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Looking for a Jaynes Hat

POSTED BY: BIONICBATMAN
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 07:48
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Thursday, February 1, 2007 7:23 AM

BIONICBATMAN


Is anybody on here selling Jayne hats that are less than $20? I keep looking on eBay and every one is over 20. You would help out alot. I REALLY want one!


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Thursday, February 1, 2007 7:27 AM

MOTOPSYCHO


you cant buy jaynes hat,one his momma made it for him to stay warm in the black,n 2,its far too cunning for the likes o us to go prancing about in,but if your in the chatroom,ask valeriebean real nice like and she may knit you one...................

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 7:38 AM

BIONICBATMAN


Replica*

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 7:38 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Step 1. Find Aunt/Grandma/2 cousin twice removed who knits
Step 2. Buy yarns listed below at local crafts store
Step 3. Give Aunt/Grandma/2 cousin twice removed the following pattern:

Heather's Firefly hat
Jayne, original Jayne hat image, and Firefly copyright Joss Whedon
This specific pattern copyright Heather Hill
For non-commercial use only (I'm flexible, contact me with questions)

I used Lopi in yellow for the top, orange for the bottom, and rust red for the earflaps. Any suitably rustic wool will do. This hat is sized to fit someone with a head of between 21-22 inches around, which classifies as medium to large adult. To change the size, you may wish to alter the gauge, yarn or number of stitches cast on. On the ribbing, I think two rows of ribbing would have looked more authentic, but I was a bit worried about it curling. I'll do just two rows on the next one to see how it goes.

Yarn: 1/2 skein orange, 1/2 skein yellow, 1/2 skein rust red Lopi
Needles: 16" circular size 10 1/2 + 1 set double-pointed 10 1/2
Gauge: 12 stitches and 17 rows over 4 inches (or thereabouts)

BODY OF HAT:
Using orange, CO 64. (I used cable cast on, as I wanted it to be nice and loose.) Being careful not to twist stitches, join and place marker to indicate the beginning of the row.

Work k1p1 ribbing for three rows.

Still using orange, knit for approximately 2 1/2 inches. At the end of the round, switch to yellow and knit for another 3 1/2 inches, or until it looks high enough to you. It should stick up off your head just a bit.

On next row, k2tog over entire row, switching to double-pointed needles when hat becomes too small to work on circular. Repeat k2tog with subsequent rows until you have seven stitches left. (Number of stitches left may vary depending on how many stitches you cast on.) Cut yarn and draw through remaining stitches to cinch up the top. Weave in end.

EARFLAPS:
At base of the hat, find the back. You may still have a tail hanging down that would indicate its spot. If you don't, really, you can just find anyplace. Ma Cobb isn't worrying about precision, neither should you.

From the back, count six stitches and place marker (PM). Count 20 stitches from that point and PM. Count 12 stitches and PM. Count 20 stitches and PM. You should have four markers, which will mark your earflaps.

Using rust red, Pick up and knit the 20 stitches between the first and second marker. Work in stockinette stitch for approx 3 1/2 inches. (Stockinette is knit one row, purl one row. Remember, the knits go on the outside of the hat (RS, or right side), the purls go on the inside (WS, or wrong side).)

At beginning and end of each RS row, k2tog (knit two together). At beginning and end of each WS row, p2tog (purl two together). Do this until you have one stitch remaining. Cut yarn and draw through. Don't bother weaving it in, but you can knot it again if you want. Cut a length of rust red yarn and loop it through one of the bottom stitches, tying it off. Ma Cobb left three (or so) little ends on each earflaps so her boy could tie it.

Repeat with other side of hat.

POMPOM:
If you know how to make a pom-pom, skip these directions. Make a pompom about four inches in diameter with a little bit of yellow, some orange, and a lot of rust red and attach it to the hat. If you want to see directions for pom-pom making with pictures, go to Bev's Country Cottage and click on the third "how to" pom-pom link. It's a nice PDF.

In a nutshell, Cut two circles out of cardboard, each about 3 1/2 inches in diameter. Make a hole in the middle of both about 3/4 of an inch in diameter. (This isn't precise. I stuck my scissors in the middle and wiggled them around until it looked about right.) Cut a length about the size of your arm of all three colors and thread them onto a tapestry needle. Push the needle through the hole and begin wrapping around the outside, so that you're covering the cardboard part. When that yarn is gone, cut a length of orange and rust red and repeat. Then cut a length of rust red and repeat. Keep wrapping until you can't get any more yarn through the middle of the hole in the cardboard.

Take your scissors and cut around the outside of the cardboard circle. Separate the circles just a bit. You'll see that you have a little bundle of yarn, with the individual pieces all lined up. Take a length of yellow yarn and tie it firmly around the middle part. Remove the cardboard. Tie the pom-pom firmly to the hat. You may want to use a tapestry needle and loop it around more than once so the pom-pom isn't floppy. Fluff up the pom-pom.

FINISHING:
Weave in any loose ends, except the ones at the end of the earflaps. Remember, Ma Cobb isn't worrying about the odd bit sticking out here and there, so you've got some leeway if your hat doesn't look perfect.

(Courtesy of emisanboo over at crafster.org. Thanks!)

*Cost? About $8-10.

Step 4: Enjoy envious looks over your new cunning hat.



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Thursday, February 1, 2007 7:47 AM

BIONICBATMAN


Well unfortuneately no one in my family, not even twice removed knits. Anyway i can send a message to Verlariebean?

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 8:12 AM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE


Oooh, thanks for the pattern Mav, I might wanna try to make that! Except right now I can only make scarves, and very simple hats...The earflaps might be problematic.

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 8:22 AM

MAVOURNEEN




It's really not that hard, but you really need to have your gauge down pat in order to produce it successfully.

I can do the adult size just fine. I am having SERIOUS problems scaling it down to make a baby/child's hat (but I'm working on it...as I want to send one out to Utah some day to a browncoat who will be carrying a mini-coat hopefully soon!)

I would advise going over to crafster.org and reading this extremely long thread for advice on making the hat. Some of these ladies have some good tips and it is fun to see the completed projects.
http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=19076.0


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Thursday, February 1, 2007 9:03 AM

FIREFLYGAL


I'm not a knitter but it doesn't seem right to me that people are looking for handmade Jayne hats cheap. The supplies and time are worth way more than $20. Be willing to pay for what something is truly worth. I hope the knitters that are willing to knit Jayne hats do themselves right and charge some good coin. You're worth it!

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 9:48 AM

KAIN


I do have a lady that makes them for me, they are $20 and about $3 shipping. They are ALWAYS on back order, but one should available by next Tuesday. Just let me know!

Kain

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 11:57 AM

CALLMESERENITY


Sorry, I can't sell my hats for less than $30. The yarn is not cheap, and neither is all the effort I put into them.

But, if you decide you'd like one anyway, I'd be happy to make you one.

Serenity,
President of The Juggled Gosling Chatroom
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Thursday, February 1, 2007 10:39 PM

SHAMELESS


Yeah, but remember? Jayne's hat was all flawed and cutely lumpy/loopy/slightly misshapen and WONDERFUL that way. Though you still would want soft yarn... but you can get enough yarn for $10 and it be great quality. I think the argument against $30 is that he'd (she'd?) rather not have to pay for the labor cost, and well, once you have the needles, you have the needles. You use them again and again and again... if I didn't already know how to knit and had to choose between buying one for $30 and knitting one myself, I'd go out and learn. But you're absolutely right - if somebody wants to buy one ready made, that's a good price, and definitely worth it.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:41 AM

TVINI


Howdy! I'm Heather, and that's my pattern up there. :) I happened to wander by and wanted to speak to the issue of price.

I make and sell finished Jayne hats. I also sell Jayne hat knitting kits for those who want to give it a go on their own. The kit (minus needles) is $17 (at the moment - the price of my preferred yarn just went up). It includes yarn, premade pompom, stitch markers, a little http://www.wearwithstyle.com card with care instructions (handwash cool only!), and a little bonus sticker. It also includes a pattern in sheet protectors, including instructions on cable cast-on, spit-splicing (not required!), how to avoid twisting stitches, how to pick up stitches for the earflaps, and other handy tips.

I think it would be difficult to make this hat as a brand new knitter for $8-10. That's because the yarn I use is $7 a skein (at the moment, as I say the price just went up), so you'd be out $21 if you bought the same fiber from a yarn store. If you needed to buy some good bamboo circular and double-pointed needles, you'd be out another $18.

Jayne's hat was wool, so that's what I choose to use, although others have their own preferences of course. You can definitely buy acrylic from a big box store, but it will give a different effect. You might also consider Knitpicks.com if you want inexpensive wool. However, if you're starting from scratch and do not have needles or yarn yet, I would be very skeptical that you could get out of this project as a first-timer for under $20 unless you had someone to borrow needles from.

If you want to learn a new skill, which I always encourage, you should definitely have at it. Several of my customers have learned to knit specifically to make this hat. Others had made scarves, but have made this their very first project in the round. There's nothing like a really cool hat as a motivator to get you to keep at it.

Just to point out, we're not exactly getting rich off of these hats. If you assume materials + shipping + expertise in writing the pattern and modifying it specifically to the customer's specs are worth $30 WITHOUT hourly labor, then nobody's exactly making minimum wage knitting a cunning hat. It's truly a labor of love.

If you want it for under $20, you're going to need to use cheap materials and scavenge needles or else get a friend to do it for you. Both are honorable options, worthy of Ma Cobb!

(Side note: cotton washcloths or dishcloths are a great first practice project if you're wanting to learn how to knit. Kitchen cotton is super-cheap, it's a small fnished object, and if your washcloth looks like grot then nobody but you ever has to see it.)

Good luck, and if you have questions about the pattern or knitting, drop me a line.

Cunning hats for stylish Browncoats
Knitting kits available too!
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:47 AM

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:52 AM

MAVOURNEEN


oooh. Heather!!!

Can I tell you how much I enjoy the Jayne's hat thread over at crafster? The finished hats are so awesome, and everyone's stories are filled with Browncoaty goodness.

I hope you don't mind (it seems that you don't) that I posted the pattern. In my mind, yours is the one that produces the best finished product. Did you also do the mini hat that fits on a GI Joe doll?
More importantly...do you have a pattern sized for a baby? My knitting skills are limited to following a pattern. Sizing is quite another matter.

I feel that someone who wants a hat for under $20 really has no idea how much work goes into knitting one. That, and supporting 'Verse knitters should encourage folks to pay the asking rate.

So glad to see that you amble over here now and again.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:18 AM

TVINI


Heh! No, no problem posting the pattern. I don't do the mini-sized one. I do wish I'd thought of it first, though!

I've made kid-sized ones before. It's just a matter of figuring out the noggin size, multiplying that by your gauge, and then subtracting about an inch so it doesn't slide off their head. Also, I always knit baby hats a little big - they grow so fast!

So, assuming you're getting 3 stitches to the inch and a 24 month old kid has a head circumference of about 18 inches, that'd be 3x18=54. For a younger baby, you could drop it down to 50 if you wanted. If your gauge is different, you can just multiply your gauge times 18 (or whatever head circumference you've got). I've done baby hats at 4.5 stitches per inch and cast on about 70. That's what Cascade 220 knits up at, if I recall the ball band correctly.

The earflaps are about a quarter of the total cast-on, and I'd recommend placing them back just a little on the head so they don't obstruct vision.

So, bearing in mind that I haven't checked the finished pattern against an actual toddler,

Gauge: 3 st=1"

With orange, CO 54. Being careful not to twist stitches, join into round.

Knit 3 rows of K1P1 rib.

Knit 6 rows even in orange.

Switch to yellow. Knit 17 rows.

Begin decreases: K2tog every stitch over next few rows until you've got about 8 remaining. Break yarn and draw through remaining stitches to secure. Weave in end.

Earflaps:
From back of hat, count 5 stitches. Place marker. Count 12 stitches. Place marker. Count 20 stitches (this is the front). Place marker. Count 12 stitches. Place marker.

Between markers 1 and 2, pick up 12 stitches. Using red, knit in stockinette (knit one row, purl one row) for 12 rows.

Begin decreases: On RS (right side) row, k2tog, knit to last two stitches, k2tog.
WS (wrong side): p2tog, purl to last two stitches, p2tog.

Repeat those two rows until you have two stitches remaining. k2tog (or p2tog, I didn't work out which side you'd end on. Probably p2tog).

Break yarn and draw through. I'd recommend weaving in the end rather than leaving the nice dangly bits, as those strike me as very chewable to a curious baby.

Repeat earflap on other side of hat.

Use above pompom instructions. You may wish to use a smaller circumference circle.

Put on baby and cackle with glee.

There it is, rough as it may be. Give me a holler if you have any questions!

Cunning hats for stylish Browncoats!
Knitting kits available too!
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:32 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Tvini:
Put on baby and cackle with glee.



Thank you so very much Heather!
I can't wait to knit this. I'll let you know how it turns out, either here or at crafster, where I'm also Mavourneen.



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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:35 AM

SHAMELESS


Honestly, I think I said what I did about price because... well, I don't keep track of it very well. "Ooh, I want to knit this! I need this! I'll buy it! I have $60, that covers it, right?"

Yeah...

Wow, Heather, that's your pattern? That's funny, since I love the hat that you guys are sorta selling (at least, once it looks like when knitted)! I think I'll still buy my own yarn/needles - maybe - plus, I want to learn how to make a pompom!

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Landmines - $50 per
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:48 AM

VALERIEBEAN


Okay, yeah, I do the Jayne hats for $25. Light-weight, so you can live through a con without working up too much sweat. Order through http://www.this-land.net

If you like, I also have links to several Jayne hat patterns there as well as a few "how-to-knit" sights if you want to try and learn ( http://www.this-land.net/flansites.htm)

It took me about three months of trial, error, and impatience to knit my first hat, but I'm a lot faster now.

IF (AND ONLY IF) you are looking for Jayne hats for CHARITY AUCTIONS/NON-PROFIT such browncoat save-the-world type events, I may be able to arrange a discount.

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