joss on tv tonight 23 feb (UK) by Moominpappa

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joss on tv tonight 23 feb (UK)

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:37 AM

Joss is a guest tonight on topical debate show The last word on more4 at 23.05. I just saw an advert for it.
Seems strange?

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:01 PM

MEGMAC

I just saw that advert too. I suppose it's part of promotion for the Serenity DVD release.

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:03 PM

NWUKSTEVE

I just checked the info for this on Sky and got "Program synopsis not available". Bugger! I'll check it out though, just in case. Thanks for the heads-up if it's true.

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:17 PM

DARKJESTER

Any chance of anyone capturing it for us here in the States? Please.....?

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:42 PM

HUMBUG

I'll record it on sky+ (that the uk equivalent of tivo) and then maybe make a best bits recording!!

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:44 PM

MOOMINPAPPA

i thought joss came off quite well.
I don't like the guy who's been presenting it all week, i think he came out with some really conservative family values nonsense, and brian sewell's just a dinosaur.
interesting show as always though.

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:24 PM

NERVOUSPETE

Quote:
Originally posted by Moominpappa:
i thought joss came off quite well.
I don't like the guy who's been presenting it all week, i think he came out with some really conservative family values nonsense, and brian sewell's just a dinosaur.
interesting show as always though.

That's actually a cunning standard tactic in regular Brit TV. You never get a neutral in the big chair, you get somebody who will provoke an emotional reaction in the guest to draw them out. Not in a Howard Stern sort of way, the Brit way instead is to have a slightly aloof, condescending, easily confused bumbler.

Step up to the plate Boris Johnson, eh?

This particular old, rummy gent was amiable though. I don't think he believed in half the things he said either. Curiously he did seem rather keen on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, asking Joss repeated questions about her - even when they were completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. He also got the bank heist clip of Serenity shown!

The topics were: (All dialogue paraphrased from memory, but pretty accurate)

Flirting/sexual harrassment at work. (This is where the Buffy question came in. "Does Buffy flirt to further her career?)

Joss: No. Because her career is to stake vampires through the heart, there isn't really any career progression.

Entertaingly cute outspoken Natalie (a journalist, can't remember her second name) next to him playfully flirted a couple of times with Joss, saying he was lovely. Joss's puppydog pleased yet embarrassed reaction was a joy to behold. (She had some very interesting points to make too, as good as Joss's too, actually. But this is about Joss, so I shall pass over them, heartlessly)

Host: Do you believe Buffy to be a role model?

Joss: In a sense, because she's powerful and strong and determined and quite the heroine. But she also makes completely terrible decisions in her personal life, so we use that to strip away her armour and reveal the negative emotions and the fears and insecurities in people.

Another topic was bank-robbery. Whether people should stop subscribing to the glamour myth in film and history as to 'great heists' and recognise what they are - brutal thuggery. This was where the host showed the bank heist Serenity clip and asked Joss to explain if this meant he thought there was glamour in it.

Joss said he thought there was only glamour in story, and that to be responsible you had to show consequences and that he always did so. He spoke of Goodfellas as an example of this. He said that the moment you put a gun in a man, woman or child's face for material gain (the woman and child thing was one of the recent disturbing Brit heist examples) you have put yourself beyond the pale and cannot be thought of as a hero. Joss then explained that Serenity was a tale of redemption, that although it started as a heist movie it develops into a war movie and at the end everybody is a better person for their ordeal. (Bit simplified, but let Joss talk about all the existentialism, philosophy, debate and politics behind his work and you'd have a talk show stretching 284 hours long)

I really hated Brian Sewell, the old snooty newspaper columnist. He had a horrible superiority, squinted maliciously as he spoke and was unwantonly confrontational. The host had to head off an arguement between Joss and him on the subject of art and accessibility to the public - Natalie clearly in Joss's camp...

... and giving a couple of flirty looks while delivering neat arguements. Hmm.

Joss laughed surprisedly when the 70+ year old host asked him if people still paid attention to the 'Hays Code' (comic, book and film code of the 50's which stated that crime could never pay) and asked him if he had seen films lately.

At the very end of the art debate, and the show:

Host: ...or I could be wrong. Are works of art bought by private collectors in the US as well, hoarded in private manors? You do well for yourself, do you horde art as well?

Joss: (self-deprecatingly) All my framed works of art are from comic books.

Hope you enjoyed my recollection - though I was drinking whiskey so may be fuzzy on the details! But Joss came off very well, as did the lady - only Brian Sewell was obviously the snobby prig. And I speak that in a 'completely obvious to everyone' way, this isn't a fanboy speaking.

Cheers!

Nervous Pete

"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
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Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:47 PM

NWUKSTEVE

I've now watched it, so thanks again to MOOMINPAPPA for the heads-up.

And I have to say the summary by NERVOUSPETE is pretty darn accurate. Though I think the female guest (who was very entertaining) was by far the biggest Buffy fan. I got the impression that the host hadn't really seen it but had been given a couple of facts to try and use to bring Joss into the proceedings.

BTW, Joss was also on Simon Mayo's show on radio 5 (apparently available on BBC's website but I used a direct link from Whedonesque).

So does anyone know what other shows Joss might be appearing on to promote the UK DVD release?

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:17 PM

MOOMINPAPPA

i agree with you pete... the thing that the host said about glorifying robbery (like he'd been briefed on serenity) was a sensationalist kneejerk reaction to the news of the recent warehouse robbery... i watch the last word regularly... that presenter is the most subjective i've seen... personally i like it when Hardeep Singh Koli or David Mitchell presents it.
All week the guy has been "playing devils advocate" which is code for the opinion of "'the sun' readers".
When brian sewwell thinks he's losing an arguement (and i've seen him do this many times) he brings up an historical arguement that only he is an expert in, and which no-one else can argue confidently about. He believes when someone says "i don't know about that particular thing that you just bought up" that he has won the arguement", Because most of his opinions aren't relevant anymore. He's a dinosaur... seriously.... imagine a Brontosaurus sipping earl grey saying "how do you imagine the medici family influenced capitalist society?".
anyway... rock on Joss.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:50 AM

WEREALLJUSTFLOATING

Would anyone be able to provide the video of this interview? Or direct me somewhere else where I can watch/download it? I don't have More4 but would love to have seen it. Thanks.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:58 AM

WEREALLJUSTFLOATING

Never mind,crisis averted! I found a link to it over at the UK board:)

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Friday, February 24, 2006 7:01 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

NervousPete

Just wanted to say thanks for that breakdown of the show and Joss' part in it. You were very conscise, and even though I didn't see a minute of it I feel as though I have a clear account of what happened. So many thanks.

Knowing TV these days it'll no doubt be repeated, so I may yet have the chance to catch it. However until then what you've written does the job perfectly.

Thanks again for taking the time to write.

Cheers

The Somnambulist

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Friday, February 24, 2006 8:19 AM

TEA0COSY

I missed it but I think the person presenting it this week was Boris Johnson's father, he does it sometimes.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 12:09 PM

HERA

Hello there Werealljustfloating, can you post where it was you found the video? Would love to watch it. I checked the channel4 website, but it's not up yet.

You had mentioned a "UK board?"

Thanks in advance . . .

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:36 PM

WEREALLJUSTFLOATING

http://forum.cantstopthesignal.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1128

Scroll down to the third last post.

Hope Gossi doesn't mind me linking to it.

It's well worth a look if your interested in Joss' opinion on sexual harrassment in the workforce, whether art should only be displayed in it's country of origin, and the morality of robbing banks. The woman in the middle seems to be a big Joss fan, but the other two don't seem to quite get him... I could be wrong, but that's just my impression of it. Hope you enjoy, I know I did.

We're still flying.

That's not much.

It's enough.

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Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:23 AM

RIVERTAMKICKSASS03

think i remeber something about being on t4 sunday or something as well, prob will do a few more spots for release

you never know Jonathan Ross hates Star Wars prequals so may try and get Joss on film 2006 to help make comparrisons

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Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:09 PM

AZTECHROME

US Fan.

I'd like to see this.
Wish it would pop up for us American fans over here.

It's funny Jewel spends alot of time giving time and interviews over there. I live in southern CA, and the cast is rarely here except for cons.

They must like bread pudding :)

(j/k)

But seriously, Joss usually comes over well. I'd like to see this.

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:31 AM

NWUKSTEVE

Serenity was reviewed on The Cinema Show on BBC 4 last night (sat). I missed it, but it's repeated on friday at 20:30 then again at 02:35.

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Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:01 AM

FAKESOUNDOFPROGRESS

Joss was on T4 as the Sci Fi guy. I didn't get to see it though I was at work. I taped it I just need to get round to watching it.

The Moment of the Rose and the Moment of the Yew Tree are of equal duration

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