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Great: A President who cares more about corporations and citizens of other countries than Americans

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 2:34 AM

SIGNYM

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Biden To 'Immediately' Send Congress Bill That Would Offer Citizenship To 11 Million Illegals

President-elect Joe Biden will 'immediately' send a legislative package to Congress which would provide a pathway to citizenship for some 11 million illegal immigrants, according to the Los Angeles Times, https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-15/biden-to-send-cong
ress-bill-to-legalize-11-million-immigrants-who-lack-documentation
according to "immigrants rights activists in communication with the Biden-Harris transition team."

The bill would also provide a shorter pathway to citizenship for hundreds of thousands of people living in the United States under a temporary protected status and/or who qualify under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program who were brought into the US as children.

And in what the Times calls a "significant departure from many previous immigration bills under both Democratic and Republican administrations," the Biden plan would contain zero provisions for stepped-up immigration enforcement and security measures, according to Marielena Hincapié, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center Immigrant Justice Fund, who was informed of the details by Biden staffers.

Both Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris have said their legislative proposal would include a pathway to citizenship for millions of immigrants in the U.S. without legal status, and The Times has confirmed the bold opening salvo that the new administration plans in its first days doesn’t include the “security first” political concessions of past efforts.

Hincapié, who was co-chair of the Biden-Sanders Unity Task Force on Immigration — part of Biden’s outreach to his top primary rival, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, and his progressive base — said that Biden’s decision to not prioritize additional enforcement measures was probably a result of lessons learned from the Obama administration’s failed attempt to appease Republicans by backing tighter immigration enforcement in hopes of gaining their support for immigration relief. -Los Angeles Times


"On Inauguration Day, President-elect Biden will sign roughly a dozen actions to combat the four crises, restore humanity to our immigration system, and make government function for the people," reads a Saturday memo by incoming Biden chief of staff, Ron Klain, who said the incoming president's agenda included "the immigration bill he will send to Congress on his first day in office."

If Republicans don’t stop this in the Senate, it’s GG for the GOP https://t.co/LEE5OkqqpD
— Jack Posobiec ???? (@JackPosobiec) January 16, 2021

Under BIden's plan - the most sweeping and comprehensive since President Regan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act granting some 3 million people legal status (after which California flipped blue), immigrants would be eligible for legal permanent residence after five years, and US citizenship after three more years.

Several immigration activists who spoke with The Times praised the reported scope and scale of the bill and expressed surprise at its ambition. A number of legislators and analysts had predicted that the new administration, at least in its first months in power, would be likely to pursue immigration measures that would stir the least controversy and could be achieved by executive actions rather than legislation. -LA Times

Will it pass?

Given the sweeping changes, Democrats are likely to face serious pushback despite holding slim majorities in both chambers of Congress - and the bill will likely face months of political debate as conservative members and immigration hard-liners push back.

Meanwhile, Texas Democratic Rep. Juaquin Castro said in a Friday call with reporters that he's formulating a bill which would offer illegals immediate protection from deportation and a fast-tracked path to citizenship for essential workers who are undocumented.

"It’s time for essential workers to no longer be treated as disposable, but to be celebrated and welcomed as American citizens," said Castro, adding "If your labor feeds, builds and cares for our nation, you have earned the right to stay here with full legal protection, free from fear of deportation."

And look at this - just in time:

A Honduran migrant caravan is heading to the United States.

Arriving just in time for Joe Biden’s inauguration.

This is the future Democrats’ voted for.

pic.twitter.com/sKy8NHJfkJ
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 15, 2021


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 3:08 AM

WISHIMAY


Now it's RACIAL fearmongering, TOO.

Didn't get your fill of nonsense fearmongering today??






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Sunday, January 17, 2021 3:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Illegal is a race?

When did that happen?

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 3:51 AM

SIGNYM

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Illegal is a race?

When did that happen?

Only in WISHY's head, because, in there, EVERYTHING is about race. She can't think of anything else. That makes her the biggest racist on the board.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 5:47 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Refresh my memory: were your parents Americans, or were they from other countries?

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 6:15 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Refresh my memory: is there a difference between entering the US legally v entering it illegally?


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 7:26 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Refresh my memory: is there a difference between entering the US legally v entering it illegally?




One is legal and one is illegal? [ / snark ] Gawd, SpeedBump, you sure do need a lot of hand holding.

“Under BIden's plan - the most sweeping and comprehensive since President Regan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act granting some 3 million people legal status (after which California flipped blue), immigrants would be eligible for legal permanent residence after five years, and US citizenship after three more years.“

Back to the thread title (until SIG changes it) it says:

“Great: A President who cares more about corporations and citizens of other countries than Americans”

How about you? Were your parents Americans? Or citizens of other countries?

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM

WHOZIT


Now that the Dems are the party of big business their donors need that cheap labor.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 9:00 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by whozit:
Now that the Dems are the party of big business their donors need that cheap labor.

I checked. The US already has 44 million living in poverty and another 93.6 million more live close to poverty. There's the cheap labor force and it doesn't require illegal immigration to tap that force. It's American Citizens. But I note that the GOP party platform does not call for an end to poverty. Ending would also end the cheap labor force.
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts

What are the 25 lowest paying jobs in the US?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/04/04/25-lowest-paying-jobs-
in-us-2019-includes-cooking-cleaning/39264277
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100 lowest-paying jobs in America
https://stacker.com/stories/1417/lowest-paying-jobs-america

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 9:13 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Ahead of the 2016 elections, the Republican presidential candidate pledged a “deportation force” that would remove millions of unauthorized immigrants. “We have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally. They will go out,” he claimed during one primary debate.

How many millions did Trump deport? Zero. Click the article to see how badly Trump performed despite all the bragging and border wall building.



https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/trump-deportations-unfinished-
mission


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 9:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You'll never end the cheap labor force as long as we're letting people in illegally by the millions and outsourcing jobs.

Once they put AI trucks on the roads, that will be another 20 million jobs lost.


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 9:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Ahead of the 2016 elections, the Republican presidential candidate pledged a “deportation force” that would remove millions of unauthorized immigrants. “We have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally. They will go out,” he claimed during one primary debate.

How many millions did Trump deport? Zero.



https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/trump-deportations-unfinished-
mission


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Until Covid derailed everything, the media said every single day that he was racist for even suggesting it.

I understand that was a long time ago now and your brain can't remember what happened last week.


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 9:33 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You'll never end the cheap labor force as long as we're letting people in illegally by the millions and outsourcing jobs.

Once they put AI trucks on the roads, that will be another 20 million jobs lost.

I think you might understand that rich Republicans aren't in business to create well-paying jobs for anybody who is not their relatives. Either the Federal Government does the creating or it won't be done. Rich people will NEVER voluntarily pay well. Rich people have to be FORCED to pay well, either by their unionized employees or by the government. Rich people in competition with other Rich people understand that they set the level of wages when employees and government won't. Wage level has no connection to immigration. Never has, never will. Nobody but the Rich seem to understand what is completely obvious, but instead blame anyone except the Rich. Read a book on Economics and you will discover the Economy does not work the way you think it works. The books are free:

https://libgen.unblockit.ltd/search.php?req=Economics+Wells+Krugman

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 9:39 AM

REAVERFAN


Please ignore the Russian troll who is an enemy of the United States and wants our country destroyed.

Stop wasting time on this evil cunt.

Kill yourself, Russian troll.



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Sunday, January 17, 2021 9:40 AM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Refresh my memory: were your parents Americans, or were they from other countries?

They're both Russians. Siggy has never lived anywhere but Russia.



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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Please ignore the Russian troll who is an enemy of the United States and wants our country destroyed.

Stop wasting time on this evil cunt.

Kill yourself, Russian troll.

I think the Russians are correct at pointing at how badly run America is. I think the Russians are extremely clever at blaming the wrong people. That is the whole Russian plan! The Russians want America to run badly and the best way to keep that happening is to blame the wrong people.

From my dealings with Trumptards, they are incapable of ever understanding why things are wrong. They can't do it in their personal lives. They can't do it at work. They can't when they vote. The Russians know this about the 1/3rd of Americans who voted for Trump. That 1/3rd are the people who can't do this or that or understand what the hell is wrong with themselves. If is both sad and shocking to watch Trumptards try to succeed in life, but keep failing because they keep crashing head first into obstacles rather than going around like a normal sane person would.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You'll never end the cheap labor force as long as we're letting people in illegally by the millions and outsourcing jobs.

Once they put AI trucks on the roads, that will be another 20 million jobs lost.

I think you might understand that rich Republicans aren't in business to create well-paying jobs for anybody who is not their relatives. Either the Federal Government does the creating or it won't be done. Rich people will NEVER voluntarily pay well. Rich people have to be FORCED to pay well, either by their unionized employees or by the government. Rich people in competition with other Rich people understand that they set the level of wages when employees and government won't. Wage level has no connection to immigration. Never has, never will. Nobody but the Rich seem to understand what is completely obvious, but instead blame anyone except the Rich. Read a book on Economics and you will discover the Economy does not work the way you think it works. The books are free:

https://libgen.unblockit.ltd/search.php?req=Economics+Wells+Krugman

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Free ain't cheap enough. You couldn't get me to read two sentences with Krugman's name on them if you paid me a livable wage.




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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:16 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You couldn't get me to read two sentences with Krugman's name on them if you paid me a livable wage.



You don't have to brag about being ignorant - believe me, it shows.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:18 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by whozit:
Now that the Dems are the party of big business their donors need that cheap labor.



As expected... ^a big fat nothing.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:22 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Free ain't cheap enough. You couldn't get me to read two sentences with Krugman's name on them if you paid me a livable wage.

Find another free economics book. There are a million of them. Or be an obstinate blockhead who refuses to understand the simplest thing that every rich person in the world knows about America -- wages are set by rich Americans in competition with other rich Americans for employees/slaves, not by how many unemployed are legal/illegal in America. It is a really simple mathematical idea that most Trumptards can never wrap their minds around.

All the free books with Economics in the title:
https://libgen.unblockit.ltd/search.php?req=Economics

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Free ain't cheap enough. You couldn't get me to read two sentences with Krugman's name on them if you paid me a livable wage.

Find another free economics book. There are a million of them. Or be an obstinate blockhead who refuses to understand the simplest thing that every rich person in the world knows about America -- wages are set by rich Americans in competition with other rich Americans for employees/slaves, not by how many unemployed are legal/illegal in America. It is a really simple mathematical idea that most Trumptards can never wrap their minds around.

All the free books with Economics in the title:
https://libgen.unblockit.ltd/search.php?req=Economics

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




I aced Economics in college.

I'm good.




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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Ya know, Second.

For a guy who made hundreds of millions of dollars through 4 years of Trump tax breaks alone, you sure do pirate a LOT of stuff.

;)


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I aced Economics in college.

I'm good.

Do you think that there will be more jobs and wages will increase if there were fewer illegal workers? That isn't how it works.

If rich Americans crash the economy, either deliberately by gambling or accidentally, also by gambling, the rich can destroy jobs. The rich lose a tiny fraction of their wealth and the employed lose 100% of their wages. It is not a well run system when rich Americans can pretty much destroy any number of jobs without actually inconveniencing themselves. But the rich prefer that to paying the consequences for everybody else. Either the government makes the rich pay for what they did or else you get a system just like America with 1/3rd of Americans poor or close to poor. The system can keep working this way by falsely blaming illegal aliens and foreign workers instead of the rich.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I aced Economics in college.

I'm good.

Do you think that there will be more jobs and wages will increase if there were fewer illegal workers? That isn't how it works.



It is how it works.

It's only one of the problems though.


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ya know, Second.

For a guy who made hundreds of millions of dollars through 4 years of Trump tax breaks alone, you sure do pirate a LOT of stuff.

It makes me feel like space pirate/criminal. Do you think Jayne or Badger or Adelai Niska pay Disney for Pixar cartoons like Soul? I think not: https://1337x.unblockit.ltd/search/Soul+2020/1/ (the final / is important if you don't want '404 Not Found')

The heroic businessman Adelai Niska creating good-paying jobs for the unemployed: https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Adelai_Niska
Once you understand Niska vs Mal, you don't need an Economics textbook to understand honest rich people versus their noncriminal employees. The dynamics of give and take are the same.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:26 PM

SIGNYM

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whozit:
Now that the Dems are the party of big business their donors need that cheap labor.

CAPTAINNZILCH: As expected... I'm a big fat nothing.

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Big Tech and CEOs Poured Millions Into The Election. Here’s Who They Supported
By Sissi Cao and Jordan Zakarin • 11/02/20 12:52pm

... After years of cordial but largely distant relations between Washington, DC and the tech industry, controversial business tactics, accusations of bias, and activism during the Black Lives Matter movement have put giants of Silicon Valley have become front and center in American politics. That profits have soared while the rest of the American economy has struggled throughout the COVID-19 recession has only created more tension. It’s also allowed the big tech companies and their executives to spend a whole lot of money on Tuesday’s elections.

Below, we dive into the big donations from these companies, their employees and their CEOs, which have soared past $50 million this election cycle.
Alphabet

Total contribution: $21 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden, Democrat super PACs
Google’s parent company Alphabet is one of the largest corporate donors during the 2020 election cycle. The company’s employees and PACs have contributed a total of $21 million to presidential and congressional candidates since 2019. Nearly 80 percent of the funds went to Democrats, while just 7 percent went to Republicans. $3.66 million went to the Joe Biden campaign....


Microsoft
Total contribution: $17 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden, Democrat super PACs
Also a major donor in the 2020 election season, Microsoft’s PACs and employees shelled out a total $17 million to presidential and congressional candidates through individual and PAC donations. Three quarters of Microsoft’s funds went to Democrats, and 14 percent went to Republicans....

Amazon
Total contribution: $8.9 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden
The e-commerce giant contributed $8.9 million through individual and PAC donors to federal candidates. ...


Facebook
Total contribution: $6 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden
Employees and PACs affiliated with Facebook donated a total of $6 million during the 2020 election cycle. More than 92 percent of the funds came from individuals. Mirroring Google’s and Microsoft’s partisan splits, Facebook spent nearly 80 percent of the funds on Democrats ...

Apple
Total contribution: $5.7 million
Top recipients: Joe Biden
... About a quarter of the funds ($1.4 million) went to Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders and the DNC trail as the second and third largest beneficiaries, receiving $389,000 and $295,000 respectively.
CEO Tim Cook has not donated to any candidates this year, but did give $236,100 to help Hillary Clinton in 2016.


Netflix
Total contribution: $5.42 million
Top recipients: Democrat super PACs
... Co-CEO Reed Hastings has been a huge Democratic Party booster this cycle. In September, he donated $1 million to Senate Majority PAC, the party’s main US Senate fundraising vehicle, along with another $1 million in June. Hastings has also been very supportive of VoteVets, a PAC supporting military veterans running for office as Democrats, to the tune of $180,000 donated, and was a big backer of Democratic presidential candidates Pete Buttigieg and John Hickenlooper when they ran for the nomination last winter.


Twitter
Total contribution: $689,000
Top recipients: Joe Biden



https://observer.com/2020/11/big-tech-2020-presidential-election-donat
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DNC AND RNC AWASH WITH CASH FROM CORPORATE DONORS

The big bucks sponsorship packages raise sticky questions for both parties as organizers go after major donors to raise money

Last modified on Tue 15 Dec 2020 09.34 EST

Next year’s national political conventions, where Donald Trump and the winner of the Democratic primaries will be enshrined as their parties’ candidates in the 2020 presidential election, will be awash with corporate cash from donors seeking access, their marketing plans reveal.

Organizers of both the Republican and Democratic National Conventions are going after major corporate donors appealing for huge lump sums as they scramble to raise the money needed to bankroll the made-for-television events.

Fundraising materials show that both parties are hoping to lure $1m donations from corporations and wealthy individuals in exchange for access and advertising opportunities.

The big bucks sponsorship packages raise potentially sticky questions for both parties... The scale of the parties’ ambitions is disclosed in marketing materials provided to the Guardian by Documented, a watchdog group that investigates how corporations manipulate public policy.

The host committee for the Republican National Convention pitches its offering in the most enticing language, having set itself a total target of $70m to pay for the bonanza. It promises that “for corporate donors, the sponsorship opportunities can be incredibly valuable”. It lists a range of inducements at the RNC which will showcase Trump’s re-election bid in Charlotte, North Carolina, between 24 and 27 August.

Not only will companies have the chance to project their brands in front of up to 50,000 participants at the convention, including 15,000 members of the global media, but they can also customise packages to their corporate needs “to ensure your convention experience is both enjoyable and beneficial”.

Top-tier sponsors, making a tax-deductible donation of $1m or more, will get VIP access at the convention as well as seats at an “exclusive campaign briefing with 2020 campaign leadership”.

The Democratic National Convention, where the party’s presidential candidate will be nominated, will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, from 13 to 16 July. Its host committee has also set itself a target of $70m, though that would be further supplemented by $20m from the Democratic National Convention Committee (DNCC).

Fundraising brochures put out by the host organisation Milwaukee 2020 similarly sets out a tiered approach with the top level lauded as “gold” donors contributing at least $1m each. For that largesse they are promised select advertising opportunities, VIP access and hospitality and tickets to host committee parties.

... That [SANDER'S "PEOPLE POWERED" CAMPAIGN MESSAGE] would appear to conflict with the message being handed out by DNCC officials who have been telling potential donors and lobbyists that their money would be welcomed no matter who the eventual nominee is. As Politico has reported, the DNCC’s chief executive, Joe Solmonese, has taken the view that the event needs to be funded well in advance, with the use of corporate dollars, no matter who is victorious in the Democratic primaries.

“We can’t know and try to, nor can I ever suggest that we ever try to, bend this towards any one candidate’s philosophy,” Solmonese told the news site.

Though the Democrats have a more progressive stance on big money in politics than the modern Republican party, they are by no means immune to the stresses and contradictions that come from welcoming large amounts of corporate cash into their coffers.

The Open Secrets database that tracks money in US politics calculated that almost three-quarters of the $70m raised for the Philadelphia Democratic National Convention that nominated Hillary Clinton in 2016 was raised from just 17 sources.

Among those mega-donors were Facebook, the telecoms company AT&T and health insurer Independence Blue Cross which all gave $1.5m each, and American Airlines and Bank of America donating $1m each. JB Pritzker, the current Democratic governor of Illinois whose fortune comes from the Pritzker family’s ownership of the Hyatt hotel chain, gave a personal donation of $1.3m



MORE AT https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/23/revealed-rnc-dnc-corpo
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
FIFY

In Russia, Citizens United is unknown. After this (5 Republicans against 4 Democrats) decision, corporations and unions can spend unlimited sums of money on ads and other communications designed to support or oppose a candidate.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/campaign-finance
-and-the-supreme-court.aspx


Citizens United is the H-bomb in elections. Once the Supreme Court made this decision, which every Democrat opposed, the Democrats couldn't unilaterally disarm themselves because the Republicans would nuke them in every election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:52 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Citizens United needs to be overturned. In fact, the whole "corporate personhood" ... which has never been written into law or even a verdict from the Supreme Court, it was a headnote written by a court reporter

Quote:

But it wasn’t until the 1886 case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Rail Road that the Court appeared to grant a corporation the same rights as an individual under the 14th Amendment. The case is remembered less for the decision itself—the state had improperly assessed taxes to the railroad company—than for a headnote added to it by the court reporter at the time, which quoted Chief Justice Morrison Waite as saying: “The Court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution which forbids a state to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws applies to these corporations. We are all of opinion that it does.”

https://www.history.com/news/14th-amendment-corporate-personhood-made-
corporations-into-people


But since corporations represent extreme concentrations of wealth, and they pick and choose candidates, you will not find the stomach in either party for limiting the rights of corporations.

As an aside, please note that all of the big tech companies either donated directly, had their chief officers donate directly, or bundled contributions from their employees (or all three) to JOE BIDEN.

That was the basis of my prediction that we will NEVER see their monopoly power broken, or see Section 230 applied against them.



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Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But since corporations represent extreme concentrations of wealth, and they pick and choose candidates, you will not find the stomach in either party for limiting the rights of corporations.

As an aside, please note that all of the big tech companies either donated directly, had their chief officers donate directly, or bundled contributions from their employees (or all three) to JOE BIDEN.

There has been Campaign Finance Reform laws passed ( The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (BCRA) of 2002, also known as "McCain-Feingold" is the most recent major federal law affecting campaign finance ) but the Republicans on the Supreme Court, vaguely sensing political advantage for the GOP, killed it against the carefully reasoned opinions written by Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_reform_in_the_United_St
ates


The Corporations donated to Biden because Trump is a crazy fool. It is no more complicated than Trump is hopelessly incompetent and extremely dangerous to life, unlike Mike Pence or Biden. Any competent CEO can see what is wrong with Trump. No Trumptards can see.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 5:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Refresh my memory: is there a difference between entering the US legally v entering it illegally?



Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:

One is legal and one is illegal? [ / snark ] Gawd, SpeedBump, you sure do need a lot of hand holding.

“Under Biden's plan - the most sweeping and comprehensive since President Regan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act granting some 3 million people legal status (after which California flipped blue), immigrants would be eligible for legal permanent residence after five years, and US citizenship after three more years.“

Back to the thread title (until SIG changes it) it says:

“Great: A President who cares more about corporations and citizens of other countries than Americans”

How about you? Were your parents Americans? Or citizens of other countries?



So ... you have no answer for why changing the law to REWARD PEOPLE FOR ILLEGAL ENTRY is equal justice compared to those who waited their turn in line, and jumped through all the hoops AHEAD OF TIME to gain LEGAL ENTRY to the US.

As for the thread title: "citizens of other countries" you seem confused about the status of those who made LEGAL ENTRY into the US. They can get a "GREEN CARD" which allows them legal permanent residence, and is the first step to US citizenship. They're still citizens of their home country (and many will STILL be citizens of their home country even after acquiring US citizenship because many countries permit dual citizenship). BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A SPECIAL STATUS IN THE US ...

... because, you know, THEY FOLLOWED THE LAW AND THE LAW GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO LEGALLY RESIDE HERE.

That's as opposed to those who made ILLEGAL entry who have NO RIGHT to be here at all.




If I can clear up any more of your abundant confusion, let me know. But I'm afraid I have no remedy for your complete dishonesty.





CC is an idiot. It's that simple.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 7:27 PM

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... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Refresh my memory: is there a difference between entering the US legally v entering it illegally?



Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:

One is legal and one is illegal? [ / snark ] Gawd, SpeedBump, you sure do need a lot of hand holding.

“Under Biden's plan - the most sweeping and comprehensive since President Regan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act granting some 3 million people legal status (after which California flipped blue), immigrants would be eligible for legal permanent residence after five years, and US citizenship after three more years.“

Back to the thread title (until SIG changes it) it says:

“Great: A President who cares more about corporations and citizens of other countries than Americans”

How about you? Were your parents Americans? Or citizens of other countries?



So ... you have no answer for why changing the law to REWARD PEOPLE FOR ILLEGAL ENTRY is equal justice compared to those who waited their turn in line, and jumped through all the hoops AHEAD OF TIME to gain LEGAL ENTRY to the US.

As for the thread title: "citizens of other countries" you seem confused about the status of those who made LEGAL ENTRY into the US. They can get a "GREEN CARD" which allows them legal permanent residence, and is the first step to US citizenship. They're still citizens of their home country (and many will STILL be citizens of their home country even after acquiring US citizenship because many countries permit dual citizenship). BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A SPECIAL STATUS IN THE US ...

... because, you know, THEY FOLLOWED THE LAW AND THE LAW GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO LEGALLY RESIDE HERE.

That's as opposed to those who made ILLEGAL entry who have NO RIGHT to be here at all.

If I can clear up any more of your abundant confusion, let me know. But I'm afraid I have no remedy for your complete dishonesty.

Hello, my name is Karen, and I’m really simple.



You’re right, I am confused. Let me try again: Were your parents Americans or citizens of another country?

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



They were AMERICANS - legal citizens of the US.

Any more questions about their status?

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



NOW, let's get back to your confusion about the difference between people who enter the country illegally and have no legal rights to be here, v people who are here legally, on the path to citizenship ...
... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.


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Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:14 PM

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Capital FUCK no.

How's that?




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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:35 AM

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... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

NOW, let's get back to your confusion about the difference between people who enter the country illegally and have no legal rights to be here, v people who are here legally, on the path to citizenship ...
... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.




Awww, KIKI? Did you come back and erase most of your original, mostly all caps hysterical rant?

No worries - time to let you and Jack and the other harpy twist for a while.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Who's twisting?

I'm pissed ... at Biden, for pissing on Americans, and at you for lying AGAIN and misrpresenting my reaction as "racism" or as some sort of "injustice".

A nation HAS to control its borders. Even with ... no, ESPECIALLY WITH ...the best of intentions, any economy and culture can only absorb and provide for so many immigrants per year. Immigrants, if they don't come with language skills and training, need all kinds of support.

But we don't even provide that kind of support for our own citizens, so until we take care of ourselves FIRST, why should we sacrifice American tax dollars to support citizens of other countries? (It's not like these people don't have their own native countries in which they have citizenships and homes.)

AFA solving the problems south of our border, the best we can do is LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE. Stop stepping in supporting their local oligarchs and juntas, and let them find their own way to peace and justice. If we stopped stirring things up and trying to destablize leaders that we don't approve of, eventually the people will create a stable state.



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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

1KIKI:

NOW, let's get back to your confusion about the difference between people who enter the country illegally and have no legal rights to be here, v people who are here legally, on the path to citizenship ...
... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.

CAPTAINZILCH

Awww, KIKI? Did you come back and erase most of your original, mostly all caps hysterical rant?

Oh BTW... I've been checking this thread from time to time, and I haven't seen ANY "hysterical rant". And if there HAD been one, it would have been extremely easy for you to memorialize it by "reply with quote".

So given your history of repeatedly lying and misrepresenting what others have posted, I wouldn't be surprised if this was yet another LIE. And, no, you DON'T deserve the benefit of doubt. Given your well-established history, I assume everything you post is a lie.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

They were AMERICANS - legal citizens of the US.

Any more questions about their status?



Your parents are from Poland, you said so once. You explained your family was kicked out of Poland and ended up in England. Where, surprise surprise, they were kicked out of their as well. Let's see, where’d you go from there. Oh yeah New York then California.

And that explains your Polish Russian Collaborator identifier.


T



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Monday, January 18, 2021 11:33 AM

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Geez you're demented, Ted.


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Monday, January 18, 2021 1:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Your parents are from Poland, you said so once. You explained your family was kicked out of Poland and ended up in England. Where, surprise surprise, they were kicked out of their as well. Let's see, where’d you go from there. Oh yeah New York then California.

Nope, you got that wrong, THUGGER.

Go back and read what I posted.


Assuming you can read English.

Assuming you're an American.


Living in America.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 1:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Your parents are from Poland, you said so once. You explained your family was kicked out of Poland and ended up in England. Where, surprise surprise, they were kicked out of their as well. Let's see, where’d you go from there. Oh yeah New York then California.

Nope, you got that wrong, THUGGER.

Go back and read what I posted.
Assuming you can read English.
Assuming you're an American.
Living in America.

I love it when THUGR gets all huffy about something he's completely misunderstood.

It's always good for a guffaw.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 1:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

NOW, let's get back to your confusion about the difference between people who enter the country illegally and have no legal rights to be here, v people who are here legally, on the path to citizenship ...
... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.


Quote:

Originally posted by CeeCee:

Awww, KIKI? Did you come back and erase most of your original, mostly all caps hysterical rant?

No worries - time to let you and Jack and the other harpy twist for a while.


Awww CeeCee - did you stop beating your 'wife' yet?

So ... ... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.



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Monday, January 18, 2021 2:21 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

NOW, let's get back to your confusion about the difference between people who enter the country illegally and have no legal rights to be here, v people who are here legally, on the path to citizenship ...
... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.


Quote:

Originally posted by CeeCee:

Awww, KIKI? Did you come back and erase most of your original, mostly all caps hysterical rant?

No worries - time to let you and Jack and the other harpy twist for a while.


Awww CeeCee - did you stop beating your 'wife' yet?

So ... ... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.





So if you don't like it Polish Russian Collaborator kiki, fuck you and tough shit. Biden's president now. Your Sig and Jacks racist bigoted hero is gone.

T



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Monday, January 18, 2021 3:02 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

1KIKI:NOW, let's get back to your confusion about the difference between people who enter the country illegally and have no legal rights to be here, v people who are here legally, on the path to citizenship ...
... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.

CAPTNZILCH: Originally posted by CeeCee:
Awww, KIKI? Did you come back and erase most of your original, mostly all caps hysterical rant?
No worries - time to let you and Jack and the other harpy twist for a while.

KIKI: Awww CeeCee - did you stop beating your 'wife' yet?
So ... ... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.


THUGR: So if you don't like it Polish Russian Collaborator kiki, fuck you and tough shit. Biden's president now. Your Sig and Jacks racist bigoted hero is gone.

T



Jeezus, you justcan't stop putting your trust in liars, can you, THUGR?

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Monday, January 18, 2021 3:39 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

NOW, let's get back to your confusion about the difference between people who enter the country illegally and have no legal rights to be here, v people who are here legally, on the path to citizenship ...
... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.


Quote:

Originally posted by CeeCee:

Awww, KIKI? Did you come back and erase most of your original, mostly all caps hysterical rant?

No worries - time to let you and Jack and the other harpy twist for a while.


Awww CeeCee - did you stop beating your 'wife' yet?

So ... ... should people who are here illegally, who have no rights to live here at all, who followed no rules to enter, and are on no path to citizenship, have the same rights as people who followed all the rules and are on the path to citizenship?

A simple yes or no will do.




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Monday, January 18, 2021 3:53 PM

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The Left is going to have huge problems incoming if they keep purposefully conflating Nationalism with racism.


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Monday, January 18, 2021 7:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AS PREDICTED
Quote:

Biden To 'Immediately' Send Congress Bill That Would Offer Citizenship To 11 Million Illegals

President-elect Joe Biden will 'immediately' send a legislative package to Congress which would provide a pathway to citizenship for some 11 million illegal immigrants, according to the Los Angeles Times, https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-15/biden-to-send-cong
ress-bill-to-legalize-11-million-immigrants-who-lack-documentation
according to "immigrants rights activists in communication with the Biden-Harris transition team."

The bill would also provide a shorter pathway to citizenship for hundreds of thousands of people living in the United States under a temporary protected status and/or who qualify under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program who were brought into the US as children.

And in what the Times calls a "significant departure from many previous immigration bills under both Democratic and Republican administrations," the Biden plan would contain zero provisions for stepped-up immigration enforcement and security measures, according to Marielena Hincapié, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center Immigrant Justice Fund, who was informed of the details by Biden staffers.

Both Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris have said their legislative proposal would include a pathway to citizenship for millions of immigrants in the U.S. without legal status, and The Times has confirmed the bold opening salvo that the new administration plans in its first days doesn’t include the “security first” political concessions of past efforts.

Hincapié, who was co-chair of the Biden-Sanders Unity Task Force on Immigration — part of Biden’s outreach to his top primary rival, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, and his progressive base — said that Biden’s decision to not prioritize additional enforcement measures was probably a result of lessons learned from the Obama administration’s failed attempt to appease Republicans by backing tighter immigration enforcement in hopes of gaining their support for immigration relief. -Los Angeles Times


"On Inauguration Day, President-elect Biden will sign roughly a dozen actions to combat the four crises, restore humanity to our immigration system, and make government function for the people," reads a Saturday memo by incoming Biden chief of staff, Ron Klain, who said the incoming president's agenda included "the immigration bill he will send to Congress on his first day in office."

If Republicans don’t stop this in the Senate, it’s GG for the GOP https://t.co/LEE5OkqqpD
— Jack Posobiec ???? (@JackPosobiec) January 16, 2021

Under BIden's plan - the most sweeping and comprehensive since President Regan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act granting some 3 million people legal status (after which California flipped blue), immigrants would be eligible for legal permanent residence after five years, and US citizenship after three more years.

Several immigration activists who spoke with The Times praised the reported scope and scale of the bill and expressed surprise at its ambition. A number of legislators and analysts had predicted that the new administration, at least in its first months in power, would be likely to pursue immigration measures that would stir the least controversy and could be achieved by executive actions rather than legislation. -LA Times

Will it pass?

Given the sweeping changes, Democrats are likely to face serious pushback despite holding slim majorities in both chambers of Congress - and the bill will likely face months of political debate as conservative members and immigration hard-liners push back.

Meanwhile, Texas Democratic Rep. Juaquin Castro said in a Friday call with reporters that he's formulating a bill which would offer illegals immediate protection from deportation and a fast-tracked path to citizenship for essential workers who are undocumented.

"It’s time for essential workers to no longer be treated as disposable, but to be celebrated and welcomed as American citizens," said Castro, adding "If your labor feeds, builds and cares for our nation, you have earned the right to stay here with full legal protection, free from fear of deportation."

And look at this - just in time:

A Honduran migrant caravan is heading to the United States.

Arriving just in time for Joe Biden’s inauguration.

This is the future Democrats’ voted for.

pic.twitter.com/sKy8NHJfkJ
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 15, 2021


And you just caught on to this now? What was your first clue?

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