GENERAL DISCUSSIONS

REAVERS vs. BORG vs. DALEKS vs. CYLONS

POSTED BY: REGINAROADIE
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Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:28 PM

REGINAROADIE


Here's another "what if..." thread.

If you had a Reaver ship, a Borg cube, a Dalek ship and a Cylon battleship, and you put them together out in space to duke it out, or if you took one of each and put them into a pit to duke it out as well, who do you think would win and what would be the odds.

My bet would actually be on the Daleks. In space, it would be like this.

Reaver ship comes across Borg cube.

BORG: "We are the Borg...you will be ass-"

Borg cube is blown to hell by Cylons.

CYLONS: "By your co-"

Cylon's are also destroyed by Dalek's who have the shortest and creepiest battle cry.

DALEKS: "EX-TERMINATE."

Dalek's would then blow up the Reaver's just for good measure.

And as for hand to hand combat, it would be the same order. The Reaver would've been assimilated by the Borg. The Borg would try to assimilate the Daleks, but because of it's armor, it wouldn't be able to penetrate it. Borg is the fried by a Cylon, which then tries to destroy the Dalek. But if the Anne Robinson robot in the final ep of the season was any indication, the Dalek would blast it away.

So who do you think would win a fight between the four of them.

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And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ... ow ... ound ... round ... ground! That's it! That's a good name - ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me?


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Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:48 PM

MANWITHPEZ

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Think about this a lot, do ya...

For me, there is only one answer, and that's the Borg...They cover all bases, and aren't afraid to lose anyone to find out what the advantages are. Once the Borg know a thing, they can exploit and defend as necessary. That's that...

Should've asked Who's the scariest...

REAVERS!!!

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Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:54 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


Yeah, I've gotta go with the Borg. Assuming of course you mean the true Borg, not the wussified one that could routinely be beat by Voyager. They'd take heavy damage early on but would adapt, and are patient. Since the Daleks are already Borg like they probably wouldn't modify them too much, either... just link their brains into the collective and destroy their individuality, and you've got a new breed of borg soldier.





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Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:54 PM

REGINAROADIE


I dunno. Reaver's are scary until you actually see them. But the Daleks have that horrible, distorted voice that when you hear them say "EX-TERMINATE", it still send a chill up your spine. And that's more creepy than a metallic "By your command" or a sickly "Resistance is futile."

Personally, I would never want to run into any four of those in a dark alley. But I just think that the Dalek's with that horrible voice and pure racial hatred for anything gives tham a slight edge.

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And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ... ow ... ound ... round ... ground! That's it! That's a good name - ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me?

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Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:13 PM

CYBERSNARK


I'm going with the Borg as well (assuming that these are the real Borg, and not the ones from that Federation-propaganda show.

If even one drone survives the first few minutes, the Borg will assimilate the others.

The Cylons would get one volley of projectiles before the Borg adapt their shields to block solid objects. Same with the Daleks; one or two disintegrator blasts before the Borg adapt. They likely wouldn't even notice the Reavers (Borg consume things that can improve them. Reaver tech is too primitive to bother with).

The Daleks (as the finale proves) are still too emotional and individual to compete against the Collective. They are Small. Their assimilation is inevitable.

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Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:42 PM

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL


Well, the Borg are copies of the Cybermen, and we all know that of the Dr. Who monsters, Daleks are far scarier than Cybermen, so there go the Borg.

Reavers are humanoid and would easily be exterminated by the Daleks.

And the old school Cylons have that cool red-eye thing, but that's about it... New school Cylons are CG, and we all know that practical monsters are better than CG ones, so Daleks win again!

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Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:42 PM

HAWK


The Daleks; they've got the passion!

(Funny thing to say about genocide enthusiasts...)

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Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:17 AM

ZOID


Okay. I know y'all've got it narrowed down to 4 creepy movie alien types. But why leave out the creatures from "Alien" and "Predator"? (NB: No, I ain't talkin' A. Schwarzenegger, 'The Creature That Couldn't Act', either)

Taking it one step further, why leave out the real-life creepies who are the equivalent of Pod People, The Thing (Howard Hawks, then John Carpenter; not F4) and all the other "We will assimilate you"-type monsters to have rolled down the Hollywood ramp since the 'Red Scare' 50's, featuring 'Joltin' Joe McCarthy?

Scientologists! (*shiver*)

From IMDB, a review of "Orientation: A Scientology Information Film (1996) ", an apparently ghastly-funny assimilation film:
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Shame MST3K never got a hold on this one..., 11 January 2001
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Author: Kraorh from Austin, Texas

The movie: okay, this was bad. Unspeakably bad, but to the person informed about the truth about Scientology, kind of funny in a very sad way (think "Battlefield Earth," only worse, and with a lot of the same people involved). The audience won't be getting an unbiased view of this cult, but that's to be expected in a feature produced by the Church. What's unexpected is the degree to which it is pure, unadulterated propaganda, at a level that would make Leni Riefenstahl blush with envy. For example, Kirstie Alley, with a look of seriousness that is unsettling, declares, "Without Scientology, I would be dead today." The viewer is paraded with a number of Scientology suits, each with their own title. (One person, introduced as the "Director of Processing," acts as Orwellian as his job title implies. A sinister, b-movie villian chuckle, and the exaserbated sigh, (paraphrased) "The world out there is such a corrupting influence. We really have our work cut out for us in breaking our new recruits of that influence." Ick.

Nevertheless, the propaganda of this film is produced in such a cheesy way that the film approaches self-parody. When actors like John Travolta are tapped as intellectual spokesmen (no offense to Travolta, but he isn't exactly Stephen Hawking), when L. Ron Hubbard is portrayed as the ultimate renaissance man/prophet/saint with utter sincerity, it's difficult to take any of the film's claims seriously. And as self-parody, you almost don't even need the MST3K crew to heckle the show; one would have to have the intelligence of peanut brittle to be unable to do it oneself.

Despite a rating of 1, I will recommend people see this movie at their local Scientology centers (the only place this movie can be seen), if anything else, for a good laugh, and a view at how intellectually bankrupt this excuse for a film really is. A word of caution though: after this film, I and the group of friends I saw it with were split up and separately "interviewed" by members of the church. They were reluctant to allow us to leave, and were eager to have us confess personal shortcomings that caused us distress and difficulty in life, which of course they alone could solve. How you choose to handle this is up to you, but I ultimately found any attempt at a dialogue futile. I recommmend that you treat this situation like you would a telemarketer, politely thank them for their movie and their time, but state you aren't interested and leave. Certainly don't give them personal info like your address and phone #.

So sit back, wait for the movie to start, bring your own popcorn (since they don't provide any), and say together with your companions, "MOVIE SIGN!!!"



Oh, and be sure to see "War of the Worlds", too. It's got Tom Cruise, Scientologist in it. It will make you a better person.

It will make you a better person...



It Will Make You A Better Personally,

zoid

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Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Daleks, hands down, no contest.

It's all about focus.

The Borg, using biological components, are vulnerable to all kinds of nastiness and exploitation, not to mention requiring protein intake and waste disposal/recycling facilities and that much less effort on the job at hand.

They also divide their focus between destroy and assimilate, never a good thing to split your attention between conflicting objectives.

That being said, they'd last the longest.

The Cylons might hang for a bit, but they're biological, or at least parts of em are - they do not appear technologically or tactically innovative, and seem to have a hard time coping with and understanding other species, a big disadvantage to fighting them.

They'd get pasted in the first few minutes.

The Reavers ?

They're human, savage and crazy, but human, and poorly armed at that.

Bug, meet windshield, windshield... meet bug.
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The Daleks singleminded focus and mechanical nature would give them the edge needed to win, since none of their opponents would consider linking in and ganging up on them.

They're pretty damned scary, after all, like a live-action version of Space Invaders, they'll just wear you down and wait for you to fumble the ball.

And just once it all it takes.

-F

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Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:43 AM

DUG


But the Daleks have a biological component as well. There's a squishy little Kaled mutant in there controlling everything. They are far more emotional than the Borg; that passion gives them the edge in this fight.

Then again, they couldn't beat the Movellans. And they're nowhere near as tough as a cyberman...
I mean Borg. Remember the 1960's cyberman battle cry: "Resistance is uselsess. You will be like us!"

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Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:11 AM

CYBERSNARK


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The Borg, using biological components, are vulnerable to all kinds of nastiness and exploitation, not to mention requiring protein intake and waste disposal/recycling facilities

No they don't. The biological components are just media for the cybernetic aspects. They do not eat or produce waste, but are kept artificially functional (a zombie-like parody of "life") through technological means. We've never seen any umbilicals connecting drones to their alcoves, so I'd guess that the "nutrients" used to keep the organic tissues viable are manufactured from the body's own raw material (using onboard glucose-resequencers). The drones are literally consuming themselves.

Each drone is just a meat puppet subprocessor of the Collective. There is only one "Borg," just spread among millions of bodies/ships (yes, I believe the ships are as "alive" as the drones, like bodies and blood cells). The Queen is nothing more than a persona that the Collective adopts to interact with lesser races.

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They also divide their focus between destroy and assimilate, never a good thing to split your attention between conflicting objectives.
Not so much a divided focus as priorities. Ignore anything not useful/assimilate targets if possible/destroy threats if necessary.

The Daleks would vapourize a few drones, possibly even a whole cube. With every hit it takes, the Collective would learn a bit more about Dalek weaponry. Eventually, they would adapt, and the Daleks would be defenseless. One Dalek would be captured and dissected until the organic core was found. The remains would be assimilated, and the Collective would immediately gain access to the Daleks' own interlink (and all the "carried" knowledge of that particular Dalek). The Collective's Voice would distract the Emperor until he could be located and assimilated (at which point all "surviving" Daleks would come under Borg control, because of the link).

Let's face it, the Daleks are what Voyager portrayed the Borg as (a race of individuals, enslaved to the Queen's personality), even if Dr. Who did the Daleks far, far better than Voyager did the Borg. Against real Borg, such a design flaw (having a very obvious "head" to cut off) would be their undoing.

Yeah, I'm a fan of the Borg. I had a whole alternaverse for Voyager, based on the Borg being much smarter and more subtle than anyone on Voyager (or the entire Federation) imagined. They're just far too alien for the humans to comprehend (which is where the Voyager writers failed; they didn't even try to wrap their heads around the SFnal implications of a Hive Mind.

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Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:24 AM

DUG


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Let's face it, the Daleks are what Voyager portrayed the Borg as (a race of individuals, enslaved to the Queen's personality), even if Dr. Who did the Daleks far, far better than Voyager did the Borg. Against real Borg, such a design flaw (having a very obvious "head" to cut off) would be their undoing.


If I recall, the Emporer Dalek tripe crept into the Dalek storyline in the same manner; writers who couldn't wrap their minds around a horde of villains with no central leader. Plots were easier if you had one "head" to take out rather than millions. I feel both suffered badly when a leader was created; they lost a lot of their alien nature.

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