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In Serenity, are those guys who I THINK they are??

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Friday, November 24, 2006 3:35 AM

CHRISISALL


As Simon breaks River out, two guys are watching moniters in a room, and one slides his chair into view to get a better look at the screen- and thier hands are hidden from view...
Hands Of Blue dudes? A little acknowledgement to us fans of the series?

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Friday, November 24, 2006 3:37 AM

GLADIATOR32


Possibly. Looked like the Pet Shop Boys to me...

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Friday, November 24, 2006 3:48 AM

AURAPTOR

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Where they the same guys who saw River and Simon via the monitors in the security room? They wore suits much like the H.O.B. men, but didn't have the blue hands. Maybe they only have blue hands when they're on service calls.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 3:54 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Where they the same guys who saw River and Simon via the monitors in the security room? They wore suits much like the H.O.B. men, but didn't have the blue hands.

Not true, we never saw their hands, check it out.

Sneaky Joss... Chrisisall

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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:19 AM

ECGORDON

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In the original script Joss described that scene this way:
Quote:

INT. GUARD STATION - CONTINUING

As a guard looks at a screen impassively. He mostly resembles a secret service man -- more bureaucrat than thug.

A second man rolls into frame on a chair behind him, also watching the screen.

The first rises, putting his hand on the monitor, revealing that he wears tight blue gloves.


In the version printed in the Serenity Visual Companion, that last sentence was deleted. If Joss had left that in the film it would have been a nice nod to the fans of the series, but he probably thought it would confuse newbies so it wasn't necessary.




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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:25 AM

SAFEAT2ND


That's one thing I found missing from the film. The Blue Hands.

I mean in the series, they are the ones after River., but in the movie, they are suspiciously absent.

I like the Blue Hands. I really like writing for them in fanfic. For some reason though, when I write them they tend to read like a cross between the Blue Hands and Agent Smith from Matrix.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:26 AM

SIRI


A similar question, when Simon breaks River out, he pops down some sort of sonic device. I don't think it kills people but it zaps them. He nor River are wearing gloves and aren't affected. Why?



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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:32 AM

PHOENIXROSE

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The absence of the blue hands from the movie is explained in the comics.
I'd love a copy of that original script.
And the sonic device (bouncing betty) that Simon has sends out a shockwave at roughly eye level, and both he and River are under the blast.


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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:32 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


It wasn't the same type of device that the HOB used in "Ariel." It was probably a sonic device that rendered the doctor and the assistants unconscious. Notice that the effect is at approximately eye level of the doctor, but Simon knelt down to avoid the effect and River was in the examining chair so she was also below it.

As for why the HOB were not more prominent in the BDM, that was explained in the comics.


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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:39 AM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
In the original script Joss described that scene this way:
Quote:

INT. GUARD STATION - CONTINUING

As a guard looks at a screen impassively. He mostly resembles a secret service man -- more bureaucrat than thug.

A second man rolls into frame on a chair behind him, also watching the screen.

The first rises, putting his hand on the monitor, revealing that he wears tight blue gloves.


In the version printed in the Serenity Visual Companion, that last sentence was deleted. If Joss had left that in the film it would have been a nice nod to the fans of the series, but he probably thought it would confuse newbies so it wasn't necessary.





Ha! That's so cool, I always was kinda disappointed that those guys weren't in the movie too...
Once when I was watching it with my dad he pointed out those guys and said that they could be the hands of blue guys, but you couldn't see their hands so you never could really tell.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 6:12 AM

DONCOAT


The two actors who played the security men in the BDM were not the same actors who portrayed the HOB guys in the series. There could, of course, be more than two such guys in the 'verse.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 6:27 AM

GRIZWALD


Quote:

the HOB guys in the series


are dead, of course.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 6:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by DonCoat:
The two actors who played the security men in the BDM were not the same actors who portrayed the HOB guys in the series. There could, of course, be more than two such guys in the 'verse.


Or, the lighting coulda made 'em look different....

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Friday, November 24, 2006 6:41 AM

WHOISRIVER


In the Firefly Visual Companion (available now - pimp) there is an interview with Joss Whedon at the front. He says the same two actors were never supposed to be used for the Blue Hands in Firefly - that was a mistake which had got by him.

There are, in fact, many blue hands. And the above script exert which has been posted is correct - they were going to be in the movie, but got removed as it was just too confusing for newbies.

Blue Sun was connected to Miranda in the series, and Blue Sun's reach extended much further, too.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 10:27 AM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE


Quote:

Originally posted by Grizwald:
Quote:

the HOB guys in the series


are dead, of course.




Dead? When do they die?

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Friday, November 24, 2006 11:30 AM

GWEK


Raed the comic (Serenity: Those Left Behind). It's basically the first season finale, and wraps up the Hands of Blue storyline, to some extent.

As has already been pointed out, the intention in the series was that there were MANY HoBs, and that they were troubleshooters for Blue Sun. Blue Sun was pretty much expunged from the movie to streamline things.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 11:48 AM

DONCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Grizwald:
Quote:

the HOB guys in the series


are dead, of course.

Probably, at the time of the BDM. But the breakout scene was a flashback, so they were alive then.

Unless, of course, they were never actually alive at all...

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Friday, November 24, 2006 11:52 AM

GRIZWALD


Oh, they're dead all right. Read the comix.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 12:45 PM

THEONETRUEBIX


You can absolutely see their hands in the movie, or at least the hands of one of them, which is how we know for certain they didn't end up in blue gloves.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 1:35 PM

STINKINGROSE


In the commentary you hear either Nathan or Joss saying something along the lines of "and now we KNOW we're in trouble because there's the guys from Fine Young Cannibals".
Definitely a different pair of stuffed suits than before (after..whatever).

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Friday, November 24, 2006 1:39 PM

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Friday, November 24, 2006 3:35 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


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hands of blue

(is it just me or is one reminded of the Gentlemen in Buffy when one sees the hands of blue men in Ariel and these 2 men ( I think they are blue hands) in the movie.)


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Friday, November 24, 2006 3:42 PM

THEONETRUEBIX


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
...and these 2 men ( I think they are blue hands)...



Except for the part where they aren't, of course.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:36 PM

LIVLASS


Quote:

Originally posted by GWEK:
Raed the comic (Serenity: Those Left Behind). It's basically the first season finale, and wraps up the Hands of Blue storyline, to some extent.

As has already been pointed out, the intention in the series was that there were MANY HoBs, and that they were troubleshooters for Blue Sun. Blue Sun was pretty much expunged from the movie to streamline things.

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and would you enlighten those of us who don't have the comic?

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Friday, November 24, 2006 5:48 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:


(is it just me or is one reminded of the Gentlemen in Buffy when one sees the hands of blue men in Ariel and these 2 men ( I think they are blue hands) in the movie.)




Played by at least one of the same actors. But different ones in Serenity.

Noticin' stuff Chrisisall

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Friday, November 24, 2006 8:32 PM

GWEK


Quote:

Originally posted by livlass:
Quote:

Originally posted by GWEK:
Raed the comic (Serenity: Those Left Behind). It's basically the first season finale, and wraps up the Hands of Blue storyline, to some extent.

As has already been pointed out, the intention in the series was that there were MANY HoBs, and that they were troubleshooters for Blue Sun. Blue Sun was pretty much expunged from the movie to streamline things.

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."



Head over to www.stillflying.net and check out episode 1x22...

and would you enlighten those of us who don't have the comic?



www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

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Friday, November 24, 2006 8:56 PM

ROCKETJOCK


Quote:

Originally posted by livlass:
Quote:

Originally posted by GWEK:
Raed the comic (Serenity: Those Left Behind). It's basically the first season finale, and wraps up the Hands of Blue storyline, to some extent.

As has already been pointed out, the intention in the series was that there were MANY HoBs, and that they were troubleshooters for Blue Sun. Blue Sun was pretty much expunged from the movie to streamline things.

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."



and would you enlighten those of us who don't have the comic?



Sure, why not?

Select to view spoiler:


In the comic story, the two hands-of-blue we know from the series make a forced boarding of Serentity; they are forced back into their ship, but not before we see one of them with his shirt off. The skin-tight blues are not just gloves, but a full body suit, possibly some kind of bio-armor. This possibly explains their immunity to their own weapons.

If they are indeed trouble-shooters for Blue Sun they are probably only outfitted with the body suits on a "need-to-have" basis, which monitor duty at the academy didn't qualify for.

As for their fate--Wash blows 'em up real good with a hard burn at point-blank range; the last we see of them, they are badly-charred skeletons floating in hard vacuum.

Incidentally, in an epilogue, they are described to The Operative as "Independent Contractors". This is probably a technical truth, as Blue Sun isn't part of the Alliance government any more than Halliburton is part of the U.S. government. And probably no less.



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Saturday, November 25, 2006 5:46 AM

WHOISRIVER


RocketJock speaks the truth.

There's another set of SERENITY comics due out, probably this year (but it might slip to next) which deals with another thing from the 'verse.

Select to view spoiler:



I think it's Jubal Early's fate, but could be wrong.


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Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:26 PM

LIVLASS


and would you enlighten those of us who don't have the comic?
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Sure, why not?

thank you.

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Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:25 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Oooooh, I would like to see Jubal again! Not that it will be the same, but hey, anything we can get, right?


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