Enjoying that "Green" energy yet? by 6IXSTRINGJACK

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Enjoying that "Green" energy yet?

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Friday, February 3, 2023 8:44 PM

https://news.yahoo.com/wholesale-power-prices-spike-u-192655574.html?f
r=sycsrp_catchall

Looks like the East Coast is getting a dose of what the Democrat in California voted for last month.

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Friday, February 3, 2023 11:45 PM

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https://news.yahoo.com/wholesale-power-prices-spike-u-192655574.html?f
r=sycsrp_catchall

Looks like the East Coast is getting a dose of what the Democrat in California voted for last month.

Prices in ISO New England surged by 140% to about $237 per megawatt hour (MWh) but in Texas the Wholesale power prices hit $5,000 per megawatt hour.

By the way, Texas is Trump country, 6ix, and electric prices are set by Republicans:

Updated: May 10, 2022 11:30 a.m.

Transmission bottlenecks led to huge differences in wholesale power prices across the state.

By late Monday afternoon, a 30-minute car ride around Matagorda Bay meant a $3,653.44 difference in the price of a megawatt-hour of electricity.

With demand sky high for power, transmission bottlenecks limited supplies to the Houston area, and the price for wholesale power in Harris County jumped as high as $5,500 per megawatt-hour, compared with prices that typically average about $30. Meanwhile, on the other side of the bottleneck, just south of Matagorda Bay, power that had no place to go flooded the market and pushed prices into negative numbers for much of the day — meaning generators had to pay customers to take the electricity.

It’s hard to pinpoint the exact reason why power prices in several counties south of Matagorda Bay fell so low while prices to the north spiked, but Doug Lewin, president of power consultant Stoic Energy, said evidence points to congested transmission lines.

Even though demand for power was high in Houston, there likely was not enough space on transmission lines to carry it from the south, where supplies were plentiful. If power generators add too much power to transmission lines at once, Lewin said, they can risk overtaxing the system, which is one reason why the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the state’s electricity grid manager, lowers the price in those areas to encourage them to stop flowing power to the grid.

“The power is caught behind congestion,” Lewin said. “That’s why the grid operator will curtail prices, just tell that power generator to shut down, to stop producing their power and sending it onto the lines. Because if it gets overloaded, they can get in a situation where you have a power outage.”

As a result, power prices varied widely across the state.

One generator in southern Matagorda County reported receiving more than $1,800 per megawatt-hour on the wholesale electricity market around 4:30 p.m. At the same time, in nearby eastern Calhoun County, a power generator said it was losing more than $1,800 per megawatt-hour of power it was putting onto the grid. The two generators were located about 30 miles away from each other.

ERCOT warned last week of potentially tight grid conditions as high temperatures Saturday and Sunday rose above 93 degrees in much of the Houston region and higher still in Central Texas. Demand on Monday reached 71,000 megawatts, a record for May. One megawatt is about enough electricity to power 200 homes on a hot day.

In the Houston area, the situation was complicated by a fire at the W.A. Parish power plant in Richmond. No one was injured in the fire, but it knocked a unit with a capacity to generate 610 megawatts out of operation.

The owner of the plant, Houston power company NRG, said it will begin an investigation of the fire’s cause and the extent of the damage to the unit once it is safe to enter. NRG did not have an estimate on when the unit will return to service. W.A. Parish has a total generating capacity of about 3,600 megawatts.

“NRG has a number of generating units across the state, and we are working to ensure that all of those units are up and running to provide power to the region,” the company said in a statement.
Above the cap

By 4:15 p.m., the wholesale price of power in most of the Houston region jumped above the maximum set by the Public Utility Commission after the February 2021 freeze. One power generator in northeast Harris County offered to sell power to the grid for $5,436.14 per megawatt-hour at 4:21 p.m., even though the price cap set by the PUC is $5,000 per megawatt-hour.

“The prices did go above, but only at certain resource nodes, not system wide,” ERCOT said in a statement. “The cap is an offer cap, not a price cap, and consequently congestion can push prices at certain resource nodes above the offer cap.”

Those high wholesale prices, however, will not lead to dramatically higher power bills for ratepayers, said Michael Lee, CEO of Octopus Energy’s U.S. operations. He said wholesale customers and electricity retailers settle on an average of a variety of broader prices. The wholesale prices reported by ERCOT represent what individual generators are paid through the system.

Retailers are no longer able to offer plans based solely on the wholesale power market after customers of companies such as Griddy received bills for thousands of dollars after the February 2021 freeze, when wholesale prices stayed at the previous cap of $9,000 per megawatt-hour for days. Octopus Energy once offered those types of plans but forgave the high bills after the freeze.

Now, Lee said, the vast majority of retail plans in Texas have fixed-rate components, giving customers more stability in their monthly bills. But if prices continue to spike throughout the year because of high wholesale prices, the costs of retail plans could also rise. He said the solution is building more generation in the state.

“We have so much (demand) growth from people moving to this wonderful state to live and create large manufacturing plants, but that’s creating a lot of natural usage on the grid,” Lee said. “The solution to high prices is to encourage (generation projects) to be processed on a faster time period. We have capital markets and developers ready to build these projects that we need.”

shelby.webb@chron.com

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Wholesale-pow
er-prices-hit-5K-per-megawatt-hour-17160821.php

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Friday, February 3, 2023 11:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Hmmmm...

Just imagine what the demand from 100 Million coal burning cars are going to do to the prices.

You people are irredeemably stupid.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 12:08 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Hmmmm...

Just imagine what the demand from 100 Million coal burning cars are going to do to the prices.

You people are irredeemably stupid.

“Bill Gates said we have to put a lot of money into miracle technologies,” Jacobson says. “But we don’t – we have the technologies that we need. We have wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, electric cars. We have batteries, heat pumps, energy efficiency. We have 95% of the technologies right now that we need to solve the problem.” The missing 5% is for long-distance aircraft and ships, he says, for which hydrogen-powered fuel cells can be developed.

Jacobson’s claim is a big one. He is not just talking about a shift to 100% renewable electricity, but all energy – and fossil fuels still provide about 80% of that today. Jacobson has scores of academic papers to his name and his work has been influential in policies passed by cities, states and countries around the world targeting 100% green power.

Jacobson divides approaches to the energy transition into two camps: “One says we should just try everything – they’re the ‘all-of-the-above camp’ – and keep investing huge amounts of money in technologies that may or may not be available to work in 10 years. But 10 years is too late.” Carbon emissions must fall by 45% by 2030, scientists agree, to keep on track for no more than 1.5C of global heating.

His camp takes a different approach, Jacobson says: “Let’s focus on what we have and deploy as fast as possible. And we will improve those technologies just by deploying, bringing better solar panels, batteries, electric vehicles and so on. Some people just don’t realise the speed that we need to solve these problems, especially air pollution – 7 million people die every year. We can’t wait.”

However, there are major barriers to a rapid rollout of a 100% renewable energy system, he says: “The No 1 barrier is that most people are not aware that it’s possible. My job is trying to educate the public about it. If people are actually comfortable that it’s possible to do, then they might actually do it.”

He adds: “The policy of all-of-the-above is also a big barrier to a transition. In the US, for example, in the recent [climate legislation], a lot of money was spent on carbon capture, small modular nuclear reactors, biofuels, blue hydrogen. These are all what I consider almost useless, or very low-use, technologies in terms of solving the problems. And yet, a lot of money is spent on them. Why? Because there are big lobby groups.”

More at https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/23/no-miracles-needed
-prof-mark-jacobson-on-how-wind-sun-and-water-can-power-the-world

Download Mark Z Jacobon’s books for free from mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.ink/search.php?req=Mark+Z+Jacobson

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, February 4, 2023 1:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

No. It is not possible with current technology. Especially if you're going to try to sell it without a single mention of nuclear power.

Jacobson is a grifter cunt.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 7:57 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. It is not possible with current technology. Especially if you're going to try to sell it without a single mention of nuclear power.

Jacobson is a grifter cunt.

I don't think the phrase "not possible with current technology" means what you think it means. You only need about 100 miles by 100 miles of land for the solar panels to power the entire United States. The batteries you would need to store the energy would require one square mile, so you have 24/7 power.

It is not like the awesome task of building a 3,520,000-story tall skyscraper ten thousand miles high with glass walls replaced by solar panels. That is "not possible with current technology". It is the more manageable task of building 10,000 square miles of warehouses only one story tall with solar panels on the roof.

How many square miles of solar panels would it take to power the U.S.? It’s smaller than you think
https://inovateus.com/how-many-square-miles-of-solar-panels-would-it-t
ake-to-power-the-u-s-its-smaller-than-you-think/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 10:06 AM

WHOZIT

AND! The drilling for the foundations of all those windmills off the NY and NJ shores may be killing whales.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 10:30 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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AND! The drilling for the foundations of all those windmills off the NY and NJ shores may be killing whales.

That idea came from Tucker Carlson, who is just making up crap he thinks will sell to dimwits who watch his show. You might not have watched, but you got that idea from somebody who did see Tucker:

Tucker Carlson’s Whale Blubber
https://slate.com/technology/2023/02/dead-whales-new-jersey-tucker-car
lson-wind-turbines-offshore-biden.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 10:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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AND! The drilling for the foundations of all those windmills off the NY and NJ shores may be killing whales.

Let's not forget that solar panels break down, the amount of rare materials you'd need to have 3rd world people slaving to mine, and the damage the mining does to the environment, the damage the disposal of the batteries does to the environment when they're toast (also with the cars).

Let's also not forget that when it comes to the solar panels HAIL is a thing that happens, and we just went 5 weeks without seeing the fuckin' sun around me.

Yeah. And let's put it all in a 100 mile by 100 mile grid and centralize the nation's electricity into one spot. That won't be rationed off and used as a political weapon.

And I'm sure you're going to be able to hide that from Google Maps and Chinese Spy Balloons.

Second is an idiot.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 1:59 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by whozit:
AND! The drilling for the foundations of all those windmills off the NY and NJ shores may be killing whales.

Let's not forget that solar panels break down, the amount of rare materials you'd need to have 3rd world people slaving to mine, and the damage the mining does to the environment, the damage the disposal of the batteries does to the environment when they're toast (also with the cars).

Let's also not forget that when it comes to the solar panels HAIL is a thing that happens, and we just went 5 weeks without seeing the fuckin' sun around me.

Yeah. And let's put it all in a 100 mile by 100 mile grid and centralize the nation's electricity into one spot. That won't be rationed off and used as a political weapon.

And I'm sure you're going to be able to hide that from Google Maps and Chinese Spy Balloons.

Second is an idiot.

Old Trumptards are still mourning that cars aren't built with carburetors. Fuel injection is too highfalutin for the old guys. And cars that burn unleaded gasoline aren't as good as fully lead-burning vehicles.

Thieves steal catalytic converters for precious metals. The same thievery will happen with electric cars. The EV rechargeable batteries aren't going to the dump. Even 12V lead batteries on internal combustion cars get recycled for their lead.

Old solar panels won't go into the dump, either. Those will be recycled for their material.

Whatever happens to old power plants in Indiana? Do they just let them rust away? Or do they cut the plants into scrap metal to create new machines and jobs?

I noticed that Trumptards hate what is new. They never understood the old technology, but at least it was familiar. They will never understand the newer stuff, which makes Trumptards oppose anything different than what Grandpa owned. I guess the "Get a horse!" syndrome afflicts peasants with no money.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 2:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Dude. I know how a smartphone runs because I've been a computer geek since the early 90's. Your dumb ass never even used a computer until they made them so easy to use that an idiot like you could operate it.

Your green energy dream is just a dream. There is zero chance that it can be put into use in a cost effective manner as it is right now. We're not even close to viability right now, and likely never will be if we don't start putting up nuclear plants to do all the heavy lifting because solar and wind power are nothing more than hobby projects in 2023.

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Sunday, February 5, 2023 12:56 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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. . . solar and wind power are nothing more than hobby projects in 2023.

Clean energy sources (wind, nuclear, solar) generated about 40% of electricity in Texas.

Wind was 25%
Solar was 6%
Nuclear was 10%

https://twitter.com/joshdr83/status/1615406893836472340

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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. . . solar and wind power are nothing more than hobby projects in 2023.
Clean energy sources (wind, nuclear, solar) generated about 40% of electricity in Texas.

Wind was 25%
Solar was 6%
Nuclear was 10%

https://twitter.com/joshdr83/status/1615406893836472340

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sure.

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Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:20 PM

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Sure.

Your argument crashed and burned that wind and solar are hobbies. Not in Texas. Wind and solar are 30% of the power in the state.

Texas leads the U.S. in wind installations, with 30.46 GW, and it’s second in solar energy, with 8.6 GW as of August 2022.

Solar and wind energy reduced wholesale energy costs in Texas by $7.4 billion in the first eight months of 2033, creating average monthly savings of $925 million.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/texas-solar-and-wind-resources-saved-
consumers-nearly-28-billion-over-12-y/634893/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, February 5, 2023 5:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

No it isn't.

And how did the little that you actually do have help out a few winters back?

The answer is not at all.

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Sunday, February 5, 2023 5:34 PM

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No it isn't.

And how did the little that you actually do have help out a few winters back?

The answer is not at all.

The nearest gas-fired electric generation from my house is NRG Cedar Bayou Generating Station 7705 W Bay Rd. It was shut down because it lost pressure in the natural gas supply line. The only lights on at the power plant were the red blinking lights on smokestacks, which run on batteries.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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