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SERENITY great cinema? Compared to what?
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 7:38 AM
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:39 AM
Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...
Quote:Originally posted by 3HeadedMonkey:
actually, Greedo says "oola goota, solo?" which translates to "going somewhere, solo?"
and the launguage is rodian.
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:46 AM
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:51 AM
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:14 AM
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:46 AM
After reading your long winded fancy posts I decided one thing about you. You are a pompous fuck. The kind of person who hangs out in coffee houses and snaps his fingers to some bull shit goth poetry. The kind of person who wears a god damn black turtle neck and a beret.
What the hell kind of list of movies is that. Just the titles alone scream, I am going to destroy any vestige of entertainment this movie may have to offer, let alone their boring ass content. You wanna know what good entertainment is. Good entertainment is Arnold killing 91 people in Commando. That's good god damn entertainment and nothing you're 6 syllable word typing ass is gonna change that.
Now maybe you're in the minority of "higher thinking" people and you are just that much more advanced. But I doubt it. More likely you have taken days on these posts in order to "awe" us with your brilliance. But lets pretend you are as smart as you post. Well shit, I have never wanted to be just an ordinary person more in my life. Hell can you imagine trying to pick up a chick talking like you do ahhaha. Hell, I guess you dont have to imagine do you? How do you really enjoy anything?
Now I know what you're thinking and what you're gonna say. Blah blah blah *insert long winded phrase* you are a troglodyte and you are only attacking me because thats all you can do. Blah blah blah *insert sentece that I won't finish because only robots speak that way* you are a dictator because you don't see my wisdom. Blah blah blah you are a flaming ranter that has nothing constructive to say and is a child
And you know what, you're right and the beauty is you have to deal with people like me for the rest of your miserble cold calis life.
Oh and by the way, My dad can beat your dad up.
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:58 AM
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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Howard:
Actually I never liked CITIZEN KANE
I much prefer THE TRIAL and so did
For years I felt alone in saying that
THE TRIAL is a better Welles film
than KANE. Until a wonderful LASERDISC
of THE TRIAL was released and in the
liner notes Welles is quoted in an]
interview as saying that for me THE
TRIAL is better.
The problem with the likes of THE TERMINATOR
is that giving your money for that crap just
encourages the studios.
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:51 PM
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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Gladiator:
Oh and by the way, My dad can beat your dad up.
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:33 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by Howard:
Back in the late 60's early 70's Science
Fiction was dramatic and had something to say.
Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:43 PM
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Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:05 AM
Hi there, ya sleepwalker
Well, it took me a bit to get back to you due to the work schedule. Lessee... Sir Henry (Rawlinson) would have said, "I've just spent the last 10 hours buried up the backsides of the filth hounds of Hades!" ...so, trying to get past my nitrogen narcosis & readjust to regular atmospheric pressure...
Quote:s'anyway... you make a bunch of excellent points about 'Salo.' And I agree with many of them and, also, I agree with you in that I'm also not that particularly 'shockable.' I think had I taken some Evangelical Christian aquaintance of mine, well...THEY might well have been shocked.
Quote:However, I have to tell you, I can't remember what my shockability was back around, I'm thinking, 1972, when I first saw it. If you can imagine the zeitgeist back then, even I might have been quite appalled in '72... I don't think I was but... I WAS shocked.
Quote:Now, I don't believe Pasolini shot it specifically for the point of "shocking" people. I believe he was making a political satire that was aimed at various political figures/events in Italian politics around the late 1960's or so... trying to imply that, if you were a member of such-&-such political party (Pasolini was a Communist, himself) then you were just beginning to dip your toes into the pond wherein, after a couple of good dips, you'd be incapable of avoiding ...raping & killing your own children, for example... I believe he was trying to make allegorical finger-pointing statements at whoever he despised. ....and trying to translate those kinds of ideas (whatever he was trying to say) into our CURrent sensibilities is about as seamless as trying to get the humor in a Python gag from 1969 that is specific to local-town-council-politics in some village in England back THEN... doesn't translate so well to the general populace.
So I don't really think Pasolini shot it to be secifically 'shocking' as you've interpreted; I believe he was extremely angry about political points of view that he disagreed with & was saying, "See! See how you bastards are?! THIS... is how you are!" He was being accusatory. ...ummm... my opinion... could be wrong.
Quote:Now to conclude my "Salo-ivations", a few years ago, I had a lovely conversation with a fellow who's a film composer & it was about art we both respected &, I dunno how we both arrived at this but, the conversation was about Prokofiev & Pasolini. He had just about the same take on "Salo" that I did but, he had a very interesting additional point. He pointed out that what it succeeds in doing is to "resensitize" the viewer to screen violence. His point was (& this was around 8 years ago), that all us movie-lovers are now so innured to screen violence that it falls off us like water off a duck's back. And he thought that this was a sad state of affairs... take your own perspective, for example: you can't even be affected by the awful horror depicted within "Salo" as, I'm guessing, you've already seen a whole lotta screen violence (not a criticism, BTW).
Quote:He & I had both been so strongly affected by it that, well... it just plain made us think hard about people who might behave this way or, well... it can't be denied that, throughout history, various human beings (even whole nations) have, in fact, behaved that way... and worse, even MUCH worse so... whether or not it worked on you, it certainly worked on me: I believe there is some cultural value in "resentizing" the average filmgoer to the (often) horrible events they see depicted on screen FOR THEIR AMUSEMENT. I mean, for what it's worth...
Quote: Well, the most completely precise answer to this is:
"Yes... and no..."
To explain myself: "Yes" because sure, absolutely, 'd love to, based on the presumption that we at least have Serenity'verse in common - & I like a whole lotta comics. Besides... if there's one job-skill required of a producer, it's collaboration, eh? I mean, the whole of the Industry is one, giant collaboration or... that movie didn't get made...
...and "No" because, well... I'm not a producer by choice or, because I went out & had enough skill in the Art to get hired by some company (well... I did... but, besides the point). I'm a producer out of necessity: it's the only way I could see to get my original creative output (& that of my production partner) shot & released while, simultaneously, retaining some modicum of freakin' control over it. THERE'S the rub... "creative control"....
Quote:So I don't work for some big studio or such, wherein my daily routine is somewhat predictable and maybe there'd be some downtime, OH no-ooo... nothing that normal...
Quote:We have a dinkly, li'l, indie movie production house whose only purpose is creating these original works of cinematic art. There's several dozen of them already and only one has been completely shot - and immediately shelved (as inferior, by our own outrageously exacting standards).
Quote:My typical workweek is 80, 90, 100 hours... EVERY week... for the last two years. I've had exactly two days off in that time: one was Christmas last year - & even then, we had to have a morning buiness meeting before we wrapped for the afternoon; the other was because my immune system gave out and whatever bug I had laid me down too sick to move. ...just sayin'... there is no more complex, detail oriented, knowledge-intensive work one can take on than independent feature film production. None... not one, I gurantee... it'd be easier to be the President... at least he has an adequate staff and budget... and he can manage to find time for his family so, it's a good thing I don't have one... whew... sorry... was I ranting? ...hmmm...
Quote:Now... I'll tell you something else that, perhaps, people don't think about: Have you ever heard the phraselet, "Unsolicited Material?"
Quote:Many producers - not all, but many... cannot accept (even categorically refuse to accept) "Unsolicitied Material." That means, something they didn't specifically ask a writer for or, I should say, have their agent ask the writer's agent for - in other words, some spec work a writer is approaching them with.
In the case of my company, it has a blanket policy saying that we won't do it; it's just simpler that way. I mean, first off, there's already enough distractions from our prime focus that, well... unsolicited projects would simply serve to diffuse that focus even further but, moreover... well, you might read in the paper that such-n-such producer/production company has just been sued because their highly-successful film that just grossed $250-megabucks domestic theatrical had ripped off ideas that, so-n-so prospective screenwriter submitted to that producer/company in a spec script he'd sent them ...15-ish years before... and if you're Amblin Entertainment or Lucasfilm & people send you, fully, 2,000 scripts a week, all you do is stack 'em up against the wall because there, for SURE, is nobody around there that has time to sort through any of it, much less read it... much LESS, "rip it off" for one of their OWN projects.
Anyway, we're for sure, not Steven Spielberg or George Lucas and, if we ever got hit by such a lawsuit, it'd sink us, pure and simple... therefore the company preempts that and says, "No accepting unsolicited material, period."
Quote:Now, that doesn't mean, I wouldn't want to see your stuff but, it DOES mean that the easiest way for me to see it is, if it's in print somewhere & I can go out & buy a copy which, I'd love to do.
Quote:Do you have any other work you like to compare it to that I might have an idea what it's like. I mean, I like a lot of comics, but not necessary all... some just don't grab me, eh? Or do you refer to any particular influences?
Quote:Sorry to go on so lonbg, so...
Quote:...if you made it his far, then you couldn't possible "be a stupid, inbred stack of meat"
Thursday, November 3, 2005 5:45 AM
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Thursday, November 3, 2005 8:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Oh, yep, definitely my hero.
I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.
Thursday, November 3, 2005 8:12 AM
Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Spinland:
Hell, compared to Gone With the Wind, to name just one film. I mean, c'mon! How could any yarn about a strumpet in a dress made of curtains compare to our Kaylee talking about stuff 'twixt her nethers?
Thursday, November 3, 2005 10:26 AM
Thursday, November 3, 2005 3:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Gladiator:
To my beloved Howard:
I feel we are becoming fast friends wouldn't you recon. Now instead of hanging out at star trek conventions dressed as a klingon trying to fit in you can just hang out at this website and we can reminse about all the fun times we're gonna have.
I really admire the way you break up your posts. It's like poetry.
Heres to you howard, heres to you.
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