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Enneagram Personality Types

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Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:15 AM

LEXAN


Been reading about Enneagrams lately and applying them to fictional characters, namely the Firefly cast:

Mal- 8 (Leader, Protector) Zoe- 3 (Motivator, Achiever)(I think...) Wash- Not sure Kaylee- Either 2 (Giver, Helper) or 7 (Enthusiast, Sensationist, Generalist) Simon- Either 6 (Loyalist, Devil's Advocate)or 1 (Perfectionist, Reformer, Critic) River- Either 4 (Artist, Dreamer, Individualist, Aesthete) or 5 (Observer, Investigator, Outsider, Intellectual) Book- 9 (Peacemaker, Mediator) Inara- 4 or 9 Jayne- Not sure

For those unfamiliar or who want more info: http://www.enneagramcentral.com/

There are nine personality types and nine characters, though I doubt each would have a corresponding character without one or two types being repeated. I did use all the types above though. Further discussion on characters' personality and their relationship to the Enneagram would be appreciated.

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Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:28 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


This is totally one of those threads I've meant to

start myself , but have never quite found the

time...I always figured Joss most have started

with a book on enneagrams/personality theory

when conceiving the Firefly crew...



You have a great mind , and I'm glad you thought

to start this thread...

I have a hard time picking a favorite character ,

'cause I'm like all of them in some way , and I

feel like they're each a part of me...

Wun Mo Ting , Wash would be

Artist/Savant/Conscience , etc. He'd be primarily

a Style 7 by the link you gave...

He's like the 'Yang' Kaylee , if you think on it

a tick...But , he and River have much in common ,

too...That's why River ends up being a new pilot

for Serenity...She's a lot like he was...



Using the Link you provided , Jayne would be

predominantly

Challenger , Individualist ,

Loyalist !, and Critic...

He's primarily Style 8 , though...'Challenger .

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Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:01 AM

ZOID


Well, I'm a 5, 'Observer', according to the test. The descriptions on the site seem to fairly accurately describe my behaviors as well. Please note that I have always identified most closely with River (note my avatar), because I recognize in her a certain dissociation, a distance, from the immediate world and its inhabitants; while simultaneously being keenly aware of crucial minutiae that her fellows do not recognize, and which help her make cognitive leaps (as when she senses the fire in OoG).

I often say that people seem oblivious to obvious cues in the environment and others' behavior, and that I don't know how anybody could miss them. In my work, I am frequently able to predict what my next series of control instructions will be, how pilots will respond to them, and how much assistance a pilot will need to taxi/fly the pattern/exit a runway -- 10 to fifteen minutes before any of this transpires -- to the amazement (and occasionally, apprehension) of my coworkers. I always chuckle and say, "I'm not psychic, just observant."

So, I think River is definitely a 5, and I can very easily see River saying "I'm not psychic, just observant", regardless that Joss decided to give her mystical powers. That was my biggest disappointment in her character's development. I felt that she could just as easily be explained without resorting to the supernatural...





Observantly,

zoid

P.S. I'm also a Meyers-Briggs eNTP... γνῶθι σεαυτόν _________________________________________________

"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:14 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid: Well, I'm a 5, 'Observer', according to the test. The descriptions on the site seem to fairly accurately describe my behaviors as well. Please note that I have always identified most closely with River (note my avatar), because I recognize in her a certain dissociation, a distance, from the immediate world and its inhabitants; while simultaneously being keenly aware of crucial minutiae that her fellows do not recognize, and which help her make cognitive leaps (as when she senses the fire in OoG).

I often say that people seem oblivious to obvious cues in the environment and others' behavior, and that I don't know how anybody could miss them. In my work, I am frequently able to predict what my next series of control instructions will be, how pilots will respond to them, and how much assistance a pilot will need to taxi/fly the pattern/exit a runway -- 10 to fifteen minutes before any of this transpires -- to the amazement (and occasionally, apprehension) of my coworkers. I always chuckle and say, "I'm not psychic, just observant."

So, I think River is definitely a 5, and I can very easily see River saying "I'm not psychic, just observant", regardless that Joss decided to give her mystical powers. That was my biggest disappointment in her character's development. I felt that she could just as easily be explained without resorting to the supernatural...





Observantly,

zoid

P.S. I'm also a Meyers-Briggs eNTP... γνῶθι σεαυτόν




You're an ATC-droid , then ?

SWWEEET ! I useta want to be one of those , 'cause I was already a 'flyer' , and the best ATC-bots are nearly always flyers...

Iffen you've got the Riparian skillset like you describe , you should definitely get the stick into your hand...Unless you already have , that is...

Your self-description indicates a high degree of integration of the cerebral hemispheres...And the super-intuition that makes for a great glider pilot or astronaut...I'd fly with you , if you're the willin' sort...

Hmmm , I never quite attributed River's gifts to the supernatural...Just the Super Natural...

I come out as a '4' , but have more than a fair share of 5-ish attributes...Have a super natural sense of where to find my next thermal , or what part of a ridge is 'working' , and I can 'see' the airflow patterns...

Couple years ago , I got an invite to test-drive an Aviat Husky at my home-drome , and I obliged 'em...

The controller got some laughs out of it , 'cause there was a strong quartering headwind , and verily , I levitated the craft before it had rolled half its own length...

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Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:14 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Gorramn double-post...Ah well , opportunity knocks...

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Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:44 AM

ZOID


out2theblack:

Well, thanks for the invite, but no thanks just the same. I'm one of those 'terra firma' guys: The firma the terra, the less firma the terror. I guess I've listened to too many black box recordings, and read too many NTSB reports... Funny, innit? It's always the pilot's fault, even if it's not the pilot's fault. I mean, the engine can fail, you can encounter wake turbulence and microburst downdraft, and they'll conclude that the PIC failed to control his aircraft.

Seems a little unfair. Seems like at least some clairvoyance is part of y'all's job description...

As for the tail-dragger: I know they say, "a real pilot wants to fly a tail-dragger"; but, I've only ever seen two mishaps, and both of them were in tailwheelers: 1.) a Piper Pacer ground loop performed by a 20-year airline pilot; and 2.) a prop strike by a taxiing Citabria, piloted by a controller co-worker. Apparently, the trick is to never stop flying them, from departure hangar to destination hangar.

All due respect, I think I'll stick with surface travel, unless I just have to get somewhere really fast...





Chicken-ly,

zoid

P.S. When one dies suddenly, one's life is supposed to flash before one's eyes in that last moment as Death becomes imminent. The problem with dying in a plane that has suddenly decided to forget how to fly is that it takes soooo looong to fall out of the sky to one's final proof of gravity. I mean cartwheeling earthward from five miles AGL? What's that take, like 5-6 minutes? That's way too long for my liking. I've got entirely too many events in my past that I'd just as soon skip over in my waning moments. And imagine screaming like a lost soul for a full five minutes (see, 'black box recordings', above)... _________________________________________________

"I aim to misbehave (but not at an altitude of one mile or greater)." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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