Dec 10, google begins The Purge; and other big tech nastiness. And gee, just before campaiging really starts ... by SIGNYM

That's how the 2nd internet gets created.

If anybody thinks there is a problem communicating with the other "side" today, imagine how much harder it's going to be when people make a conscious choice to use one or the other.

Nothing good comes from shutting down opinions that you don't like. They should be out in the open where they can be ridiculed and dismissed, not covered up where they can fester or find alternative means of making their way out.

I'd certainly put more value on knowing what the people I don't agree with are up to than those who I do. Far more.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:58 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"don't be evil"

Unless being evil makes you lots of money.

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Friday, December 6, 2019 12:02 AM

Evil and Good are subjective.

A lot of people who work for Google think that they're doing good.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 6, 2019 12:15 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I wonder what they're thinking. Google is a commercial enterprise whose goal is to make money ... and it's not drilling wells in Africa, or distributing chickens and goats in South America; it's not clearing plastic out of the oceans, or restoring blighted reefs ...

... where I worked I knew my efforts were improving people's health, and cleaning up the environment ... and my paycheck was going to benefit people I love and care about. I knew where the good was located.

I'm not sure I see what good there is in google. I'm having a hard time imagining it.

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Friday, December 6, 2019 1:27 AM

My brother worked there.

It's a cult. It took a while for him to de-program himself after leaving.

Look at the people we've got in here. Nobody here would say that they are evil.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 6, 2019 4:17 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

That's true.

The more I watch of "Why We Hate" the more I see it as part and parcel of tribalism.

Very few people get together in groups under the rubric 'we're moral lepers and even we don't approve of us'. Being in a tribe means your group is good, which means everything you do is righteous. And of course the 'not you' is evil so everything you do to them is justified. It's just all part of the tribal capacity in people.

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Friday, December 6, 2019 9:28 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
That's true.

The more I watch of "Why We Hate" the more I see it as part and parcel of tribalism.

Very few people get together in groups under the rubric 'we're moral lepers and even we don't approve of us'. Being in a tribe means your group is good, which means everything you do is righteous. And of course the 'not you' is evil so everything you do to them is justified. It's just all part of the tribal capacity in people.

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Friday, December 6, 2019 10:00 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Look at the people we've got in here. Nobody here would say that they are evil.

They aren't any more evil than any other giant corporation - pay f*ckin' attention just once. Monsanto and some Big Pharma's are much worse.

Except maybe Facebook, they've become more evil. They sold user data without (hidden) consent to Russia - that sh*t is even borderline treasonous. Funny, I never hear you or the Harpies say anything bad about them - or did I just miss it?

And as for a "second Internet." lol, that's funny. Reminds me of how much people still don't get what The Internet is. It's like back when people thought AOL was "The Internet." Start your own streaming service, use any of the other ones, vote with your dollars and usage. It's called Capitalism - I'll throw in caveat emptor while I'm here as well.
Even more - not everyone uses Googletube to get out their video/streaming message. The people peddling the real nasty sh*t never go close to Youtube, so YT's change of service is pretty much moot. It does provide the whiny b*tches who use YouTube content to whine about, though, which equals more views for them, so Cha-Ching!

You want to know when you'll really have something to worry about? I mean serious time to march on the WH? It's when your uploads are throttled or edited or deleted by your Internet Access provider. That's when your actual Freedom of Speech is in jeopardy. Fortunately, we're not Russia yet. Give Trump another term though and check back in 5 years. If you can, lol.

For now I'll just chalk this thread up to another one of SIGGY's "agitation for the day" threads.

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Friday, December 6, 2019 11:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Look at the people we've got in here. Nobody here would say that they are evil. KIKI

They aren't any more evil than any other giant corporation - pay f*ckin' attention just once. Monsanto and some Big Pharma's are much worse.

Except maybe Facebook, they've become more evil. They sold user data without (hidden) consent to Russia - that sh*t is even borderline treasonous. Funny, I never hear you or the Harpies say anything bad about them - or did I just miss it?

You missed it. And I was just getting around to them in THIS thread too, because nobody can post about the evil tech companies until they've posted about Google, Twitter, FB ... Apple, Microsoft, Amazon ... Spectum, AT&T, Verizon, Disney, Comcast...

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And as for a "second Internet." lol, that's funny. Reminds me of how much people still don't get what The Internet is. It's like back when people thought AOL was "The Internet." Start your own streaming service, use any of the other ones, vote with your dollars and usage. It's called Capitalism - I'll throw in caveat emptor while I'm here as well.
Even more - not everyone uses Googletube to get out their video/streaming message. The people peddling the real nasty sh*t never go close to Youtube, so YT's change of service is pretty much moot.

Not true. There is a vast user base of posters on Youtube with everything from tool reviews (AvE) to politics (Duran, Tom Luongo, Greg Hunter, Paul Joseph Watson* and too many more to name), "how to" (too many to name), comedy and satire (Soph, Jimmy Dore, too many more to name) and "favorite music" who are neither "really nasty" nor do they fit into google's new "business model".

* Who has already been "unpersonned" by Google, for no reason than I can see except biting satire.

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You want to know when you'll really have something to worry about? I mean serious time to march on the WH? It's when your uploads are throttled or edited or deleted by your Internet Access provider.

Oh jeez. Been there, done that. Thank you, Verizon!

What I'm waiting for is when some smart fella or lady in gubmint notices that these service providers have changed from being PLATFORMS to being PUBLISHERS .... with all of the liabilities (including defamation) attached.

Well, FCC? Gonna get on the stick soon?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Friday, December 6, 2019 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Look at the people we've got in here. Nobody here would say that they are evil.

They aren't any more evil than any other giant corporation - pay f*ckin' attention just once. Monsanto and some Big Pharma's are much worse.

Except maybe Facebook, they've become more evil. They sold user data without (hidden) consent to Russia - that sh*t is even borderline treasonous. Funny, I never hear you or the Harpies say anything bad about them - or did I just miss it?

Are you fucking kidding me?

I've got a long history of ragging on Monsanto, Big Pharma and Big Oil here.

I also trash Facebook and Twitter and social media in general all the time.

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And as for a "second Internet." lol, that's funny. Reminds me of how much people still don't get what The Internet is. It's like back when people thought AOL was "The Internet." Start your own streaming service, use any of the other ones, vote with your dollars and usage. It's called Capitalism - I'll throw in caveat emptor while I'm here as well.

lol. Please. Tell me what the internet is. This ought to be good.

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Even more - not everyone uses Googletube to get out their video/streaming message. The people peddling the real nasty sh*t never go close to Youtube, so YT's change of service is pretty much moot. It does provide the whiny b*tches who use YouTube content to whine about, though, which equals more views for them, so Cha-Ching!

You want to know when you'll really have something to worry about? I mean serious time to march on the WH? It's when your uploads are throttled or edited or deleted by your Internet Access provider. That's when your actual Freedom of Speech is in jeopardy. Fortunately, we're not Russia yet. Give Trump another term though and check back in 5 years. If you can, lol.

For now I'll just chalk this thread up to another one of SIGGY's "agitation for the day" threads.

No. We need to worry when censorship is happening at any level. It's happening now.

It's also happening to both sides. The Facebooks and Twitters and YouTubes made it a wedge issue by only targeting people on the right at first. This got the useful idiots on both sides fighting each other about it. Now they are free to censor anyone they want, because everybody is too busy arguing with each other to look at the real problem.

These companies are strictly money driven. Facebook selling data to Russia is just the tip of the iceberg. With companies in the media and tech consistently bending the knee to China and their rules regarding what can and cannot be seen because of how much money they stand to lose if they don't follow them, I'd be more concerned about China that I would be about Russia and big tech as a whole.

Take the movie Joker as an example. Even though it was banned from being screened in China, it made 20 times what it cost to produce. Had they neutered it to satisfy China's rules, it would have made 25 to 30 times what it cost.

If dumb 'ol Jack from Indiana is smart enough to notice that, you better believe that the multi-million dollar heads at WB took notice of it too and will plan accordingly in the future.

And BTW... What do you think all of your bitching about Russia meddling in the election is going to result in?

If that really did happen through online campaigns, the only way to stop it would be more control over the internet. The only two options for that are leaving that control in the hands of our own Government (bad news) or in the control of multi-national corporations that don't answer to the US Government or give two shits about the US Constitution (worse news).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 6, 2019 11:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The splintering of the p2p communication into silos / echo chambers is both unfortunate and dangerous.

That's one of the things I appreciated about this website: It attracted a wide variety of people (something about the show, I guess!) - unregenerate Confederates, bicoastal urban liberals, anarcho- and corporate-libertarians, true socialists, Rush Limbaugh dittoheads, ex-spooks and current military, regulators and business people, people just borderline crazy or maybe a little bit beyond ... not just from the USA but from other nations as well. People smart as whips ... MUCH smarter than me and smarter than most of the people still remaining. They were willing to argue their points intelligently and with passion and I learned a lot.

I really know of no equivalent today, not even here. Now this site just looks like a smaller version of CNN where people regularly get together to call the unpopular opinion "Russian troll" or other such nonsense.

Communication works much better where EVERYONE can meet, and it works best when people actually ... er ... communicate.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Friday, December 6, 2019 12:43 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Please. Tell me what the internet is. This ought to be good.

"The Internet is the global system of interconnected computer networks that use the Internet protocol suite (TCP/IP) to link devices worldwide. It is a network of networks that consists of private, public, academic, business, and government networks of local to global scope, linked by a broad array of electronic, wireless, and optical networking technologies. The Internet carries a vast range of information resources and services, such as the inter-linked hypertext documents and applications of the World Wide Web (WWW), electronic mail, telephony, and file sharing." - wikipedia

In other words: it ain't Google. Google uses the Internet. It really is amazing how much you don't know for claiming to be a computer *expert.*

Glad I could clear that up for ya.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. We need to worry when censorship is happening at any level. It's happening now.

No. You're just bitching because you're parroting all those angry whiners on youtube (and here). The same ones that are scared sh*tless that their money train might go off the rails.

Can you say "fuck" on broadcast news? Yes, you can and it will get deleted. Censorship! OMG! Can you spray paint an elementary school with violent imagery and a tinfoil hat manifesto? Sure - and go to jail. Censorship! OMG! There are literally hundreds if not thousands of other such examples of "you can't say anything anywhere." You're missing perspective and context.

Plus, when it comes to privately held companies it's their rules mostly or Gov code of public conduct or other laws we as a nation have accepted. Sorry dude, move somewhere else if you're choking on too much freedom of expression.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
These companies are strictly money driven.

Holy shit! Even a blind chicken eventually finds a kernel.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Facebook selling data to Russia is just the tip of the iceberg. With companies in the media and tech consistently bending the knee to China and their rules regarding what can and cannot be seen because of how much money they stand to lose if they don't follow them, I'd be more concerned about China that I would be about Russia and big tech as a whole.

Take the movie Joker as an example. Even though it was banned from being screened in China, it made 20 times what it cost to produce. Had they neutered it to satisfy China's rules, it would have made 25 to 30 times what it cost.

If dumb 'ol Jack from Indiana is smart enough to notice that, you better believe that the multi-million dollar heads at WB took notice of it too and will plan accordingly in the future.

Now you're complaining about what China allows on their "Internet" because it made Joker a worse movie?? Ok, let's get right on that! lol - f*cksake.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And BTW... What do you think all of your bitching about Russia meddling in the election is going to result in?

Less meddling.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If that really did happen through online campaigns, the only way to stop it would be more control over the internet. The only two options for that are leaving that control in the hands of our own Government (bad news) or in the control of multi-national corporations that don't answer to the US Government or give two shits about the US Constitution (worse news).

Congratulations, you just described the problem - 2 kernels for Jack!

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Friday, December 6, 2019 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Please. Tell me what the internet is. This ought to be good.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
"The Internet is the global system of interconnected computer networks that use the Internet protocol suite (TCP/IP) to link devices worldwide. It is a network of networks that consists of private, public, academic, business, and government networks of local to global scope, linked by a broad array of electronic, wireless, and optical networking technologies. The Internet carries a vast range of information resources and services, such as the inter-linked hypertext documents and applications of the World Wide Web (WWW), electronic mail, telephony, and file sharing." - wikipedia

In other words: it ain't Google. Google uses the Internet. It really is amazing how much you don't know for claiming to be a computer *expert.*

Glad I could clear that up for ya.

I don't even understand what your argument is here.

I don't think you do either.

Nice cut and paste job, BTW.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. We need to worry when censorship is happening at any level. It's happening now.

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No. You're just bitching because you're parroting all those angry whiners on youtube (and here). The same ones that are scared sh*tless that their money train might go off the rails.

Can you say "fuck" on broadcast news? Yes, you can and it will get deleted. Censorship! OMG! Can you spray paint an elementary school with violent imagery and a tinfoil hat manifesto? Sure - and go to jail. Censorship! OMG! There are literally hundreds if not thousands of other such examples of "you can't say anything anywhere." You're missing perspective and context.

Plus, when it comes to privately held companies it's their rules mostly or Gov code of public conduct or other laws we as a nation have accepted. Sorry dude, move somewhere else if you're choking on too much freedom of expression.

I don't have to move anywhere else. I will just go somewhere else online where that censorship behavior is not tolerated. Which is my point. Which is what you're trying to unsuccessfully argue against.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
These companies are strictly money driven.

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Holy shit! Even a blind chicken eventually finds a kernel.

Still waiting for you to take your head out of your asshole so we can see if you are blind or not.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Facebook selling data to Russia is just the tip of the iceberg. With companies in the media and tech consistently bending the knee to China and their rules regarding what can and cannot be seen because of how much money they stand to lose if they don't follow them, I'd be more concerned about China that I would be about Russia and big tech as a whole.

Take the movie Joker as an example. Even though it was banned from being screened in China, it made 20 times what it cost to produce. Had they neutered it to satisfy China's rules, it would have made 25 to 30 times what it cost.

If dumb 'ol Jack from Indiana is smart enough to notice that, you better believe that the multi-million dollar heads at WB took notice of it too and will plan accordingly in the future.

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Now you're complaining about what China allows on their "Internet" because it made Joker a worse movie?? Ok, let's get right on that! lol - f*cksake.

Yes. Because I can stand outside of the box and view general trends.

The difference in my abilities compared to yours is like you being an ant and only seeing things on a 2D plane compared to human beings.

It's really not even worth discussing with you since there is no way that you would ever understand. It's just too far beyond your inferior intellect.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And BTW... What do you think all of your bitching about Russia meddling in the election is going to result in?

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Less meddling.

No shit. And I spelled out to you the only two ways that's going to happen. Neither of them are good.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If that really did happen through online campaigns, the only way to stop it would be more control over the internet. The only two options for that are leaving that control in the hands of our own Government (bad news) or in the control of multi-national corporations that don't answer to the US Government or give two shits about the US Constitution (worse news).

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Congratulations, you just described the problem - 2 kernels for Jack!

So then what the fuck are you arguing with me about, you turd?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 6, 2019 2:52 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Except maybe Facebook, they've become more evil."

Facebook and other social media are social diseases you have to make a point of getting. I can't see why anyone would sign up for them and then complain.

"Funny, I never hear you or the Harpies say anything bad about them." I have no PERSONAL complaints about it ... see above. But I've criticized it plenty.

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Friday, November 27, 2020 7:12 AM

Q&A: Will Twitter, Facebook crack down on Trump?

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/article247416720.html

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 5:40 AM

Twitter, Facebook and Snapchat have decided to suspend or lock the US President, Donald Trump, from posting

https://techweez.com/2021/01/07/twitter-facebook-and-snapchat-suspend-
donald-trump-from-posting/

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:05 AM

Hopefully those that believed Trump was the last defense against Tech Giants controlling what voices can and cannot be heard in the future are wrong, or 2021 marks the end of the golden age of the internet, and possibly freedom of speech in the Brave New World.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:19 AM

Donald Trump says he should have banned Facebook in US, but didn’t because ‘Zuckerberg kept calling me’

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-says-banned-facebook-114912862.htm
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Monday, June 28, 2021 7:13 PM

He's on Rumble

https://rumble.com/c/DonaldTrump

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 8:08 PM

2022 will be the ‘do or die’ moment for Congress to take action against Big Tech

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/31/2022-will-be-the-do-or-die-moment-for-
congress-to-take-action-against-big-tech.html

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Friday, February 18, 2022 7:45 PM

Donald Trump fans test his new platform: ‘I can see my participation in Truth Social outgrowing Twitter’

https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/17/donald-trump-fans-test-his-new-social-m
edia-platform-truth-social-16125001/

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Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:19 AM

Biden Cabinet Member openly calls for censorship by big tech, allowing sexual predators to manipulate puberty stricken youths?

crazy schizo groomer Dude look like a Lady? Rachel Levine ripped for demanding censorship asked Big Tech to censor views disputing the positives of "gender-affirming care."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rachel-levine-ripped-demanding-censorshi
p-misinformation-gender-affirming-care-kids

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