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Sunday, February 8, 2004 5:00 AM

STATIC


You guys are gonna hate me for this, but. . .

WHERE IS THE LAUNDRY ROOM?

We knoooooooooooooooooooow they do laundry, because in "Shindig" when the fellas are playing cards around the table, they're not betting with money, they're betting with chores, and laundry is clearly mentioned. In fact, I think the three chores are 'laundry', 'dishes' and 'garbage'. We could say, "Oh. . .well. . .they don't do laundry ON THE SHIP, they just wait until they land somewhere like Persephone and then hit the local "Suds and Duds", and whomever's 'turn' it is, has to pay for it."

NAY, I say! Because they're sometimes in space for a couple of weeks at a time, and there's no guarantee that where they DO land, they'll have time to DO laundry before Jayne or Mal start a fight and they have to go running back to the ship to escape. . .leaving their laundry behind, or at least having to slog an armload of wet clothing while running, which, is not fun to do when being chased by Alliance feds, the Blue Hand Group or Niska's goons. (Don't ask how I know this, just trust me.)

SO. . .wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's the laundry room?

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 6:31 AM

HARDWARE


Not sure, but the area immediately to the left as entering the galley/mess area throught eh forward hatch seems to be unoccupied. Given the design philosphy of Serenity as demonstrated by the commode in the crew quarters the washer/dryer could easily be concealed in a wall.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:21 AM

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Heh, the dishawasher is probably a combo unit - clothes & dishes, just can't do both at the same time.

If the doing laundry wasn't a chore to be done, I would have thought that each dorm room would have one those 'clothes cleaning closets' that I have seen at Best Buy.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:05 AM

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Sorry for the sideband chatter. But IRT laundry room. Couple of weeks is nothing. Military folks - that would be most everyone onboard the Serenity are used to sitting in the same 2 or 3 sets of clothes for about a month at a time. After a while, fresh clothes just don't feel right. Besides doing all that laundry is a big waste on fresh water. I wouldn't really be surprised if they didn't have a laundry.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:17 AM

STATIC


You know. . .

I'm military and in Afghanistan, and I can tell you that we will wear the same clothes if we HAVE to, but we sure as hell don't WANT to. If they're 'home', which is on the ship, I figure they'd want to have clean clothes.

I've noticed that Simon, River, Jayne and Inara have the most diverse wardrobes in the show. . .Jayne with his variety of T-Shirts, and even the one nice button-down shirt he has in HoG.

Kaylee and Wash. . .well. . .I'm living proof that one can NEVER have enough sets of identical flight suits (or coveralls in Kaylee's case). They could have two dozen EACH. Wash DOES, however have a collection of hawaiian shirts that I envy.

Mal and Zoe. . .well. . .let's just say I bet that damn burgundy shirt of Mal's could go to a sword fight by itself, and Zoe's costume seems to be the same from episode to episode as well.

Book. . .well. . .I know several priests. Same argument as Wash. . .only replace 'red flight suit' with 'grey collared shirt' . . .sometimes short-sleeved, sometimes long.

The only reason I brought up the laundry issue is because it apparently is a chore that is prevalent enough that they would use 'who's turn is it to do laundry' as gambling markers in a card game.

Oh yeah. . .and I'm betting by 500 years in the future, there's either an alternative shower/laundry method to hot water (sonics or something, maybe?) OR there's a darn good water purification/recycling rig on space ships.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:37 AM

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Do you really need to have a dedicated laundry room to do laundry? Anywhere with a reasonably large sink would do (the bathroom near the passenger dorm?)...heck, if you had a big bucket/tub, you just need a faucet.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:42 AM

STATIC


You know. . .such a scene would have a sort of 'poetry' to it, actually. Five centuries into the future, lasers, hovercraft, space ships, but the crew of Serenity do just fine washing their laundry in a huge tub of water. . .HEY. . .then they hang it up in the hottest room on the ship, the engine room, to dry!

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:55 AM

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I've been doing deck and floorplans for Serenity for a while now, and there are a lot of areas of the boat that aren't shown in the show.

1. There are two doors at the aft end of the side gangplanks in the cargo bay. We never see where they lead.

2. In the fore hall, there's a door on the bottom port side of the stairs to the bridge which is never opened.

3. There's a door to port of the main bridge door in the bridge that is never opened. It corresponds with the door mentioned in #2 above, and my theory is that they connect (OMR's mention of Saffron fusing both entrances to the bridge) via a shaft which leads to an airlock under the bridge (and possibly to the area mentioned in #5 below).

4. There are two doors on the port side of the galley, on either side of the shelves in the middle of that wall. They might lead to an airlock--perhaps the anomalous hatch that Jayne and Kaylee use to get to the roof in Trash.

5. The area reached by the stairs between the two consoles on the bridge is never shown.

6. There is a corridor that leads around the back of the infirmary. It leads starboard from the entrance to the passender dorm from the cargo bay, and it connects to the passenger lounge just aft of the ladder that leads up to the hall between the engine room and the galley.

7. We're never actually shown what's behind the door in the port wall of the passenger lounge. It's heavily implied by Book's towel, etc. in OiS that it leads to the bathroom.

8. There are ladders leading up at the very end of both of the corridors in the passenger dorm. We're never shown where they lead, and they don't seem to connect to the engine room-galley corridor. Note also that the floor of these two corridors curves up at the end, implying that they're near the skin of Serenity's aft bulb.

The short hall off the starboard wall of the galley seems to simply join with the stairs leading down to the cargo bay. There's certainly not much room in that area for anything else.

And that leads me to the biggest problems I've encountered in the effort. Serenity's exterior doesn't match her interior.

Using the wonderful pictures of Serenity from this site's features section, I've attempted to draw up some deck plans. Unfortunately, the bridge is too high compared to the galley, so the fore hallway winds up having to run uphill--which it obviously does not do in the show.

Likewise, the engine room, which is clearly meant to sit in the center of the rear bulb (Look at the dimples on the rear-most circle on the aft view. They match exactly the chrome bulbs that run around the curved ceiling at the aft of the engine room, as well as the main engine itself.), must be much lower than the galley. This requires the aft hall to run downhill, which, again, does not match what's on screen in the show.

And, no, the stairs in the fore hall and the engine room can't account for the difference in height. Using the position of the shuttles as an indicator of the height of the doors leading to them from the cargo bay dictates that the engine room is about a full storey lower than the galley. Lowering the galley a little is possible, but this just increases the relative height of the bridge.

One can get a sense of the scale of the interior from the fore hall and the galley, BTW. The ceiling of the fore hall matches the curve of the top of Serenity's neck. And, note that Mal's room has a curved floor at the end furthest from the ladder, indicating that it's quite near the skin of the ship.

We know the galley is very tall, and that the windows on the top of Serenity's transept (yes, I think Serenity's very church-like) are the windows we see from the exterior. The aft octagonal window is obviously meant to match the galley lounge. However, working purely from the exterior leads to a lounge which is much too small, and a galley which is too long and skinny if you try to match its scale with the erroneouse lounge and the fore windows.

Hmmm... I'm rambling now, and I could go on for quite some time. If I were to place the laundry anywhere, it'd be through one of the mysterious doors at the aft of the cargo bay. That's the only place with any serious room left unshown in the ship, and it would make sense to have the ladders at the aft of the passenger dorm lead there as well. The other option would be in the unseen corridor leading around the infirmary. However, there's really not much room left at the bottom of that bulb. As it is, the bathroom has to be pretty darn small to fit.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 1:47 PM

JASONZZZ



"Aviators" (I meant that as a friendly intra-service rivalry, not an anti-war Army-scum deal), figures... I meant grunts, which the shows characters were supposedly, then again maybe they were aviators or squids too.

Well... at least you are a fixed wing puke (I think)... hehe

Not all of the military have the same luxuries... most grunts just recently have the luxury of a somewhat realistic menu for their MREs. and Realistic in the sense of compared to dog biscuits. Having clean clothes, a hot meal, and shower is definitely a luxury for most grunts.



Quote:

Originally posted by Static:
You know. . .

I'm military and in Afghanistan, and I can tell you that we will wear the same clothes if we HAVE to, but we sure as hell don't WANT to. If they're 'home', which is on the ship, I figure they'd want to have clean clothes.

I've noticed that Simon, River, Jayne and Inara have the most diverse wardrobes in the show. . .Jayne with his variety of T-Shirts, and even the one nice button-down shirt he has in HoG.

Kaylee and Wash. . .well. . .I'm living proof that one can NEVER have enough sets of identical flight suits (or coveralls in Kaylee's case). They could have two dozen EACH. Wash DOES, however have a collection of hawaiian shirts that I envy.

Mal and Zoe. . .well. . .let's just say I bet that damn burgundy shirt of Mal's could go to a sword fight by itself, and Zoe's costume seems to be the same from episode to episode as well.

Book. . .well. . .I know several priests. Same argument as Wash. . .only replace 'red flight suit' with 'grey collared shirt' . . .sometimes short-sleeved, sometimes long.

The only reason I brought up the laundry issue is because it apparently is a chore that is prevalent enough that they would use 'who's turn is it to do laundry' as gambling markers in a card game.

Oh yeah. . .and I'm betting by 500 years in the future, there's either an alternative shower/laundry method to hot water (sonics or something, maybe?) OR there's a darn good water purification/recycling rig on space ships.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 2:21 PM

STATIC


Quote:

Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

"Aviators"



Oh. . .oh yeah? (we're not very good with quick retorts)

Quote:

Well... at least you are a fixed wing puke (I think)... hehe


Nope. . .I'm a rotary puke. I drive an Apache Helicopter.

But thanks for putting me in my place. *grin*

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 3:40 PM

JASONZZZ


Eh, at least you aren't in the AF. Those guys get air conditioned "dorms". Their accomodation is so good, it's not even the barracks - let alone GP mediums. bah.

hehe, no worries, "legs in a can" ain't much better, I suppose...

oh crap. I meant to say "At least, you *aren't* a fixed wing puke.... Sorry to have insulted you by calling you a fixed wing puke... although those guys that drive the AC-130's scares the heck out of me.

(5.5MB video, about 7 minutes long of AC-130
engaging an al-qaeda camp in AFG)
http://www.vampirebat.com/war/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv

but back to your original thread, you are probably right. Whomever heard of wearing a dirty Aloha shirt. Them things needed to be washed, and I've of course, forgotten about Inara's wardrobe.

Quote:

Originally posted by Static:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

"Aviators"



Oh. . .oh yeah? (we're not very good with quick retorts)

Quote:

Well... at least you are a fixed wing puke (I think)... hehe


Nope. . .I'm a rotary puke. I drive an Apache Helicopter.

But thanks for putting me in my place. *grin*

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 6:44 PM

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I agree with Fortunatus, the laundry area is prolly hidden behind one of the magical mystery doors. I spent much time poring over the ship when I made my own floorplan, and there are definitely places where there would be enough space for a laundry room, so I don't think they'd have to resort to the ole sink wash. Just pick a door... hope there's not a braying donkey behind it.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:03 PM

MOMAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Fortunatus:

And that leads me to the biggest problems I've encountered in the effort. Serenity's exterior doesn't match her interior.



I spent three days trying to make them match up before arriving at this conclusion. The project has been abandoned.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:15 PM

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I know this is a thread about laundry...but this has to do with being clean, so it's kind of the same, right? I'm talking showers. I remember the episode (can't remember which one, but i can see it) where Book walks out of a room with a towel around his shoulders and we imagine that he has just gotten out of a shower.

Any theories on what kind of shower that it is? Is it like a normal shower like we have? Or some wierd space shower? The towel would imply that there was water involved.

Also, how many showers are there? I'm sure there's not one for each person on Serenity, but is there just one in the passenger dorms, or is there one for the crew too?

They might be able to go a couple of weeks without washing they're clothes, but I'm not so sure about showering...


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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:32 PM

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I'm guessing water is involved at some point in the bathing process.

I always assumed they all bathed in amanner simaler to Inara while in Space - a bucket of water, and a sponge. This would save a ton of water. So perhaps Book just returned from doing this.

I doubt it's some futuristic people cleaning machine. Strange as this sounds, it would seem too futuristic for their interplanetary space ship.
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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:37 PM

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I always kinda thought Inaras sponge bath was more of a spiritual clensing...

And also, why couldn't book do this sponge bath deal in his own room?

You don't suppose the crew stands in they're little fold out toilet and pores water over they're heads...do they?

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
... although those guys that drive the AC-130's scares the heck out of me.

(5.5MB video, about 7 minutes long of AC-130
engaging an al-qaeda camp in AFG)
http://www.vampirebat.com/war/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv



What exactly is going on this clip? Is the plane spotting for artillery? Is it firing its own weapons? Very blurry video, and there's no mic recording exterior noises...

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:48 PM

JASONZZZ



There some research going on about sonic showers.
It actually works well with cleansing off components, but not sure how that works with tissues.

Quote:

Originally posted by ebonezer:
I know this is a thread about laundry...but this has to do with being clean, so it's kind of the same, right? I'm talking showers. I remember the episode (can't remember which one, but i can see it) where Book walks out of a room with a towel around his shoulders and we imagine that he has just gotten out of a shower.

Any theories on what kind of shower that it is? Is it like a normal shower like we have? Or some wierd space shower? The towel would imply that there was water involved.

Also, how many showers are there? I'm sure there's not one for each person on Serenity, but is there just one in the passenger dorms, or is there one for the crew too?

They might be able to go a couple of weeks without washing they're clothes, but I'm not so sure about showering...


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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:52 PM

EBONEZER


Quote:

Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

There some research going on about sonic showers.
It actually works well with cleansing off components, but not sure how that works with tissues.




That could very well be the answer to our laundry question... May be it cleans people AND laundry (and maybe even does the dishes...) all in one fell swoop. That would be a good space saver on a spaceship.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:53 PM

JASONZZZ


Oh no! It's a video of an AC-130 spectre. This thing carries a 105mm howitzer, a 40mm cannon, and a couple of gatling guns all mounted pointing to its port side. It flies in a circle loitering over the target and just pumps out shells with obviously devastating effects. The images are IR so it's not meant to be full colour video. You are watching and listening to the crew spot and unloading shells on the targets as it loiters.

Static can probably comment on this a bit more.

Quote:

Originally posted by Momaw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
... although those guys that drive the AC-130's scares the heck out of me.

(5.5MB video, about 7 minutes long of AC-130
engaging an al-qaeda camp in AFG)
http://www.vampirebat.com/war/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv



What exactly is going on this clip? Is the plane spotting for artillery? Is it firing its own weapons? Very blurry video, and there's no mic recording exterior noises...



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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:56 PM

EBONEZER


Quote:

Originally posted by Steve580:


I doubt it's some futuristic people cleaning machine. Strange as this sounds, it would seem too futuristic for their interplanetary space ship.
-Steve



Something that would seem futuristic to us might not seem so futuristic to them, remember the laziter thing in trash? It was old news to them, but to us that's advanced technology. So it's possible that they have some sort of outdated (to them anyway) furutistic people cleaner.

Or maybe in the future people just don't smell.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:57 PM

JASONZZZ



LOL, reminds me of that episode of "Seinfeld" where Kramer cooks a complete meal while he is showering.

Quote:

Originally posted by ebonezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

There some research going on about sonic showers.
It actually works well with cleansing off components, but not sure how that works with tissues.




That could very well be the answer to our laundry question... May be it cleans people AND laundry (and maybe even does the dishes...) all in one fell swoop. That would be a good space saver on a spaceship.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 9:23 PM

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Oh, Static. A most rascally can of worms you've opened and no mistake!

Now, I'm not going by any deck plans, but only by memory and ergonomic deductions (i.e., talking out of my azz), buuuuut...

I'd say that it makes sense to have the laundry facilities as close to the crew quarters as possible (there may not always be passengers in the dorms, but SOMEbody's gotta fly the thing ["Oh, right. That'd be me."] ). Also, it would make sense to have any putative clothing cleaning machinery in a location which could efficiently hook into the "gray water" (i.e., clean enough for rock and roll, but not for drinking) stream in the recycling system.

So, my vote would be for a location in the galley area (perhaps round one of those bends). Space is not so much an issue, since the commodes show a design philosophy involving hide-away, Murphy-bed-like arrangements (for all we know, laundry machines could be stored in that roomy dome space above the galley, which we never see, and lowered to floor level when needed). Also, the plumbing could link up with dish-washing drainage (a process which might involve hooking up leaky valve heads [say, to ports in the floor], making it even more of a chore).

As for Inara's sponge bath: apart from being eye candy (which it surely was...even though Morena's such a plain woman...homely, even), it might simply reflect Inara's private nature. A shuttle need not necessarioy have a shower (let alone laundry), and she might limit her trips to the common washroom outside the passenger dorm (especially with Jayne about!).

Just my $.02. I've tried to keep the wankage to a minimum.

And, of course, the movie could have a taut dramatic subplot involving a malf in the laundry equipment...ripe with tension, you might say...

Keep scrubbing!

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Monday, February 9, 2004 12:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Oh no! It's a video of an AC-130 spectre. This thing carries a 105mm howitzer, a 40mm cannon



The 40mm must have a very good rate of fire, then? That would explain why it looks like lots of shells landing in a short period of time? Several times there's a BOOOM, then boom-boom-boom.

If they're trying to mop up guys on the ground though: wouln't it be a little more precise, and a lot cheaper, to use the gatlings...

(Momaw's only military experience is via PC gaming, and they don't get very much into why's and wherefore's, therefore he begs forgiveness for stupid questions)

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Monday, February 9, 2004 6:29 AM

STATIC


The 40mm cannon on the AC-130 fires at a rate of 500 rounds per minute. It utilizes the same sort of Infrared targeting as the Apache helicopter as well as the same 'line of sight' targeting system, whereas, the weapons system tracks with the movement of the gunner's head, so all he has to do is 'look' at the target.

You're right, Mo. . .the gatling guns have the ability to be a little more precise, but the trade off is that they go through ammunition MUCH faster. The vulcan cannons are pretty much good for one, maybe two trigger pulls. The 40mm, and 105mm cannons fire explosive shells, so they serve as an 'area weapons system'. . .you don't have to hit the target. . .just get within about 10 meters of it.

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Monday, February 9, 2004 8:31 AM

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Quote:


Now, I'm not going by any deck plans, but only by memory and ergonomic deductions (i.e., talking out of my azz), buuuuut..



I'm gonna do the same here, but put in my $0.02US. First of all, I imagine everythings set up something like a space-winnebago (spinnebago), something kinda spaceballs. Now, I don't own an RV (meybe somebody here does) but I think I may have been on one once, maybe it was a camper, okay I was camping. But they make 'em so you can shower, shave and sh-(ahem) releive yourself all in the same two square feet. It can be reasonably deduced that they use water for all that stuff, if it was some space shower (spower) then why would Book need a towel? To get to my point, they could have a small washer/dryer unit that occupies a total of less than eight cubic feet, a two-in-one kinda dealy thingy. Anyway, there would be more than enough room for one of those in that "shower area" Book emerges from in OiS. All these things are probably rigged for mega water conservation (i.e. routing shower water to flush the toilets, etc), and they probably have some sort of water recycling thing on the ship, but still have to pick up some water when they fuel up at one of those "fueling-stations" they mention in the pilot.
Okay, now I'm done talking out me arse. Back to discussions on guns (which I find entertaining and informative, thanks Discovery Channel!)

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(edited to add: This would probably be located near the passenger quarters as passengers are probably not permitted in or around the crew quarters area, though it could also be near the galley, but mostly people try and keep dirty laundry away from their food).

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Monday, February 9, 2004 8:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fortunatus:
(stuff cut)

And that leads me to the biggest problems I've encountered in the effort. Serenity's exterior doesn't match her interior.
(stuff cut)



Woohoo!

I think I found a solution (for at least some of the problems)!

I was trying for a while to design accurate blueprints, and always came up against the various problems you mentioned. I realised that I could only be faithful to the interior design if I ignored the exterior design...a not very satisfactory solution, and one that caused me to push the blueprints aside. I tried a little 3d modelling, but wasn't having much success.

One solution that I had thought about (and others had mentioned) involved having the forward corridor angled up a bit. It solves several of the problems with lining up the bridge, but it was just too unsatisfactory: there are too many shots of the interior where it is clear that the floor is not angled for me to pretend it was.

Then it hit me: why not put the entire level at an angle?

When we look at the side view of the ship, we assume that the angle of the floor is parallel to the horizontal. It just seems to makes sense. But this is a spaceship, not an office tower. Artificial gravity means that we don't need to worry about lining up the floor with the horizontal.

I found that if we place the entire upper floor at a 2 degree angle from the horizontal (with the high side at the bridge and the low side in the engine room), many problems are solved:

1. The bridge now lines up with the forward hallway in a more satisfactory way.

2. There is now space for a small room under the bridge at the bottom of the stairs (most schematics I tried did not leave enough space for this room).

3. The engine room is now lower down inside the core of the rear section.

(One assumes that the artificial gravity is also calibrated at a 2 degree angle, so that someone standing inside the ship feels like they are on a flat surface.)

Now, looking at the exterior view and the placement of the galley windows, one can see that the angle of the floor can't be too far off the horizontal. Otherwise the windows are in the wrong place. But 2 degrees is not excessive, and for the most part is not a noticeable angle.

The question comes up about the lower floor. Is it also 2 degrees off the horizontal? If each floor has its own grav plates than there's no reason it has to be angled as well. However, if you do decide to tilt the lower floor by 2 degrees (which I chose to do, for aesthetic reasons) it does not create major problems. Like I said, 2 degrees is a barely noticable angle, even when the ship is on the ground and the front doors open.

There are other problems that this solution does not fix:

1. The shuttles are still mounted too high on the side of the ship (an almost unresolvable problem, unless you scale the ship down to a ridiculous level to make room for the galley - I prefer to believe that the shuttles in the schematic are in "launch position", and when fully docked are nestled down lower).

2. There is no room for an airlock above the forward hallway (used in Objects in Space and other episodes).

Whaddaya think?

Hans

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Monday, February 9, 2004 9:04 AM

AERRIN


Just a note - many UK homes have the laundry machine in the kitchen. No reason Serenity couldn't be the same.

Although I'm personally in favor of the notion that laundry's a bit different from how /we/ do laundry. It just doesn't make sense to use that much water to clean dirty clothes in space.

Anyone know how they actually do laundry on shuttles now? Do they use water? Wear dirty clothes? Have a new outfit for every day of the journey?

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Monday, February 9, 2004 9:47 AM

FORTUNATUS


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Then it hit me: why not put the entire level at an angle?


I thought of that, but I kept running into the problem of the cargo bay being directly under the galley. Then, again, it works if you ignore or explain away the shuttles as you've suggested. And, really, you almost have to, considering what they do to the height of the cargo bay.

You mention that you tip the lower floor by 2 degrees as well. Don't you find that doing so causes the passenger dorm to poke out of the bottom of the bulb?

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Monday, February 9, 2004 10:18 AM

HANS


Quote:

Originally posted by Fortunatus:


You mention that you tip the lower floor by 2 degrees as well. Don't you find that doing so causes the passenger dorm to poke out of the bottom of the bulb?




Almost. My 3d model is still a little rough, so I'm not 100% sure how well the dorm's fit in. Anyway, fitting the dorms is a problem in any schematic. If you imagine that the dorm level is the point of turning, and one achieves the 2 degree lift by raising the front of the lower level (without lowering the back level) it does kinda work. I'll post a schematic when I have one I like. :)

Hans

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Monday, February 9, 2004 10:28 AM

THALOS


Any way you guys can share a copy of these Serenity floorplans/blueprints etc...



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Monday, February 9, 2004 5:26 PM

CHANNAIN

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Quote:

Originally posted by Static:
You guys are gonna hate me for this, but. . .

WHERE IS THE LAUNDRY ROOM?



Quote:

Originally posted by Aerrin
Just a note - many UK homes have the laundry machine in the kitchen. No reason Serenity couldn't be the same.

Although I'm personally in favor of the notion that laundry's a bit different from how /we/ do laundry. It just doesn't make sense to use that much water to clean dirty clothes in space.



Getting to watch as many home improvement shows as I do can provide some insight into this. Designer's challenge recently remodeled a kitchen so that the washer/dryer was an over/under set up, artfully hidden behind lovely cabinets. However, I have to agree with Aerrin - that's a lot of water to use up, and I don't think Joss' 'verse is the kind with sonic showers.

How improbable would dry cleaning be? We have those little dryer cloths that you're supposed to be able to put with your dryclean-ables in a bag in the dryer and *presto* no gargantuan bill. And even without water involved, laundry can't be any fun. Me? I have no trouble doing it - I just hate the folding.

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