in any hurry to cozy up with China in space, I only mentioned China because of Firefly.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:10 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Two, I guess I didn't make myself understood. I'm not in any hurry to cozy up with China in space, I only mentioned China because of Firefly.

Why be cozy with China? They don't have much to offer the US Space Program now, unlike the Russians who have plenty. But in 25 years the situation will change and the Chinese space program could be radically better.

Republican Hal Rogers is not waiting 25 years. He wants the law set in concrete that NASA shall never cooperate with the Chinese like it did with the Russians for the ISS. (AFAIK, Republicans instinctively hate all Communists. Hal Rogers is displaying that same peculiar anti-commie twitch. He should have a doctor look at it.)

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:01 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I don't mind cooperating in space, as long as we have our own stuff too.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:26 PM

PIRATENEWS

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NASA live feed STS135
http://somafm.com/missioncontrol

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Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:51 AM

JAMERON4EVA


This is an effect of the cracks in time. I'm just gonna get into my firefly, find my TARDIS which is neatly placed in there, timewarp back to the pandorica incident, and change the future. ALLONS-YYY


In all seriousness, we reall got a LOT of extra flights from this program, which was originally supposed to run only 15 years. The STS program was concieved and created in the 1960's, and took two DECADES to come to pruision when the first shuttle was launched. By all intents and purposes, it should have died back in early to mid- 1990's. Were lucky we got THIS much use out of it.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy

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Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:26 PM

OPPYH




Amazing. What a speech.

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Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:14 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by cljohnston108:
Possibly the greatest family photo ever!

Father and Son: STS-1 and STS-135


"The picture we waited 30 years to complete."

http://www.flickr.com/photos/arockalypse/5921961525/



Time to change that shirt.

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Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:41 PM

CLJOHNSTON108


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Time to change that shirt.


Yah, must be pretty crispy by now!

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