Firefly comeback? by Lurker99

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Firefly comeback?

POSTED BY: LURKER99
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 03:51
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Monday, June 1, 2009 6:18 AM

Has anyone else seen this? I have felt since cancellation that a made-for-TV movie or mini-series would be the best chance for Firefly to continue, and I find this news exciting:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/29/firefly-would-fox-or-nbc-be-willi
ng-to-bring-it-back/19669#more-19669

Firefly Fan Forever

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:01 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

For 5 years my heart has existed as a cold lump of coal when I consider the Albatross that was murdered by Fox.
-They advertised poorly = most people didn't know about it.
-They stupidly discarded the astonishing pilot episode = It wasn't introduced correctly.
-They proceeded to air episodes out of order = people couldn't figure out what was going on.

After all these efforts to undermine it, Firefly was cancelled for poor ratings. As one final insult they aired the pilot episode of the now-canceled-show seemingly to hurt fans.

The hatred I feel is cold. Cold like the thin gasses of space. They cannot bring it back the way it needs to return. Why? Well because:
1. Wash and Book are dead. I do not know to this day why Whedon wanted to kill his opus in this way. Why wasn't the film just about random thievery? Why cut to the core of the Reaver mystery, River's true nature, and then kill 2 of the precious 9 characters? The film should have been about any number of "normal" plotlines to set up a rebirth of the show. Kill Wash and book later.
2. Adam Baldwin has expressed repeatedly his hesitation to return as he's aging.
3. Whedon's focus has changed. I don't think he quite sees or understands that Firefly is his opus.
4. *most importantly* Fox owns TV rights. I do not trust them to do what is right. I do not even trust them to do what is profitable.

The only solution in my minds eye that could ever work would be this one that cannot be implemented: Joss declares the film as non-canon by saying it was what was needed to garner the interest of universal and thus a relaunch. Firefly returns with season 1.5 as if nothing transpired. It runs for six seasons during which Wash and book are killed under completely different circumstances, or not at all. Firefly becomes a household Sci-Fi name like Trek. A spinoff show is launched that runs a couple seasons which tells an adjacent story (Like the details of the Unification War) before it ends it's run. The actors of Firefly become famous in their own rights and have great careers. Summer Glau becomes Generation Y's Katheryn Hepburn.

No matter what I hear about a relaunch of a TV series I cannot take it to be anything but rumor. In my brief time on this sphere spinnin, I've seen many situations where a logical, profitable, and correct choice is ignored for any number of reasons. I'll offer a final quote from Ben Franklin related to the Paraliment of Britian: "If my long residence in London as this colony's agent to his majesty's court has taught me anything, it has taught me this: That when given a choice between doing what is right and what is not right, his majesty's government will choose the latter course every time"

That is Fox.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:18 AM

BYTEMITE

Adam said that? Aw. I still have my hopes, after all, Jayne never was that loyal, I could see him as having gone off to have his own adventures, maybe even purchased his own boat. But minus Wash and Jayne, you're out the two most comedic characters.

Joss changed the original script of the movie, I hear, because he felt that since he was working in a different medium than the tv series, the first draft seemed too episodic, "return to the status quo." So he ended on a more somber note.

I think he has had a little bit of regret, because when he was working on those books with Dark Horse, both of them were pre-movie.

And I agree that his focus right now probably is not on Firefly anymore.

But, he has said that he knows what Serenity 2 is going to be, I've even heard he has some of it written, and that he's just waiting for someone to make the offer.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:44 AM

WHEDONSUCKSCOCK

lets hope soo,for all u stupid guinea pigs that like your tv spoon fed anally...whedon takes great pleasure in fisting it up ur butt sweetie...

firefly and buffy must see,as punishment for those on death row and child molesters...lets make it happen...

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Monday, June 1, 2009 8:48 AM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse

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Originally posted by whedonsuckscock:
lets hope soo,for all u stupid guinea pigs that like your tv spoon fed anally...whedon takes great pleasure in fisting it up ur butt sweetie...

firefly and buffy must see,as punishment for those on death row and child molesters...lets make it happen...

You really are a thoroughly disagreeable little person aren't you. Obviously adulthood and civility are concepts that you haven't developed in your pre-cambrian evolutionary cycle.Oh, i'm sorry---too many grown-up words? There are children on this site who conduct themselves in a far more cultured way than yourself.Disagreement is allowed,neanderthal clubbing IST VERBOTEN. Moderator,can we please remove this individual from our verse?

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Monday, June 1, 2009 9:03 AM

231

Maybe Serenity 2 could be in the same verse, but focus on a different ship and crew, perhaps? That's if there's even going to be a sequel.

Still flyin

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Monday, June 1, 2009 9:54 AM

BYTEMITE

No, wait, if they get booted now, then we'll never find out what the reason behind this resentment is.

I have my bets on "fandom lost to Firefly or Buffy in an online poll somewhere."

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Monday, June 1, 2009 9:54 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Originally posted by Lurker99:
Has anyone else seen this? I have felt since cancellation that a made-for-TV movie or mini-series would be the best chance for Firefly to continue, and I find this news exciting:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/29/firefly-would-fox-or-nbc-be-willi
ng-to-bring-it-back/19669#more-19669

Firefly Fan Forever

I like the way that guy thinks - all very plausible too.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 2:20 PM

BRINGITBACK

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The only solution in my minds eye that could ever work would be this one that cannot be implemented: Joss declares the film as non-canon by saying it was what was needed to garner the interest of universal and thus a relaunch. Firefly returns with season 1.5 as if nothing transpired. It runs for six seasons during which Wash and book are killed under completely different circumstances, or not at all. Firefly becomes a household Sci-Fi name like Trek. A spinoff show is launched that runs a couple seasons which tells an adjacent story (Like the details of the Unification War) before it ends it's run. The actors of Firefly become famous in their own rights and have great careers. Summer Glau becomes Generation Y's Katheryn Hepburn.

Ive seen this argument pop up before and Ive got to be honest...it really pisses me off.

The movie is canon... To suggest that hours of lobbying, hard work and great story-telling should be swept aside because you don't like the fact that two major characters died is a joke.

While we are at it...lets ring up George Lucas and see if we can get him to rescind the death of Darth Vader...still some interesting story lines left in that character dont you think?

Imagine all the Brave Heart sequels if William Wallace didnt die...stuff history.

Why dont we bring back Samuel Jackson in Deep Blue Sea? Noone saw the shark popping up and killing him did they?

Loved characters die, people get old...THAT IS LIFE and despite the fact it was set 500 years into the future, firefly and Serenity provided a great example of what life can really be like.

-Adam Baldwin joked that he didnt want to be Jayne when he was 60...but I would bet my house on the fact he would come rushing back at any stage.
-Wash and book may be dead...but that doesnt mean their characters and influences have to die too on the people around them.
-Firefly the TV series is gone...it just is. What we can hold hope for now, and realistic hope at that, is the introduction of a sequel or two or few mini-series.

Joss Whedon killed characters for a reason and if you read some of Jewel States' blog's, you would also know that ``Joss wanted us to age by atleast a couple of years for a sequel.'' So, perhaps he wants to set a sequel far enough into the future that he can create some side games/comics/books in the time in-between.

I really do hope I never see this `Serenity was a bad dream' rubbish again...

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Monday, June 1, 2009 7:13 PM

JRNYFAN

Makes complete sense and that is the reason it won't happen...and that's just sad.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:44 AM

BROWNCOAT01

In the end, it all depends on if some "suits" with money want to pay for a sequel. At least that's what Joss said.

Still flyin

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 3:07 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

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Originally posted by Bringitback:
To suggest that hours of lobbying, hard work and great story-telling should be swept aside because you don't like the fact that two major characters died is a joke.

*sigh*
Alas, you did not fully read my post. I qualified all my statements. The issue twixt us would be centered in your phrase I quoted above: "Great Storytelling". I'm the biggest browncoat you'll ever meet friend. The TV series was great storytelling. Serenity the film was not. The film tried to pack 5 lbs of go-see into a 3lb bag. There have been plenty of long analyses about this subject on fff.net since 2005, seek out any number of them buried in the archive.

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lets ring up George Lucas and see if we can get him to rescind the death of Darth Vader.....Imagine all the Brave Heart sequels if William Wallace didnt die...bring back Samuel Jackson in Deep Blue Sea? Loved characters die, people get old...THAT IS LIFE.

You say things I am more than completely aware of, but your outlook is to simple. My vision of these subjects encompass a much broader scope. I was quite clear in my previous post that if it's the destiny of Wash and Book to perish to serve a greater story then so be it. The way the film presented these events was not the best way to do it. Firefly was always meant to be on the small screen. That is the story's medium. The move to a large screen was certainly an important step to promote awareness in an effort to jump-start a season 2...but it was NOT a venue to kill the opus. And that is what happened, Whedon made it clear to audiences that he wanted to bring an ending to things. So silly and sad when these same events could have transpired in a season 3 or 4 and had more meaning.

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Joss Whedon killed characters for a reason

I appreciate your 'Joss is Boss' attitude. I used to share it. Throughout Buffy I learned to trust the man. Jenny Calinder's death in season 2 BtVS, while painful at the time, set Willow's magical path. I wrote an essay on this subject. But nowadays I perceve that outside his natural medium (TV) Joss Whedon makes mistakes. This has nothing to do with who lives or dies, but about good storytelling. You might focus upon my prior statements related to Wash and Book but those are the easy plot points in which to find holes (And thus prepare a defense for Whedon). Can you provide me a proper defense as to why he cut to the center of the Reaver mystery? Or River's nature? These are 2 of the most important plots to the entire premise of the 'verse and require at least 2-3 seasons of slow-reveal. And yet within 2 hours they were laid bare for all to examine. No, I tell you: Whedon made his choice and killed his magnum opus on the big screen. I certainly agree that Whedon kills characters for a reason, but with a dead-end film there can be no reason. In TV there is hopefully a season 3 and a season 4 ect...to provide the storytelling power to make events mean something. Films are stand alone efforts which might be sequeled. Serenity the film should serve the same purpose as the River Tam Sessions, to add value. The main body of the tale is better served by being contained in a series, where time can serve the story. This is why Buffy the TV show works and Buffy the 1992 film is terrible. Joss simply could not fit the nessessary minuta into the 1992 effort and his writting was derailed by the Kurzi duo.

Killing characters in Serenity was as valueless as telling everyone what Reavers were. These things required time to simmer. THATS good storytelling.

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I really do hope I never see this `Serenity was a bad dream' rubbish again...

A Bad dream? Oh it's as canon as anything. I said as much before. But I'll have no trouble repeating to you why it was a gorram mistake if it requires a re-statement.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:08 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Okay! People talking about Firefly/Serenity, here.
People talking about shoving things into an orofice, elsewhere.
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I read a review regarding Serenity from a couple of years back (2005), and the writer had an interesting comment on the deaths of Wash and Book. He said that the Book's death made sense within the context of the movie. He said that it was a motivating factor for Mal's story arc - a man who finds something to believe in. Mal found his rudder.

He went on to say that Wash's death, on the other hand, was done merely for shock value and served no purpose other than to have us think that no one was safe.

Now let's think a moment about this. Might I suggest to return to the DVD set and watch OoG.
Storytelling done correctly is an art. Just look at how Joss tells the story of the gathering of the crew. There is a way to bring Wash and Book back to life without doing the whole "Dallas" dream sequence.

Now let's go make that mini-series.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:58 AM

BROWNCOAT01

Sounds good to me.

Still flyin

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:35 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
There is a way to bring Wash and Book back to life without doing the whole "Dallas" dream sequence.

You'd have to pack 6 seasons of development into a space as wide as the gap twixt Objects in Space and the feature film while at the same time dodging the 2 graphic novels Those Left Behind and Better Days.

Never going to work.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:51 AM

BYTEMITE

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I actually disagree on the effect that Book's death has on Mal. Book ASKS him to believe, but that's not something you can just tell Mal to do and he'll do it, nor does Book tell Mal anything specific to believe IN. So if Book's death made Mal believe in something... What is it?

I think Book's death served as just another motivation for revenge against the Alliance. And Mal found a vector for it on Miranda.

And to be honest, I think that makes Book's death cheap. You didn't need to kill Book to give Mal another motivation to broadwave the Miranda message, just like you didn't need to kill Wash to add a sense of danger, or to make clear that what the crew is trying to do is suicidal.

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