Serenity vs. Chronicles of Riddick by harshcritic

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Serenity vs. Chronicles of Riddick

POSTED BY: HARSHCRITIC
UPDATED: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:49
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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:36 PM

I just found out that Chronicles of Riddick will become a trilogy. Yes, there will be 2 more movies in this franchise!

Remebering it being a disappointement, I decided to look up its stats on box office mojo. With production and marketing, the movie cost $140 mil. It earned $115 mil totaled worldewide; thus, it was -$25 mil in the hole before it was released on dvd.

I then did a search to find out how many dvds it sold. I still don't know. However, I found an article that said much like Serenity the dvd sales would determine its fate. I assume the dvd sales must have been satifactory for the studio to release 2 more films. But, it was not in the top 20 for dvd sales in 2004.

The studio responsible is ..wait for it... UNIVERSAL!!

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:38 PM

CAUSAL

Huh.

Well, I guess that's not the worst news ever.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:43 PM

HARSHCRITIC

The only thing is I wish I knew exactly how many dvds did it sell in order to do this.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:46 PM

ETHAN

The Chronicles of Riddick. I'll say it again, the Chronicles..of...Riddick.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:46 PM

CAUSAL

Well, for heaven's sake...we must have a bigger base than Riddick! Man...when Joss said to hold the valley, I had no idea it was gonna be like this...I mean, we're not down to eating grenade-apples, but still. God.

All we can do, I guess, is hold. Come on, Browncoats! Hold!!

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:59 PM

NDRAGE85

Despite what the critics said, i enjoyed Riddick. sure it wasn't great, but i admired the fact that it was the first Sci-Fi movie in a long time that actually attempted to create a whole seperate and distinct universe. It was no Firefly 'verse, but i admired its ambition. i think that was also one of its faults, unfortunately for the minds responsible. as far as how many DVDs it sold, I don't know exact numbers, but i do remember the talks about how its fate would be determined by how well they sold. if they are indeed going forward with the trilogy, I am happy. 1.) I enjoyed the first movie, it's about the only Vin Diesel movie that I enjoyed. 2.) It gives me more hope for our Serenity sequal. especially since Serenity had a much smaller budget and was about 100 times better. I'm hoping to pick up some more fans this week. i'll be screening the BDM at my place on the 52-inch for a couple of virgins to the 'verse.

also, where is this news about Universal going forth with the next Riddick?

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:40 PM

Crap, I wish that it wouldnt have to go like this. People, you better stand up for this movie and buy, buy, buy! Yeah, this is some pretty bad news!

KC

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:45 PM

ORPHEUS

Well, Vin Diesel always intended Chronicles of Riddick to be a trilogy. So I guess the movie made just enough money to warrant sequels. Keep in mind that they've had a couple years to get enough cash from dvds.

I too enjoyed it, but it's no Pitch Black.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:47 PM

GUNRUNNER

Does that mean that there will be two more movies or just one? Isn't 'Pitch Black' the 1st movie of the series?

Anyways isn't Riddick already in charge of an evil army of darkness (although its a fairly lame and under equipped army in history of armies). :disappointed: Where do you go from that plot twist? Hopefully he tries to conquer the universe only to be stomped out of existence by the 1st Alliance like system wide government with a decent aerospace force they encounter. :evil:

You know I might even pay to see that guy fail and die... :biggrin:

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:58 PM

LAX01

Quote:
Originally posted by ndrage85: Despite what the critics said, i enjoyed Riddick. sure it wasn't great, but i admired the fact that it was the first Sci-Fi movie in a long time that actually attempted to create a whole seperate and distinct universe. It was no Firefly 'verse, but i admired its ambition. i think that was also one of its faults, unfortunately for the minds responsible. as far as how many DVDs it sold, I don't know exact numbers, but i do remember the talks about how its fate would be determined by how well they sold. if they are indeed going forward with the trilogy, I am happy. 1.) I enjoyed the first movie, it's about the only Vin Diesel movie that I enjoyed. 2.) It gives me more hope for our Serenity sequal. especially since Serenity had a much smaller budget and was about 100 times better. I'm hoping to pick up some more fans this week. i'll be screening the BDM at my place on the 52-inch for a couple of virgins to the 'verse.

also, where is this news about Universal going forth with the next Riddick?

yeah I gotta 2nd that...well its not QUITE as good as the Firefly verse, the universe David Twohy created was pretty interesting...I really can't wait to see what Twohy comes up with in the Underverse...

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:02 PM

AAHHAAA

Then, there's the quasi-religous component in both stories... & in today's atmo that would keep some types away in droves. Science, even science fiction, and religion don't seem to be getting along too well lately; and imho, its not Science that's being intolerant.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:59 PM

GUNRUNNER

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Originally posted by aahhaaa: Then, there's the quasi-religous component in both stories... & in today's atmo that would keep some types away in droves. Science, even science fiction, and religion don't seem to be getting along too well lately; and imho, its not Science that's being intolerant.

SF and Religion not getting along? Battlestar Galatica, Stargate SG-1 Season 9 and DS9 all come to mind. Each seemed to openly debate the whole Science Vs. Religion thing.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:29 PM

GIANTEVILHEAD

If DS9 was being made today, it would be canceled. It dealt with so many things that we're more sensitive about today. The first officer is a terrorist. There was the backdrop of a planet of spiritual people who were brutally oppressed. Preemptive wars against perceived threats. People’s way of life being changed by terrorism. Soldiers who are completely and unquestioningly devoted to their beliefs. An attempted coup to remove a democratic government. Exploration of social taboos. There would have been so much controversy and it could not have possibly made it past the second season if it was being made today.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:38 PM

IHEARTWASH

I fell asleep during Riddick. 'Nuff said.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:55 AM

ANDRE83

Quote:
Originally posted by harshcritic: I just found out that Chronicles of Riddick will become a trilogy. Yes, there will be 2 more movies in this franchise!

Remebering it being a disappointement, I decided to look up its stats on box office mojo. With production and marketing, the movie cost $140 mil. It earned $115 mil totaled worldewide; thus, it was -$25 mil in the hole before it was released on dvd.

I then did a search to find out how many dvds it sold. I still don't know. However, I found an article that said much like Serenity the dvd sales would determine its fate. I assume the dvd sales must have been satifactory for the studio to release 2 more films. But, it was not in the top 20 for dvd sales in 2004.

The studio responsible is ..wait for it... UNIVERSAL!!

Not to burst your bubble here, but pulling an "Adama" dont gain us anything.

It cost 105 million. Marketing costs aint taken in consideration when determining wheather a movie has made profit or not. So the budget was 105 mill.

In other words it made 10 mill over that. However, it had a bigger net loss then serenity because of the bigger budget (the cinemas etc takes some of the sales income).

It made it to number 1 on dvd, however i'm not sure how long it dwelled there.

About sequals, nope, nothing has been said. So there ain any sequals in the works. Maybe one day, who knows.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:09 AM

RELFEXIVE

Oddly, the best bits of the film (The Ridicules Of Chronic, as a friend of mine calls it) are (mostly) those parts without any Necromungers in it. Those bits were very good. The rest was kinda so-so... but I enjoyed watching it nonetheless. Despite it just being Conan-In-Space.

CoR was always meant to be the first part of a trilogy, as I recall. No sign of any more chapters yet, though.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:09 AM

GIXXER

Why's everyone badmouthing it? Wasn't too bad a film.

The bit with Aslan's death really got me...

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:11 AM

RELFEXIVE

Now there's a crossover that would have to be seen to be believed!

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:36 AM

ORPHEUS

The Chronicles of Riddick: The Lion, The Witch, & The Wardrobe.

I like it. All we need now is Ash and his chainsaw and we'll have the best sci-fi movie ever.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:40 AM

ANDRE83

Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer: Why's everyone badmouthing it? Wasn't too bad a film.

The bit with Aslan's death really got me...

Dumbass....Could have put a spoiler there, seeing as not everyone have read the book. Frak me.

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:12 AM

STILLSHINY

Kill the Riddick!!!!!

I'm sorry but this movie sucked. Yes, sucked. really really sucked. (((shiver))) really sucked. The only reason they are prolly even giving it any due is the name Vin Diesel. People will see a s-u-c-k-y movie because a "star" is in it. And sadly enough this is why they are so hesitant to give "Serenity" it's due. Hollywood wants a name it can push. And in this case, a big name did a big lame, (did I mentioned it sucked) movie.

The BDH's are not Big Names to the everyday movie goer. They are the Biggest Sci-Fi stars hands down. But they are not household names. Yet.

Let's face it if the Chron of Ridd. comes out people will say..."Hey, let's go see that new Vin Diesel movie." I mean even your Grandpa knows who Vin Diesel is. But you still have to explain what that Chinese shield thing is on your T-Shirt, or why you say "Shiny" all the time.

The title of this thread could easily be.

A great Sci-Fi epic VS Another (sucky) Vin-Diesel movie.

my stuff said.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:00 AM

GEEJAKE

There has to be a way to track DVD sales..I will do some research...

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:04 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Wow, some people are really angry. I thought Chronicles of Riddick was a great movie. Not as good as Serenity, but what is?

Mind you, I've heard that the director's cut is way better than the theatrical version. I never got to see it in the theatres, so I don't know, but my cousin saw both versions and says the director's cut is way better. It explains way more stuff.

In short, I hope it gets a sequel. I hope Serenity does too. Sequels for everyone!! And one day our BDHs will be Big Damn Big Names. Hopefully everybody will still like them then. :wink:

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:03 AM

CITIZEN

I didn't think that much of chronicles. It's ok, not great.

Pitch black was fantastic though.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:40 AM

HARSHCRITIC

I not sure if I understand you. Even without marketing, the movie made only a small profit in the theaters. It cost $105 mil and earned $115. So it only made a profit of $10 mil if you don't include marketing.

If you use the same standards to compare Serenity, then it was only -$1 mil lost. (Serenity cost $40 mil and earned $39 mil worldwide.) Usually, when they discuss sequels or even a trilogy, the movie earns a big profit in theaters and I pretty sure they do take into consideration the cost of marketing.

The sequels are: Chronicles of Riddick 2: The Underverse Chronicles of Riddick 3: Return to Furia

Here is a link discussing the sequels: http://www.movieweb.com/news/news.php?id=7121

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:20 AM

NDRAGE85

I too never saw it in theaters. i really liked Pitch Black, but Chronicles seemed so different from PB and was getting horrible reviews. But after seeing it on DVD, i decided i really shouldn't rely on reviews so heavily, because I enjoyed Riddick. the version i saw was the Director's Cut version. I've seen part of the theatrical version on HBO, and yes, the Director's Cut is much better. Explains a lot more and has slightly less cheesy dialogue.

Quote:
Originally posted by queenofthenorth: Wow, some people are really angry. I thought Chronicles of Riddick was a great movie. Not as good as Serenity, but what is?

Mind you, I've heard that the director's cut is way better than the theatrical version. I never got to see it in the theatres, so I don't know, but my cousin saw both versions and says the director's cut is way better. It explains way more stuff.

In short, I hope it gets a sequel. I hope Serenity does too. Sequels for everyone!! And one day our BDHs will be Big Damn Big Names. Hopefully everybody will still like them then. :wink:

"Sir, you actually said 'wink, wink'. I don't think that -" "Oh, you'd be surprised."

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:41 AM

SIRVEC

I tink some of you are missing the shiney part of this. Pitch Black was a good movie but did not do all that well in the theater but do to DVD sales and a growing fan base (odd were have I heard this before:wink:) Universal made a sequel for it. And if you remeber "Vin" was not a big star at the time. At that point all he was know for was the guy who got shot trying to save that French kid in "Saving Private Ryan". So take heart Browncoats if Universal is thinking of greeniighting more Riddick flicks they may take a more kindly look as your and ours. That is id DVD sales are good enough (they are still suits after all)

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:55 AM

RELFEXIVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Andre83: Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer: Why's everyone badmouthing it? Wasn't too bad a film.

The bit with Aslan's death really got me...

Dumbass....Could have put a spoiler there, seeing as not everyone have read the book. Frak me.

Hmm... I'm not sure you can really shout "spoiler" about part of the plot of a book that's been out for fifty years and has been read by millions of children in that time...

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:59 PM

AAHHAAA

If there hasn't been one already, a good thread might be 'Great Lost Scifi Flicks that didn't have a Big Star or Big Promo Budget, but are really kinda Memorable Films.'

here's a couple off the top:

12:01 The Little Navigator Run, Lola, Run Brazil

I'd rather not compare Serenity to Riddick; its more comparable to 5th Element, imho.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:34 PM

J6NGO1977

Brazil. Terry Gilliam. brilliant film and so underated.

Riddick is an OK film but not a patch on Pitch Black. Serenity and Firefly owe a good nod towards Pitch Black with the style of cinematography and direction

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Friday, December 23, 2005 12:49 PM

GIXXER

Great Lost, or lost their way, sci-fi films / franchises.

Terminator. Proper violence as befits the job description. Later ones - Don't kill anybody / sickly sentimentality. Hmmph.

Buckaroo Banzai. But then the heavily mutated sequel, Big Trouble in Little China earns its own place in this list (or it would if it was science fiction).

Mad Max. Newer ones may be faster, but Toecutter's gang's eight-valve bikes were way harder. Sequels a bit camp and falling foul of cute urchin / sensitivity syndrome, and the genius who thought it was a great idea to put Tina Turner on that side of the camera. Future Fox executive material. On the plus side, Virginia Hey was cool even before she went blue.

Escape From New York. Classic case of should-have-done-it-then-left-it-well-alone.

The Matrix. Ditto, although that is a bit big-budget to be legitimately included.

The Last Starfighter. Mrs Furillo and her funny teeth.

Dunk-dunk-dunk-dunk. Dunk-dunk-dunk-dunk. Flash! Ah-Ahhhh... More of that could have been great, and it had that weird Italian look to it. You normally only see that sort of thing in shops that sell those big ornate beds with mind-boggling headboard design ideas, usually in white plastic. With built in lights, chrome and Palm trees.

Dune. Another big-budget interloper and sporting the Italian look. Everybody so busy panning it they miss the point that it's really quite good. Big stuff like that, you'd really only want to trust to Peter Jackson.

Robocop. Original was fab, the rest sort of ran out of steam. Then they do the insulting "stick any old actor in the sequel as the main character, no one'll care" thing.

Predator. The Predator 2, then ...v Alien. Going to hell in a handbasket seems an appropriate phrase. If they weren't dead, surely the next would have been ...meets Abbot and Costello.

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