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So..5 people are dead as a result of Chumps stunts to avoid prosecution and litigations

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 5:07 AM

WISHIMAY


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/06/dc-protests-live
-updates-trump-supporters-electoral-college-proud-boys/4126018001
/
Thousands of rioters had gathered at the National Mall to protest the election results. At a campaign-style rally about an hour before the mob broke through police lines at the Capitol, Trump had urged them to go to the building.

D.C. Police Chief Robert Contee said the chaotic day included four fatalities: a woman who was shot by the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as three others — two men and one woman — who died in “separate medical emergencies.” Police had made "in excess of 52 arrests," including 26 on U.S. Capitol grounds, he said.







Were any of these people standing on 5th Avenue??


They really wouldn't BE dead if he hadn't been pushing this fake "stolen election" crap. Doesn't that make him responsible??

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 5:32 AM

REAVERFAN


If they were black, thousands would be dead.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
If they were black, thousands would be dead.





Ain't that the truth.


Oh... you meant.... lol


Nah. If the four people who died were black, thousands would be dead now.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:36 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
If they were black, thousands would be dead.





Ain't that the truth.


Oh... you meant.... lol


Nah. If the four people who died were black, thousands would be dead now.


Sit down and shut up, mindless nobody.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nope and nope.



The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:46 AM

REAVERFAN


Mindless nobody screams into the ether.^

Low IQ, uneducated. Wants to kill non-whites. Trumptard.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 7:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Who's screaming?

FIFY: Extremely high IQ, self educated, non-violent. Patriot.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:59 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
FIFY: Extremely selfish, uneducated, non-violent. Patriot (Q-Anon pledge), Proud to be the Dumbest Fuck on FFF.NET)



FIFY

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:15 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

If they were black, thousands would be dead.




Wasn't it a black lives matters march at the capital where Trump called out the troops, then walked to the church? Remember how many cops, national guard and actual acting military were there? I remember them standing on the capital steps. Every step of the capital was full. It was like a city wide lockdown. The demonstrators were peaceful yet they got attacked for even being there.

Am I remembering this correctly? Maybe comrades Signym and kiki can help us out here?

T



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:43 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

If they were black, thousands would be dead.




Wasn't it a black lives matters march at the capital where Trump called out the troops, then walked to the church? Remember how many cops, national guard and actual acting military were there? I remember them standing on the capital steps. Every step of the capital was full. It was like a city wide lockdown. The demonstrators were peaceful yet they got attacked for even being there.

Am I remembering this correctly? Maybe comrades Signym and kiki can help us out here?

T



Yes, I do believe I remember the police beating and arresting hundreds of peaceful protesters.

Then, when it's white supremacist Nazis storming the fucking Capitol, they let them right in.

The cops are complicit in this sedition. Heads must roll. Punishment must be severe.



Rioters breached US Capitol security on Wednesday. This was the police response when it was Black protesters on DC streets last year
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-p
rotest-us-capitol/index.html




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Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:51 AM

THG


Yep, that picture is what I remember. They gassed the protesters to clear a path for Trump. With yesterdays white protesters cops were nowhere to be seen. Even though there was a lot of advanced notice this was going to happen.

I don't have all the facts but I have to say, some of the police that were there acted admirably. I've heard others not so much.

T



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:26 AM

REAVERFAN


Some posed for selfies with their Nazi buddies.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:25 PM

REAVERFAN


Is there a single person in this country surprised by this behavior anymore? The people storming the Capitol and the people defending it are the same people. Cops are the backbone of right wing militia movements. The police must be abolished.
https://twitter.com/_SecondThought/status/1346923120217780226?cn=Zmxle
GlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email




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Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:03 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The people storming the Capitol and the people defending it are the same people.



But now they are claiming it "wasn't me"
IT WERE ANTIFA, MOM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9121081/Matt-Gaetz-claims-MAG
A-mob-stormed-Capitol-Antifa-masquerading-Trump-supporters.html


Ridiculous people!




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Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:13 PM

REAVERFAN


Yeah, it was Antifa. That's why the cops were so nice to them. Cops love Antifa.

MAGA Storms Capitol While Police Let Them





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Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:14 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Who's screaming?

FIFY: Extremely high IQ, self educated, non-violent. Patriot.




Ok, I really am curious what makes you think you have "extremely high IQ"??
Who ....besides yourself ....has ever said those words??
I was in every Advanced Placement class in school. YOU??
I tested 98th percentile on every ISTEP test. YOU?
I can dig out my SAT scores and we can compare, if you'd like...

Did you know you can go back to your high school and request their IQ assessments?





BTW, it's not "non violent" if you don't leave the basement...it's "agoraphobic".




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Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:17 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

But now they are claiming it "wasn't me"
IT WERE ANTIFA, MOM

Ridiculous people!




The finger prints of Trumptard Stupid are all over that pov - but of course, the truth just gets in the way for them:

Mo Brooks @RepMoBrooks on Twitter:

"Please, don’t be like #FakeNewsMedia, don’t rush to judgment on assault on Capitol. Wait for investigation. All may not be (and likely is not) what appears. Evidence growing that fascist ANTIFA orchestrated Capitol attack with clever mob control tactics.

Evidence follows:

1. A Congressman warned me on MONDAY of a growing ANTIFA threat & advised that I sleep in my office rather than leaving Capitol complex & sleeping in my condo. I heeded that advice & have slept on office floor for 4 straight nights.

2. Congressman told me he was warned on TUESDAY by Capitol Police officer that intelligence suggested fascist ANTIFA was going to try to infiltrate the Trump rally by dressing like Trump supporters.

3. Capitol Police advised TUESDAY that it best not to leave Capitol complex.

4. Evidence, much public, surfacing that many Capitol assaulters were fascist ANTIFAs, not Trump supporters.

Again, time will reveal truth. Don’t rush to judgment. Don’t be fooled by #FakeNewsMedia whose political judgment drives their reporting.

My view: fully prosecute all!"

====

Twitter Responses:

"So Mo, you believed this "Congressman"enough to protect yourself but not enough to tell/warn others?"

"And so you took this info to CapitolPolice and FBI right? If you knew ahead of time about scary anTifA coming for you, why didn't you do something about it?

Your version of events has so many holes in it but that's because you're making this up on the fly."

So sick of these fcks. No question Capital Police have a lot of explaining/lying to do.

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


As I recall, Trump walked to the historic St John's church because it had been burned by your "PEACEFUL" BLM/Antifa rioters.

How soon they forget their own misdeeds, and paint themselves as victims.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:28 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As I recall, Trump walked to the historic St John's church because it had been burned by your "PEACEFUL" BLM/Antifa rioters.

How soon they forget their own misdeeds, and paint themselves as victims.



STFU, Russian troll. It was reichwing "boogaloo" terrorists, as usual, you mindless loser.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:29 PM

REAVERFAN


Watch the cops let the terrorists in.






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Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As I recall, Trump walked to the historic St John's church because it had been burned by your "PEACEFUL" BLM/Antifa rioters.

How soon they forget their own misdeeds, and paint themselves as victims.



STFU, Russian troll. It was reichwing "boogaloo" terrorists, as usual, you mindless loser.



Sure. Because rightwing rioters have an interest in burning historic establishment churches.

.





Whatever



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:25 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Sure. Because rightwing rioters have an interest in burning historic establishment churches.

Correct. They were responsible for virtually all the violence associated with the peaceful demonstrations. This is well-documented.

Who caused the violence at protests? It wasn’t antifa.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence
-protests-its-not-antifa
/

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-race-and-ethnicity-suburbs-h
ealth-racial-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748


Trump, like yourself, is a lying, America-hating cunt.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Did you READ the articles that you linked?

Apparently not!

Please re-read them. They don't say what you claim. (as usual)

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:33 PM

REAVERFAN


Hold Them Accountable
Republican members of Congress who incited this domestic terror attack through their attempts to overturn the election must face consequences. They have broken their sacred Oath of Office.

Add your name as a co-signer of Rep. Cori Bush’s bill to investigate and expel these members from Congress.

https://gopcoup.com/?source=group-progress-america&referrer=group-
progress-america&redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure.actblue.com%2Fdonate%2Flame-duck&link_id=2&refcodeEmailReferrer=email_1038057&can_id=c100ca601958a2f6ee6b97d7b0eb3df9&email_referrer=email_1038057&email_subject=this-isnt-a-game




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Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:34 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Did you READ the articles that you linked?

Apparently not!

Please re-read them. They don't say what you claim. (as usual)



Unlike you, English is my first language. Your inability to use reason and logic isn't my fault, Russian troll.

It's the result of your low IQ.





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Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:54 PM

REAVERFAN


Cori Bush Slams Police Double Standard on Trump Capitol Rioters





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Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:06 PM

REAVERFAN


Baked Alaska, the QAnon Shaman … who led the storming of the Capitol?
Collection of far-right activists and groups came to Washington DC to enact a familiar playbook
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/baked-alaska-the-qanon
-shaman-who-led-the-storming-of-the-capitol


The flags and insignias advertised who they were: the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Three Percenters, QAnon, once shadowy groups that now rallied in broad daylight, their assault on democracy performed as public spectacle for a world that watched in horror.

Others brandished banners with more recent monikers, such as Stop the Steal, an umbrella term for those who believe Trump won the election and that Joe Biden is a usurper.

“Make America great again,” declared one flag. “Liberty or death: don’t tread on me,” said another, brandished alongside the confederate symbol. “Trump 2020: Fuck your feelings,” said the fastest-selling T-shirt. Some messages were pithier: “Fuck Biden.”

The gathering of extremists in the cradle of American democracy was hardly clandestine. Trump, after all, summoned them. “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th,” he tweeted on 19 December. “Be there, will be wild!”

On 1 January he tweeted: “The BIG Protest Rally in Washington, D.C. will take place at 11:00 A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!”

Thousands responded, young and old, travelling from across the US to form a river of people in downtown Washington. Many were ordinary people who believe baseless claims about electoral fraud. Others were rightwing social media celebrities and members of quasi-militia groups.





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Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:24 PM

REAVERFAN


Wen a cult leader tells his followers to overthrow democracy and people die, that cult leader is a murderer.

360,000 dead from covid.
Trump is a murderer.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:31 PM

REAVERFAN


Cabinet members discuss invoking 25th Amendment to remove Trump from power





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Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
Did you READ the articles that you linked?
Apparently not!
Please re-read them. They don't say what you claim. (as usual)


REAVERBOT: Unlike you, English is my first language. Your inability to use reason and logic isn't my fault, Russian troll.

It's the result of your low IQ



Reason and logic definitley NOT your forte! The WaPo article spends a great number of words explaining how difficult it is to ID "Antifa" (they don't even mention BLM) and then goes on to say that they don't even bother to ID the "inspiration" for violence anyhow.

And then it goes on to look at 80 arrests for the most violent FEDERAL crimes ... that is, attacking Federal property and/or Federal police/National Guard defending said property ... I bring this up because Federal crimes AREN'T looting Walgreens, they are politically-motivated ... and goes on to say that of those 80, FOUR were ID'd as rightwing,

So, if they don't ID by "inspiration" how did they ID these four in the first place?

And what are the other 76? Chopped liver?

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 3:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Hold Them Accountable
Republican members of Congress who incited this domestic terror attack through their attempts to overturn the election must face consequences. They have broken their sacred Oath of Office.

Add your name as a co-signer of Rep. Cori Bush’s bill to investigate and expel these members from Congress.

https://gopcoup.com/?source=group-progress-america&referrer=group-
progress-america&redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure.actblue.com%2Fdonate%2Flame-duck&link_id=2&refcodeEmailReferrer=email_1038057&can_id=c100ca601958a2f6ee6b97d7b0eb3df9&email_referrer=email_1038057&email_subject=this-isnt-a-game




This is just an attempt to complete a coup by violence that they couldn't achieve by stealing the vote.

Go ahead with this, buddy, and you'll see REAL violence.

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:04 PM

REAVERFAN






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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:05 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Hold Them Accountable
Republican members of Congress who incited this domestic terror attack through their attempts to overturn the election must face consequences. They have broken their sacred Oath of Office.

Add your name as a co-signer of Rep. Cori Bush’s bill to investigate and expel these members from Congress.

https://gopcoup.com/?source=group-progress-america&referrer=group-
progress-america&redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure.actblue.com%2Fdonate%2Flame-duck&link_id=2&refcodeEmailReferrer=email_1038057&can_id=c100ca601958a2f6ee6b97d7b0eb3df9&email_referrer=email_1038057&email_subject=this-isnt-a-game




This is just an attempt to complete a coup by violence that they couldn't achieve by stealing the vote.

Go ahead with this, buddy, and you'll see REAL violence.

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STFU, Russian troll cunt. You're an enemy of democracy, evil and wrong. Kill yourself.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

REAVERBOT: Hold Them Accountable
Republican members of Congress who incited this domestic terror attack through their attempts to overturn the election must face consequences. T


SIGNYM: This is just an attempt to complete a coup by violence that they couldn't achieve by stealing the vote.

Go ahead with this, buddy, and you'll see REAL violence.

REAVERBOT: STFU, Russian troll cunt. You're an enemy of democracy, evil and wrong. Kill yourself.

Oh wow, "Russian cunt troll". Now THAT'S a persuasive rebuttal!
NOT.


The only "enemies of democracy" that I see around here are you and WISHY.

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:15 PM

REAVERFAN


Eat shit and die, you worthless Russian troll cunt. Your death will be a blessing to the world. Lying bitch.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:15 PM

REAVERFAN


First Federal Charges Filed For Capitol Rioting Yesterday





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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by REAVERBOT:
Eat shit and die, you worthless Russian troll cunt. Your death will be a blessing to the world. Lying bitch.

HAHAHAHA!!!
You're funny.


Seriously, dood. Chill. I KNOW you're just itching for your color revolution so your side can take over, but that's not how democracy works. Ya gotta deal with the other half that disagress with you, and name-calling and violence isn't the way to go about it.


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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


OK, so I've had my fill of arguing with extremists today. Outta here. Peace.

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:30 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Is there a single person in this country surprised by this behavior anymore? The people storming the Capitol and the people defending it are the same people. Cops are the backbone of right wing militia movements. The police must be abolished.
https://twitter.com/_SecondThought/status/1346923120217780226?cn=Zmxle
GlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email





Sure there are plenty of bad cops but stating the police must be abolished is without doubt, the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I hope you have critical thinking skills and they left you for a moment when you wrote this. It's easy to find fault. It's much harder to see something for what it is. Then act in a thought out way. In this case fix what's wrong with law enforcement in this country.

That said, you need to look at as much footage as you can. You'll see law enforcement doing their stand up best against insurmountable odds trying to protect the capital. Not all, but most.

T



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 5:58 PM

REAVERFAN


Threats to 'Storm the Capitol' were public. Why did police let it happen anyway?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/7/2006587/-Threats-to-Storm-th
e-Capitol-were-public-Why-did-police-let-it-happen-anyway?detail=emaildkre2


A Facebook page called Red-State Secession “asked its roughly 8,000 followers to share addresses of perceived ‘enemies’ in the nation’s capital, including the home addresses of federal judges, members of Congress and prominent progressive politicians,” The New York Times reports, and commenters openly talked about violence.

This is all in a city where peaceful protests for racial justice were met by heavily militarized police within the last year. We know Washington, D.C., is more than capable of disproportionate response. Yet here the District’s law enforcement agencies, led by the Capitol Police, ignored overt threats of violence targeting the homes and workplaces of top officials, including the U.S. Capitol itself. This was a refusal to protect the Capitol and the Congress, a decision to ignore or embrace the threat. Police officials can either tell us they were too incompetent to have found these public threats of violence, or they can explain to us why they ignored the public threats. Ignorance is not exonerating here.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:00 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Is there a single person in this country surprised by this behavior anymore? The people storming the Capitol and the people defending it are the same people. Cops are the backbone of right wing militia movements. The police must be abolished.
https://twitter.com/_SecondThought/status/1346923120217780226?cn=Zmxle
GlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email





Sure there are plenty of bad cops but stating the police must be abolished is without doubt, the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I hope you have critical thinking skills and they left you for a moment when you wrote this. It's easy to find fault. It's much harder to see something for what it is. Then act in a thought out way. In this case fix what's wrong with law enforcement in this country.

That said, you need to look at as much footage as you can. You'll see law enforcement doing their stand up best against insurmountable odds trying to protect the capital. Not all, but most.

T



I don't think you know what it means.



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Thursday, January 7, 2021 7:10 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Did you READ the articles that you linked?

Apparently not!

Please re-read them. They don't say what you claim. (as usual)



Unlike you, English is my first language. Your inability to use reason and logic isn't my fault, Russian troll.

It's the result of your low IQ.




Funny, I thought the titles of the articles reaver posted said what he was saying. Perhaps signym it is you who should read them again. I am declaring this area a no bullshit zone. I'm afraid you'll have to leave comrade.

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Did you READ the articles that you linked?

Apparently not!

Please re-read them. They don't say what you claim. (as usual)



Unlike you, English is my first language. Your inability to use reason and logic isn't my fault, Russian troll.

It's the result of your low IQ.




Funny, I thought the titles of the articles reaver posted said what he was saying. Perhaps signym it is you who should read them again. I am declaring this area a no bullshit zone. I'm afraid you'll have to leave comrade.

T



The article does not support the headline. But the M$M knows that many people don't read past the headline.

This isn't the first, second, or even tenth time that the headline... or a poster's claim... wasn't supported by the actual text of the article. How many times have KIKI and I pointed out the actual content of an article that contradicted a claim?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The article does not support the headline. But the M$M knows that many people don't read past the headline

www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-c
apitol-police-2021-1


'Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup'

One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

"The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.

"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.

"I can't believe this happened."

A law-enforcement official who trains with US forces believes someone interfered with the proper deployment of officers around Congress

The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.

The security of Congress is entrusted to the US Capitol Police, a federal agency that answers to Congress.

It is routine for the Capitol Police to coordinate with the federal Secret Service and the Park Police and local police in Washington, DC, before large demonstrations. The National Guard, commanded by the Department of Defense, is often on standby too.

On Wednesday, however, that coordination was late or absent.

'It's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored'

"You cannot tell me I don't know what they should have done. I can fly to Washington tomorrow and do that job, just as any police official in Washington can fly to Paris and do mine," the official said. The official directs public security in a central Paris police district filled with government buildings and tourist sites.

"These are not subtle principles" for managing demonstrations, "and they transfer to every situation," the official said. "This is why we train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored."

Much more at https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enfor
cement-capitol-police-2021-1


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Trump pressured Pence to engineer a coup, then put the VP in danger, source says

President Donald Trump and top White House officials did little to check in on Vice President Mike Pence while he and members of his family were inside the US Capitol when Trump-backed rioters stormed the halls of Congress on Wednesday, a source close to the vice president tells CNN.

Pence was joined by his wife Karen Pence, daughter Charlotte and brother, Rep. Greg Pence, R-Indiana, for the ceremonial counting of the electoral votes in Congress Wednesday. Several of the violent Trump supporters who were rampaging the US Capitol were heard screaming "where's Mike Pence," the source said, frightening the vice president and his family.

Yet, the President and his top aides barely lifted a finger to check in on Pence to make sure he and his family were unharmed, the source added. "Was he concerned at all that an angry mob that he commanded to march on the Capitol might injure the vice president or his family?" the source asked.

The White House did not respond on the record to a CNN request for comment.

People close to the vice president now believe he is being set up as a "scapegoat" to shoulder the blame inside Trump-world after Pence refused to buckle to the President's demands to engineer a procedural coup that would keep Trump in power.

On Tuesday, Pence came under intense pressure from Trump to toss out the election results during a meeting that lasted hours in the Oval Office. The vice president's chief of staff, Marc Short, was banned by Trump from entering the West Wing, the source said, as the President repeatedly warned with "thinly veiled threats" to Pence that he would suffer major political consequences if he refused to cooperate.

"The message was pretty clear," the source said.

The events Wednesday have left some aides to the vice president feeling Pence was betrayed by Trump as well as White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and the President's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani.
"Rudy, Meadows and their teams have been trying to set up the vice president to take the fall as opposed to admitting they laid out false hope in all of this," the source said.

"Trump just can't admit defeat and wants a scapegoat," the source added.

On Thursday, Charlotte Pence Bond, the vice president's daughter who had been at the US Capitol with him, tweeted her congratulations to President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/politics/trump-pence-riot/index.html

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:21 PM

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SIGNYM:
The article does not support the headline. But the M$M knows that many people don't read past the headline.

SECOND www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-c
apitol-police-2021-1


'Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup'

One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

Except that's not what happened. Trump did not tell his supporters to storm ANY building, so this is just NATO bloviating.

There is no quote that you can find to back up this claim, so you kinda proved my point.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Except that's not what happened. Trump did not tell his supporters to storm ANY building, so this is just NATO bloviating.

There is no quote that you can find to back up this claim, so you kinda proved my point.

Are you sure? Trump tweeted this just a minute before the Capitol Building riot started:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!
1:24 PM · Jan 6, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346900434540240897

Twitter marked that as: This claim of election fraud is disputed, and this Tweet can’t be replied to, Retweeted, or liked due to a risk of violence

Trump was telling the Capitol Building rioters to do what "Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution". Guess what happened next, Signym? It was on TV. The rioters stopped the counting of votes, which Mike Pence had refused to do for Trump.

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:33 PM

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Why do you have to keep putting words in someone's mouth to make a point?

Maybe because you don't have a point to make.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why do you have to keep putting words in someone's mouth to make a point?

Maybe because you don't have a point to make.

The words came out of Trump's mouth as reported by Fox News:
Quote:

"We are supposed to protect our country and support our Constitution," Trump said. "States want to revote. The states got defrauded, they were given false information and now they want it back."

He added: "All Pence has to do is send it back to the states…and we become president, and you are the happiest people."

Trump said that Pence acting "doesn’t take courage," but "what takes courage is to do nothing."

"And then we’re stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot, and we have to live with that for the next four years," Trump said, referring to his Democratic rival Joe Biden. "We’re not going to let that happen."

The president, in recent hours, has increasingly put pressure on Pence to intervene during the joint session, tweeting early Wednesday: "Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-never-concede-pressures-pence-e
lection


When Mike Pence failed to stop the vote, the rioters showed their courage by stopping the vote. "We’re not going to let that happen," said Trump by which he meant not letting the votes be counted for Biden.

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By Thursday, Pence appeared to have become the target of bizarre attacks by Trump supporters that are typically reserved for Democrats and celebrities.

Tom Groves, a civil engineer from California, said he believed that Pence was a pedophile and member of the so-called deep state, a common accusation QAnon supporters make without evidence or reason. Trump, he said, had offered Pence a second chance to mend his ways for the unfounded and unsupported transgressions, and Pence had, in return, stabbed his boss in the back.

"It's my own opinion that he is deep state," Groves said, later adding that he made his way to the top of the Capitol steps Wednesday. "I'm critical of everything I hear, but from a lot of sources I've heard that."

Pence was at the center of supporters' ire Thursday.

Indeed, it was his announcement, many Trump supporters said, that changed the tenor of the protest. It appears that many got the news after they were given their marching orders to Capitol Hill by Trump, who said they should go to pressure Congress as it counted the electors.

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness," he told them Wednesday. "You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

Sharmane and Colleen, Trump supporters who asked that their last names not be used for fear of the backlash they might get for having attended the protest, drove to Washington from South Florida. They said there was an immediate shift in tone in the crowd when the news came out about Pence's decision. A demonstration in support of Trump turned terrifying as "patriots" became ferocious and angry about what they perceived as a double cross, they said.

They said they were pushed and jostled toward the steps of the Capitol. When they tried to leave before curfew, they were unable to get a taxi or a rideshare back to their hotel in Arlington, Virginia, and they were forced to return on foot — turning a 15-minute drive into an hourslong hike.

"I think you had a group of pissed-off patriots," Colleen said. "They just couldn't take it anymore. I think these pissed-off patriotic Americans, Republicans and Democrats, came up here to support Trump and then the Pence news came in? No, sir. Nope. No, sir."

Many Trump supporters maintained that there was rampant election fraud, and they claimed that Wednesday's chaos, which some lawmakers and commentators called an attempted coup or insurrection, was an attempt to hold the line against the downfall of American democracy, the destruction of Christian values and the rise of communism. Their belief in election fraud and the threat of the conspiracies is held deeply, even though there is no evidence for any of them.

More at https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dejected-trump-supporters-leave-w
ashington-create-new-theories-capitol-violence-n1253407


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