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Another mass shooting in the USA this time Dayton, Ohio reports 10 injured, 10 dead, this time shooter was killed?

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UPDATED: Monday, August 5, 2019 12:52
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Sunday, August 4, 2019 9:01 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


You also had a mass shooting at the Garlic Festival which largely went unreported here

Not long ago the Virginia Beach Municipal Center shootings

now Texas mass murder

Now this one
https://www.whio.com/news/crime--law/police-responding-active-shooting
-oregon-district/dHOvgFCs726CylnDLdZQxM/amp.html

Police responding to active shooting at bar in Dayton, OH
https://www.fox4now.com/news/national/active-shooter-reported-in-dayto
n-ohio

10 dead in the Oregon District of Dayton, Ohio USA. Mass shooting with 10 possible casualties.

The USA has more criminal random mass shootings than any other country in the world.

article regarding the shooting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/news/2019/08/dayton-ohio-active
-shooter-shooting/amp
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person claims there was an active shooter with an AR15 in a bar - their accounts:

https://twitter.com/xcadaverx/status/1157889841851449344

https://twitter.com/HannahRayNinja/status/1157890746638372864

Another mass shooting. This time Within 13 hours of each other.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 8:19 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Dayton Gunman Reportedly Suspended From High School for Writing “Hit List” on Wall
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/dayton-gunman-suspended-hi
gh-school-hit-list-on-wall.html


Dayton shooter obsessed with killing, Bellbrook classmates say
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/new-details-dayton-shooter-
obsessed-with-killing-bellbrook-classmates-say/uCuyd2JeZzo70NDgArsqOI
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Shooter known at bar as friendly trivia player
https://www.mrt.com/news/texas/article/The-Latest-9-killed-at-least-16
-hurt-in-Ohio-14279134.php


Dayton Mass Shooting Victims List: Names, Photos & Tributes | Heavy
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/dayton-shooting-victims-names-photos-li
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Both Dayton Ohio shooter and El Paso wore hearing protection.

https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1158122203419959297
twitter
and twitter has now suspended his account?

Body armor, the mass murder gun of choice (AR-15) and targeting civilians.

Ohio gunman had bulletproof vest, was stopped within 30 seconds of opening fire outside bar, police say
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dayton-ohio-shooting-massacre-bar

Megan Betts, Connor Betts’ Sister, Dead: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-sister-megan-betts/


Josh Campbell? Verified twitteraccount
https://twitter.com/joshscampbell
This was a punch to the gut. I checked in with a law enforcement official for updates on the latest mass shooting. The reply: “You’ll have to be more specific regarding which massacre you’re referring to.”

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Monday, August 5, 2019 10:30 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The dumb fuck killed his own sister. The police say they killed him within 20 seconds, but he still managed to hit 20 people in 20 seconds? That sort of efficiency is hard to believe unless he was Rambo.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 12:52 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


It's very possible, perhaps you have to try to get your head around the mind set of the bad guy and think of the worst case nightmare scenario that could happen a bunch of innocent people

I'm not really into guns but over the years I met guys into their guns seen a lot of videos, and there was always this debate about the AK47 vs the old M16 or modern AR15 ... both of them lethal weapons, used by armies, law enforcement and military across the world

Worst case scenario builds - a psychopath a terrorist a mad killer gets the weapon, this evil person who wants to kill as many as possible

The crazy killer has some level of traning, which means they don't just get anrgy and spray in random directions, the killer is aware has a skill and get to shoot who they want to kill

Next they pick a busy area, which means a bullet could pass through more than one person, fragment, debris, tiny bits of bullets also go flying at high speeds, this can also damage organs etc glass goes flying, the situation escalates, more innocent are caught in the stampeed

The AK47 carries a bigger more powerful bullet than an AR15 but sometimes this bullet can pass through a person without killing them, the AR15 bullet a payload of kinetic energy rips open a cavity inside the flesh, sometimes it tumbles inside the body cutting up people from their insides out.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/all-american-k
iller-how-the-ar-15-became-mass-shooters-weapon-of-choice-107819
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The AR-15 assault rifle was engineered to create what one of its designers called “maximum wound effect.” Its tiny bullets – needle-nosed and weighing less than four grams – travel nearly three times the speed of sound. As the bullet strikes the body, the payload of kinetic energy rips open a cavity inside the flesh – essentially inert space – which collapses back on itself, destroying inelastic tissue, including nerves, blood vessels and vital organs. “It’s a perfect killing machine,” says Dr. Peter Rhee, a leading trauma surgeon and retired captain with 24 years of active-duty service in the Navy.

Rhee is most famous at home for saving the life of Arizona Rep. Gabby Giffords after she was shot point-blank in the head with a handgun fired by a mass shooter in 2011. “A handgun [wound] is simply a stabbing with a bullet,” says Rhee. “It goes in like a nail.” With the high-velocity rounds of the AR-15, he adds, “its as if you shot somebody with a Coke can.”

Versions of the AR-15 have been the U.S. military’s standard-issue assault rifle in every war since Vietnam. But only in the past dozen years have semi-automatic models become a fixture of American life. Gun-makers – emboldened by Congress and cloaked in the Second Amendment – have elevated the AR-15 into an avatar of civilian manhood, independence and patriotism. In the process, this off-patent combat rifle has become an infinitely customizable weapon platform that now accounts for nearly one in five guns sold in America. The federal government has deemed them “semi-automatic assault rifles” with magazine capacities that serve “no sporting purpose.” But the National Rifle Association now simply calls the AR-15 “America’s Rifle.”

The mass-market boom of the AR has been horrific for the rest of us. Adam Lanza stormed Sandy Hook Elementary with a Bushmaster AR-15, laying down more than 150 rounds in less than five minutes and slaughtering 20 first-graders. James Holmes wielded a Smith & Wesson “Military & Police” (M&P) AR-15 fitted with a 100-round drum magazine in his siege of a movie theater that killed 12 and wounded 58. The San Bernardino, California, shooters carried a pair of AR-15s in their ISIS-inspired rampage that left 14 dead. Orlando shooter Omar Mateen deployed Sig Sauer’s concealable “next-generation AR” to murder 49 and injure dozens more at the Pulse nightclub – the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.


“Time and time again we see it used to do what it was designed to do, which is to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time,” says Mark Barden, managing director of the Sandy Hook Promise, a group dedicated to protecting children from gun violence. Barden’s son Daniel – precocious, kindhearted, an ace at foosball – was one of the students murdered in Newtown, Connecticut. “It’s designed for combat,” he says. “It doesn’t have any practical application in civilized society.”


Gun-makers call the civilian AR-15 a “modern sporting rifle,” and insist that the restriction on automatic fire somehow neuters the weapon. The industry’s trade group, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), maintains that “AR-15-style rifles are NOT ‘assault weapons,'” adding that the guns “look like military rifles?.?.?.?but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms.” This line of argument is hard to square with the Army’s own Field Manual, which instructs soldiers that semi-automatic fire is the “most important firing technique during fast-moving, modern combat,” adding, “It is surprising how devastatingly accurate rapid semi-automatic fire can be.”

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The assault rifle was born in World War II. The Nazi “Sturm-gewehr,” or “storm rifle,” introduced in 1944, was designed to marry the light weight and rapid fire of a submachine gun to the power and accuracy of a rifle. It came equipped with a 30-round detachable magazine, and proved a deadly asset to Nazis mowing down waves of Russian conscripts on the Eastern Front. The Soviets debuted their own combat rifle in 1947: the rugged, nearly indestructible Avtomat Kalashnikova, or AK-47 – faced by American GIs in virtually every military conflict since.

The “assault rifle” (a de-Hitlerized translation) evolved as warfare leaped out of the trenches into more open, guerrilla-style clashes. The United States was late to enter the light-arms race, but would eventually answer with the AR-15. The “AR” doesn’t stand for “assault rifle”; it stands for Armalite Rifle – named for the small California company that designed the weapon. A subsidiary of an airplane manufacturer, Armalite fashioned lightweight guns from aircraft-grade aluminum and modern plastics, aiming to bring the bulky wood-and-steel rifles lugged by soldiers in World War II and Korea into the jet age.

In 1957, the Army approached Armalite’s star gun designer, Eugene Stoner, with a tall order: Produce a six-pound, high-velocity rifle, firing in semi- and full-automatic modes, with firepower capable “of penetrating a steel helmet or standard body armor at 500 yards.” Stoner was a brilliant Marine Corps vet with no more than a high school degree from Long Beach Poly. He wore owlish glasses and had a taste for bow ties, giving him an unassuming look, the Orville Redenbacher of machine-gun design. His answer to the Army’s request was the AR-15, an exceptionally balanced gun with little recoil – meaning soldiers could more easily keep the rifle level, and on target, in a firefight.

By the Army’s own metrics, Stoner had built a superior war-fighting machine. A 1959 Pentagon report found that Stoner’s gun was “much more effective” both in “volume of fire and number of targets hit” than its competition, the M14 rifle, concluding that a “5- to 7-man squad armed with the AR-15 would be as effective as a 10-man squad armed with the M14.” The chief of the Air Force, Curtis LeMay, famous for directing the firebombing of Tokyo and inspiring the cigar-chomping General Ripper character in Dr. Strangelove, had fallen hard for the gun while shooting watermelons with an AR-15 at a Fourth of July celebration. After atomizing two of the party’s three melons, legend has it, LeMay placed the third in his sights before reconsidering: “Let’s eat the son of a bitch.”

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But it was the killing power of the AR-15 that turned the heads of Pentagon bureaucrats and congressional appropriators alike. The battlefield testimonials included in the ARPA report are horrific: One describes an Army Ranger killing a Viet Cong soldier at about 15 meters with a three-round burst. “One round in the head – took it completely off,” it reads. “Another in the right arm, took it completely off, too. One round hit him in the right side, causing a hole about five inches in diameter.” Each shot was a killer: “Any one of the three would have caused death.”



an article describing the killing design of the gun

This is an old 2018 article, there have been hundreds of mass shootings since

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