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Serenity discussion on KFNX AM 1100

POSTED BY: SAINT JAYNE
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Sunday, March 7, 2004 3:58 PM

SAINT JAYNE


Ernest Hancock will be broadcasting a discussion on Serenity on Monday from 6:00-8:00pm Arizona time (MST, GMT -7) on KFNX AM 1100. He encourages us to join the live Webcast or download the archive from his archive page at http://www.ernesthancock.com/archive/index.shtml.

6-8pm MST (GMT -7 hours)
"Firefly"

The Internet Streaming will be live across the planet and can be accessed
from www.ernesthancock.com

The archived show can be accessed from www.ernesthancock.com/archive

The whole 2 hours are going to be full of Firefly.


Quote:

Ernest Hancock in a reply to an email:
One of my listeners turned me on to the DVD's and I watched them all in 3-4 days.

I got it right away (a freedom lover can spot another very easily). I asked for some fans to come forward and found that the libertarian movement was full of them. So I have one from Tucson driving up to Phoenix to be in studio and another from Phoenix. One is a computer engineer I think and the other is a biogenetics lab scientist. My listeners let me know that the movie was coming so I wanted to start getting Phoenix ready for the "Serenity Party" we'll be having on opening day :)

My show is very political and often serious but this series was really making a statement and ready to go places so I know I can use its message in a way that will get my audience interested in it. I understand why the suits either didn't have a clue or were not supportive of the message.

It'll be a lot of fun. I hope a lot of fans tune in to hear how much impact the series is having long after its cancellation (also wouldn't be bad for the suits to hear - the archive will be there forever for them to check it out)

Let me know if you need me to do anything to help you promote it. The Internet streaming is available as well as the archive that will have the show up within 3-24 hours.

Thanks for your interest,

Ernie


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Sunday, March 7, 2004 4:43 PM

RKLENSETH


Wow, this is great. A whole two hour radio show just on Firefly. Is it me or is Firefly still doing the impossible?

I am definitely going to listen to those two hours but I have to figure out what time it is on since I live on the East Coast. So I think it is 7:00pm EST is when it will start here. Thanks for the heads up!

And as I said, "Serenity" is getting more media exposure very early on. This is usually a good sign for a movie.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 5:14 PM

DBELL46


I beleve that 6-8 MST would be 4-6 EST. I'm not sure
but that's when I plan to tune in

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 5:29 PM

BEATLE


Awesome! I live in Phoenix too.

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 5:38 PM

FORRESTWOLF


Um, I think it's 8-10 EST, actually. Now we've got three opinions :)

Anyway, sounds great - I'll tune in! I don't think I'll enjoy the political part of it, but I must admit that the Firefly fan I work with IS a libertarian...

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 5:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Hate to say it, but ya got it backwards. Any time in Mountain Standard Time is 2Hrs BEHIND Eastern Standard Time..making it 8-10 EST. That'll work out just fine.. comes on right after the Simpsons.

Holy flirking schnit!

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 7:29 PM

FRANCTIREUR


I'm the guy from Tucson... I'm sure if any PHX browncoats are interested in participating they can reach Ernie through his site (ernesthancock.com).

But please do call in if you are in the area!

For the record, computers just a hobby *evil grin* I'm actually a plastics engineer.

rick

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 8:36 PM

ECMORGAN69


Excellent! As a NYC Browncoat, I'll have to listen to the webcast, if I'm home from work in time

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

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Monday, March 8, 2004 4:28 AM

SAMURAIX47


That's 8-10 pm eastern time. I look forward to hearing this show. Does anyone know if this show is syndicated in other radio markets?

Jaymes

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Monday, March 8, 2004 4:53 AM

KNIBBLET


Ernest Hancock in a reply to an email:
My show is very political and often serious but this series was really making a statement and ready to go places so I know I can use its message in a way that will get my audience interested in it. Ernie


I view myself as a fiscal conservative / social liberal with libertarian leanings.
What disturbs me about this is the potential politicization of Firefly.
I'm all for getting the word out about Cap'n Tight Pants, all the gang and the genius of Joss ... but, I don't want it all wrapped up in anyone's political agenda.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Monday, March 8, 2004 4:55 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


This is great! It is fantastic to see the show, and now the movie, getting some air time on the radio.

I will tune into tonight @ 8pm EST to check out the discussion.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Monday, March 8, 2004 5:12 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Good stories can always be applicable to anyone's political agenda. That is the nature of political agendas--they are opportunistic. And that is the nature of good stories as well--they have a depth and complexity that lend themselves well to diverse political perspectives.

I am sure someone has found liberal, conservative, and libertarian messages in all our classics, such as To Kill a Mockingbird or Lord of the Rings or The Matrix. If you don't like someone's political interpretation, you can always counter it with your own, or counter it with the interpretation that the world was too rich and complex to fix into any one political mold. That is the beauty of film and TV critique and free speech.

I see no harm in a libertarian radio station interviewing libertarian fans on why they like Firefly! Maybe other fans should call in and tell Ernest that Democratic and Republican fans like it too! :)

Can't Take My Gorram Sky
Anti-authoritarian, libertarian fan

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Monday, March 8, 2004 9:06 AM

SAINT JAYNE


I'm afraid we may just have to accept a political lean in this discussion. Still, Ernie decided to use his pull to shift some attention towards Firefly, which I think is admirable. As for the discussion, I'll just cross my fingers and hope for a good one. Maybe it'll spark discussion here. We could get him to link to FFFn.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 9:22 AM

CUDA


Hey, if Firefly becomes a source of political debate, that's just more publicity.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 9:40 AM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by Cuda:
Hey, if Firefly becomes a source of political debate, that's just more publicity.



Yeah, maybe we can get it into some of the Kerry and Bush Campaign ads ("WE'RE the big damn heroes!"..."No, WE're much shinier!!!"..."He'll raise taxes, gorrammit!"..."He's a ruttin' radical back-birth!!!")

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 9:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Good point, but I'd rather folks have seen the show FIRST then talk about any political implications than the other way around. I can't say what all Joss et all were hoping to do but make a damn good show. And that is exactly what it is. It's a kick ass story w/ really cool characters. I guess what gets me more than a tad skittish about this is that, while I do consider myself a Libertarian, above all, I really just dig the show. That so few folks have seen this ( virtually none of my friends caught it, even a couple of Buffy/Angel disciples ) some might get a distorted view of Firefly w/out ever seeing it. Remember the idiot who tried to label Firefly subliminally 'racist' by comparing the Alliance and the Independents to the North/South Civil War saga?

Ahh screw it ..there's no such thing as bad publicity...my mind is made up.. keep her flyin'!!

Holy flirking schnit!

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Monday, March 8, 2004 2:27 PM

RKLENSETH


How many people are going to tune in? I am going to.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 3:04 PM

GRIMCHAOS


i will try

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Monday, March 8, 2004 3:05 PM

GRIMCHAOS


i am right now....

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Monday, March 8, 2004 3:18 PM

CANTTAKESKY


To be realistic, the only people that probably will listen to this show are:
1. libertarians who haven't seen the show and will become interested, and
2. Firefly fans who want to hear anything to do with Firefly.
3. libertarian firefly fans who will enjoy the show on both counts.

Even though it is a valid concern, it is unlikely the danger of misrepresenting Firefly with Libertarian tangents will do any significant harm in this case.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Monday, March 8, 2004 3:47 PM

MAUGWAI


Although I am glad Firefly is getting radio play, I find this guy is annoying the crap out of me. For one thing, he doesn't seem to know any of the characters' names. And he's not really making any points, but he thinks he is.

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

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Monday, March 8, 2004 3:54 PM

BLUEEYEDBROWNCOAT


I agree, but it is good to hear Firefly getting radio play. :)

I don't ask for much - just Firefly back on the air once a week.... oh, and maybe world peace.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 3:57 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Tuned in out of curiousity and the first thing I heard was a recounting of Static's post about his trip home on leave.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=3853

This was followed by a description of the Firefly for the troops campaign and a plug for fireflyfans.net

So expect new traffic


I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!

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Monday, March 8, 2004 3:58 PM

RKLENSETH


They did mention this site, the DVD for troops, and Static's story about returning home. I think that is cool.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 4:13 PM

SEVENPERCENT


Even with all the mentions, they really arent talking about anything- I've now listened for an hour and ten minutes, and all I've gotten are plugs for the show and 'dont let the govt take us over' - Unless he starts making a point or doing some real episode criticism, I'll be tuning out real soon -

------------------------------------------
He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 4:19 PM

RKLENSETH


Well, we are having a Firefly discussion in his chatroom. Quite a few people from our forum.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 4:21 PM

BLUEEYEDBROWNCOAT


He's using the show as a way to talk more about his political views.
But it is still good for Firefly.

I don't ask for much - just Firefly back on the air once a week.... oh, and maybe world peace.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 5:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Well, that certainly wasn't my best day ever as I could not make a connection to the feed after DL the software. Oh well, I trust it got a decent audience.

Holy flirking schnit!

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Monday, March 8, 2004 5:01 PM

BEATLE


Way to go 'Tash!

Nice plugs.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 5:02 PM

RKLENSETH


Well, he claimed he did. There were quite a few people in his chatroom talking about Firefly. You can download it later from his archive.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 5:07 PM

SAINT JAYNE


I will never look down on you again, Succatash. Way to go.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 5:09 PM

RKLENSETH


Ummm....Did I miss something?

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 5:27 PM

DAVCO92


LOL! I could swear that Jayne just said that...

Burn the land, boil the sea...

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Monday, March 8, 2004 5:32 PM

RKLENSETH


Thanks but really, what did I miss? I wasn't paying attention too much in the end since I was chatting in the chatroom.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 6:14 PM

SUCCATASH


I think I managed some semi-drunken words about how great Haken is, and I also tried to slip in "Save Angel."


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Monday, March 8, 2004 8:06 PM

FRANCTIREUR


Well, aside from totally checking your brain as soon as you walk into a live radio-show, I think it went rather well. You should have heard Powell and I during the break... "It's ZOE you dumass!" That was my first time ever on radio, so if you couldn't already tell... that's my excuse, and I'm sticking with it!

And I apologize to anyone who beleives I "politicized" FF by being on that show. However, I believe some of the banter on the list is misplaced... I think "libertarians" (a.k.a. free thinkers) love this show because of it's... uh... hmm... anti-gubmint theme?

I'll echo Ernie's sentiments insofar as "libertarianism" or free-thinking is more than some dumb political party. I personally think that people are drawn to FF for a reason...

Just what that is, you tell me. I can only speak for myself. ;)

rick

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Monday, March 8, 2004 8:32 PM

FRANCTIREUR


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Good point, but I'd rather folks have seen the show FIRST then talk about any political implications than the other way around.

No, seriously... in my own case I learned of the show through Lux Lucre. I don't watch much boob-tube, and when I do, I find new and creative ways of avoiding Fox. They have been bad news for a while folks! Anyway, lux turned me on to "this" just before the DVD's came out so I bought the set. The rest is history.

I don't plan on being involved in this community much beyond planning and executing the Tucson "Serenity Party"... I got my fingers in too many other pies for y'all to be wondering if I'll try to take your fine hats here on your (very, by the way) fine web-site.

;)

(think of how jayne would say it)

rick


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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 12:34 AM

SERGEANTX


I think this guy had his info a little mixed up. He kept commenting about lines from Lux's flash animation showing up in Firefly and if I'm not mistaken I think it was the other way around.

Anyway, it was fun to hear Firefly talked up on the air. It think they'd be a bit surprised by Joss's politics though. And for that matter, the politics on Firefly weren't as cut and dried as they seemed to portray on the radio show.



SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 3:39 AM

CANTTAKESKY


I have to say, as a libertarian browncoat, I was disappointed with that show. There wasn't very much substance, for either Firefly or libertarianism. I think Ernie oversimplified and definitely read too much into Firefly that wasn't necessarily intended.

But I still commend his efforts for helping get the word out to libertarians who haven't seen Firefly yet. Maybe this will get them interested.



Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 3:40 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


I tuned into the program for about an hour & 1/2 last night. It was great to hear Firefly discussed, though the confusion on names was a bit disconcerting.

I still think it is great to get the show out to people that may not have seen it, or even heard of it. Any sort of publicity will benefit the movie effort.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 5:18 AM

ASTRIANA


Bumping as requested...

~A~

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 5:24 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


You beat me to it A.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 5:30 PM

BEATLE


I just listened to my downloaded version of the taped show. Did I miss something? Or did I download the wrong thing? The guy mentions wanting to talk about Firefly but all I heard were people calling in about local stuff.

Can someone please post the archived show that I listened to last night? I may have downloaded the wrong one. Yet, he does mention Firefly in the tape I heard.

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 5:36 PM

BEATLE


Quote:

Originally posted by Beatle:
I just listened to my downloaded version of the taped show. Did I miss something? Or did I download the wrong thing? The guy mentions wanting to talk about Firefly but all I heard were people calling in about local stuff.

Can someone please post the archived show that I listened to last night? I may have downloaded the wrong one. Yet, he does mention Firefly in the tape I heard.



Ok, nevermind. Knibblet just told me.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:40 AM

KNIBBLET


I enjoy hearing anyone talk about Firefly; however, did anyone else grow more and more annoyed everytime he said,

"They immediately like it, but they don't know WHY they like it." and "I'm going to explain to them why it appeals to them." And every time he said that, he reiterated that it was because of the overwhelming Libertarian message.

Sorry fella, I know why I like it. I don't need to be held by the hand and have my emotions, likes and dislikes explained to me by someone who feels he knows me more than I know me.

I enjoyed the conversation, but his attitude of having to 'splain things to the little children began to grate on my nerves.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:43 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by Knibblet:
I enjoy hearing anyone talk about Firefly; however, did anyone else grow more and more annoyed everytime he said,

"They immediately like it, but they don't know WHY they like it." and "I'm going to explain to them why it appeals to them."

Sorry fella, I know why I like it. I don't need to be held by the hand and have my emotions, likes and dislikes explained to me by someone who feels he knows me more than I know me.

I enjoyed the conversation, but his attitude of having to 'splain things to the little children began to grate on my nerves.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."



That was a bit annoying, but radio personalities have this need to explain things.

It was worth my time to listen for the recounting of Static's story.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:49 AM

KNIBBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
That was a bit annoying, but radio personalities have this need to explain things.
It was worth my time to listen for the recounting of Static's story.



Actually, it would have been more effective if this alleged fan would have REMEMBERED THE RUTTIN LINE !!!!

That's the other thing that bugged me about these guys. They couldn't gorram remember Zoe's name? They loved to toss out quotes, only they'd get them wrong.

Shesh! Another example of how if you're going to quote something, get the quote right. Make notes before getting on the air and vocalizing.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:44 AM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by Knibblet:
I enjoy hearing anyone talk about Firefly; however, did anyone else grow more and more annoyed everytime he said,

"They immediately like it, but they don't know WHY they like it." and "I'm going to explain to them why it appeals to them." And every time he said that, he reiterated that it was because of the overwhelming Libertarian message.

Sorry fella, I know why I like it. I don't need to be held by the hand and have my emotions, likes and dislikes explained to me by someone who feels he knows me more than I know me.

I enjoyed the conversation, but his attitude of having to 'splain things to the little children began to grate on my nerves.



Well, here's what I wrote in a /. post when someone asked what's so good about the show:

Quote:


Although fans have all sorts of reasons for loving this show, I think it boils down to excellent, convention-defying writing, a great cast with amazing chemistry from the first scene, and seamless transitions between entertaining action, riveting drama, and ROTFLMAO humor/comedy all within one 45 minute episode. Check out episodes like 'Our Mrs. Reynolds' our 'Out of Gas' for the best examples of this. Oh, and downloads of the TV eps are available here [versaphile.com], but only for a short while longer, so get them while you can!

"They've canceled the show but we're still here. What does that make us?" "Big damn junkies, Sir!" "Ain't we just.



RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:22 PM

ECMORGAN69


Quote:

Originally posted by Knibblet:
Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
That was a bit annoying, but radio personalities have this need to explain things.
It was worth my time to listen for the recounting of Static's story.



Actually, it would have been more effective if this alleged fan would have REMEMBERED THE RUTTIN LINE !!!!

That's the other thing that bugged me about these guys. They couldn't gorram remember Zoe's name? They loved to toss out quotes, only they'd get them wrong.

Shesh! Another example of how if you're going to quote something, get the quote right. Make notes before getting on the air and vocalizing.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."



Right on! I'm listening to the dl radio show right now, and the overabundance of oversimplification is more irritating by the minute. Also, if they purported to have watched these episodes several times, then how could they have forgotten character names? After watching "The Train Job" the first time when it aired, I remembered all nine character names after the fact. Hell, if you're going to do a radio show, wouldn't it have been prudent to rewatch the episodes for research purposes?

It's great that there was airplay about "Firefly", and it was great that FFFn got all the plugs, but I think they could've been a little more polished and a little less annoying about it.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:35 PM

SERGEANTX


It was all in good fun and I'm glad to see Firefly getting any kind of positive publicity. I do generally steer clear of those kinds of talk shows as a matter of personal preference and it was a little annoying that he seemed to be trying to pitch Firefly as political propaganda.

Funny thing is, I've been a libertarian since I started thinking seriously about politics. It's just that Firefly is much much more than that. Firefly is about people trying to find a way in a 'verse that doesn't seem to want them in it. Its about coming to terms with loss and defeat and trying to hang on to what's left even when it seems that 'none of it means a damn thing'.

...and, yes, its about people struggling to be free, but to see Firefly as an anthem to libertarian ideology really misses the point in my opinion.

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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