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United 93

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:17 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


I finally got to see this movie over the weekend (rented it from Netflix) and all I can say is Wow!

I knew it was good but I was not expecting that. I was so stunned and inspired, that I watched the special features afterward. I really admire the director for the way in which he shot this film. It really paid homage to the fallen heroes.

I know it's been out quite a while, but I finally got around to watching and thought to share with you guys.
If you haven't seen it for whatever reason, please give a look.


SGG

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:08 PM

BIGRICHARD


I've gotta second this, the movie is outstanding. Was completely speechless at the end of it.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:48 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


You know, it's funny, even though I knew how it ends I still found myself rooting for these guys to pull through. (as an aside "rooting" in America means "cheering" or "in favor" of our heroes. I know that down under it has a different meaning).

Thanks for your post Big R


SGG

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Monday, May 3, 2010 2:41 PM

BIGRICHARD


I definitely know what you mean!
And yeah, 'rooting' here can mean both though, don't you worry!

I rememeber my sister, everytime she watches Titanic, wishes the whole time through that for some reason, they'll miss the iceberg this time and everyone'll have a happy ending.

I think the thing I was most impressed by, since the director has done a lot before, was the actors. All unknowns, yet they were all terrific and completely made the story believable.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 8:23 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


That MOVIE is written for morons by traitors. Congrats.

For the real story, see PirateNews on History Channel and PopMech. Mature adults only.


Roger that Lt Col Rick "Top Gun" Gibney


www.piratenews.org/flight93.html

PS: Santa is a fake.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 8:27 PM

BIGRICHARD


Hey PN, not saying you're wrong, but just a word of advice....

calling people morons? Not the greatest way to get them on your side, even if you're right.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 9:09 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by BigRichard:

Hey PN, not saying you're wrong, but just a word of advice....

calling people morons? Not the greatest way to get them on your side, even if you're right.



Ridicule is a powerful Weapon of Mass Instruction. Universities charge $100,000 for their Socratic Method.

I doubt anyone who fell for the fiction of U93 is mentally capable of comprehending the horror of RW polyticks (many bloodsucking creatures). It's a psychological block that would require a straight jacket and massive dose of meds to decontrol, perhaps electroshock. It's dissociation, like when a lion is eating a deer alive, and the deer goes off into fantasy land. Not a damn thing you can do for the deer.

Or professional jewoganda.


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Monday, May 3, 2010 11:15 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yeah, I noticed a couple of character actors in there, and yes they did a great job (along with the director). The documentary style in which it was shot was a clever move on the part of the director.


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Monday, May 3, 2010 11:18 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey PN,

Quote:

Hey PN, not saying you're wrong, but just a word of advice....

calling people morons? Not the greatest way to get them on your side, even if you're right.



Yeah, it tends to put some folk off.


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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 8:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Many people are called heroes, while doing their jobs. As Marines, we were called heroes at times, whether doing heroic deeds or not. Police, firefighters, EMTs, doctors, may be doing heroic deeds, but they have a union negotiating how those heroic deeds are dispensed. Astronauts, doing a risky job they've spent their lives volunteering for?

That french guy who jumped into New York waters to save the baby girl? While on vacation? Yes, heroic, and not paid to do it.

Flight 93 has regular everyday guys, flyers, businessmen. No trained counter-terrorist experts, special forces, emergency negotiators. The flight attendant was already murdered in front of them, to detail that the hijackers were serious. Pilots are dead.
They learn of what their fate most likely is, yet the human tendancy is to hope for what might become, hold out hope that their worse fears would not come to fruition, they would land safely eventually.
If they attempt to take over control of the craft, even if they are successful, they absolutely know that not all of them will survive, in fact most will perish in the attempt to rush the cockpit. To do so means they must forfeit the possibility of ever landing alive - even if the remaining passengers do. They don't have weapons, merely greater numbers, and no training like their opposition.
To forfeit your life for the POSSIBILITY that you might save hundreds or thousands of others you have never known or met, that was their choice.
To me, they speak Heroes volumes louder than any other contemporary example. Every single one of them should have a school building named after them, at the minimum. Unexpected heroism, and unselfishness in the face of doom, demonstrating the sort of American character and resolve which should make all Americans proud.

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Thursday, May 6, 2010 2:39 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!






Everyone was dead on Flight 93 long before it was shot down. There were no hijackers on board, it was hijacked by remote control, with many CIA DIA passengers not on board with fake funerals, as confessed by CIA and Pentagon in Operation Northwoods, declassified in 2000.

Flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders from UA93 are still classified TOP SECRET, and FAA destroyed all audiotapes of ATC controllers being debriefed on 9/11, since they were "coincidentally" running "drills" of dozens of airliners being hijacked and crashing into WTC and Pentagon, while half of the "suicide hijackers" are alive and flying for Saudi Airlines and Saudi Air Force and giving interviews to BBC News...

All passengers and crew on UA93 were asphyxiated then frozen solid by remote-control sabotage of the pressurization system, then shot down by North Dakota Air National Guard F16 Top Gun Lt Col Rick Gibney, just like Greek Helios Flight 522 Boeing 737 (except all Helios Airline executive were immediately arrested):


All pilots and passengers froze to death on Helios Flight 522, shot down or out of gas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522
http://www.airlinesafety.com/letters/Helios737Crash.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8749514874120381208



The official tombstone for UA93 is a GIANT BOXCUTTER IN A GARBAGE DUMP. Which is better than WTC 911 victims used to fill potholes at Fresh Kills Landfill.



UA93 was scheduled to hit WTC7. When it was shot down by Col Gibney, who refused 9/11 mastermind Dick Cheney's illegal order to stand down, WTC7 had to be destroyed anyway by explosive demolition, as confessed on PBS TV by its jewish leaseholder Larry Silverstein.

Quote:

"It was at this point that President Bush is said to have issued his shoot order. F-16s from Langley flew protective patterns over Washington. United Flight 93 crashed outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 10.03am. The rumours that this plane was shot down are based on the fact that debris was found up to eight miles from the crash site, that one of the passengers talking on a mobile phone reported hearing an explosion and seeing a plume of white smoke in the cabin, and that eyewitnesses saw a second aircraft in the sky at the time of the crash."
—London Independent, 20 September, 2001
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=95051



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http://www.amazon.com/Barbarians-inside-gates-vipers-venom/dp/09664374
2X

http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/ToolBarTopics/Articles/Featured
_Authors/grand_pre-col_donn_de/GrandPre_Index.html


AUDIO: www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrandpre.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7812726988686891534&hl=en#

Alex Jones: We are talking to Col. Donn de Grand-Pre and he worked in many of the levels of the U.S. military and has put out some really important information. Two years ago, he put out a report in a meeting in a 72-hour deliberation, a group of military and civilian U.S. pilots under the chairmanship of Col. Donn de Grand-Pre. After deliberating non-stop for 72-hours has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners involved in the September 11th tragedy had no control over the aircraft. And they get into how the military industrial complex clearly, that is elements of it, were in control of this. Colonel, we are going to go to some calls here in a minutes after you cover some other issues with us. But, understand this, my question of what percentage of the officers, period, in the military do you think have finally woken up to the true magnitude of what's going on?

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: Well, I'm in personal contact at least on a weekly basis with the Joint Chiefs and other select people. My computation is that 70% of us are with us. That's the higher ranking military, field grade officers, etc. and even the first three grades of the enlisted ' 70% are with us....

John Lee (executive producer of PirateNews.org CATV and webmaster of September 911 Surprise): "Colonel, did a cruise missile hit the Pentagon, or a Global Hawk, or a drone business jet?"

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: "You are talking about what hit the Pentagon, right John? It was a cruise missile. It could have been a Global Hawk. It was not a commercial aircraft."

Alex Jones: "That's what the eye-witnesses said and the evidence shows. And do people realize that this was staged at the Pentagon? I mean obviously it's in an area that's under renovation and then all this happens. Do people at the Pentagon? are they still buying the official story, Colonel?"


Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: "Well, I can't speak for the rest of them but I'm certainly not buying that. And I think I've got the full story in book 3. And that's it. It was a diversionary hit for strategic reasons and it didn't matter whether it was a pilotless drone or a Global Hawk missile. It wasn't a commercial aircraft."


Alex Jones: "It's the most surveilled area in the world but no video of it. Witnesses said they saw a small aircraft."


Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: "No, they did not. We have [garbled] a video that purports to show a firing of a launch probably from a Global Hawk or an unmanned aircraft missile but it certainly wasn't a commercial aircraft."


John Lee "And was United Airlines Flight 93 shot down in Pennsylvania by a U.S. or NATO pilot, and was that what was supposed to hit the Pentagon [instead of American Airlines Flight 77]?"

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: No, that was hit at 10:00 hours. It was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93.

John Lee Was it shot down because the airline pilots actually regained control of the hijacked auto-pilot, or was that to replace the unmanned drone that was shot down?

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: No, it was the aircraft, you see, had totally unconscious people on board. There were no hijackers. At 9:35, the Happy Hooligans, the Air Guard flying the F-16s were ordered to take that plane out. And they took it out from 9:35 to 10:00.

John Lee: Were there any refueling jets involved in that operation?

Alex Jones: Hold on a second, John. The question is why would they deviate from the plan of flying it into the Capitol? Why did the globalists decide to go ahead and shoot the plane down?

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: There had been an adjustment to the controls, probably by an AWACs aircraft flying overhead, again, remote control. And it was on a course for either the Capitol or the White House. And at this stage, you don't know. The Happy Hooligans came in and took care of it.

Alex Jones: Do you think they were not following orders?

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: Who, the Happy Hooligans?

Alex Jones: Well, yeah, you've got Cheney running around, we've got the stand down taking place.

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: Well, this is correct, but you see the Adj. General of the State of North Dakota gave the command to take it out. And, by God, they took it out. And I've got the full story in the book.

Alex Jones: That's a good thing they did that. You said you talked to the pilot. Think about this folks. Imagine what Bush would have gotten if he would have had that plane fly into the Capitol? Imagine the police state we would be in right now.

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: Yes, yes, yes, indeed.

Alex Jones: And so you had to have the diversionary blast at the Pentagon so no one would get suspicious and think it was a military coup.

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: Perhaps, perhaps.

Alex Jones: Colonel, how did you get in touch with the pilot who shot the plane down?

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: It turned out to be an old friend of mine from the Air National Guard and this is my home state of North Dakota. And I attended the ceremony in North Dakota and watched the Adj. General [garbled] the pilot being decorated a year later for this activity that happened on 911 with Flight 93.

Alex Jones: Colonel, before we take these four final calls, go over that a little bit slower for folks. That's a big deal. You talked to the pilot, a friend of yours, who shot down Flight 93 that was going for the Capitol or the White House. And go over that for folks.

Colonel Donn de Grand Pre: Okay, quick rundown. They were out of Hector Field, Fargo, North Dakota. A bunch, this 119 Fighter Group and they are called the Happy Hooligans. They are probably the best interceptors that we have in the country. They were moved to Langley Air Force Base from Hector Field down to Southern Virginia. And when the klaxon horn went off at 9:35, those two pilots put down their coffee and shot into their aircraft and took off. They didn't know where they were going initially but by 10:00 hours, they had rendezvoused over Southern Pennsylvania. That's about 250 miles in just a matter of minutes and engaged 93 with two side-winder missiles. And they accomplished their objective. Now Hector Field, I use to fly out of Hector Field some time ago. I know most of those pilots. I could name names. I know the National Guard Adj. General. And they were decorated about a year later and I have the full write up of that story in my book.

Alex Jones: Yeah and it's just ignored by the media. I have that article, too. And later, well okay, it was a missile, well there wasn't "Let's Roll." It's all made-up theatre for the public and we buy it like a bunch of saps.



Quote:

"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation NORTHWOODS, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban »migr»s, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: 'We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba,' and, 'casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.' The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Another idea was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base - an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason."
—ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

"On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. America's Mayor' Rudy Giuliani will lead the day with his presentation 'Leadership in Difficult Times. John Fulton's 25 years in the intelligence community has contributed to his recognition as an expert in risk & threat response analysis, scenario gaming, and strategic planning. He is on staff for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), currently serving as Chief of the Strategic War Gaming Division of the National Reconnaissance Office, and as a member of U.S. Joint Forces Command's Project Alpha - a prestigious 'think tank' for advanced concepts related to such issues as homeland security. He formerly served as the mission director for our nation's satellite imagery program as well as replacing Army Astronaut Same Gemar as the Director of the National Security Space Master Plan for the U.S. Department of Defense and Intelligence Space Communities under the auspices of the Deputy UnderSecretary of Defense (Space). His counter-terrorism and homeland security responsibilities include advising the Director Central Intelligence Staff for Homeland Security, the U.S. Marshall's Office, and collaboration with the National Security Council. In the private sector Fulton has developed a number of patents related to positioning, "smart GPS " applications, communications, and audio/video technology. He oversees the development of public & personal safety applications of these capabilities through SafeSTAR projects, and contributes to the strategic planning and conceptual design of the SafeSTAR Homeland Security Command Center."
—National Law Enforcement and Security Institute, and Associated Press: "Agency planned drill for plane crash last September 11", August 22, 2002
http://www.nlsi.net/hs-alc-info.htm
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
—Larry Silverstein (billionaire Australian Jewish renter of World Trade Center), PBS TV, "America Rebuilds", and reported by Alex Jones on Infowars.com radio and PrisonPlanet.com, "PBS Documentary: Silverstein, FDNY Confess WTC 7 Razed with Controlled Demolitions on 9-11-2001," January 19, 2004
http://infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm

Quote:

OPERATION NORTHWOODS

TOP SECRET SPECIAL HANDLING NOFORN
(declassified 2000)

The Joint Chiefs of Staff
Washington DC

Memorandum for the Secretary of Defense

Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)

JCS to Secretary of War Robert McNamara
March 13, 1962

For the Joint Chiefs of Staff
signed: Lyman Limnitzer
Jewish Chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff

A series of well-coordinated incidents will be planned to take place to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States.

The arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement.

Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact.

Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged.

It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States.

An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

It is possible to create an incident that will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.

On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly Tail-end Charlie. While near the Cuban island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. This pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who performed the mission under an alias would resume his proper identity. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.

A submarine or small craft would distribute F-101 parts, parachute, etc. The pilots retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf


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Thursday, May 6, 2010 5:14 AM

STORYMARK


I liked it, it's a solid, tense, extremely well-made film.

And if it pisses PirateDouche off..... it's even BETTER!!

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, May 6, 2010 9:18 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Well said, JewelStaite, well said.


SGG

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Friday, May 7, 2010 6:34 AM

BIGRICHARD


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
And if it pisses PirateDouche off..... it's even BETTER!!




Heheheheheh. Don't want to AGREE. Will probably start a war or something. But glad folks are liking the film. Even if you believe PN and think it's complete fiction, it's STILL a brilliant film.

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