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POSTED BY: VISIONARY
UPDATED: Thursday, January 9, 2003 05:05
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Monday, January 6, 2003 9:44 PM

I'm pretty gorram sure this is going to drastically affect UPN's choice over whether or not to snag Firefly...problem is, I'm not sure if it will affect it positively or negatively.

Bottom line: Star Trek is dead.

The new movie is being destroyed at the box office and is well on it's way to the worst take for a Trek movie ever. This is a thick nail in the Star Trek coffin because it isn't a bad movie, people are just sick of Trek.

Also, even more applicable to our cause, over at UPN Enterprise is being destroyed in the ratings. They are getting ratings equal to that of Firefly when it was cancelled and it's an established show on a Wednesday night. Rick Berman has already said that they are going to add more sex and violence to try to attract more viewers but those are famous last words.

So, with UPN's flagship (pardon the pun) Enterprise in serious poo poo and science fiction as a hole in the toilet with the public, will UPN pick up this show hoping to re-establish itself with sci-fi junkies or will they walk away from the genre entirely and give us bloddy wrestling seven days a week?

Hmmmmmmm....

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Monday, January 6, 2003 9:48 PM

BRTICK

geez i got scared when i read the title to this thread, i thought you were going to say something like firefly was picked up but they fired the cast or something don't do that to a man!

Keep Flying!

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Tuesday, January 7, 2003 4:50 AM

LEGALBEGAL

More umm news the people at UPN are now considering terminating ST Enterprise because of its ratings. They are going to wait to the end of the season before they offially do or say anything but I think that with Enterprise gone next year, Buffy gone next year, and the decline in Smack Down viewer ship. UPN just might chance picking up a decent, somewhat established show like Firefly. If not there are still other choices for the show to look into. Read the firefly by subscription thread.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2003 6:54 AM

SKULLNINJA

I'm still a firm believer that Enterprise was rushed onto the Trek viewership. We had TNG, which was pretty good once it hit it's stride (seasons 3-6), but lingered badly for that last season and then they slapped DS9 down which was usually interesting, but it seemed at times to have too large of an ensemble cast. Before that even finished, Voyager came along and they practically foisted storylines with the least interesting characters on up (Paris, B'Ellana, Neelix) while they let Chakotay and Tuvok stagnate and then they got 37D of 9 to monopolize the last three seasons. Then when that was over, they slapped down Enterprise, which isn't a bad show and has some interesting characters (except Travis who I kept expecting to pull a Denise Crosby and leave). So, what the hell did they expect with ratings? We're Trekked out. A year or two of rest would have benifited the series greatly. The ratings from TNG to ENT have consistantly dropped with spikes when a new show starts. Add to this, folks have branched out. So many of us have cable that the networks (especially the minor networks like UPN) don't have a corner on the market anymore. On any given night, a viewer might be over on FX watching The Shield or on HBO watching the Sopranos or even on TVland watching Sanford & Son reruns. Lord knows with the dreck on during prime time, I'm usually watching the old shows that actually told a story as opposed to a bunch of sex and violence. This was Firefly's problem, it actually had a story and it proved too challenging to understand to the post-MTV generation.
Until I see worthy programming like Firefly back on the networks, you'll catch me watching stuff like The Six Million Dollar Man and Barney Miller.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2003 7:38 AM

ZENROOM

Yep, completely agree with the above thoughts on Enterprise and Trek.

I think Firefly assumes intelligence on the part of the viewer, while Enterprise hopes like hell that viewers are stupid and won't notice the glaring flaws in it (recycled plots, contrived or just boring characters, (insert your favourite Enterprise flaw here).

To be interesting, a show has to take the basic building blocks of a genre (in the case of sci-fi, spaceships and futuristic whatnots, name your own) and build something new with them. Firefly's done that, Enterprise hasn't.

Just my own thoughts.

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Wednesday, January 8, 2003 5:32 PM

SENSOU

The only good series, IMEUABO, was the first one. It just isn't Star Trek without William Shatner. Or the-crazy-Russian-guy-whose-name-I-couldnt-spell-if-my-life-depended-on-it.
Then, again, I just watched it for the slashy implications. Which are, if anybody cares, the *first* slashy implications to be picked up by the fans. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that the very first slash pairing was Spock/McCoy.)

Sensou
Yamero! O-ishiri itai!

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Thursday, January 9, 2003 5:05 AM

RHEA

^^You must have missed the ladies that did the Kirk/Spock slash. :D I remember them none-too-fondly from some of the really early Trek cons. And no, I don't remember their names - only that they were incredibly vocal and wrote really, really BAD fanfic. Really bad.

REALLY BAD. :-D

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