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Saw an Intresting Article about Firefly Return

POSTED BY: DESRAGON
UPDATED: Saturday, May 30, 2009 21:29
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Friday, May 29, 2009 5:21 PM

DESRAGON


was seching on google nes and spoted the article wht saught my attention was the part about making short movies or somthing like that.
wht are ur thoughts?

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/29/firefly-would-fox-or-nbc-be-willi
ng-to-bring-it-back/19669


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While speaking with some people over the last few weeks there has been a lot of chatter about FIREFLY. There are those who think FIREFLY is the only reason DOLLHOUSE was renewed (not true, but everyone is entitled to their opinion) because FOX didn’t want another FIREFLY disaster (basically the DVD set selling in outrageously large numbers that proved the series was canceled prematurely, and treated horribly). I kept saying “If that was the only reason, they’d just bring FIREFLY back, and pull a FAMILY GUY.”

Is that realistic? Well lets first consider the fact that DOLLHOUSE was renewed for multiple reasons and FIREFLY was likely in the back of their minds. However Eliza Dushku & Joss along with the rest of the cast and crew provided a lot of good reasons for renewing the show during the 2nd half of season one. DOLLHOUSE was renewed for a lot of reasons and FIREFLY wasn’t a big part of it. However that doesn’t mean that FOX wouldn’t like to bring it back.

Would they? Yes. I think from my talks with the people running FOX that they would bring it back under the right circumstances. However, you must understand that right now Nathan Fillion, Adam Baldwin, Morena Baccarin, and Alan Tudyk (plus he was killed in SERENITY) all have gigs for the foreseeable future. However don’t underestimate the power of a movie. FOX could likely be easily talked into a Movie or two for next season. They could air after an NFL game or playoff game. The movies would easily sell on DVD.

The question now falls into rights, but the guys at FOX wouldn’t be alone. If Universal is now in possession of future rights to projects, NBC or USA wouldn’t mind getting in on the cash opportunity either. A couple movies shot and made for TV and then released on DVD would be profitable for anyone involved. At the same time the cast would still be able to keep doing their normal gigs. Just shoot the movie around their schedules.

A Movie made for TV does a few things. One it reminds fans of why they love the Brand. For another it brings new viewer possibilities to the Brand. A movie could spike the original series DVD and Blu-Ray sales as well as SERENITY sales. For the network that runs it they find out how viable a Brand it can be. Is it worthy of bringing back? The ratings will make the point for them. I’m betting it would pull a 3.0+ with ease. Bring in $150k to $220k a spot and for a 2 hour film that is nothing to sneeze at. Set a budget of $4M for the movie and you’re looking at serious profit before DVD sales ever enter the equation.

Mutant Enemy should try selling it. One movie’s success could easily spell 2 movies in 2010-2011 season, and may in fact mean a whole new series if CASTLE can’t quite make it. UNIVERSAL MCA once made a big splash on TV by making movies just for TV and it was a success that lasted years and died out in the 80s. I still think it’s a viable business option for TV if done right. FIREFLY is just the right property. Mutant Enemy should approach them because if they’re waiting for a TV executive to come up with that kind of good idea, they’ll be waiting forever. NBC would easily kill for anything that could pull over a 3.0 right now and FOX wouldn’t mind pulling that for a Sunday evening either.


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Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:25 AM

FILLYGIRL

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Thanks, it seems like we are finally getting main stream attention, like we've been trying for. Now if the two fueding companies could get common agreement on producing a new show/movies we will get more.
JMHO, I DO think F*x was concerned about "DH" ending up like "FF" and not being given time to get the story built, and F*x being stupid and cancelling it too soon.(again)
Their is a big difference in the 'way' we are being handled this time,...

Isn't it funny, that all the selling points listed in the article are the same points we've been selling for YEARS!???


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Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:55 AM

BLACKCATLADY


Maybe we have have a decent discussion here with out it getting "heated" or emotional like it seem of have done at TVBTN or at Whedonesque.

My opinion....anything is possible!

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Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:00 AM

BYTEMITE


I guess there's a lot of fans who look at Firefly as having taken away from Buffy and Angel, and resent it for that reason.

I can't really understand how anyone could call the dialogue "stupid" or say that it "made them want to puke" unless they had some reasons to want to dislike Firefly before they even watched it.

And, of course, there's other fandoms out there (the ones that feel like they're competing with us) that find how fanatical we are a bit ridiculous... I don't see any problem.

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Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:02 PM

T3HMOTO


I don't know about Angel, but you'd have to be insane to think Firefly took something away from Buffy. I just watched the last few episodes of Buffy because I wanted to see Nathan in them (I sort of recall seeing them when they first aired, but didn't remember anything about Nathan's character), and that show really couldn't have ended on a better note. It was a -perfect- place to stop the series.

Otherwise completely agree with you :P

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Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:21 PM

BRINGITBACK


A friend of mine was hearing the same whispers about 2 weeks ago...

I think a window is opening again and there is a real chance of a return in some capacity if Joss wants to make it happen.

Great to see people other than us giving it a thought too..

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Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:49 PM

SLEVIN7


What I was thinking is that Joss shouldn't talk to Fox and talk to SciFi. I think SciFi would so make another show/movie, they already aired serenity acouple of times. Just a thought.

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Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:56 PM

COZEN


Am I alone in thinking that Firefly would make for a perfect HBO television series, like Deadwood, Rome, et al?

Yeah, I know, there's a massive amount of selling, contractual negotiations and lawyering twixt what now is and what could be.

Just a thought.

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Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Cozen, if HBO or Showtime were to pick up a Firefly series for continuation, they'd get my money for as long as the show ran, at least. I'm not alone in this, I'm sure.

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Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:37 PM

TUJIAOZUO


Quote:

Originally posted by cozen:
Am I alone in thinking that Firefly would make for a perfect HBO television series, like Deadwood, Rome, et al?

Yeah, I know, there's a massive amount of selling, contractual negotiations and lawyering twixt what now is and what could be.

Just a thought.

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That's so funny, I JUST finished watching the entirity of Deadwood in the span of five days and left thinking 'Joss should totally hook up with HBO' (His brother Zach actually co-wrote an episode of Deadwood, which, IMO the show got the short end of the stick with it ending like that). HBO would definitely allow Joss to explore some pretty dark facets of the 'Verse (and foul language would not be kept just to Mandarin, and Jayne... well he'd most defintely get some hard core play for ye Baldwin lovers). Plus, the budget would allow for some more scifi elements to be prominent as well as being able to explore placed like the opulent core.

And I've always thought the Sci-Fi channel was the way to go as they would allow creative room and they have the budget money. Also, Sci-fi is apart of NBC Universal, which holds the rights to the movie.

regardless, this article renews hope for me. A few movies would be shiny.

Your Indian Pirate Lord,
Ash

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Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:15 PM

COZEN


Therein lies the pity of it all: that Joss Whedon has sold his contractual soul to Fox. Kinda gums up the works, eh?

I'd think that by now there's tv networks that understand a continuation of Firefly would be profitable in dvd sales, regardless of ratings it would accrue during it's initial airing. The precedent is out there.

I don't know the specifics of how it all went down when Whedon initially pitched the show back in '01/'02, but I get the possibility that Fox were the only folk then willing to chance bringing the idea to fruition. The tragedy now lies in the fact that the broadcast/selling rights now lie in the hands of those who are least willing or able to produce more of this awesome entertainment. Such that the process of transferring these rights to producers with the gumption and dollars required to bring it to small or large screens has become immensely complex, above and beyond the fact that the characters and the actors are aging with inaction. After all, it's been seven years since the concept, and four years of adventures since we've last had the opportunity to visit the 'verse. River's not a kid any more, y'see?

Still, remember the resurrection of Star Trek. Now, there's a relevant precedent if ever there was one.

It's doable, and I cling to that hope. But the franchise has to be wrested from the killing grip of Fox's blue hands.





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Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:29 PM

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And it depends if anyone even wants to continue the verse on screen. People move on,you know.

You can't take the sky from me!

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