Serenity Casting (Major Spoilers) No Book! by outlander

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Serenity Casting (Major Spoilers) No Book!

POSTED BY: OUTLANDER
UPDATED: Thursday, March 25, 2004 18:35
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Monday, March 22, 2004 11:43 AM

Well the thing is that Book might not be around as a plot device. This is supposed to take place six months after Objects in Space right? So things would have changed somewhat. Maybe Book got off to go do something secretive and possibly evil that fits with his characters mysterious nature and that will be alluded to in the film. Thats just what I think though and yeas I am most certainly taking this with a grain of salt.

Dont ask me silly questions.
I wont play silly games.
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Monday, March 22, 2004 2:38 PM

SHEMNON

While we have given series wide hints about the nature of River and her series plot arc not a whole lot has been given about Book. Two noteable instances are (a) when he gos to the Alliance ship, shows his ID card, and gets treatment and gets Serenity off easy and (b) when that bounty hunter says "he ain't no preacher." I think Book's possibillities are as rich as River's are and that we really haven't been given much to go on it yet, but the needed clues are there so when Book does jump on the shark we don't feel cheated. Espeically when you consider the Book and River threads as possibly divergant. (the whole bounty hunter scene could be considered bad professional courosy for not revealing past identities, perhaps Book is a retired bounty hunter, or one on real deep cover, perhaps a double/triple agent driven more by values than allegance).

Now given that set up whether or not Ron signs on or not doesn't matter since either way they can plant a clue or two, while the movie is more about uncovering the "why" of River. Lines like "yea, but that's too close to the monastary Book went to" or "but going to Moon Y would put ont he other side of the fringe, that will make getting Book's fare in a month difficult." i.e. keep him on the perifiery of fans mind, but the movie isn't about his main story.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:04 AM

DRACOS

Exactly.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:31 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Quote:
Originally posted by lurkinghorror:
I've noticed a lot of feedback on "Bank Heist: Not The Kind Of Thing Our Gang Would Do." I submit the old Robin Hood/Outlaw bit of robbing the bank that has foreclosed on all the poor people's farms. When Pretty Boy Floyd, or even Jesse James robbed those kind of banks, they were usually seen as heros in the eyes of the people screwed by the evil bank. Seems to me to be EXACTLY the kind of thing Our Heros would do.

MacBuddha aka LurkingHorror, etc.

Interesting point LH.

I had thought of this as well, while mulling over the whole bank heist thing over the weekend it occured to me that it could be a play on the old Robin Hood theme.

The crew lands on a planet where the common people are being oppressed by a rich land baron. The land baron taxes the people into poverty, but keeps the money in a bank on the planet that has some high tech security. The crew decide to pull a heist, getting back the money for the farmers and taking a small sum for their trouble.

It could work.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:31 PM

COLONELMASON

[THE OPERATIVE] A Government agent, The Operative is thoughtful, a little
removed, with wire-rimmed glasses and neatly trimmed hair, wearing a suit too
nondescript to be a uniform and too neat to be casual wear. An expert martial artist,
assassin, investigator and tracker, who moves with the fluid grace of a killer and
speaks with the eloquent sophistication of a very intelligent man. Cool in his strategic
planning but a bit feral when provoked, The Operative is on a headlong collision
course with a rogue ship full of renegades and thieves...LEAD

Any chance that this guy IS Book?

Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry and I'm armed

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:07 PM

BLINKER

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This is incomplete and unprofessional. mingo and fanty?

Might be more there than it seems. A little digging turned up a '50s film noir called "The Big Combo," which was renowned for its exceptional brutality, sleaze, overt sexuality, and, um... stylized lighting. Among its supporting characters were another matched pair of gangsters...

http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s112combo.html

Genre critics who like to point out gay elements hiding in these films also pounced on the sexuality of hit men Fante and Mingo. Here, for once, their observations are entirely credible. Fante and Mingo have the only healthy relationship on view in The Big Combo. They're inseparable, they sleep in the same room, are considerate and thoughtful toward one another, and faithful unto death. As characters they remain perimeter sketches, entering the action as functionaries whenever Brown needs another killing done.

http://www.sover.net/~ozus/bigcombo.htm

Lewis has created a nasty film noir, where all the characters are sullied by their peculiar sexual habits. The sadistic hitmen Fante and Mingo, give all indications that they are in a fatalistic homosexual relationship that is heightened by their need for violence as a stimulant.

Assorted reviews:

http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Movies/Titles/B/Big_Combo,_The/?i
l=1

Well, Joss is a big fan of noir, isn't he?

And stylized lighting?

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:13 AM

MORROW

Great discussion you have going here. Thought I should add my two cents:

Yes, it would be sad if Book weren't to appear in the movie. But I think Books story is such a complicated one it probably wouldn't work in a movie about River's own complicated story. I mean, Book isn't an ordinary preacher, (as has been hinted at several times during the series), and because of that there would be 2 different choices on how to portray him in the film.

Either a) include an entire other storyline about Book and his elusive background, which as I said before, would make for a very complicated movie.

Or b) have a completely regular, un-mysterious Book character. But if the series were picked up again, and we returned to the "What's he hiding from everyone" scenario, that would be messing with the minds of new fans brought in by the movie.

Or maybe I'm just rambling.

But on another point, don't get too picky with the language of a casting sheet. The descriptions are written by the casting director, not Joss. And casting directors are amazingly talented little peeps who can take what Joss requires in a character and dumbing it down into the simplest possible terms for casting agents. So, things like "lower class British" are just broad terms. It means, no posh aristocratic accents and no Watcher-wannabes basically. A casting director doesn't want to be too nit-picky with descriptions otherwise they only get a handful of actors to choose from. But they don't want 800 guys turning up for the part who's idea of a British accent is "Pip pip cheerio" either.

And on that note, also try and remember that what's on the casting sheet doesn't always reflect what ends up on film. Sometimes once you've selected an actor, the director works with them and creates something very different than what was originally planned because you can only really see the character when you can see what the actor does with it.

Do I make any sense? Probably not. But I thought I'd try. Keep up all the speculation though!

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:19 AM

SOULOFSERENITY

The Man They Call Soul...

Well, given Chris Buchanan's latest post, the script was written with all actors returning, with only little contract details left to iron out.

But if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

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Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:35 PM

SANDMAN

If Ron Glass can't return because of some other issues but he can be in a (hopefully) revived series then I can live with that. I LOVE Book but if he can't be in the film then that's that.

Personally, I want him back because he has a shadey history just like other members of the crew. If the show is revived and they don't cover any of this in the movie then thy've got half a season covering everyone's dirty little secrets.

Book's background and clout with the Alliance. One episode or more here.

Inara and her reasons for sailing with a freighter instead of the Love Boat set. At least one episode, perhaps more.

Jayne hasn't shown much in the way of history but a show could be devoted to it. Same goes for Kaylee and Wash.

Serenity herself. LOTS of opportunity to show her history and where she's been. Minimum one show, perhaps more.

All these questions and more are left hanging by the cancellation and the DVD is just making people anxious to have them answered.

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