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Name a sci-fi film that's better than Serenity- if ya can, that is...

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 3:16 PM

CHRISISALL


Only two come to mind as possibles for me...
Blade Runner and the original Planet Of The Apes.

Hmmmm....and maybe The Empire Strikes Back....but I don't think so.

And anyone says 2001 is gonna get kicked through an engine!!!!

What do y'all think?


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Thursday, December 8, 2005 3:27 PM

MOOSE


20....uh, I mean 2010!


I wouldn't say BETTER than Serenity, but Blade Runner is pretty damn good.

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 4:17 PM

GIANTEVILHEAD


Terminator and Terminator 2.

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 4:40 PM

REGINAROADIE


A.I.
LAST NIGHT
CONTACT
The BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy (part 3 being my sentimental fave)
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
PLANET OF THE APES
2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY (gotta feed the engine something)
THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL
METROPOLIS

And a last minute add on, the first ALIEN. ALIENS have been getting a lot of shout-outs, but the first one, I feel, is the best of the lot. Just pure, unfiltered suspense and atmospheric dread. The final scene with the Alien with Ripley in the escape pod is one of the most terrifying scenes in sci-fi history. THIS is the sci-fi Ridley Scott I can get behind.

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 4:55 PM

LUCKYSPENCER7


Back to the Future -- but I'd say only the first one. still, both BttF and Serenity make it to my top 5 favourite movies of all time.

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 5:03 PM

HAYWARD79


I can actually only think of a few:

Blade Runner - this seems to be a consensus pick; Ridley Scott broke the mold with this film

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - simply a phenomenal film with great character development, superior editing, and superb (but not overblown) special effects. Easily the best of Star Trek films.

The Matrix - I remember when I first saw the trailer to this movie and I thought "Hmmm, Keanu Reeves and sci-fi..can it possibly get worse than Johnny Mnemonic?" Then I saw this film and was blown away. Hugo Weaving is perfect as Agent Smith.

The Empire Strikes Back - the best of the six, by far the best directing (being that Lucas didn't direct it)

Ghost in the Shell - yes, I know it's anime, but it is one hell of a ride. Also gave rise to a pretty decent sequel.

Aliens - James Cameron sure as hell knows how to make a good sci-fi flick with non-stop action.


Honorable Mention (not QUITE as good as Serenity, but worth seeing if you're a sci-fi fan)

Event Horizon - a great mix of sci-fi and horror; totally succeeded in freaking me out the first time I saw it

Akira - another anime classic

The Terminator series (any of the three) - yes, this includes III, which I thought was really short-changed by both critics and fans. Love the ending: John Connor cannot escape his fate.

Supernova - should have been better, but movie is saved by solid acting from James Spader and Angela Basset.

Strange Days - I really have a soft spot for this movie, mainly because it a had a cool concept and Ralph Fiennes is one hell of an actor.




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Thursday, December 8, 2005 5:07 PM

GUNRUNNER


Aliens, Spaceballs and Wrath of Kahn are the only two I can think of that could possibly rival Serenity...

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 5:07 PM

LOUGOJIRA


Sorry...I've seen a bunch of films in my life, and when it comes to sci-fi I honestly can't think of one that tops Serenity. The movie solidified me into a fan of this whole 'verse!

I can think of some pretty good contenders for the top spot though...

Planet of the Apes and Beneath the Planet of the Apes (I have a crush on Linda "Nova" Harrison to this day, and I don't care if she may have grandkids my age!)
Fantastic Planet
Mad Max 1 & 2
Terminator 1 & 2
Fist of the Northstar (animated...the live-action version blew outloud!)

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 5:08 PM

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION


I wouldn't necessarily say BETTER, but some of my favs (on par with Serenity) include....

Blade Runner
Silent Running
Original Star Wars
5th Element
Aliens (so scary! ACK!!!!)
Dark City


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Thursday, December 8, 2005 5:09 PM

LIGHTMEDARK


I just wanted to say that I'm happy that Event Horizon was at least mentioned by someone...sweet ;D

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 6:32 PM

JOSSISAGOD


Nothing I've seen recently tops "Serenity", the original Star Wars Tilogy comes close, "Blade Runner" comes in a close second to the original Star Wars Trilogy. But honestly "Serenity" was the best movie I have been able to see in theaters since I've been old enough to go.

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 6:57 PM

MICKEY6


What, nobody thinks Alien Resurrection was the pinnacle of Whedon's screen-writing?

I can't think of any that are really better, but I'm quite fond of Red Planet and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, as well as some old favorites already named by others.

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Thursday, December 8, 2005 11:15 PM

RCAT


Before I saw the other responses, my first thought was Blade Runner. After that, the original Star Wars.

I'm a big fan of Star Trek (the whole franchise) but I like Firefly better. I don't think I would have liked it (Firefly) as much tho, if it hadn't been for ST, as FF is gritty, real, something I can identify more w/ (characters/plots and such...part of Joss's vision, as it turns out). If it hadn't been for ST tho, the sterile and mighty federation (FF being verymuch anti-gov), I'm not sure if I would have liked it as much.



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Thursday, December 8, 2005 11:40 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


hmmm

In all honesty I don't feel there's been a more complete 'Sci-fi' film than SERENITY.

Joss just about weaved the most well rounded 'world' of characters and back story to make his vision of 'a' future as believable as possible, and furthers it to make it extremely entertaining.

However there are close contenders.

TRON For being just so visionary when it was released and for just being about the most unique looking film ever!

and

The Empire Strikes Back

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Friday, December 9, 2005 4:31 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Hayward79:
Supernova - should have been better, but movie is saved by solid acting from James Spader and Angela Basset.


Wow! Somebody besides me really likes this movie! I think it's just on the edge of being great, it was edited badly, and that might be why Walter Hill took his name off as director.
I LOVE the alternate ending- it should have been in the film itself!
And the FX are cool!

It's definitly in my top 20!

Chrisisall, recovering Hayzon addict

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Friday, December 9, 2005 4:36 AM

GRAHEIM


Will no one give a shoutout to Dark City?

Then I must. Dark City FLOORED me when I saw it in the theater. I honestly forgot I existed for awhile.

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Friday, December 9, 2005 4:49 AM

CHRISISALL


There's a moment in the movie- you know the one I mean- where I thought I was on a weird, drug induced trip....
Alex Proyas hit two homeruns in a row with The Crow and Dark City.

Nothing's trivial Chrisisall

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Friday, December 9, 2005 5:10 AM

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION


"Will no one give a shoutout to Dark City?"

Hellooo....it was the last one on my list :)

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Friday, December 9, 2005 5:27 AM

GRAHEIM


""Will no one give a shoutout to Dark City?""

"Hellooo....it was the last one on my list :)"


Not only was it on your list but you also gave props to the 5th Element, the liking of which is the first requirement for true sentience.

Humblest groveling.

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Friday, December 9, 2005 5:34 AM

CYBERSNARK


Why has no one mentioned Galaxy Quest?

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Friday, December 9, 2005 5:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Why has no one mentioned Galaxy Quest?


Why has no one mentioned The Fantastic Four?
While truly great itself, I don't think Galaxy Quest is quite in the same league as Serenity, IMHO.

Chrisisall Torch'd

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Friday, December 9, 2005 7:07 AM

HERO


Good question. Can't say they are as good as Serenity cause Serenity is my all time favorite.

How about:
1. the Original War of the Worlds (the Tom Cruise version was better and closer to the book, but the arrival of the Martians was so needlessly altered from the original story and so poorly concieved I can't even watch the movie again. Ruined, ruined it was. Oh look, nobody noticed the giant alien war machines under 5th Avenue in New York for a thousand years...)
2. The Black Hole (I love those robots...that movie just sucks you in).
3. Star Trek II
4. Star Wars Episodes 3 and 4 (with honorable mentions to 5,6, and 2...we could have skipped 1).
5. Babylon 5: In the Begininng (Not a great movie unless you are a really devoted B5 fan.)
6. Stargate (Which inspired the longest running TV show ever.)
7. Battlestar Galactica (The original pilot movie.)
8. Battle Beyond the Stars (Hokey yes, but I love that movie.)
9. Alien
10. The Postman (I was the only person in the entire world to see this movie in the theater. I loved it, but it'd have done better if released after 9/11. 2nd favorite movie of all time behind Serenity.)

H

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Friday, December 9, 2005 7:11 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

10. The Postman (I was the only person in the entire world to see this movie in the theater. I loved it, but it'd have done better if released after 9/11. 2nd favorite movie of all time behind Serenity.)


Interesting choice, Hero. You know, I really liked that movie too. It was about redemption and findin' your purpose, a very noble flick.

Chrisisall with a 36 cent stamp

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Friday, December 9, 2005 7:36 AM

CBY


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Why has no one mentioned Galaxy Quest?

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This is an unpopular point of view, but I think the way Galaxy Quest made fun of sci-fi in general and it's fans might not have been the best idea in the long run.

As for the topic:

- Matrix (1)
- Alien (1)


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Friday, December 9, 2005 7:47 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

10. The Postman (I was the only person in the entire world to see this movie in the theater. I loved it, but it'd have done better if released after 9/11. 2nd favorite movie of all time behind Serenity.)


Interesting choice, Hero. You know, I really liked that movie too. It was about redemption and findin' your purpose, a very noble flick.

Chrisisall with a 36 cent stamp



When I saw that movie I was a college dropout (because of the 1.81 GPA I had managed) and working as a miserable, broken down night security guard. I was inspired. Finished my last two years of college in 11 months with a 3.9 GPA, lawschool on an academic scholarship, and now a dirty, lowdown prosecutor determined to violate the Constitutional rights of every speeder and drunk driver in "my City".

So I'd have to agree with you. Carry a leather mail bag instead of a briefcase every day and always keep a close eye on the guy who comes to fix our copy machine.

H

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Friday, December 9, 2005 8:26 AM

JAYTEE


I'm torn between 2001 (ducks), Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone or Buckaroo Banzai

Jaytee

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Friday, December 9, 2005 8:51 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by JayTee:
Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone Jaytee

Shirley, you must be joking.....

It was a fun little romp, but seriously now.

Why can't things be simple anymore Chrisisall

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Friday, December 9, 2005 9:41 AM

CLJOHNSTON108


• A L I E N
• The Abyss SE
• Blade Runner
• The Empire Strikes Back
• I, Robot
• The Matrix
• Red Planet

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Friday, December 9, 2005 9:46 AM

FIVEBYFIVE


Serenity > Blade Runner > all other Sci-Fi Movies, IMHO.

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Friday, December 9, 2005 10:34 AM

ORPHEUS


My all-time favorites are Star Wars (come on, it isn't A New Hope. It's just Star Wars) and Empire Strikes Back. Those two and Serenity exist as the pinnacle of sci-fi-ness. But some other contenders:

12 Monkeys - If only because it shows us that time travel really doesn't work.

Back to the Future - If only because it shows us that time travel is so very cool.

Aliens - I love the first two Alien films equally, but the white-knuckle factor in Aliens is far superior.

Dark City - To this day, I can't tell anyone what it's about without spoiling it a little. The whole film just threw me for a loop.

Pitch Black - Sure, it's an Alien clone. But come on. Riddick.
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Friday, December 9, 2005 11:15 AM

GIANTEVILHEAD


Quote:

Originally posted by Orpheus:
12 Monkeys - If only because it shows us that time travel really doesn't work.


Actually, the first Terminator did that. It's just not so blatantly obvious. In the original script for the Terminator, there was a lot more scenes and dialogue that points to a predestination paradox but James Cameron removed them because he thought that the audience was smart enough to figure it out.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

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Friday, December 9, 2005 12:16 PM

MOOSE


Quote:

Originally posted by Orpheus:
My all-time favorites are Star Wars (come on, it isn't A New Hope. It's just Star Wars)..




Glad to know that someone else thinks that way.



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Friday, December 9, 2005 12:19 PM

DAISYCUTTER


Quatermass, the whole trilogy

Anyone who mentions Shakespeare will get a .50 in their ass

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Friday, December 9, 2005 12:36 PM

JAYTEE


Yes, I was joking about both movies. In all seriousness, there is no better movie than Serenity in the sci-fi genre. There are other great movies but they are all runners-up to Serenity. Just like there are only runners-up to Firefly which is the Best Damn Series in the Whole Damn 'Verse and if anyone disagrees I'll challenge em to a duel with swords. (I don't need lessons from Inara either and my katana can slice, dice, julienne and fillet better than a Ronco Vegamatic.)

Jaytee

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Friday, December 9, 2005 12:57 PM

GIXXER


I'd have to give it to Aliens and Galaxy Quest.

Not better than Serenity, but in their own selves really good films.

Aliens needs no further explanation.

I can't think any sci-fi fan anywhere in the world can possibly have been offended by Galaxy Quest. The gags were clever and aimed directly at geeks like you and me. Not as barbs, but delivered specially so that you actually got them all precisely because of your disorder. It was pretty much spot-on accurate in all respects (except the usual implausibilities. I mean, a lathe? Where's the realism in that?)

Alien and Bladerunner suffered from Ridley Scott disease - looks fantastic, but a bit slow.

G


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Friday, December 9, 2005 1:08 PM

GATORMARC


My fave Sci-Fi flicks:

12 Monkeys
Aliens
Dark City
The Fifth Element
Galaxy Quest
Serenity
Spaceballs
Total Recall

GatorMarc

Eat 'em up, chomp, chomp.

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Friday, December 9, 2005 1:36 PM

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION


"Ridley Scott disease"

Snort!!!

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Friday, December 9, 2005 1:44 PM

OPPYH


James Cameron made my 2 favorite sci-fi flix of all time. Aliens, and The Abyss. I feel serenity is just as strong as those 2 movies.

Oh and Chrisisall, Planet of the Apes was a great movie, but have you ever watched the tv series? It may not be as strong, and epic as the movie, but it is very well done. It feels a lot like Kung Fu, (another great show from the 70's) except with apes. I think I'm gonna break out my dvd set tonight, and watch a few episodes.

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Friday, December 9, 2005 2:13 PM

ACESANDEIGHTS


Personally, Star Wars Episodes 3 and 5 were very close IMO. You can't replicate that Star Wars feel (But that Firefly feeling is better ).

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Friday, December 9, 2005 8:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Here's a list of my fave sci-fi flicks, in no particular order (except that 2001 is still my All-Time Number One Sci-Fi Movie). Kick me into the engine, but it set the tone and broke the mold - if you can get through the 30 minute acid trip at the end, that is... :)

2001: A Space Odyssey. I was fortunate enough to get to see this in the theater when it opened in 1968. I was 6 years old, and I'd never seen anything like it. LIttle did I know, NOBODY had ever seen anything like it before! For Stanley Kubrick to read Arthur C. Clarke's short story "The Sentinel", and then to imagine something as grandiose as "2001" just from that, is concrete evidence that he had access to waaaaayyyy better drugs than I've ever gotten my hands on! ;)

2010: The Year We Make Contact. Not necessarily my second favorite, but it really should be seen together with 2001. I "simplifies" things a bit, and explains them using words instead of just imagery. Call it 2001 Lite, dumbed down for the masses.

Blade Runner. This is at least my second favorite sci-fi flick. I just love the way it mixes the Sam Spade-like film-noir gumshoe genre into the sci-fi mix. One of Harrison Ford's best acting jobs, simply because it *uses* his deadpan way of delivering a line to its advantage.

Star Wars. The original, first one made. Like 2001, it simply broke the genre wide open. And, also like 2001, no one had ever seen anything like it before. Again, I was fortunate enough to see it on the big screen when it came out. Ever see the episode of "That 70s Show" where they go see Star Wars? Yeah... we were really like that. It had me from the very first scene.

Alien. And "Aliens" (the sequel).

Silent Running. A little-known but hugely visionary look into every tree-hugger's worst nightmares.

Brazil. When you think things are really bad, and that the government's out to get you, this film shows that it's really much, much worse. And funnier.

The 5th Element. Really odd movie, very weird, but very likable. People tend to either love it or loathe it.

The Road Warrior. $3 for a gallon of gas got you down? It could be worse - far worse!

The Matrix. Why, oh why did they have to so completely ruin this story with such horrible sequels? It just goes to prove that there's no movie so "special" that Hollywood can't completely bollocks it up by trying to cash in on it. And I was stupid enough to pay to see BOTH sequels, so the joke's on me. :(

Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Kahn. This one stands out as the best of the Star Trek movies, by far.

So... which ones did/do I like better than "Serenity"? Probably only 2001, Blade Runner, and Star Wars. Call the others "Honorable Mentions", but they're still great sci-fi movies.

Mike

Grrrrr. Arrrgghh.

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Friday, December 9, 2005 8:46 PM

NITEHAWK


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
Quote:

Originally posted by Orpheus:
My all-time favorites are Star Wars (come on, it isn't A New Hope. It's just Star Wars)..


Glad to know that someone else thinks that way.


Yah, me too!

Serenity is in the top league with Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner, and Akira. Probably GitS too, and Alien. It's certainly the best scifi in recent times, no contest whatsoever. 2001 is another great but it's so . . . different I have trouble lumping it with these.

I'll agree with those saying Wrath of Khan is the best of the Star Trek movies . . . and it's a good film, a significant cut above all the rest . . . but I don't personally hold it in this league. Somewhere just below. My two cents at least.

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Friday, December 9, 2005 8:57 PM

JOEYWIT


I am disappointed that none of you mention Forbidden Planet! I am nowhere near old enough to have seen it in the theater, but that movie still gives me chills when I see it. As far as storyline goes, it ties with Serenity.
As far as visual concepts, Serenity wins.
Hmm, Commander John Adams (a much younger and seriouser Leslie Nielsen) vs Captain Malcolm Reynolds. Tough call...
And Robbie the Robot!
Now, all of you go rent it and leave me in peace with my Firefly DVDs...

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Friday, December 9, 2005 9:01 PM

CALHOUN


Quote:

GunRunner wrote:
Thursday, December 08, 2005 17:07
Aliens, Spaceballs and Wrath of Kahn are the only two I can think of that could possibly rival Serenity...



Isnt that 3?


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Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:17 AM

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG


Above:
Aliens
Ghost in the Shell: Innocence


Same league:
Pitch Black
Ghost in the Shell
Blade Runner
Khan


I'm counting the Star Wars movies as fantasy so not going to include them here

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Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:33 AM

GUNRUNNER


Quote:

Originally posted by Calhoun:
Quote:

GunRunner wrote:
Thursday, December 08, 2005 17:07
Aliens, Spaceballs and Wrath of Kahn are the only two I can think of that could possibly rival Serenity...



Isnt that 3?




Doh! I added Aliens the last possable second and forgot to change two to three.

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Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:54 AM

XEROGRAVITY


Always only one #1 to me...

Star Wars: back when Snaggletooth was the original Hut. In fact, the whole trilogy in my mind is merged as 1 single film. No Empire or Jedi separate from the 1st flick. In spite of the last 3 miserable installments,

Close 2nd: Matrix (I can easily forget those 2 tacky sequels ~ should have been a 1 act play).


XG

...on the artsy end of things (and currently unmentioned) ~ A Clockwork Orange. Closest representation of a book-made-into-movie I've ever seen. Not exactly in the same genre though.


No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:06 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Sorry, Chrisisall. I share your enthusiasm for Blade Runner, but IMO 2001: A Space Odyssey is still the best science fiction film that has ever been made (to this date, I won't judge Serenity 2 until I see it). Also, notice I said science fiction. I can't stand using that "skiffy" term.




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Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:36 PM

ZOIC


Well I won't admit these films are better than Serenity, my favourite Sci-Fi films are.

The Matrix
Casshern
Appleseed
Avalon
Ghost In The Shell
Akira
The Iron Giant
Terminator 1 & 2
Pitch Black
Alien & Aliens
The Abyss
Strange Days
Donnie Darko
Cube
Equilibrium
Gattaca
Cypher
Dark City
12 Monkeys
I Robot
Signs
War of The Worlds (2005)
E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
Close Encounters of The 3rd Kind
A Clockwork Orange
2001 A space Odyssey
Blade Runner
Day The Earth Stood Still

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Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:34 AM

XEROGRAVITY


In the humor department, my 2 favorite scifi flicks are:

(1) Starship Troopers (and I'm a Heinlein fan... that's the first and probably last time I've ever seen a movie outshine the book it was based on) (and the original book wasn't meant to be humor)

(2) GalaxyQuest (and I absolutely hated the Trekkie mockumentaries starring the embittered and disgruntled Tasha Yar "Denise Crosby", ~ it was entertaining, but grossly misrepresentative of Trekkies). Denise Cosby quit Trek thinking it was Nerd fodder, then later cashed in on her mistake by attacking the same fans she hated. "Die nerds Die!! Just make sure I get a paycheck in the process."

XG

I'd swallow razor blades before I'd ever call myself a "trekker". I ain't hiking thru the mountains. I'm watching scifi. AND I have the blessings of Roddenberry on that one.


Trekkie to the bitter end.

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Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:51 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Starship Troopers (and I'm a Heinlein fan... that's the first and probably last time I've ever seen a movie outshine the book it was based on)


That's blasphemy, man!



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