Per the CDC: We've reached Herd Immunity by 6IXSTRINGJACK

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It looks like JSF took his HIV/AIDS position in the 80's and Jack did when his age was in the single digits. That's a long time to make a point of not learning anything new. Obviously it's emotional responses driving that (and very 'youthful' ones at that), not an intellectual response.

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Thursday, September 16, 2021 4:37 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My point is that I'm not wrong.

Don't care how you think that effects any point you thought you were making.

But what if you're wrong?

You never seem to take that into account.

Someone refuses to admit that they might be wrong is someone refuses to learn.

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Thursday, September 16, 2021 8:53 PM

I'm not wrong. Not about this.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 8:12 AM

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TOTALLY BIASED "REPORTING"

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Why Does No One Ever Talk About Sweden Anymore?
Friday, Sep 17, 2021 - 03:30 AM
Via 'Unmasked" substack,

One of the most consistently repeated trends of COVID has been the premature declarations of victory from areas with a perceived level of “success” in “controlling” the pandemic.

It’s happened in countries all over the world — Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan, Australia, Mongolia — just to name a few examples. They all have been praised for their ability to “control” the virus with masks and public health measures, only to then see cases invariably skyrocket.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-does-no-one-ever-talk-about-swe
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Well, yes, We've heard much about Sweden.
At one time I compared Sweden to Finland and it nearest neighbor, demographically and geographically, Norway,

So, how DOES it stack up to other nations in terms of controlling Covid-19?

First of all, overall the sequence of peaks in cases and deaths doesn't match. There is an early peak in "deaths" UNACCOMPANIED for the most part by "cases" because the lack of test kits early on prevented a confirmed SARS-Cov2 infection, altho clinical picture and excess deaths support the attribution to Covid. After that, "cases" and "deaths" show the expected correlation.

SWEDEN'S basic numbers per 100,000
Cases, peaks: 73, 60, 10 (delta)
Deaths, peaks: early (before "cases") 1, midpoint 1.6, late (delta) near zero

AUSTRALIA
Cases: near zero thru the duration until (delta) when it rose to 7
Deaths: (early) 0.08, then near zero, currently (delta) 0.03

ISRAEL
Cases, three peaks, (early midoint) 70, (midpoint) 90, and (delta) 110
Deaths, (early midpoint) 0.4, (midpoint) 0.7, (delta) 0.3
NOTE: Israel missed the first wave of death

JAPAN
Cases: (midpoint) 5, (late midpoint) 4, (delta) 20 and dropping
Deaths (Midpoint) 0.08, (late midpoint) 0.08, (delta) 0.03
NOTE: Japan missed the first waves of death. Also, Japan's population is elderly

NORWAY
Cases (midpoint) 12, (late midpoint)17, (delta) 27
Deaths (early) 0.2 early, (midpoint) 0.1 (delta) near 0.
NOTE: Norway is Sweden's nearest geographic, cultural and demographic neighbor. Its death rate has been near zero except when otherwise noted.

VIETNAM
Cases: near zero until (delta), where it has leveled off at 13.
Deaths: appx 0.3 throughout

So, in terms of controlling Covid-19, Sweden has NOT done a fantastic job, and all of the other nations that this article tries to spin as "failures" have been more successful, some wildly so.

The authors COULD have argued that the economic price to pay for avoiding all of that suffering and death was too high. But that would have meant a messy argument about values, so they decided to be dishonest and spin the data instead.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 8:16 AM

There was no death-via-Covid here either, so there's that.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 8:31 AM

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EDITED TO ADD UNITED STATES per 100,000 (for comparison)

Cases: (early midpoint) 20, (midpoint) 70, 75*, (delta) 55
Deaths: (early) 0.7, (early midpoint) 0.3, (midpoint) 0.85, 1.1, (delta) 0.6

* The USA is geographically large and politically diverse, and had MANY "waves" of infections and deaths - some larger than others- as SARS-CoV2 spread into new areas. There were two more identifiable "waves" that I didn't mention because they weren't as significant.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 8:35 AM

And nobody died of the flu.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 12:59 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, in terms of controlling Covid-19, Sweden has NOT done a fantastic job, and all of the other nations that this article tries to spin as "failures" have been more successful, some wildly so.

The authors COULD have argued that the economic price to pay for avoiding all of that suffering and death was too high. But that would have meant a messy argument about values, so they decided to be dishonest and spin the data instead.

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I myself have read, and debunked to myself many such articles by either looking at referenced links or real-world data, or both. It drives me nuts when people write such obvious misinformation, when there's so much available global information and data.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 4:54 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There was no death-via-Covid here either, so there's that.

. Yep, and all of those nations, including Sweden (which handled Covid-19 in line with YOUR libertarian ideology, SIX!) are reporting illnesses and deaths just to mess with you.

Riiiight.

And you thought DT was on the crazy train!

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Friday, September 17, 2021 8:53 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There was no death-via-Covid here either, so there's that.
. Yep, and all of those nations, including Sweden (which handled Covid-19 in line with YOUR libertarian ideology, SIX!) are reporting illnesses and deaths just to mess with you.

Riiiight.

And you thought DT was on the crazy train!

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Why do you keep saying they're doing it to mess with me?

I've never once said that. I'm not buying it.

They're messing with you.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 9:25 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yeah, you merely dismiss all real-world data because you THINK the ENTIRE PLANET is trying to mess with you.

So instead, you're messing with yourself. And doing a fine job!

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Friday, September 17, 2021 10:32 PM

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6IXSTRINGJACK:
There was no death-via-Covid here either, so there's that.

SIGNY: Yep, and all of those nations, including Sweden (which handled Covid-19 in line with YOUR libertarian ideology, SIX!) are reporting illnesses and deaths just to mess with you.
Riiiight.
And you thought DT was on the crazy train!

SIX: Why do you keep saying they're doing it to mess with me?
I've never once said that. I'm not buying it.
They're messing with you.

Oh, "they're" messsing with me?

WHY?

Think this one thru (for a change) SIX:

What POSSIBLE motivation would - say- SWEDEN - have to convince me, and the rest of the world, that they have a Covid-19 problem if they didn't? ESPECIALLY since their manner of "dealing with it" (stay open, let the old folks die) only brought them a lot of worldwide criticism?

Wouldn't it be far easier for them to fudge the numbers DOWNWARDS? Make their numbers look more like - say- Vietnam's? Then they could boast Success!! Our approach not only saved the economy, it saved LIVES!

Another example: Iran. NOT in favor with the liberal west. WHY would they admit that their elder mullahs, their religious and cultural elite, were keeling over like bowling pins at a bowling alley when all it would get them would be back-of-hand sniggers Oh look, those religious anti-science nutjobs are getting sick because they didn't believe that Covid was a virus? Wouldn't it have been far easier for them to "reclassify" or ignore a whole bunch of illness and death so they could claim Success! Allah has struck down the infidel and protected the faithful!

I could - and have- already named several nations that have no internal political or foreign policy reasons to claim deaths that haven't occurred. There are, however, nations (like India) that have an interest in claiming success that hasn't happened.

You're interpreting the entire world as if it was Indianna.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 11:09 PM

They're messing with you because you are allowing them to mess with you.

It's nothing personal.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 11:31 PM

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No, they're* reporting illnesses and deaths which they* have no reason whatsoever to exaggerate, and I'm simply passing it on.

I have no idea what you're doing.

* Specific nations that have been harshly criticized, internally and externally (by "the west"), which would only come in for MORE criticism if they admitted to a serious Covid-19 problem.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Couple kicked out of restaurant for wearing masks. Well, a bar, really, with very loud music.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/couple-wore-masks-inside-texas-124846396.htm
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Wednesday, September 22, 2021 8:50 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"they chose to wear masks to protect Austin, who has cystic fibrosis and is immunocompromised" and they misunderstood the hostess who asked them to remove their masks, as per the owner's 'dress code'.

Crazy.

I thought those Texans were agin' anybody telling them what to do.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2021 9:59 PM

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"they chose to wear masks to protect Austin, who has cystic fibrosis and is immunocompromised" and they misunderstood the hostess who asked them to remove their masks, as per the owner's 'dress code'.

Crazy.

I thought those Texans were agin' anybody telling them what to do.

Haha. Love it.

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Thursday, September 23, 2021 3:27 AM

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So I guess the caveat on WHO has reached "herd immunity" was an important one, because ... yep, people are still getting infected and people are dying at the rate of about 2,000/day. A bit high to consider being at herd immunity, wouldn't you say?

Well, if we don't get anymore NEW variants then - unlike THUGR's "tick tock" threads - this thread will eventually be true. We just don't know when.

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Thursday, September 23, 2021 7:36 AM

No. There aren't 2,000 people per day dying of Covid.

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Thursday, September 23, 2021 7:54 AM

lol

That was 20 years ago.

Fauci is a cunt.

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Thursday, September 23, 2021 12:30 PM

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Whether Fauci is a cunt or not has nothng to do with the facts on the ground, SIX. Most of the nations of the world don't give a flying fuck what Fauci says or does, and even tho they have nothing to do with him they're still reporting Covid deaths.

You would know that if you weren't so invested in denying reality.

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Thursday, September 23, 2021 3:59 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Thinking about it, I'd say you're right Signy. Having risen from the start of this thread to roughly 2000 deaths/ day now, it's clear the US wasn't at 'herd immunity' when this thread was started, and still isn't now.

Maybe it'll turn the corner, but it hasn't yet.

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Thursday, September 23, 2021 7:41 PM

They can throw whatever numbers they want to out there.

The deaths aren't real.

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Monday, October 4, 2021 8:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

It looks like JSF took his HIV/AIDS position in the 80's and Jack did when his age was in the single digits. That's a long time to make a point of not learning anything new. Obviously it's emotional responses driving that (and very 'youthful' ones at that), not an intellectual response.

Looks like kiki swallowed the whole AIDS hoax, and religion, and Fauci-falsified fraud of hysteria, in the 80s, and has not learned anything since then, has not revisited her jumping to conclusions, has not opened her eyes to the incredulity opf the hoax she swallowed, but instead just kept believing in the Foundation Story, just like all cult followers do.

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Monday, October 4, 2021 8:50 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Thinking about it, I'd say you're right Signy. Having risen from the start of this thread to roughly 2000 deaths/ day now, it's clear the US wasn't at 'herd immunity' when this thread was started, and still isn't now.

Maybe it'll turn the corner, but it hasn't yet.

Right now, overall the USA is down about 25% "new cases" from it's Delta peak, and the new deaths have also turned down, albeit marginally.

When we're at about 10-20 new cases per day across the nation (not 2000, or 1500), I guess the virus has gotten as far as it's going to go. At that point, we've probably reached "herd immunity".

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Monday, October 4, 2021 9:21 PM