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Joss' word on the CW rumors

POSTED BY: CABRIDGES
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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:33 PM

CABRIDGES


Just posted by fearless leader at the Whedonesque boards ( http://whedonesque.com/comments/9548):

Quote:

Abusing links is the only way I know how to live. But I am here with a purpose, my friends. Call me joss Whedon: Rumor Crusher! (Or "Mister Fendendo", if we're being intimate.)

Since everyone's all abuzz with the CW rumor, I have to get all official and say: WE'VE STARTED FILMING NEW EPISODES! Of Dateline. I'm such a troll.

No, there haven't been any overtures from the CW as regards a SereniFly spin-off. I haven't even heard the orchestra tuning up. But if they happen to come calling, I do know what I would do:

1) In order to keep the show cost efficient, we would get rid of a few things we don't need, like spaceships, floors, and Jewel. (You thought I was gonna say 'costumes', didn't you? Porn guy.)

2) Nathan is busy making movies, but since I don't want new cast members, everybody in the cast would just move over one. Jewel (she's back!) would play Mal, Ron would play Kaylee, Morena would play Book, and so on.

3) People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy.

4) The actors can make up their dialogue. I'm bushed, and they're all funny, and the hell with it. Maybe I'll give them a premise to work off of, like "You're all in trouble" or "Wash has a thing". They could maybe light it too.

5) Klingons, but not alien Klingons. But still Klingons.

So already the show is running like a well oiled companion. I'm just proud to be a part of the Country Western network, and I know this will be their biggest hit since "Have Space-Gun, Will Travel."

I hope, as always, this clears things up. And I hope the executives at the Carnie Wilson network DO give me a call. I've got a million ideas for redoing their offices.

Power to the people who are powerful enough to crush the other people! -jossy.



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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:41 PM

TRIO


I admit to being new to Joss..but I have read all the articles/threads/people drinking too much hate-orade so i know what is out there...but...having read that...

does he WANT to do this again? That post is hard to read....God I want this show back...

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:46 PM

GRIZWALD


If there WERE overtures he would never tell us. That'd be a deal-killer fer sher.

Think about corporate mergers: Anybody who finds out about it in advance and blabs gets fired, anybody who acts on that info gets thrown in jail for insider trading, and the poor stiffs who work for either company had just keep scratchin out their 9-to-5s until they hear it on CNN. If we hear it, it prolly ain't true.

In other words, Joss is havin fun with us... but only time will tell.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:51 PM

TRIO


Probably true, probably true...but why say anything at all if that is the case?

I fall in the category with most of us I guess...I cling to every slightly miniscule piece of good news hoping it is "the one"...

I am the Morpheus of firefly....maybe i can go to dinner with gina and lawrence...

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:51 PM

GROOSALUGG


Quote:

Originally posted by trio:
I admit to being new to Joss..but I have read all the articles/threads/people drinking too much hate-orade so i know what is out there...but...having read that...

does he WANT to do this again? That post is hard to read....God I want this show back...



That's just Joss being Joss. That man couldn't write a serious post if his life depended on it.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:02 PM

KANGER33


Well good on him for getting in there and debunking that rumor quickly. Now I don't have to wonder anymore. I didn't think it was true, but I did have a tiny glimmer of hope. *sigh*

As for the, "He's not allowed to tell us if something really is being talked about" stance, my thinking is that he would just refrain from commenting were that the case. I seriously doubt he would lie about it. Stupid rumors. *grumble*

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:04 PM

GUTTERBALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Groosalugg:
That's just Joss being Joss. That man couldn't write a serious post if his life depended on it.


And if he did post because his life depended on it, I'm sure he would say something like, "Ask for me tomorrow, and you'll find me a grave man."

*hopes no one guesses she's an English major*

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:06 PM

KAELE


I say flame that rumor-wench.

Seriously.

No. I swear, for once I'm being serious.

Ok, no I'm not. But I do say we should have some strong words for her. Ooooo...does she know what she'll get if she gets all these Browncoats ticked off?

Kaele
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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:09 PM

KAELE


BTW:

Anyone else getting the STRONG feeling that he's awfully possessive of this show?

Why else defend it so quickly, making sure we know right from wrong. Albeit in Joss-speak, but still...

Kaele
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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:15 PM

DINKY


Disappointing =/.

"Th3re !s n0 spo0Ne." -The Matricks

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:16 PM

NDRAGE85


did anyone else like the premise of "Wash has a thing"?

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:26 PM

GARBAGECANMUSIC


Although his posts make me laugh hard enough to fall out of my chair (and this one did), it also crushes my hopes....ruthlessly crushes my hopes...

damn it all...

How much is that little Geisha in the window?

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:27 PM

ANASAZI


And once again my dreams are dashed. At least today had been filled with flirty hope-hope.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:55 PM

TEETHGRINDER


I think this is all my fault. Everything that I've ever rooted for or been a fan of ( EXCEPT forthe 2004 Detroit Pistons--YEAH!!!) has been on the loosing side. 31 years and counting. Sigh.....


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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:01 PM

ETHAN


Curses! Saffroned again!

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:11 PM

THEOPERATIVE2005


See, this is why you should never get your hopes up to begin with. We all love Firefly, but I think it's become pretty evident that there's not going to be a continuation of this show in any kind of television or movie realm. The sooner you all understand that, the sooner you can allow the healing process to begin.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:31 PM

LAX01


Even with disappointing news, he's still hilarious

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:34 PM

SCYTHE404


Come on guys. Use your heads.

If you pay attention you'll see that for the purposes of legal and "dont put your foot in your mouth" practices, producers and actors will often say and maintain certain points of interest up until the exact second in which something is down on paper. Don't put too much stock in any one thing.

If someone saw them come out of that building, and there are whispers, no matter what the cast themselves say, it is a good sign. Of course they can't say anything; there's obligations. But the press can. And since this isn't exactly Star Wars Episode IX, i can't see this being started for the purposes of mainstream attention. Don't get your hopes up, but don't ye despair yet, either.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 PM

FOLLOWMAL



I refuse to lose hope that our beloved show will return in either a show or a movie.

I will wait until Joss says in a post, that the calvary has ridden in and we are getting a sequel or a new series, or a mini-series or a direct to DVD movie. I'm holdin'.

And I'll probably get my hopes up again and have them dashed again, but that's ok. I'm not gonna stop loving this show and characters and I'm not going anywhere.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:38 PM

SIMONF


Later on in the thread, Joss says he was getting calls from people's agents about the rumour.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/9548#110266

Quote:

Okay, now I'm miffed. I posted because we were literally getting calls from people's agents, so I had to officially speak up and I chose this forum and everybody accuses me of procrastinating when I wasn't even! (I was reading a book.) So quit picking on me, didn't you hear I had my license to write revoked by that angry comics guy? I'm very vulnerable right now.

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CatWoman
Cal Worthington
Candy Wrapper
Chuck Woolery...

Nope. Can't top Crack Whore.


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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:13 PM

CHOLLETT


"...A well-oiled companion....."

...erm...i just got an uncalled for mental pic...

..erm...

Yep. I wonder if they serve keish in the Special Hell?

Anyhow, disappointing as it is, it's still nice to hear from Joss Himself.

I'm babbling like a moonbrain.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:11 AM

NUCLEARDAY


Quote:

Originally posted by FollowMal:

I refuse to lose hope that our beloved show will return in either a show or a movie.

I will wait until Joss says in a post, that the calvary has ridden in and we are getting a sequel or a new series, or a mini-series or a direct to DVD movie. I'm holdin'.

And I'll probably get my hopes up again and have them dashed again, but that's ok. I'm not gonna stop loving this show and characters and I'm not going anywhere.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal



Yep, that sounds like my kind of stupid ;p

I don't care if I'm old and decrepid, aliens come and take over and destroy all our tv's, or hell freezes over first... I won't care if I have to wait to be a hundred and fifty and all they can get is Mal's left buttock on a stool playing the first three bars of the theme song. :P

You can take my hope when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:12 AM

GRIMJACK21502


Quote:

Originally posted by Scythe404:
Come on guys. Use your heads.

If you pay attention you'll see that for the purposes of legal and "dont put your foot in your mouth" practices, producers and actors will often say and maintain certain points of interest up until the exact second in which something is down on paper. Don't put too much stock in any one thing.

If someone saw them come out of that building, and there are whispers, no matter what the cast themselves say, it is a good sign. Of course they can't say anything; there's obligations. But the press can. And since this isn't exactly Star Wars Episode IX, i can't see this being started for the purposes of mainstream attention. Don't get your hopes up, but don't ye despair yet, either.





Definitely my opinion...lest we all forget Joss rambled similar inneuendo before he could officially announce the BDM. For me this is almost as good as Joss saying the series has returned. The CW must be careful not to announce their Fall lineup too prematurely.

While I don't think it is a done deal that the series is returning, I mentioned on another thread that a mini-series would allow the CW to gauge potential series interest, and I think that is the route they will take.

We need a Joss to Reality dicitionary...or a decoder ring (that would be cool)...notice he never says "we aren't coming back," he debunks a "Firefly spin-off" not Firefly/Serenity nor does he mention the CW by its correct name...semantics.

Just Believe.

We will hold...we hold till Mal gets back...wait do you see that on the horizon?

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:13 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Saw that comin'.

Glad Joss posted w/ the whole "official" word on the CW rumor. Figured it was bunk.

Keep the faith & keep flyin' browncoats. We just need to keep pushing that shiny Serenity DVD & convert more new people. Just got to have patience (just make sure you don't turn your back on her )

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:14 AM

DISKA


even though i tried not to get excited as i knew it wasnt really true i still feel squashed like a bug.

however joss has a way of telling us bad things and making it so damned funny that it softens the blow.

im refraining from reading too much into his words on the matter as they just casue arguments.

"Dear diary: Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy. Today we were kidnapped by hill folk, never to be seen again. It was the best day ever."

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:32 AM

KAELE


Hey, lookit! We're mentioned places other than our little corner of the 'verse:

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20060215_whedon_on_those_firefly_rumour.
html


http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22474

Sometimes it's hard being a Browncoat.

Kaele
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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:46 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kaele:
Sometimes it's hard being a Browncoat.





Reckon that's so, but I wouldn't trade being a browncoat for nothin' in the 'verse. It's been a bumpy ride for years now, but I would do it all again. I found this wonderful show, a great movie, and a great bunch of people here @ FFF.net.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:53 AM

ANA


While of course I'm disappointed that Joss didn't come right out and say that they were deep in negotiations about another season of Firefly, I'm not really surprised. CW's a brand-new station, and taking on Firefly is a financially risky option. That does NOT mean, however, that they won't do so at some point.

I'm looking at it this way: actions speak much louder than words, and thus far there have been quite a few words bandied about, most of them vague. So what? It's called deniability. The action that sparked all this brou-haha was three of our favorite actors strolling out of the CW offices. They were there for a reason. Now, whether we're all making Mount Everest out of a mini-mole hill (definitely a possibility), or CW actually was making noises about possibly making an overture to maybe bring Firefly back, I don't know, nor does anyone, except people who can't talk as long as they value their jobs.

Until I hear a flat-out denial of any further episodes whatsoever, until Joss tells us to hang up our brown coats and stop running ourselves ragged in an effort to recruit more folks to The Cause, I am just going to remain a naive, optimistic fool. To quote a previous poster: "They can have my hope when they pry it out of my cold, dead fingers." Amen.

Bring on the naysayers then! I can take 'em...



"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another which states that this has already happened." - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:03 AM

TINFOIL


At this point, I think there's only one thing left to do... Kidnap Joss and the entire Firefly crew, forcing Joss to make endless phone calls until he gets back on TV and forcing the crew to act out fan scripts until the end of time. I've got some very strong rope we can use!

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:47 AM

NELLIE


Joss is so clever and funny! It's wonderful reading his posts, even if they contain bad news. Or seem to contain it. Thanks for that, CABridges!

He must have to be so careful about what he says that he has to write like that to protect himself and the cast and everything.

You know, somehow just hearing from him is encouraging, and I think everything's going to work out just fine in the end.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:24 AM

TINHAWK


How do we know this is realy him?

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:26 AM

OLDFOGEY


Quote:

Originally posted by TinFoil:
At this point, I think there's only one thing left to do... Kidnap Joss and the entire Firefly crew, forcing Joss to make endless phone calls until he gets back on TV and forcing the crew to act out fan scripts until the end of time. I've got some very strong rope we can use!



Works for me.
(practicing cool rope tricks - ties slip knot,
twirls rope over head in a nifty sort of cowgirl-y
way, yells "HA!" and lassos filing cabinet with
real style)

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:37 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by FollowMal:
And I'll probably get my hopes up again and have them dashed again, but that's ok. I'm not gonna stop loving this show and characters and I'm not going anywhere.

I'm with FollowMal and Nuclearday. I'm not so scared of losing hope that I'm not gonna try having it.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:44 AM

ZEEK


Knew the rumors were too good to be true. I doubt all our dreams are going to come true so perfectly just out of the blue.

At least we all got a nice image of a well oiled companion.

And for those who think joss is just playing with his words so that he isn't really denying anything, I think that's a little delusional. This is just how joss posts. Plus I don't think people usually like to refer to the network they're doing business with as Crack Whore network (later in the thread).

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:48 AM

CARTOON


I like the Browncoat attitude -- "it still may happen".

It may or may not. I have no clue. I don't even know what I'm doing today, much less Joss Whedon.

However, I hope we don't turn into the likes of the Beatles fans who are still hoping for a Beatles reunion, even though half of the band is dead.

There will come a point when it would be silly to keep hoping, but that point hasn't arrived yet.

So, until then, we should remain positive, do our part (without stalking the actual cast & crew, of course), and hope for the best.


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:05 AM

CHRISPV


Hey now, stalking is a very important weapon in the Browncoat arsenal. Let's not throw anything out just yet, eh?

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:26 AM

DERANGEDMILK


Quote:

Originally posted by ndrage85:
did anyone else like the premise of "Wash has a thing"?



Yea, it cracked me up. Very seinfield.
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:46 AM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Quote:

Originally posted by ndrage85:
did anyone else like the premise of "Wash has a thing"?



Yea, it cracked me up. Very seinfield.



Looks like a thing to me.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:13 AM

GLOBLABSURDITY


I think perhaps he is saying that even if he's given the ok to do the show again. Why go through all the angst again? He's tired of all the crap he has to take from all the higher ups and their opinions of where he wants to take his own program. They step right in and take over and tell him what he can and can't do--and then there are actors that want to input their say on dialouge, etc. It must be truly exhausting. Perhaps it's not as bad when it comes down to the big screen. Even if he's given a green light to small screen--he may not want to go that route again--and who can blame him. He's had a taste of more creative control on the big screen. It would be a director's dream. The show was his baby and was manipulated and then nixed. He's most likely still a bit pissed about it. I'm betting on seeing a new installment on an HBO, Cinemax, etc--or theatrical release. Just my opinion. Just reading between the lines of his comments here.

*Never judge a book by it's movie*
*The heart is an artist that paints over what profoundly disturbs it, leaving on the canvas a less dark,less sharp version of the truth*--D.Koontz (Forever Odd)

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:21 AM

KAELE


Wait. I thought our thing was harrassment? You know, like the whole mass mailing thing. Letters, phone calls, magazine ads. Well, that and virus marketing.

Man, now I gotta go out and get some stalking gear.

Work. Work. Work.

Kaele
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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:27 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by globlabsurdity:
I think perhaps he is saying that even if he's given the ok to do the show again. Why go through all the angst again?



I read it as more along the lines of "I'll only do the show if the proper resources are in place and I have doubts as to CW having the willingness to provide those resources." Maybe I'm wrong and I hate to put words into another persons mouth (particularly puting words into the mouth of somebody who is much better at words than I am) but that's the vibe I'm taking away from this.

And hey there is still good news. We will be getting more comics and there still is hope for a Serenity sequel of some form. Sure I'd prefer a new series, TV is Firefly's native medium after all, but movies are fun to watch as well.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:10 AM

SADLITTLEKING


Quote:

Originally posted by teethgrinder:
I think this is all my fault. Everything that I've ever rooted for or been a fan of ( EXCEPT forthe 2004 Detroit Pistons--YEAH!!!) has been on the loosing side. 31 years and counting. Sigh.....




No, it's my fault. I'm a Raiders fan. No head coach will touch us, not even one who is DESPERATE to get a head coaching job in the NFL. We can't do anything right. We even took Randy Moss from superstar to superlame. We screw everything up. Just lose, baby.

Anyway, I enjoy reading posts from Joss. He's really funny and he has a talent for telling us the bad news in a good way.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:18 AM

GABI


He said on the commentary in the DVD that he liked the small screen as well as the big...

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:19 AM

ISAACSHEPHERD


Hello All,
Here's my take on this. Instead of being down in the dumps our rumor was smashed why don't we keep doing what we are doing to push for more Firefly/Serenity? No point in fretting over what we can't control. But maybe we should be flooding CW with e-mails and letters to let them know we are loyal to the show and will do what we can to get more Firefly. The fanbase is still growing, and it seems whoever watches it for the first time becomes addicted for life. In the mean time, gather more fans, buy the dvd's and keep spreading the word to everyone you know. I think there is hope, we just need to be patient and never give up!
IS

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:35 AM

OLDFOGEY


Quote:

Originally posted by IsaacShepherd:
No point in fretting over what we can't control

But maybe we should be flooding CW with e-mails and letters to let them know we are loyal to the show and will do what we can to get more Firefly.



(fret, fret, fret...)
Lifted this from another thread "How to Contact
CW" posted by BARCLAY:

Dawn Ostraff
UPN
11800 Wilshire Blvd
Los Angeles, California 90025

Anyone else who can't give up, just can't, write
to this person. I intend to beg shamelessly - but
politely of course.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:35 AM

BROWNCOATRECRUITER


Just Believe.

We will hold...we hold till Mal gets back...wait do you see that on the horizon?

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young



I'm new here, but I have to agree with GrimJack in regards to Joss's post. Belief is our strongest ally. From everything I know, it was the belief of the fans that got us a movie and has kept this, our beloved 'verse, spinning.

I believe.

However, while our belief in continuation may, quite possibly, never be realized, we need not believe but rather KNOW that the SereniFly 'verse has become too powerful to just fade away without a word. As GrimJack said, we hold. We hold until they get back.

"...there's a whole universe of folk who are gonna know it too. They're gonna see it. Somebody has to speak for these people." -Mal

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:36 AM

LAX01


Guys, if you're on DIGG, digg my story on Joss Whedon's commnets...people always post Firefly related stuff on there

http://digg.com/movies/Joss_Whedon_debunks_CW_rumors_of_Firefly_Season
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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:18 AM

ZEEK


I like the idea of begging and all, but how about a more devious route? I think we should write to them and say how happy we are that they chose to revive Firefly. Saying we are now their biggest fans and we can't wait for their network to hit our tvs so we can tune in and throw out or remotes because we'll never need to change the channel again.

It's much easier to say no to a begging request than to tell someone that they're wrong about watching their channel.

"No, you're mistaken. You shouldn't watch our network, because we didn't pick up Firefly. Sorry about the misunderstanding."

No one wants to say that.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:22 AM

GLOBLABSURDITY


I've seen the commentary--yes, he did say that. I've also read alot of comments he's made in interviews about what he went through during the making of Firefly. It was a struggle for him to tell his story his way. Creative control was not entirely in his hands--I'm not a writer--but I can tell you that I'd be LIVID if I'd have to deal with what he's had to deal with. Also, when I say 'perhaps' in regards to Joss--I'm not putting words in his mouth--that's why the 'perhaps' is there. It's to bring out the hypothetical aspect to the thought I'm presenting--or just the thought that's coming out of my @ss--however anyone wants to take it--lol.
For the record--I want as badly as the rest of you to see our show back on the little screen. I'm just trying to see things from what might 'perhaps' be Joss' point of view having to deal with all the politics of hollywood--from having read his own comments.
Cheers.

*Never judge a book by it's movie*
*The heart is an artist that paints over what profoundly disturbs it, leaving on the canvas a less dark,less sharp version of the truth*--D.Koontz (Forever Odd)

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:24 AM

NUCLEARDAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
I like the idea of begging and all, but how about a more devious route? I think we should write to them and say how happy we are that they chose to revive Firefly. Saying we are now their biggest fans and we can't wait for their network to hit our tvs so we can tune in and throw out or remotes because we'll never need to change the channel again.



LMAO! That is truly a grand and devious idea! *snerk* And like all the best evil plans, you can always claim total ignorance and blame it on Kristen's rumours ;p I can't really see a worst-case scenario there...

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