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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:32 AM

KRELLEK


Question regarding the Tams(Gabriel and Regan) Did they know what was happening to there little girl, at this government run academy? was they happy about it, or was they affraid to fight for there daughters life? or was they just a familly that saw there children for the prestige, that atleast Simon would probably had given the Tam name, as a young medical elect(what ever that is)and was completely unaware of it


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:23 AM

IMNOTHERE


I think this one has been discussed here before.

My 0.5c worth: I don't think they did know (although they might have been in denial). Mr Tam comes over as a highly law abiding type obsessed about his reputation - when he bails out Simon he's mostly worried about the stigma of having to visit a police station... He's not going to run around making wild accusations about government conspiracies to kidnap and torture kids.

...and we also see from the show that River is prone to making up stories. Simon (who is clearly closer to River than her parents) would be better placed to intuit when she is telling the truth.

So why didn't they suspect after River was gone for several years with no vacations?

Well, remember the verse is big. Its not like good ol' Earth that Was where anywhere with a major airport is within 24 hours travel.

I don't think we're told where the Academy is but it seems common sense that the Alliance would locate their black ops bases a long way from anywhere - so it could easily be a fortnight's travel away. Letters can be censored and video mail faked.

Its more like Earth before affordable air travel: if a middle class US family shipped their sprog off to school in England, they wouldn't be popping back for Easter break.

Anyway, River's a nerd, so nobody is going to be too surprised if she purportedly opts for the summer school in relativistic quantum chromodynamics rather than popping home for the hols.

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:14 AM

BYTEMITE


According to a scene in the shooting script that didn't make it to the episode Safe, they knew and were scared shitless. That, plus Gabriel Tam's "it's our LIVES" speech makes me think there may have been some coercion involved on the side of the Alliance/Blue Sun.

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:04 PM

ANOTHERSKY


I'm with Byte on this one. Although, I am not sure at what point they knew, or even if they knew what was happening to their daughter at all, other than her having been co-opted somehow by the Alliance mucky mucks. At this point I think they were either threatened after making tentative inquiries, or were given some kind of a bribe or cheery notice--and put two and two together.

Coincidentally, I started almost this exact thread elsewhere nearly a year ago. If I can find it I'll post and you may find the discussion interesting and/or helpful.

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:24 PM

KRELLEK


1 did not know it was posted before, mostly been reading the stories, in the beginning and be happy with that, but now i also look at the threads that i have found, and startet a few myself, and happen to pretty much restart one was not my goal,

I would really be happy if you direct me to that shooting script of Safe that indicated they knew something. and if you know of scripts to the other eps where there are indications, i would be happy for them too :Smile :biggrin

and would bee happy for a link for the old thread too :-)

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:28 PM

KRELLEK


strange they did not try to contact simon after Simon had gotten himself and river out, they had gotten away, perhaps under cover taking a second/third re-honeymoon, or perhaps considerations of starting something new on the rim worlds. some sort of buisness of somekind(transport company or something else)

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:29 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Dear Mr. and Mrs. ;

The impressive grades your child has earned in school has attracted the attention of the Cryptoneurological, Public Relations, and Research and Development divisions of the Osirius Branch of Blue Sun, Inc.

At Blue Sun, we care about our future. Your child has been selected to receive a prestigious scholarship to one of our special Academies, where we unlock the true potential of gifted children and teenagers.

At the Academy, we offer such amenities as a personal 4 foot by 8 foot room that locks from outside complete with bed and toilet, an indefinite duration meal plan, strict discipline measures, and unsurpassed education and training in technical skill. Your child will go farther than she has ever dreamed, but as you can see, space is quite limited, so please fill out the surgical release forms attached and wave your positive response to the given cortex address as soon as possible.

This is a full scholarship, so no tuition payments are necessary, however, Blue Sun has accessed your banking accounts in the event of any financial difficulties. Blue Sun strongly and firmly encourages you to accept this great opportunity for your child. Regardless, Blue Sun agents will arrive to take your child safely into our custody for enrollment in 60 days time after you have received this letter, and will easily find you should you happen to be off-world at the time.

We recommend that you do not try to contact your child once they begin at the Academy, they will be very busy.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Dr. Mathias
Director of Special Programs, Cryptonuerological Research and Development Division.

Enclosed

Attachments


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:33 PM

BYTEMITE


Well, in the visual companion, I believe Tim Minear says that the point of the episode is that ultimately, where it counts, the Tams are ineffectual as parents. Mal, being more of an actor sort, much like Simon was an actor sort freeing his sister, is shown as a better parent figure, and cements the nature of Serenity's crew as family.

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:41 PM

KRELLEK


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Quote:

Dear Mr. and Mrs. ;

The impressive grades your child has earned in school has attracted the attention of the Cryptoneurological, Public Relations, and Research and Development divisions of the Osirius Branch of Blue Sun, Inc.

At Blue Sun, we care about our future. Your child has been selected to receive a prestigious scholarship to one of our special Academies, where we unlock the true potential of gifted children and teenagers.

At the Academy, we offer such amenities as a personal 4 foot by 8 foot room that locks from outside complete with bed and toilet, an indefinite duration meal plan, strict discipline measures, and unsurpassed education and training in technical skill. Your child will go farther than she has ever dreamed, but as you can see, space is quite limited, so please fill out the surgical release forms attached and wave your positive response to the given cortex address as soon as possible.

This is a full scholarship, so no tuition payments are necessary, however, Blue Sun has accessed your banking accounts in the event of any financial difficulties. Blue Sun strongly and firmly encourages you to accept this great opportunity for your child. Regardless, Blue Sun agents will arrive to take your child safely into our custody for enrollment in 60 days time after you have received this letter.

We recommend that you do not try to contact your child once they begin at the Academy, they will be very busy.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Dr. Mathias
Director of Special Programs, Cryptonuerological Research and Development Division.

Enclosed

Attachments





OOOKKKAAAYYYY!!!, that was something else, at first, seemingly okay, yet with some rather interesting wishes, like surgical release forms(what shall a school with them? I ask:-) (but as you can see, space is quite limited, so please fill out the surgical release forms attached)so the thing with not much space, does describe her pretty little head, that it needs surgery for removing non vital parts, like perhaps the amygdala, and then at first it seemeed voluntary, complete with wishes that they choose it, but then end up with the regardless, we come and pick her up if we do not hear from you.

that certainly suggest something is way wrong

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:50 PM

BYTEMITE


You'll also notice that the "room" they describe is basically a cell. Which makes the "space is limited" a seriously dark joke.

EDIT: Just wanna clarify, it seems like maybe I wasn't obvious. That's not an official letter, just something I typed up as a possibility.

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:04 PM

KRELLEK


yeas I see a dark joke indeed:-)

but also in the way that the surgical releaseforms-thingy is mentioned along with you see there is not much room, here i think Matthian means that River´s parents knows the size of her head, and it is not that big, rather small a cute,(which I think, means he thinks that there should be made more room, by removing non essential parts like the Amygdala,

there is certainly not really room for a table to make homework at, either, which also seems rather strange

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:05 PM

KRELLEK


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
You'll also notice that the "room" they describe is basically a cell. Which makes the "space is limited" a seriously dark joke.

EDIT: Just wanna clarify, it seems like maybe I wasn't obvious. That's not an official letter, just something I typed up as a possibility.



oh that i had actually not gotten myself LOL

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:17 PM

KRELLEK


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
You'll also notice that the "room" they describe is basically a cell. Which makes the "space is limited" a seriously dark joke.

EDIT: Just wanna clarify, it seems like maybe I wasn't obvious. That's not an official letter, just something I typed up as a possibility.



By the way I would like to aks a question? maybe you seen my question somewhere else :-)

Is looking for a fanfic, but the only thing i remember is this a to me, funny scene(with River)

Serenity has been boarded by criminals/pirates, don´t know if they are planetbound or in the black during this boarding, at some point the serenity crew has them beat, and at this point River is for some reason, probably to scare the one of the survivers, is standing over him, and in a coldish/snobish accent(written to be of Osirian)as a gone bad highsociety debutante, asking Mal (i think), of what to do with this survivor, and it is described as if they cannot get an answer over there lips for a little while after hearing how River could have turned out if the Academy had let her be, and not ruined her life.

I have looked here and there, so i would like to hear if you could help me find it

there is a few others scenes i would like to ask about too, i am not sure if one or more of them are in the same story as the scene described above

hope you can help:-)

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:31 PM

BYTEMITE


I'm sorry, I don't think I've read that one. I have to admit, I tend to go for Mal-centric fiction (If not Mal/Inara) first. I've probably missed a lot of good Simon, Kaylee, and River fic because of that.

Do you know where you've read it? Who might have authored it? Any way to narrow it down?

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:48 PM

KRELLEK


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm sorry, I don't think I've read that one. I have to admit, I tend to go for Mal-centric fiction (If not Mal/Inara) first. I've probably missed a lot of good Simon, Kaylee, and River fic because of that.

Do you know where you've read it? Who might have authored it? Any way to narrow it down?



see that is the case, I have no real idea of who that could have written it, But I am almost a 100% sure that it was here on bluesunroom.

there was a few other scenes, that also does not really is centered around Mal I can copy/paste pretty fast, but i am not even sure if they are a part of the same story, I barely remember i once read one where(not sure if it´s a part of the one/ones i am looking for, it´s after BDM, i think Mal is with Inara in it, where they rescue a little girl from a slaver ship, that Zoe takes care of(she was among the prisoners) shortly after a disillusioned former Alliance Special forces soldier pop up, and turns out to be the father of the little girl

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:54 PM

KRELLEK


this are the other two scenes(Simon/Kaylee)

scene2(S/K funny)
Simon and Kaylee has a small dissagrement, Simon might have said something bad once again, in Kaylee´s mind atleast, but this time Simon will not really admit to it, and says in a sligthly humorous way that it must have been EvilSimon(a"twin"/clone of simon, looking just like him, a part from EvilSimon is sporting a big black Mustache(Jayne is also a little into this scene too at the end)


Scene3(S/K more familly drama related i think)
Simon talking with Kaylee about his and Rivers parents, and there relationship with them: it is possible that Our mother(Reagan Tam)sent her to the school(The Academy) just to get River away, because she(River) was a slight socially embarrasement, that insteadd of being the seen but not heard, belle of the ball so to speak, instead was the brainy girl, with her nearly freaky intelligence at social events.(unknowing of course of what would happen at the Academy.

i know they might not be just like this, word by word, just to give sligth knowladge of the events that i try to describe:-)


p.s there was also in one of the first fics I read here on Bluesunroom, that i do not remember what it was called, there was this scene, where River comes into the eating area,(looking slightly embarrased/sligthly sick, it turns out it is not the medicine or the lack of the moodstabs that simon gives her, but instead the thing that all young girls must go though at some point, in this sligtly late(been told a lie by the academy that she could not have children))and Inara finds out that the guild might have broken one of there own rules by giving a special medical drug to The Academy(one to stop the female monthlies-cycle as long as the drug is taken.


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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:58 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

see that is the case, I have no real idea of who that could have written it, But I am almost a 100% sure that it was here on bluesunroom.

there was a few other scenes, that also does not really is centered around Mal I can copy/paste pretty fast, but i am not even sure if they are a part of the same story, I barely remember i once read one where(not sure if it´s a part of the one/ones i am looking for, it´s after BDM, i think Mal is with Inara in it, where they rescue a little girl from a slaver ship, that Zoe takes care of(she was among the prisoners) shortly after a disillusioned former Alliance Special forces soldier pop up, and turns out to be the father of the little girl



Don't think I've read that one either. Hmm.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 3:50 AM

KRELLEK


so have you found the old thread that you started a year ago, i would be very happy if i could see that one :-)

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 3:00 PM

ANOTHERSKY


Quote:

Originally posted by KrelleK:
so have you found the old thread that you started a year ago, i would be very happy if i could see that one :-)



not yet. when I do I will post it.
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Thursday, April 1, 2010 3:04 PM

ANOTHERSKY

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 11:45 PM

KRELLEK


Thanks

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Friday, April 2, 2010 3:58 PM

ANOTHERSKY


welcome.

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