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Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:31 AM

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Its getting there!



I admire your focus - nice one!

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Friday, November 6, 2020 7:40 AM

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I added a bunch uv piks. They were suppos to be a sequential assembly demo, but got reversed and jumbled up after I uploaded them.

Haf to start working on the helmet agen. I took a week off to replase my porch roof kuz it wuz about to cave in. The racoonz hav been going up there and pooping for 25 yirz.

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Monday, November 23, 2020 1:29 PM

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My electronics guru iz too bizzy working on a Covid-19 detector and I havent herd from him in weeks, so I had to think up a way to run 8 UVC LEDz myself.

The solution iz going to work!



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Sunday, February 7, 2021 12:01 AM

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From the For Democrats Only thred:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by second:
Republicans largely ignore moral stain of child poverty

Imagine you have some neighbors in a mansion down the road who pamper one child with a credit card, the best private school and a Tesla.

The parents treat most of their other kids decently but not lavishly — and then you discover that the family consigns one child to an unheated, vermin-infested room in the basement, denying her dental care and often leaving her without food...

But that’s us. That household, writ large, is America and our moral stain of child poverty.



You can't eliminate poverty by "giving" people money. All that does is create dependency on aid. You can only create wealth by having a robust economy in which everyone who can work has a meaningful job at living wages...



In a few decadez there wont be any jobz, so we shoud be tranzitioning to sum other way uv getting money to peepl now.

But thats not the worst problem. It seemz that giving them money or making them work for it, or doing niether, they will still plop out babyz without regard to their financial situation. So in thoze same few decadez there will still be way too many peepl for the ecosystem to support.

I woc Steve Wilcos. The main subject uv the show iz bad parents. Even wen its a cheating show, they usually hav too many kidz. A typical mom haz 5 and her cheating babydaddy haz kidz with 5 other wimin. And thoze are the 'funny' showz.

More than haf are about abuzed children.



Wut happenz wen there are so many peepl that its impossible for any guvrment to keep a lid on this sort uv crap? There are plenty uv useless guvrments now where child abuse must be rampant. And with the GoPs and their idiotic 'small guvrment' ideaz doing nothing but lokking themselvez in power, they are likely to sekseed in defunding all the DCFS eventually.

The human rase iz working on transforming the planet into Hell.





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Sunday, February 7, 2021 5:11 AM

SIGNYM

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SECOND: Originally posted by second:
Republicans largely ignore moral stain of child poverty

Imagine you have some neighbors in a mansion down the road who pamper one child with a credit card, the best private school and a Tesla.

The parents treat most of their other kids decently but not lavishly — and then you discover that the family consigns one child to an unheated, vermin-infested room in the basement, denying her dental care and often leaving her without food...

But that’s us. That household, writ large, is America and our moral stain of child poverty.

SIGNY: You can't eliminate poverty by "giving" people money. All that does is create dependency on aid. You can only create wealth by having a robust economy in which everyone who can work has a meaningful job at living wages...

JO: In a few decadez there wont be any jobz,

Why not? Who is making the decisions to eliminate jobs?
You?
Me?

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JO:... so we shoud be tranzitioning to sum other way uv getting money to peepl now.
But that will NEVER happen. The same people who are making the decisions to eliminate jobs now ... BTW, so they can keep more of that $$ for themselves ... aren't going to be in any greater "giving away" mood later. Why should they be?

You seem not to have yet grasped the conundrum that is capitalism. The best explanation I can give is FREM'S: Imagine ten people sitting at a card game, and with every round one person gets to take a portion of the money. Sooner or later, the other players will have nothing left to play with.

Give it some thought.

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JO: But thats not the worst problem. It seemz that giving them money or making them work for it, or doing niether, they will still plop out babyz without regard to their financial situation. So in thoze same few decadez there will still be way too many peepl for the ecosystem to support.

I woc Steve Wilcos. The main subject uv the show iz bad parents. Even wen its a cheating show, they usually hav too many kidz. A typical mom haz 5 and her cheating babydaddy haz kidz with 5 other wimin. And thoze are the 'funny' showz.

More than haf are about abuzed children.

Most of those shows are a crock. They pay people to go on them to play a part. I loaned somebody money once, and was never paid back. So I went to court and got a judgment against this person. Well, wouldn't you know but one of those "Judge Judy"-type shows offered me $7000 to go on and play my part of the grump white female.

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JO... Wut happenz wen there are so many peepl that its impossible for any guvrment to keep a lid on this sort uv crap? There are plenty uv useless guvrments now where child abuse must be rampant. And with the GoPs and their idiotic 'small guvrment' ideaz doing nothing but lokking themselvez in power, they are likely to sekseed in defunding all the DCFS eventually.

The human rase iz working on transforming the planet into Hell.

I agree that there are not "going to be" too many people, there already are too many for the environment to accomodate. We've exceeded the carbon cycle, the nitrogen cycle, the water cycle, and the soil cycle, are driving an extinction event by sheer habitat loss, among others, and are waaaaay beyond any notion of "sustainability".

But I don't blame "people" for being "stupid". The last thing corporations and (most) governments want is people who are self-directed, self-disciplined, thoughtful, and rational. THIS APPLIES TO BOTH DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENTS.

You can't get self-directed and self-disciplined people to buy shit they don't need with money they don't have; or to get so hyped up on their own victimization that they refuse to better their own lives; or to idolize stupidity, geed and laziness. Self-directed, self-disciplined people don't expect life to be fun all of the time. They recognize that REAL real life is full of pain, uncertainty, fear, hard work and repeated failure. Self-directed, self-disciplined people realize that TPTB do NOT have their best interests at heart, and they understand that they are living in a hostile milieu of "every man for himself and god (and corporations, and government) against all" and they will DEMAND better from their socalled representatives in authority.

Anyway, back to children: Most people in the USA are infantalized. They live in a dream world shaped for them by television and social media which has convinced them that life is (or should be) nonstop fun. They're actually too obssessed with themselves to have any time for having children: the birth rate of native-born Americans (and Europeans and Russians and Chinese) is actually below replacement. And if they have children, they shuffle them off to daycare or school or nannies or something, or let them run wild on the streets so they can keep doing "fun" things and not have to pay attention.

The only way to fix that is giant cultural shift away from the "consumer" culture that's been promoted by business and a "dependency" culture promoted by government, and level the playing field so that people will not only have responsibility for their lives, families, and communities; they'll also have agency.

Where the population problem comes in in societies where women do not have educational or other opportunities and their only function is to have children. Educate girls, give them legal title to property and access to birth control, and birth rates will fall.


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Sunday, February 7, 2021 8:56 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Jo, I didn't even know where to BEGIN to address your post, so I'm glad Signy gave you some feedback.

Anyway, if I was going to have a convo with you about it, I guess the first place I would start is to ask you how many people you know IRL who are just like the people on TV. Family? Former co-workers? Neighbors? Is that how they run their lives? Is that how they behave in public?

And do you really believe 'reality' TV?

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 11:03 AM

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I agree with most uv wut you rote, Sig.

Capitalizm needz to be on a very short leesh. Peepl need to be able to think for themselvz. We need to looz at least 3/4 uv the population and stay at that level.

I disagree about the authentisity uv the show. I no there are Screen Actorz Gild rulez about pay, wich acounts for sum uv the motivation for theze low lifes to air their dirty laundry on national TV, but that duznt preclude their storyz from being true.

A big motiv to go on Wilcos iz to get free lie detector tests. Occasionaly the gests hav alredy paid around 500$ to a local lie detector gy but usually get a different rezult from Dan Ribacoff. https://www.danribacoff.com/

Its a serious show. They hav expozed murdererz, pedofilez, abuzerz, rezulting in many prizon sentensez. Theyv also exonerated many accuzed peepl.

I hav known many splooj munkeyz, 1kiki, and I dont hav a very wide serkl uv frenz.


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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 11:36 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



What's a 'splooj munkey'?

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 11:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Only because you asked...

"Splooj" means jizz.

A Splooj Munkey is Ted excitedly watching and posting Trump Impeachment Porn every day, 20 days after his guy won* while at the same time not posting a single thing about Biden*, either good or bad.


Used in a sentence:

"CNN is PornHub for TDS suffering splooj munkeys."



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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 12:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Oh, I'm trying to figure out how 'Splooj Munkey' fits into shows about baby-daddies. It seems like a 'Splooj Munkey' wouldn't have all that many babies because of being a 'Splooj Munkey', which is a generally solitary activity.

Maybe JO can explain his answer because it seems like he's saying he doesn't know anybody who's anything other than a 'Splooj Munkey' and he doesn't know many people anyway ... which means he doesn't know people like the ones he sees on TV.

Is that what he's trying to say?

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 12:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Oh, I'm trying to figure out how 'Splooj Munkey' fits into shows about baby-daddies. It seems like a 'Splooj Munkey' wouldn't have all that many babies because of being a 'Splooj Munkey', which is a generally solitary activity.

Maybe JO can explain his answer because it seems like he's saying he doesn't know anybody who's anything other than a 'Splooj Munkey' and he doesn't know many people anyway ... which means he doesn't know people like the ones he sees on TV.

Is that what he's trying to say?



You're better off getting a direct answer from JO on exactly what he means when he uses the term. I think it's just a generic insult that can mean a whole lot of things.

As for JO's context, even after all these years I still have to devote more brain power to reading his posts than trying to read Tolkien or Lovecraft... Or the freakin' Bible for that matter.

There was a day where I would take the effort because I used to enjoy conversing with him, but it's been a very long while since I've felt that way.

And with JO adding himself to the list of people taking glee out of the idea of people he doesn't agree with dying... well... Those days have long past come to a middle.




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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 12:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




So ... HEY JO!!!

What were you trying to say?

You DO know a lot of people like those on TV, or you DON'T?


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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 5:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I agree with most uv wut you rote, Sig.

Capitalizm needz to be on a very short leesh. Peepl need to be able to think for themselvz. We need to looz at least 3/4 uv the population and stay at that level.

JO, I've scanned your website and if my POV and your POV were Venn diagrams we would prolly overlap 70pct.

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I disagree about the authentisity uv the show. I no there are Screen Actorz Gild rulez about pay, wich acounts for sum uv the motivation for theze low lifes to air their dirty laundry on national TV, but that duznt preclude their storyz from being true.

A big motiv to go on Wilcos iz to get free lie detector tests.

Wilcos?
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Occasionalyy the gests hav alredy paid around 500$ to a local lie detector gy but usually get a different rezult from Dan Ribacoff. https://www.danribacoff.com/

Its a serious show. They hav expozed murdererz, pedofilez, abuzerz, rezulting in many prizon sentensez. Theyv also exonerated many accuzed peepl.

Maybe a show I'm not familiar with. Too many Maury Povich- style shows with little credibility. However, I agree that irresponsibility abounds.


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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 6:38 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:


So ... HEY JO!!!

What were you trying to say?

You DO know a lot of people like those on TV, or you DON'T?



Not currently.

But bak wen I wuz regularly working az an employee at various companyz, many uv the co-workerz I got to no had 4+ kidz, often by multiple wimin.

I hate to sound like sum sort uv bigot, but the hispanics were the worst. I askt them 'wy so many' and the usual ansr wuz 'so you alwayz hav sumwun to take care uv you wen youre old'. So, not a rase thing, but a cultural karakteristik.

Not that there werent plenty uv wite splooj munkeyz.

The automation profession seemed to be above averaj. I think it wuz kuz they often had to travel for weeks or months to set up the systemz we bilt, so alot uv cheating on both sidez rezulting in divorsez, rezulting in new familyz.

1 machine bilder (wite) at Baxter Automation, for exampl, wuz on hiz 4th marrij, 11 kidz so far, 2 grand kidz even tho he wuz only around 35! All hiz money went to alimony & child support.

My definition uv splooj munkey iz: a person uv either jender hoo can not rezist the urj to hav sex and often gets the urj.

Not that I'm relying on my own experiens. Herez the World-O-Meter:
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Getting close to 8 billion.

The dumass go forth & multiply antiabortion relijus zealots make the argument that the rate uv increase iz declining in 1st world nationz, az if that meanz there will eventually be a stable PLaTO; that the 3rd world countryz are to blame; that increasing the education and welth in 3rd world nationz will rezult in stabil redused birth rates.

Its all fact based deseption. The worst kind uv lying.



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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: JO, I've scanned your website and if my POV and your POV were Venn diagrams we would prolly overlap 70pct.


Probably 85, 90% ! More than you can admit.

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Wilcos?



Thats where that Youtube iz from. Herez hiz Youtube channel:


(Sorry, the link iz to hiz Youtube home paje, not a video. Haken really needz to update the HTML here. I dont no how to fix that, so just c&p it)
Just woc a few duzen uv thoze. Try not to think too hard about it if you are prone to depression.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I agree that birth culture has a lot to do with "how many kids". But when that culture has a significant economic improvement, it undergoes what's called the 'demographic transition'.

Unlike most species, in times of resource stress, humans RAISE their birthrate instead of lowering it. And when times are good, humans lower their birthrate - and that's called the 'demographic transition'.

So I suspect many of the high birth-rate Hispanics you know are children of immigrants, or one generation away from the extreme poverty in the many Central and South American countries. Once those economic backgrounds get raised generation to generation - and that includes many Blacks as well - birth rates do drop.

So, since the 'cultural' influence can be changed by existing economics, it may not be as much 'cultural' as it is circumstantial.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 9:14 PM

SIGNYM

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SIGNYM: JO, I've scanned your website and if my POV and your POV were Venn diagrams we would prolly overlap 70pct.

JO: Probably 85, 90% ! More than you can admit.

I'm always happy to find areas of agreement, but if you won't discuss your opinions I suppose we'll never find out.

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SIGNY: Wilcos?

JO: Thats where that Youtube iz from. Herez hiz Youtube channel:
Link removed to improve format
(Sorry, the link iz to hiz Youtube home paje, not a video. Haken really needz to update the HTML here. I dont no how to fix that, so just c&p it)
Just woc a few duzen uv thoze. Try not to think too hard about it if you are prone to depression.

. I'll check it out, I've never seen that before.

There's nothing wrong with being a little depressed.

The infamous "they" (psychologists) did a study in which they gave test subjects real world scenarios and asked them to describe the most probable outcome. These test subjects had been previously categorized for level of depression. It turned out that the people they had categorized as "normal" were, in fact, overly optimistic about the outcomes, and people they had categorized as mildly depressed were the most realistic.

Our culture expects people to be hypomanic, apparently.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:04 PM

SIGNYM

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OK, picked a couple of videos to watch. The one about "Who is the father" is one of the ones you're referring to?

I saw an episode like that while I was on jury duty, "Who is your baby daddy?" and they brought out this woman who named at least a half-dozen potential father's (non of whom tested as the father) and for all I know she could have named another half dozen, but I got called to jury panel.

Don't remember if it was Povich or Springer, but one of those.

I guess I was wondering how genuine all of that was. All it cost the show was the price of however many DNA tests they wanted to run, meanwhile the outrage factor was building up week by week bc the audience was horrified/glued by the idea that a young woman might have been having sex with a dozen men all about the same time. The other thing I was wondering about was whether she was a prostitute, because that would explain the number of candidates. Anyway, women like that are the exception, not the rule, because the actual fertility rate among blacks is only marginally higher (1,800/1000) than whites (1,600/1000) and both are below replacement (about 2,100/1000).

But there is a general problem with irresponsible parents. Seen it in all colors, mainly seems to be related to drinking and drugging and the general "party" lifestyle.

With so many kids born "on the spectrum" nowadays, parents need to be especially responsible, not less, because those kids are difficult to deal with, but trends seem to be heading the wrong way.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:18 PM

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To be fair though, realists are much more likely to suffer from depression. They're also more likely to have higher intelligence than others as well.

It's usually not stupid people that kill themselves on purpose.


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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:24 PM

SIGNYM

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To be fair though, realists are much more likely to suffer from depression. They're also more likely to have higher intelligence than others as well.

It's usually not stupid people that kill themselves on purpose.


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Well, the USA is a pretty depressing place to be.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Certainly not when meritocracy is a bad word.

Some days I actually wish I was about 60 IQ points lower.

Dumb people are usually a lot happier than smart people.


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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:33 PM

SIGNYM

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Certainly not when meritocracy ...

That's raciss.

At least, according to BLM.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Certainly not when meritocracy ...

That's raciss.

At least, according to BLM.



And Antifa. And CNN. And MSNBC. And NYT. And WaPo. And MotherJones. And Vox. And Salon. And Buzzfeed. yada, yada, yada...


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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 11:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 4:13 AM

SIGNYM

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So, KIKI ... and WISHY, REAVERBOT, SECONDRATE, etec ... you will not find me saying that we have a true meritocracy. Prejudice still exists, both "in favor of" and "against" any group that you care to point to, whether it's whites, blacks, Asians, women, men, etc.

However, simply ARGUING for a meritocracy is considered "racist".

Also, I'm aware that meritocracy would not be so stringent if there were simply MORE JOBS overall. Hiring would not be focused on winnowing to the top 2 of 200 applicants if the job pool was larger.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 5:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Believe it or not, that's a conclusion I came to many many years ago. When virtually everyone who applies is qualified, and there are far, far more applicants than there are spots, how do you decide?

Well, it depends on the gatekeepers and their vested interests. If they want to see white men succeed, they'll restrict access to white men. If they want to see their rich buddies succeed, they game the system to favor their rich buddies. And if they really, really dislike a group, they'll go out of their way to exclude them.

So discrimination exists to direct opportunity to a pre-selected group, when merit is a non-functional factor.


But even IF you succeed in establishing a true meritocracy, it's not true that anybody can succeed who deserves it, if it's not true that everybody can succeed who deserves it. Because many people who deserve that place will be left out if there is no place for them. And if all deserving people don't get everything they deserve, how is that a meritocracy and not some weird lottery instead?


Anyway, we don't have a meritocracy, with failure on more than one level. One is that we still have opportunity directed towards pre-selected group(s). The other is that not everybody can get everything they deserve.

What we have instead is people being forced into the ever increasing competition of the Roman arena of war of all against all. Where you have highly skilled people competing for low paying jobs, for example. And people being shunted into non-productive "non-essential" make-work, to scramble as best they can to keep afloat.

Looking at the few people considered "essential workers" and their generally very low pay, and the make-workers, and the very few people with stable personal economies based on wages, there is nothing remotely meritocratic about the economy.


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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:18 AM

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deleted ... will completely post later



I actually did read this last night, but with a limited amount of coffee and any day not yet started, I can't for the life of me remember what the post was about other than a knock on Second because you were posting something seemingly completely unrelated to anything other than the story itself and it was about...

Oh right... It just came to me. Dude who made the fabled H20 engine.

I think I met that dude once, Kiki. It might be our 6 degrees to Kevin Bacon between you and I. My crazy Physics teacher in high school had his even crazier friend come in one day and tell us about how he made that engine and was on the run from the government and big oil who wanted to keep it a secret. Was this story of yours sometime in the early 90's?

Did he call himself Leonardo back then, or was that a fake name after he went on the run?





Very interested in seeing you post your full story.


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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:31 AM

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So, KIKI ... and WISHY, REAVERBOT, SECONDRATE, etec ... you will not find me saying that we have a true meritocracy. Prejudice still exists, both "in favor of" and "against" any group that you care to point to, whether it's whites, blacks, Asians, women, men, etc.

However, simply ARGUING for a meritocracy is considered "racist".

Also, I'm aware that meritocracy would not be so stringent if there were simply MORE JOBS overall. Hiring would not be focused on winnowing to the top 2 of 200 applicants if the job pool was larger.




It's not just about getting jobs. It's also about raises and promotions.

My last good job saw me double my initial salary in 5 years with the maximum 6% merit raise every year and several big bumps via job title change.


When I worked for 2.5 years overnight at KMart, I didn't get a single penny for a raise, even though my manager there gave me the best numbers on a performance review I'd ever gotten anywhere. When I told him that, he said the same thing that the manager said at the good job... They NEVER give out 5's because that would imply the person was "perfect" for the job and they figure it makes them more comfortable and less likely to keep pushing harder at work. He said since KMart hadn't been giving raises for 8 years straight and he couldn't give me a raise to get me above the bare minimum wage, the least he could do was be honest performance review.

The last job I had before I was laid off at least gave raises, but in "fairness", the managers were no longer able to reward good employees and punish bad ones at raise time, so everybody got a paltry 2% raise no matter how good or shitty they were.

But at least that gave me leverage. They knew that I knew I was worth a lot more than I was being paid and I told them if they wanted me more than 1 day per week they had to give me the schedule I wanted, and until the restructuring happened and we all lost our jobs, I worked the days I wanted to and was the only part time employee who had the same schedule every 2 weeks. After you've proven yourself, that's a nice benefit you can eek out in a meritless society if you're not bluffing when you say that the rate of pay isn't that important to you.



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What we have instead is people being forced into the ever increasing competition of the Roman arena of war of all against all. Where you have highly skilled people competing for low paying jobs, for example. And people being shunted into non-productive "non-essential" make-work, to scramble as best they can to keep afloat.



This right here is about half of the reason I've decided to opt out of the rat race. If I'm going to bust my ass and lend my perfectionist skills to make somebody else look good (and make money for them), then I'm going to do it as little as possible.

The other half would be I hardly ever pay any taxes to the federal government anymore with the low amount of income usually being under the standard deduction. I'm not on board with how they spend my money, so they don't need mine.


But on the other hand.... This is also why I'm typing all of this out to you on a 14 year old hand-me-down computer over a sketchy internet.



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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 1:15 PM

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OK, picked a couple of videos to watch. The one about "Who is the father" is one of the ones you're referring to?



Not any type uv show in particular. Any Steve Wilkos gest coud mention that they hav a bunch uv kidz, no matter wut they are there for.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 1:28 PM

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Unlike most species, in times of resource stress, humans RAISE their birthrate instead of lowering it. And when times are good, humans lower their birthrate - and that's called the 'demographic transition'....



Unfortunately, it duznt help much kuz hire living standardz = greater consumption. More bilding, more carz, more hunting hobbyists, more McDonaldz, more McMansionz, more manufacturing.

If poverty wuz suddenly eliminated from the world its game over in less than 20 yirz.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 3:02 PM

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If poverty wuz suddenly eliminated from the world its game over in less than 20 yirz.




Poverty or no, it's not going to change anything. Half of the population doesn't think there's anything wrong and will die choking on smog telling themselves there's nothing wrong.

No one should have to stay in poverty so we can get 10 more years out of our ecosystems.








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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 4:43 PM

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If poverty wuz suddenly eliminated from the world its game over in less than 20 yirz.
Once upon a time, in an old post, I actually looked up and calculated the CO2 emissions across the globe. IF the USA and Canada were to reduce CO2 emissions to that of the EU (roughly half of today's) we could still retain (actually, improve) our standard of living and there would be enough energy leftover to raise the standard of living of the poorest nations in the world to something like Cuba or Costa Rica. Not lavish, but not terrible.

But that would require that every national leadership be laser-focused on improving EVERYONE's standard of living .... not consigning a significant swath of people to grinding poverty ... while still maintaining energy efficiency and improving sustainability. We would then be on a glide path to lower populations and better ecological health.

Our problems are political, economic, and cultural, not technological. I believe it's the parasitical elite who are preventing us from reaching the solutions that we need.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 6:57 PM

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What we have instead is people being forced into the ever increasing competition of the Roman arena of war of all against all. Where you have highly skilled people competing for low paying jobs, for example. And people being shunted into non-productive "non-essential" make-work, to scramble as best they can to keep afloat.
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This right here is about half of the reason I've decided to opt out of the rat race. If I'm going to bust my ass and lend my perfectionist skills to make somebody else look good (and make money for them), then I'm going to do it as little as possible.
Capitalism for the masses. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

Sadly, almost all people by birth or circumstance have no other choice but to play the losing end. The western-dominated world is a company town. It determines the jobs, pays the wages, and fixes the prices you pay.

So I hope there's enough mental charity going around everywhere to understand we have this common problem, that can only ultimately be solved in common.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 6:59 PM

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If poverty wuz suddenly eliminated from the world its game over in less than 20 yirz.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Once upon a time, in an old post, I actually looked up and calculated the CO2 emissions across the globe. IF the USA and Canada were to reduce CO2 emissions to that of the EU (roughly half of today's) we could still retain (actually, improve) our standard of living and there would be enough energy leftover to raise the standard of living of the poorest nations in the world to something like Cuba or Costa Rica. Not lavish, but not terrible.
But that would require that every national leadership be laser-focused on improving EVERYONE's standard of living .... not consigning a significant swath of people to grinding poverty ... while still maintaining energy efficiency and improving sustainability. We would then be on a glide path to lower populations and better ecological health.
Our problems are political, economic, and cultural ... I believe it's the parasitical elite who are preventing us from reaching the solutions that we need.


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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:11 PM

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What we have instead is people being forced into the ever increasing competition of the Roman arena of war of all against all. Where you have highly skilled people competing for low paying jobs, for example. And people being shunted into non-productive "non-essential" make-work, to scramble as best they can to keep afloat.
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This right here is about half of the reason I've decided to opt out of the rat race. If I'm going to bust my ass and lend my perfectionist skills to make somebody else look good (and make money for them), then I'm going to do it as little as possible.
Capitalism for the masses. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."



I like that. I really like that.

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Sadly, almost all people by birth or circumstance have no other choice but to play the losing end. The western-dominated world is a company town. It determines the jobs, pays the wages, and fixes the prices you pay.


This is true, but you can limit the amount you need to play by being a lot wiser with how you spend your after tax dollars. I don't mean you, specifically... I mean people in general and particularly those in the Western Town.

Simply refuse to be a consumer. That's half the game right there, and the only half that you have any control over.

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So I hope there's enough mental charity going around everywhere to understand we have this common problem, that can only ultimately be solved in common.



I can't imagine that would ever be the case, but here's to hoping.




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Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:03 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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This is true, but you can limit the amount you need to play by being a lot wiser with how you spend your after tax dollars.
I was thinking more globally and inclusively. The women and children who live on the dumps in the Philippines have no choice but to work HARD every single day just to have a chance to survive another day. They don't get to sit back and decide how much they'll participate today. And there are people who don't have the smarts to have a bigger perspective, or the physical capabilities to make it happen, or both. And most people simply aren't in a position to set themselves up like you did with your good job, because they never had that one springboard.

So being independent, or close enough to it - for the moment anyway - isn't an option for most, looking globally at the western-dominated world.



Someone said something to me many decades ago and it revolutionized my perspective. They said in effect - your good western life is only possible BECAUSE people are poor elsewhere.

The same is true today, except the US chickens have come home to roost. We don't have too many other places left to dominate and exploit. So tptb are cannibalizing the US, too.

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Thursday, February 11, 2021 5:07 AM

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I did make a point to specify those living in "Western Town". Obviously the kid who makes your shoes who works 12 hour days for a dollar doesn't have many choices. A lot of people living here do though, and that's not just those in the upper middle class either.

Even if I had a mortgage now, my living expenses would be under $12k per year. My salesman buddy told me last year he spends quite a bit more in a month than I do in a year... But he's got 2 kids, one he's paying child support for, a huge house that could fit 8 people when there are only 3 living there and a stay at home wife who has an "Amazon addiction", in his words. About a month after he told me that, he stopped by one day to show me his new car that cost more than my house did.

And that's an extreme example of over consuming. The last two jobs I had were minimum wage and only a few dollars above it. I couldn't believe how many people smoked premium cigarettes that cost more than an hours worth of their time and ate fast food every night. Some of them even bought a cup of coffee from McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts before they came in. By the time they went home, they'd already spent 3/8ths to 1/2 of the money they made that night just to get through the night.

Roll your own. Brown bag the lunch. Bring a pot of coffee with you in a travel thermos. You've just saved $4,000 to $6,000 per year.




But yeah. I've been saying for years we're running out of third world countries to exploit and the only way the show keeps running as is, is if we figure out how to colonize other inhabited planets or dimensions for cheap labor.


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Friday, February 12, 2021 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: I'm always happy to find areas of agreement, but if you won't discuss your opinions I suppose we'll never find out.



I'm happy to discuss wen I hav the time. But I dont hav a bunch theze dayz, so cant waste any churning debunks.


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Friday, February 12, 2021 3:58 AM

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I did make a point to specify those living in "Western Town".
IIRC that was in your reply, not your original post, after I said I was thinking more globally and inclusively.
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Roll your own. Brown bag the lunch. Bring a pot of coffee with you in a travel thermos. You've just saved $4,000 to $6,000 per year.
That kind of makes me think of Geezer ... or was it CC, I get the 2 confused in my memory a times ... who said the problem of eating fast food could be solved by going to the grocery store (on a bus, in a 'food desert'), buying rice and beans in bulk and cooking every day (when you're working 2 or more jobs), and shopping the sales to put in your freezer (that you bought with your non-existent extra cash). Not everyone lives by themselves, for themselves. Not everyone has the time, energy, tools, or skills, to implement handy 'fixes'. Not everyone lives in virtually zero-cost housing. I'm not arguing that people don't make poor choices. They absolutely do. Even ** I **, miserly as I am, know I could probably trim my budget at least 30% if I tried. I'm just saying your example doesn't fit the vast majority of people even here, in the good ol' USA, who're struggling economically.


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Friday, February 12, 2021 5:16 AM

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I did make a point to specify those living in "Western Town".
IIRC that was in your reply, not your original post, after I said I was thinking more globally and inclusively.



It didn't need to be in my original post. I don't expect people to to read minds or foretell where a conversation will end up going, and I expect the same courtesy from them as well.

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Roll your own. Brown bag the lunch. Bring a pot of coffee with you in a travel thermos. You've just saved $4,000 to $6,000 per year.
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That kind of makes me think of Geezer ... or was it CC, I get the 2 confused in my memory a times ... who said the problem of eating fast food could be solved by going to the grocery store (on a bus, in a 'food desert'), buying rice and beans in bulk and cooking every day (when you're working 2 or more jobs), and shopping the sales to put in your freezer (that you bought with your non-existent extra cash). Not everyone lives by themselves, for themselves. Not everyone has the time, energy, tools, or skills, to implement handy 'fixes'. Not everyone lives in virtually zero-cost housing. I'm not arguing that people don't make poor choices. They absolutely do. Even ** I **, miserly as I am, know I could probably trim my budget at least 30% if I tried. I'm just saying your example doesn't fit the vast majority of people even here, in the good ol' USA, who're struggling economically.




Rolling your own cigarettes if you smoke is the easiest and cheapest thing to do. I know you don't smoke, personally, but work a night shift at a retail store and you'd quickly learn that you're in the vast minority.

A can of coffee at Aldi is 5 bucks. A good thermos is around $30.

Where I live, a pack of Newports is $8.00 (cheap around here compared to many other places nationally). A cup of coffee at McDonalds is $1.50. If you smoked one pack per day, Rolling your own cigarettes for the day and making your own coffee would save $3,000, and you'd have an entire pot of coffee compared to only a single cup for the day.

If you smoked 2 packs in a day, you've just saved $5,475.

This is all after tax/ss/medicare is taken out. It's the biggest raise you're ever going to see in a life of thankless retail work.

That almost immediately takes care of your "non-existant cash" problem, and can get the ball rolling to buy food in bulk.


If you don't smoke, you're spending money on other bullshit like Cable TV. Cut the cord. Don't buy a new iPhone every two years because of peer pressure. Paying $100 a month for a phone plan? Get US Mobile and reduce it to $25 a month for the same thing (They use Verizon towers and will even mail you 2 sim cards and let you test it out for 2 weeks before they start billing you, contract free). Pay less than $3 a month for a Magic Jack phone. Figure it out.



My example used the poorest of the poor, Kiki. People you probably don't ever associate with. People who by all rights shouldn't even be smoking premium cigarettes and buying restaurant coffee with how little they make. (A lot of those people at KMart, I walked through the steps to get on food stamps because they didn't even know they'd qualify for them).

I'm the one guy there who could afford to do it if he wanted to, but I don't, and that's why I'm the one guy there who could afford to if he wanted to.

I'm not the model for how everybody else should live. NOT because I've already set myself up right, but because I wouldn't expect anybody else to go without so many things for so long and be miserly to the point of borderline-insanity just to get there. But almost everybody here living in the US has a lot more wiggle room than they think they do, even in this shit economy.

They just need to ask themselves if they are going to allow their bad habits and addictions that are in their control contribute to their status as a virtual slave or not.

Me to anybody I've ever worked overnights with: "Hey... You wanna be lazy and wonder why nothing in your life ever improves? That's perfectly fine if worrying about money is how you like to spend your free time. Just don't come bitching to me about your situation or how little we get paid when I already told you how you can get yourself out of it.

Especially not when we're on break and you've got a Newport hanging out of your mouth."




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Friday, February 12, 2021 6:29 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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6 - I did make a point to specify those living in "Western Town".
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k - IIRC that was in your reply, not your original post, after I said I was thinking more globally and inclusively.
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6 - It didn't need to be in my original post. I don't expect people to to read minds or foretell where a conversation will end up going, and I expect the same courtesy from them as well.
Well, I clarified my thoughts by explaining I was thinking more globally and inclusively, to discuss the topic. So ... where's the problem? We're discussing things ...
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6 - Roll your own. Brown bag the lunch. Bring a pot of coffee with you in a travel thermos. You've just saved $4,000 to $6,000 per year.
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k - That kind of makes me think of Geezer ... or was it CC, I get the 2 confused in my memory a times ... who said the problem of eating fast food could be solved by going to the grocery store (on a bus, in a 'food desert'), buying rice and beans in bulk and cooking every day (when you're working 2 or more jobs), and shopping the sales to put in your freezer (that you bought with your non-existent extra cash). Not everyone lives by themselves, for themselves. Not everyone has the time, energy, tools, or skills, to implement handy 'fixes'. Not everyone lives in virtually zero-cost housing. I'm not arguing that people don't make poor choices. They absolutely do. Even ** I **, miserly as I am, know I could probably trim my budget at least 30% if I tried. I'm just saying your example doesn't fit the vast majority of people even here, in the good ol' USA, who're struggling economically.
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6 - Rolling your own cigarettes if you smoke is the easiest and cheapest thing to do. I know you don't smoke, personally, but work a night shift at a retail store and you'd quickly learn that you're in the vast minority.

A can of coffee at Aldi is 5 bucks. A good thermos is around $30.

Where I live, a pack of Newports is $8.00 (cheap around here compared to many other places nationally). A cup of coffee at McDonalds is $1.50. If you smoked one pack per day, Rolling your own cigarettes for the day and making your own coffee would save $3,000, and you'd have an entire pot of coffee compared to only a single cup for the day.

If you smoked 2 packs in a day, you've just saved $5,475.

This is all after tax/ss/medicare is taken out. It's the biggest raise you're ever going to see in a life of thankless retail work.

That almost immediately takes care of your "non-existant cash" problem, and can get the ball rolling to buy food in bulk.


If you don't smoke, you're spending money on other bullshit like Cable TV. Cut the cord. Don't buy a new iPhone every two years because of peer pressure. Paying $100 a month for a phone plan? Get US Mobile and reduce it to $25 a month for the same thing (They use Verizon towers and will even mail you 2 sim cards and let you test it out for 2 weeks before they start billing you, contract free). Pay less than $3 a month for a Magic Jack phone. Figure it out.



My example used the poorest of the poor, Kiki. People you probably don't ever associate with. People who by all rights shouldn't even be smoking premium cigarettes and buying restaurant coffee with how little they make. (A lot of those people at KMart, I walked through the steps to get on food stamps because they didn't even know they'd qualify for them).

I'm the one guy there who could afford to do it if he wanted to, but I don't, and that's why I'm the one guy there who could afford to if he wanted to.

I'm not the model for how everybody else should live. NOT because I've already set myself up right, but because I wouldn't expect anybody else to go without so many things for so long and be miserly to the point of borderline-insanity just to get there. But almost everybody here living in the US has a lot more wiggle room than they think they do, even in this shit economy.

They just need to ask themselves if they are going to allow their bad habits and addictions that are in their control contribute to their status as a virtual slave or not.

Me to anybody I've ever worked overnights with: "Hey... You wanna be lazy and wonder why nothing in your life ever improves? That's perfectly fine if worrying about money is how you like to spend your free time. Just don't come bitching to me about your situation or how little we get paid when I already told you how you can get yourself out of it.

Especially not when we're on break and you've got a Newport hanging out of your mouth."




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Ok - doing the math -
one cup of coffee @ 1.50/ day is 547.50 a year

half a pack of cigarettes @ 4.00/ day is 1460.00 a year
obviously a pack a day @ 8.00/ day is 2920.00 a year

Cable TV where I live is a necessity if you want to watch TV at all, because the signal doesn't go over the hills. And I know a lot of rural areas aren't w/in TV signal range. I'd say generally, if you have kids, you'll have TV service because you need to keep them busy if you're doing things at home and can't amuse them/ oversee them /keep them busy 100%.

"My example used the poorest of the poor, Kiki. People you probably don't ever associate with." HOW THE EFF WOULD ** YOU ** KNOW, JACK? Do you really think I don't have relatives and friends in that position?

"But almost everybody here living in the US has a lot more wiggle room than they think they do, even in this shit economy." Not the people that I've seen. They work hard at many jobs. They drive shit cars that a seem to always bonk out on them every month or 2. They get 'consumer cellular' and don't have a landline, using a phone even older than mine. They don't smoke or drink, and make coffee at home. They diligently shop the sales for groceries. And so on. Maybe you know a lot of young(er) fools, but the people I know who are struggling financially are doing their absolute best to manage.

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Friday, February 12, 2021 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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6 - I did make a point to specify those living in "Western Town".
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k - IIRC that was in your reply, not your original post, after I said I was thinking more globally and inclusively.
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6 - It didn't need to be in my original post. I don't expect people to to read minds or foretell where a conversation will end up going, and I expect the same courtesy from them as well.
Well, I clarified my thoughts by explaining I was thinking more globally and inclusively, to discuss the topic. So ... where's the problem? We're discussing things ...



The problem comes in the flow of the conversation. Or YDRC.

You brought it up first in reply to my "original post" (which wasn't really original in the flow either, but the first time you wrote back about it when I was talking to Sigs).

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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What we have instead is people being forced into the ever increasing competition of the Roman arena of war of all against all. Where you have highly skilled people competing for low paying jobs, for example. And people being shunted into non-productive "non-essential" make-work, to scramble as best they can to keep afloat.
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This right here is about half of the reason I've decided to opt out of the rat race. If I'm going to bust my ass and lend my perfectionist skills to make somebody else look good (and make money for them), then I'm going to do it as little as possible.
Capitalism for the masses. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

Sadly, almost all people by birth or circumstance have no other choice but to play the losing end. The western-dominated world is a company town. It determines the jobs, pays the wages, and fixes the prices you pay.

So I hope there's enough mental charity going around everywhere to understand we have this common problem, that can only ultimately be solved in common.



Since I wasn't originally talking about everyone in the country, let alone the world (I was only talking about myself when you quoted that and replied), my reply went as follows:

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This is true, but you can limit the amount you need to play by being a lot wiser with how you spend your after tax dollars. I don't mean you, specifically... I mean people in general and particularly those in the Western Town.


So far, so good...

But then you brought it up again:

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I was thinking more globally and inclusively. The women and children who live on the dumps in the Philippines have no choice but to work HARD every single day just to have a chance to survive another day. They don't get to sit back and decide how much they'll participate today...

So being independent, or close enough to it - for the moment anyway - isn't an option for most, looking globally at the western-dominated world.



Dude. I know. I got your drift. I already addressed it.





For brevity, I'm going to remove the rest of our post history on this now and just focus on your reply.

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Ok - doing the math -
one cup of coffee @ 1.50/ day is 547.50 a year

half a pack of cigarettes @ 4.00/ day is 1460.00 a year
obviously a pack a day @ 8.00/ day is 2920.00 a year



Yup. My numbers are smaller than that though because rolling your own still isn't free, and neither is cheap coffee made at home. You're also going to need a $50 rolling machine and a $25 coffee pot if you're one of the few people in America that don't already have one in their house.

Don't forget that you're nearly breaching $5,500 a year if you smoke two packs a day. Also don't forget that I live in one of the cheapest areas to buy them too. I honestly wouldn't even want to know what a pack of cigarettes cost in L.A. or San Fransisco. Last time I heard they're $15 in the city of Chicago.

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Cable TV where I live is a necessity if you want to watch TV at all, because the signal doesn't go over the hills. And I know a lot of rural areas aren't w/in TV signal range.


It's actually not. If you're already wasting money on a smartphone, You can use cell phone service as a wi-fi hotspot, and there are plenty of free streaming services out there like Pluto TV and imdbTV... and Kodi if you don't mind bending the rules a bit. (and with 5G plans coming out and even being made available to economy tier services like US Mobile and Consumer Cellular, it shouldn't be long until unlimited data is reasonably priced).

If you ditch the smart phone and only keep a $30/mo unlimited talk and text (which I HIGHLY recommend), you can get a very cheap Internet Only cable service. Chances are that in and of itself it will come with a limited free streaming service of its own, on top of your ability to easily stream free services like Pluto TV and imdbTV at whim. (If you didn't know, Pluto TV IS free basic cable... it's totally legit and advertised on TV. It boggles my mind how it's free and that the cable companies allow it, but here we are).

Brenda still goes to the library to rent movies and TV shows (I assume for free). This is also still an option. My old man did that all the time for us when he'd have us after the divorce.

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I'd say generally, if you have kids, you'll have TV service because you need to keep them busy if you're doing things at home and can't amuse them/ oversee them /keep them busy 100%.


See above.

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"My example used the poorest of the poor, Kiki. People you probably don't ever associate with." HOW THE EFF WOULD ** YOU ** KNOW, JACK? Do you really think I don't have relatives and friends in that position?


Okay. So maybe you have people that at least say they're in that position. People like to whine. Especially to somebody who will listen to them. Even more so if you're the type always doing favors for them and rarely ever getting them paid back too.

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"But almost everybody here living in the US has a lot more wiggle room than they think they do, even in this shit economy." Not the people that I've seen. They work hard at many jobs. They drive shit cars that a seem to always bonk out on them every month or 2. They get 'consumer cellular' and don't have a landline, using a phone even older than mine. They don't smoke or drink, and make coffee at home. They diligently shop the sales for groceries. And so on. Maybe you know a lot of young(er) fools, but the people I know who are struggling financially are doing their absolute best to manage.



You're just talking about older fools who were once younger fools. People who did a bunch of dumb shit with money all their lives and really have no incentive at all to try to stop being consumers at this point. People who actually lived in a GREAT economy when they were younger fools relative to what we've got right here and now.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt though, if these are people you know living in California. The tax situation out there is bonkers even in comparison to Illinois. It's a wonder anybody in California has any money at all.

And half of the people I've worked with overnights at my last two jobs were older than I am... Some of them even quite a bit older. No teenagers at all, and only a few 20-somethings in the mix. We're all doing the jobs that kids used to do when I was a kid.


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Friday, February 12, 2021 11:57 AM

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I would like to add that I'm not taking the position that everything is fair and if life sucks we're the only ones to blame about it.

All I'm saying is that if people are REALLY honest with themselves about how they spend their money, a good majority of Americans could do a whole lot better than they are right now and sleep a little easier at night once they've freed up enough cash to start buying food in bulk to further free a bit up and at least build up a little safety net instead of living completely paycheck to paycheck.

The amount of people in this country who are legitimately, completely powerless over their personal situation is not very large. It exists, sure... but to say that everyone making under X amount of dollars IS, well to me that's not just downright insulting to people on an individual level, but it also enables people to just keep making wrong decisions and blame everybody but themselves for never trying to improve their life even if just one small goal at a time.


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Friday, February 12, 2021 12:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


And also, I always get the feeling that you seem to think that I somehow just magically fell into this situation I've put myself into now.

That wasn't the case. This didn't just happen overnight because of "white male".

I cut the cell phone early, and along with that cut out a lot of the bad influences in my life who couldn't save a dime if they won the PowerBall. I cut the cord on the Cable TV 7 years earlier than that. I cut coupons. I hunted for sales. I've bought all my clothes at the thrift shop for the last 15 years. I drive a car that was born when I started my very first job, and only last summer got it working to the point that I feel safe driving it more than 10 miles in any direction.

There was a lot of sacrifice involved to get here, and stay here. And really, once you get used to your new normal, like Elton John said "it's no sacrifice at all".

And I'm hardly out of the woods to this day... exclusively because of my own bad behavior. I'm still trying to dig myself out of the pit I threw myself in.


That would be my one caveat of setting yourself up like I am. Unless you've got an iron will, and a real plan and focus or even just any idea at all about what you want to do going forward, you're probably going to get to a point where you make a whole lot of bad choices for yourself when you realize that you're left with a life of almost zero obligations.

I'm actually lucky I'm still alive, really.


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Friday, February 12, 2021 4:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




I made a very general comment about the system
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k - What we have instead is people being forced into the ever increasing competition of the Roman arena of war of all against all.
which you directed towards yourself
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J - This right here is about half of the reason I've decided to opt out of the rat race. If I'm going to bust my ass and lend my perfectionist skills to make somebody else look good (and make money for them), then I'm going to do it as little as possible.
which I redirected toward the general(global) case
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k - Capitalism for the masses. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."
Sadly, almost all people by birth or circumstance have no other choice but to play the losing end. The western-dominated world is a company town. It determines the jobs, pays the wages, and fixes the prices you pay.

which you redirected back to yourself again, as an example of how individuals could improve their situation
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J - Simply refuse to be a consumer (in the Western Town).
That may be the first disconnect. in the convo. I mentioned the "western-dominated world is a company town", but it doesn't just mean the US. Because western-style economies all around the globe from Argentina to the Philippines and Angola to Lithuania are dominated by the more powerful western economies and militaries, that interfere in everything from individual business deals (NordStream 2), to governments, to entire economies. And if you try to run your own country and economy independently - why, just look at Libya.
Which is why I brought up the global AGAIN.
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k - I was thinking more globally and inclusively. The women and children who live on the dumps in the Philippines have no choice but to work HARD every single day just to have a chance to survive another day. They don't get to sit back and decide how much they'll participate today.


We seem to be in 2 different conversations: me constantly addressing the general and global, and you talking about yourself as an example.

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Friday, February 12, 2021 9:25 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:



We seem to be in 2 different conversations: me constantly addressing the general and global, and you talking about yourself as an example.




Methinks she does dance around the word "Narcissist" too much.

That didn't take as long as I thought.







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Friday, February 12, 2021 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
which you directed towards yourself


I was already talking about myself and you quoted me, talking about myself..

If you care to pick up the conversation further, feel free. Otherwise, I couldn't care less.




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Friday, February 12, 2021 10:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



What this is
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What we have instead is people being forced into the ever increasing competition of the Roman arena of war of all against all. Where you have highly skilled people competing for low paying jobs, for example. And people being shunted into non-productive "non-essential" make-work, to scramble as best they can to keep afloat.
is me responding TO SIGNY, you dork! Which you responded to with repeated posts about you. Your generation. People you work with.

Just sayin'.

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Friday, February 12, 2021 10:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I posted my two cents at the end of my post quoting that, most of that post was to Sigs.

You seem to think that I've worked magic and/or I'm lording over my white male privilege and don't' deserve what I have and/or everybody else in the damn country has no choice but to live as a slave for the rest of their lives.

For most, there is another way. But you can't just wave a magic wand and make it happen overnight, and it's anything but easy.

If you're just going to keep telling me that I'm wrong, or I'm somehow just a special case, I see no reason to converse any further with you on this issue.


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Saturday, February 13, 2021 1:01 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




You posted more than once that you 'lucked' into your good job, that you didn't deserve it. Maybe you disavow that now, but that's what you posted then. That's OK. Memories tend to re-write histories. And in any case, you wouldn't be where you are now without that one good job, however you got it.


So, to again try to discuss the topic I was on, which is not about you, let me quote my reply to you
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Sadly, almost all people by birth or circumstance have no other choice but to play the losing end. The western-dominated world (ie the many countries around the world dominated by western capitalism) is a company town. It determines the jobs, pays the wages, and fixes the prices you pay.

So I hope there's enough mental charity going around everywhere (ie around the globe) to understand we have this common problem, that can only ultimately be solved in common.



Capice?

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