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Saturday, April 20, 2019 2:57 PM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Rue, it does not sound fishy. You sound stupid and overly articulate. The full paragraphs from the Mueller Report (page 214 of 448):

Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person’s conduct “constitutes a federal offense.” U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor’s judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.5

The concerns about the fairness of such a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor’s accusation of a crime, even in an internal report, could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice. OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President’s term, OLC reasoned, “it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment’s] secrecy,” and if an indictment became public, “[t]he stigma and opprobrium” could imperil the President’s ability to govern.”6 Although a prosecutor’s internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report’s public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining “that the person’s conduct constitutes a federal offense.” Justice Manual § 9-27.220.

You can make of these paragraphs what you will, but it plainly means Mueller, from the very start, before even beginning to work, will not indict Trump, even secretly for prosecution after Trump is out of office, no matter what is discovered.

So I went back to check the actual report, a copy of which I have easily accessible on my computer, because, SECOND, you have a nasty reputation of very BIASED AND DISHONEST representation of so called 'facts'.

Of particular interest to me were the paragraphs you DIDN'T post. And then I realized that OLC (Office of Legal Council) was an extremely useful search term and checked out that information to get a more complete picture.

Re the the two paragraphs you DIDN'T post. Those paragraphs refer SPECIFICALLY to obstruction of justice, not to any potential collusion* (*shorthand for the entire phrase). And they apply ONLY to the President, not to anyone else. The fact that NOBODY WAS INDICTED FOR OBSTRUCTION, despite being legally liable for it, is very telling.

But I won't comment on the general OLC information because, frankly, it's too long, too complicated, and too contrary to your POV for you to read, understand, or even think honestly about, let alone discuss rationally.

Bur for anyone who doesn't want a biased 'source' to feed them their 'thoughts', the report is easily downloadable as a pdf, and searchable.

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 3:50 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

You being a complete idiot triggers me. The report clearly stated communications were deleted.
How many? Between who and whom?

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What person that is INNOCENT deletes communications?
The same kind of person that deletes 33,000 subpoenaed emails?




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Saturday, April 20, 2019 4:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

What person that is INNOCENT deletes communications?




Cough... Cough... 33,000 emails... Cough...

Quote:

What innocent person orders others to do illegal things??


Cough... Smash your cellphones with a hammer... Cough... Cough...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 4:29 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

That is very odd behavior and is extremely telling.

Do you want to know what is odd and extremely telling? It is Trump saying, "I have no recollection." That was Trump's answer to every question asked of him by Mueller. That's the kind of answer you get from a crook that knows he cannot be waterboarded to get a real answer. Trump starts with "I have no recollection" on page 429 and ends with "I have no recollection" on page 438. Then Trump switched to "I do not remember" on page 439, for a little variety in not answering simple questions.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Burden of proof rests upon the state to make its case. It's not for defendants to clear their name.

No case was made.

It is your OPINION that ' crooks give that sort of response '

That's how justice works in a free country. Be very glad for it.


Wonder why we've never seen Hillary's transcript when SHE talked to the FBI ?

I'm betting you're not curious in the least as to what was said and how she answered.

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:46 PM

SIGNYM

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I'm betting you're not curious in the least as to what was said and how she answered.


Oh, I know how she answered ...

"Like, with a cloth?"

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:00 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



Cough... Cough... 33,000 emails... Cough...



Cough... Smash your cellphones with a hammer... Cough... Cough...




I know a shitstained brain like yours cannot grasp simple facts, or read and retain ANYTHING, but you should try just this once.


I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN, A HILLARY SUPPORTER.

Your argument means NOTHING to me. She is NOT PRESIDENT. Neither ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE.

The amount of stupid around here....

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:02 PM

RUE

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Toots

These are questions YOU asked - remember?
Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
What person that is INNOCENT deletes communications? What innocent person orders others to do illegal things??

And those are the questions that got answered. I'm sorry the answers made you look so one-sided you might as well be blind, but hey ... maybe you're not the arbiter of truth and justice you think you are.

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
So I went back to check the actual report, a copy of which I have easily accessible on my computer, because, SECOND, you have a nasty reputation of very BIASED AND DISHONEST representation of so called 'facts'.

Of particular interest to me were the paragraphs you DIDN'T post. And then I realized that OLC (Office of Legal Council) was an extremely useful search term and checked out that information to get a more complete picture.

Re the the two paragraphs you DIDN'T post. Those paragraphs refer SPECIFICALLY to obstruction of justice, not to any potential collusion* (*shorthand for the entire phrase). And they apply ONLY to the President, not to anyone else. The fact that NOBODY WAS INDICTED FOR OBSTRUCTION, despite being legally liable for it, is very telling.

But I won't comment on the general OLC information because, frankly, it's too long, too complicated, and too contrary to your POV for you to read, understand, or even think honestly about, let alone discuss rationally.

Bur for anyone who doesn't want a biased 'source' to feed them their 'thoughts', the report is easily downloadable as a pdf, and searchable.

rue, your confusion may stem from White House counsel Don McGahn, Corey Lewandowski and Rick Dearborn all NOT committing obstruction. Each told Trump to fuck off -- they were not going to do what Trump ordered. That is why they were not charged with obstruction of justice. rue, you are such a nitwit.

The following statement on Page 158 of Volume II. Here, Mueller wrote: “The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.” This disobedient group included high-level officials—FBI Director James Comey and White House counsel Don McGahn—as well as seeming longtime loyalists Corey Lewandowski and Rick Dearborn. In each case Mueller cited, the president ordered these surrogates—either directly or via another surrogate—to take some extraordinary action to obstruct the Russia probe, and in each case Trump was rebuffed.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/don-mcgahn-trump-orders-mu
eller-crimes.html


When you think about it, the next two years will be a rough time for Trump getting things done, other than running for reelection. He will give orders and the orders will be ignored because his government employees know Trump is either an idiot or a crook, if they read the Mueller Report. They don't want to go to jail while Trump gets off “scot-free”. Trump thinks the word is Scott Free. What a dumbass: www.huffpost.com/entry/scot-free-scott-free-donald-trump_n_5c05a550e4b
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Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:30 PM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify

Pretty much sums it up?

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:54 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify

Pretty much sums it up?



Aren't you the one that always bitches and moans about how it's a forum crime to change someone's quotes?
^Pretty much sums you up.

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify

Pretty much sums it up?

Per your usual, you changed my quote, rue/1kiki. Pretty typical of a Russian troll who knows nothing, but I know something:

‘The report did not exonerate the president’

I found the most surprising part of the report to be twofold: One, that special counsel Mueller went out of his way multiple times to dispel the notion that there is any concept called “collusion,” and that what he investigated was instead coordination and conspiracy; and two, that the report did not exonerate the president even with respect to conspiracy and coordination.

Although the report stated that there was “no evidence” of conspiracy or coordination, it left open the possibility that there may be evidence out there that the president’s associates suppressed. Some individuals invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Some information was screened even from the special counsel and his team. Several people affiliated with the Trump campaign (including Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort) lied or provided incomplete information to the special counsel about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals. Still others deleted communications or used encryption that did not provide for the long-term retention of data. And with respect to redactions within the report, the ones concerning the Trump campaign’s interest in WikiLeaks’ releases of hacked material are particularly concerning.

The special counsel declined to make a recommendation on obstruction mostly because the Office of Legal Counsel has concluded, most recently in 2000, that a sitting president is immune from indictment. The report made clear that it is up to Congress to decide whether to use impeachment as a remedy. So what will matter most for the remainder of the Trump presidency is whether the House of Representatives will file articles of impeachment based on the substantial allegations that the president may have obstructed justice.

Marisa Maleck is a senior associate with King & Spalding, and a former clerk to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/19/mueller-report-analysis-leg
al-experts-226662


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:32 PM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Pretty much sums it up?

Quote:

Originally posted by GEEBERS:
Aren't you the one that always bitches and moans about how it's a forum crime to change someone's quotes?
^Pretty much sums you up.

NOPE NOT ME. So doesn't sum ME up.

Now I gotta ask - lying AGAIN, GEEBERS?

And you WILL note the fify at the end - which makes it clear I'm not trying to attribute those words to SECOND. Unlike - say - you - who routinely changes other people's posts without notification. So that makes you a hypocrite as well as a liar. Same old GEEBERS. You never get a conscience or even minor emb-bare-ass-ment about being outed as a shitstain - AGAIN.

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:35 PM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify

Pretty much sums it up?

Per your usual, you changed my quote, rue/1kiki. Pretty typical of a Russian troll who knows nothing, but I know something:

‘The report did not exonerate the president’

I found the most surprising part of the report to be twofold: One, that special counsel Mueller went out of his way multiple times to dispel the notion that there is any concept called “collusion,” and that what he investigated was instead coordination and conspiracy; and two, that the report did not exonerate the president even with respect to conspiracy and coordination.

Although the report stated that there was “no evidence” of conspiracy or coordination, it left open the possibility that there may be evidence out there that the president’s associates suppressed. Some individuals invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Some information was screened even from the special counsel and his team. Several people affiliated with the Trump campaign (including Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort) lied or provided incomplete information to the special counsel about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals. Still others deleted communications or used encryption that did not provide for the long-term retention of data. And with respect to redactions within the report, the ones concerning the Trump campaign’s interest in WikiLeaks’ releases of hacked material are particularly concerning.

The special counsel declined to make a recommendation on obstruction mostly because the Office of Legal Counsel has concluded, most recently in 2000, that a sitting president is immune from indictment. The report made clear that it is up to Congress to decide whether to use impeachment as a remedy. So what will matter most for the remainder of the Trump presidency is whether the House of Representatives will file articles of impeachment based on the substantial allegations that the president may have obstructed justice.

Marisa Maleck is a senior associate with King & Spalding, and a former clerk to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/19/mueller-report-analysis-leg
al-experts-226662


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:36 PM

RUE

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I like the 'Russian troll' meme SECOND. KEEP 'EM COMING!

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:22 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Pretty much sums it up?

Quote:

Originally posted by GEEBERS:
Aren't you the one that always bitches and moans about how it's a forum crime to change someone's quotes?
^Pretty much sums you up.

NOPE NOT ME. So doesn't sum ME up.

Now I gotta ask - lying AGAIN, GEEBERS?

And you WILL note the fify at the end - which makes it clear I'm not trying to attribute those words to SECOND. Unlike - say - you - who routinely changes other people's posts without notification. So that makes you a hypocrite as well as a liar. Same old GEEBERS. You never get a conscience or even minor emb-bare-ass-ment about being outed as a shitstain - AGAIN.



Another thing that happens when you change the content of people's posts and then pretend you are quoting them, is you prove that none of your goofy "preservation" attempts can be trusted. You've shown you can, and will, just change the content of what you have "quoted" to whatever you want. I hope you weren't planning to use those in court...?

Another question:
Why do we have so many whack-jobs posting here?

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 7:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Another question:
Why do we have so many whack-jobs posting here?

Because we are the bitter-enders for a show orphaned or abandoned or placed for adoption by its creator Joss that's not coming back. Remember Can't Stop the Signal? Sorry about that, but somebody at Dark Horse Comics pulled the plug on the signal transmitter and sold it for spare parts to Boom Studios: https://getcomics.info/?s=firefly

The Mueller Report Should Shock Our Conscience

That’s not the wailing of some left-wing rag. It’s the headline of the country’s leading conservative journal.

www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-mueller-report-should-shock-our-cons
cience
/

I’ve finished reading the entire Mueller report, and I must confess that even as a longtime, quite open critic of Donald Trump, I was surprised at the sheer scope, scale, and brazenness of the lies, falsehoods, and misdirections detailed by the Special Counsel’s Office. We’ve become accustomed to Trump making up his own facts on matters great and small, but to see the extent to which his virus infected his entire political operation is sobering. And the idea that anyone is treating this report as “win” for Trump, given the sheer extent of deceptions exposed (among other things), demonstrates that the bar for his conduct has sunk so low that anything other than outright criminality is too often brushed aside as relatively meaningless. . . .

These lies have multiple consequences. First and most obviously, they demonstrate that the president’s word simply can’t be trusted. Yes, I know that there are readers who will immediately respond that “we already knew that” or that his dishonesty is already “priced in.” But don’t forget — as recently as last year, 76 percent of Republicans still believed that Trump told the truth “all or most of the time.” I personally know many people who believe that Trump’s ability to “tell it like it is” is one of his chief appeals.

Second, the extent of the lying across the Trump team shows that Trump’s lies can’t be contained to Trump. Even honest people who believe and repeat Trump’s words or the words of key members of his team can find themselves deceiving the public. Those who resist Trump’s efforts to deceive can find themselves overruled and publicly shamed. It was to Donald Jr.’s credit that his instinct — after news of the Trump Tower meeting started to leak — was to be transparent. It is Trump’s shame that he forced his own son to put out a misleading statement instead.

Third, the lies help demonstrate why the underlying investigation was so very necessary. When our intelligence agencies are aware of Russian efforts to interfere in the election and tilt it toward Trump, they know Trump officials are in contact with Russians, and they know that Trump officials are lying about those contacts, then it makes cries of “witch hunt” sound hollow indeed . . .

I’m old enough to remember the closing days of the 1996 campaign, when the Clinton administration was already beset by an avalanche of scandals. Bob Dole looked into the cameras and asked a pointed question — “Where is the outrage?” The same question applies today, but to a different audience. The lies are simply too much to bear. No Republican should tolerate such dishonesty.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 8:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



Cough... Cough... 33,000 emails... Cough...



Cough... Smash your cellphones with a hammer... Cough... Cough...




I know a shitstained brain like yours cannot grasp simple facts, or read and retain ANYTHING, but you should try just this once.


I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN, A HILLARY SUPPORTER.

Your argument means NOTHING to me. She is NOT PRESIDENT. Neither ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE.

The amount of stupid around here....



You're probably right that neither one of them should be.

Unfortunately for you, the alternative isn't something that sits well with you. I'm alright with it... for now, considering what the alternative was.

What are you going to do about it? It seems as though we had no choices.

And Trump is going to be re-elected unless the Democrats can find a resounding message and somebody worth voting for.

Screaming for Trump's head the next 6 years isn't going to work. And it's not going to do your lovely disposition any favors either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're probably right that neither one of them should be.

Unfortunately for you, the alternative isn't something that sits well with you. I'm alright with it... for now, considering what the alternative was.

What are you going to do about it? It seems as though we had no choices.

And Trump is going to be re-elected unless the Democrats can find a resounding message and somebody worth voting for.

Screaming for Trump's head the next 6 years isn't going to work. And it's not going to do your lovely disposition any favors either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Once the choice was between Lincoln and Douglas. Do you remember how that ended? Being reasonable with people will not get the country back together again, as Lincoln, with all his skills at persuasion, sorrowfully learned. First Inaugural Address of Abraham Lincoln http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln1.asp

6ix, you might want to take note that Lincoln's political opponents saw him as the most immoral, treacherous liar that ever held the office. They couldn't prove it, but they didn't care. They said it anyway. In the case of Trump, he proved it. See the redacted Mueller report.

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 12:58 PM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Pretty much sums it up?

Quote:

Originally posted by GEEBERS:
Aren't you the one that always bitches and moans about how it's a forum crime to change someone's quotes?
^Pretty much sums you up.

NOPE NOT ME. So doesn't sum ME up.

Now I gotta ask - lying AGAIN, GEEBERS?

And you WILL note the fify at the end - which makes it clear I'm not trying to attribute those words to SECOND. Unlike - say - you - who routinely changes other people's posts without notification. So that makes you a hypocrite as well as a liar. Same old GEEBERS. You never get a conscience or even minor emb-bare-ass-ment about being outed as a shitstain - AGAIN.



Another thing that happens when you change the content of people's posts and then pretend you are quoting them, is you prove that none of your goofy "preservation" attempts can be trusted. You've shown you can, and will, just change the content of what you have "quoted" to whatever you want. I hope you weren't planning to use those in court...?

Another question:
Why do we have so many whack-jobs posting here?

But I didn't 'pretend' I was quoting them - DOOD - I specifically notified I had changed the content. In fact, the whole system depends on people's honor, not something YOU'D know anything about. It depends on people not going back and post-editing. It depends on people not changing quotes WITHOUT NOTIFICATION. There's zero tracking of edits anywhere. So what? As Jack noted, there's an independent scan of this site from 2018, well recent enough to be within the allowable time frame. All I'm doing is showing it's ongoing.

So, we've gotten another lie - that I 'pretend' to quote people - from GEEBERS, the human-form shitstain.

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:14 PM

SIGNYM

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GSTRING is stupider than THUGR. This was explained to THUGR and he seemed to get it; GSTRING not so much.

GSTRING, there is a tradition here called "fixed it for you" where you quote someone's post but make a few changes in it to demonstrate the logical contradiction/ hypocrisy in someone's post. It started with MIKE (I don't recall his screen name, do you RUE? He lived in Texas and his dad- an ex-military man - used to beat him on the soles of his feet where the bruises wouldn't show) who started that. He would follow it with "Fixed it for you". My god, what a smart man.

ETA (for those of you who don't know that means "edited to add") Oh yes, his screen name was KWICKO.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 3:20 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


A Technical and Cultural Assessment of the Mueller Report PDF

www.pdfa.org/a-technical-and-cultural-assessment-of-the-mueller-report
-pdf
/

"Native PDF redaction has been available now for more than 20 years, yet this document is just images of redacted pages. As such, there is no searchable text, the document will not reflow on different devices and most importantly this document is not Section 508 compliant. The document cannot be read by a screen reader for people with visual disabilities and it cannot be analyzed using any text analysis tools. The Mueller Report as a redacted PDF document is really kind of sad."

Technical assessment: conclusion

It's interesting - and deeply unfortunate - that Department of Justice clearly used advanced redaction software but nonetheless chose to deliver a paper-age "images only" PDF. In so doing they:

1) Dramatically increased the file's size, probably by 8-10x.

2) Permanently and substantially reduced the visual text and image quality of a document of historical interest

3) Permanently reduced text searchability (assuming they received a searchable PDF from Mueller)

4) Delivered a documents that's inherently inaccessible to users who require assistive technology (AT) in order to read, requiring substantial remediation efforts to recover any useful degree of accessibility, let alone full compliance with applicable regulations.

A solution (of sorts)
www.pdfa.org/even-with-ocr-the-mueller-report-pdf-isnt-fully-searchabl
e
/

Given what was released, there's only one way to search the PDF with any assurance; a complete reconstruction of each page. This is exactly what the New York Times has done here: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-docu
ment.html


The method the Times used to present a genuinely fully-searchable version of the Mueller report is elaborate, and required the services of 22 people (they are credited at the bottom of the page); even so, they were not able to fully mimic the original pages. The result is functional but extremely expensive, both in staff time and computing resources.

This unfortunate reality could have been avoided if DoJ's workflow was simply redact-release instead of redact-print-scan-release (or even worse: print-scan-OCR-redact-print-scan-release). They chose a method that did not improve the security of redacted content but did materially and negatively burden everyone who would try to read, consume or otherwise process this document, forever.

We know that DoJ knows better, as we've previously observed that they use professional redaction software. In our view it's simply unacceptable that they should choose an unnecessary belt-and-braces approach for this historically-significant document that impedes every downstream user.


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Sunday, April 21, 2019 3:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're probably right that neither one of them should be.

Unfortunately for you, the alternative isn't something that sits well with you. I'm alright with it... for now, considering what the alternative was.

What are you going to do about it? It seems as though we had no choices.

And Trump is going to be re-elected unless the Democrats can find a resounding message and somebody worth voting for.

Screaming for Trump's head the next 6 years isn't going to work. And it's not going to do your lovely disposition any favors either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Once the choice was between Lincoln and Douglas. Do you remember how that ended? Being reasonable with people will not get the country back together again, as Lincoln, with all his skills at persuasion, sorrowfully learned. First Inaugural Address of Abraham Lincoln http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln1.asp

6ix, you might want to take note that Lincoln's political opponents saw him as the most immoral, treacherous liar that ever held the office. They couldn't prove it, but they didn't care. They said it anyway. In the case of Trump, he proved it. See the redacted Mueller report.

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My point was, the only other choice we had was Clinton. Her actions, such as scrubbing the server she should have had in her home clean, and having everybody involved with her smashing up her cell phones are well known and were never disputed.

So when we're talking about any similar activities that Trump may or may not have done now, we already knew that our only other choice had done all of that before the election even took place.


The clock is ticking, but it's not the tick tock to impeachment. You know that full well.

There isn't a lot of time left before the next election goes full swing, and the Democrats don't have any clear message for the people or a legitimate candidate that would have a chance against Trump. Even lefty sources have come out recently and said that all things considered and assuming nothing changes, Trump would have an advantage.


The only chance of getting Trump out of office is the election in 2020, or waiting until he serves his second term, or waiting until his health fails him. (Without going into your ultra-dark territory on that... I know that you know what I mean).


I'm just waiting for the Democrats to drop the identity politics bullshit and come up with a way of truly fixing the economy and job situation as a contrast to what we have now. We've been hearing for two years that it's getting better, but the situation has not improved at all for the working class and continues to degrade.



Is any Democrat talking about that though? Nope.

It's still "Nazi" this, and muh Feminism that, and RUSSIA!!!! fearmongering and demands for tax returns that you're never going to see.


The Democratic party in 2019 is abhorrent.

Fix that, and Trump might be out.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Is any Democrat talking about that though? Nope.

It's still "Nazi" this, and muh Feminism that, and RUSSIA!!!! fearmongering and demands for tax returns that you're never going to see.


The Democratic party in 2019 is abhorrent.

Fix that, and Trump might be out.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you have a very ineffectual way of looking at things. I have bought expensive machines that were no damn good and I got rid of them after they failed to perform. I didn't tell myself that the competing machinery seemed to me to have been worse. I get rid of what is bad and seek something else. Same with employees. When they fail, I fire their dumb asses in the meanest possible way. I don't tell myself that the other candidates for the job didn't seem to be as good and therefore I'm keeping Mr Failure as an employee. I go and seek a new employee. If you want to convince yourself that Trump isn't Mr Failure, then go right ahead. If you seek a replacement President that you want to absolutely be sure is better than Trump, there is no way to be sure. But you can be sure that any Democrat will be very different from Trump or Mike Pence or Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney. You should not pay any attention to anybody's promises. No President can deliver on their optimistic campaign promises. They can only deliver on their littlest promises, the ones that don't require Congressional approval. (Example of little promises: I promise to make my tax returns public. I promise to place my business in a blind trust. www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2019/03/18/president-donald-tr
umps-promises-didnt-end-business-entanglements/3030377002
/ )

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 8:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Is any Democrat talking about that though? Nope.

It's still "Nazi" this, and muh Feminism that, and RUSSIA!!!! fearmongering and demands for tax returns that you're never going to see.


The Democratic party in 2019 is abhorrent.

Fix that, and Trump might be out.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you have a very ineffectual way of looking at things. I have bought expensive machines that were no damn good and I got rid of them after they failed to perform. I didn't tell myself that the competing machinery seemed to me to have been worse. I get rid of what is bad and seek something else. Same with employees. When they fail, I fire their dumb asses in the meanest possible way. I don't tell myself that the other candidates for the job didn't seem to be as good and therefore I'm keeping Mr Failure as an employee. I go and seek a new employee. If you want to convince yourself that Trump isn't Mr Failure, then go right ahead. If you seek a replacement President that you want to absolutely be sure is better than Trump, there is no way to be sure. But you can be sure that any Democrat will be very different from Trump or Mike Pence or Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney. You should not pay any attention to anybody's promises. No President can deliver on their optimistic campaign promises. They can only deliver on their littlest promises, the ones that don't require Congressional approval. (Example of little promises: I promise to make my tax returns public. I promise to place my business in a blind trust. www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2019/03/18/president-donald-tr
umps-promises-didnt-end-business-entanglements/3030377002
/ )

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I'm fine with Trump, dipshit.

Give me a reason to vote against him in 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 22, 2019 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:


Another question:
Why do we have so many whack-jobs posting here?



I wonder that sometimes too, but now I think it's just a sampling of the actual American gen pop these days though. Everbody crazy.

The more things aren't getting anywhere, the crazier it's all getting. You can only run into the same block wall soooo many times...

Unless you are South American... They don't seem to have a problem with that

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Monday, April 22, 2019 12:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
"Native PDF redaction has been available now for more than 20 years, yet this document is just images of redacted pages. As such, there is no searchable text, the document will not reflow on different devices ..."

Strange. I got a completely searchable pdf off of a government website that is viewable by alternate software. Where did I get it? Don't remember and not my problem. But a short search should get you there. It was only 1 link down from the original webpage I looked at, either Signy's or yours. Either that or my software is better.

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Monday, April 22, 2019 5:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:


Another question:
Why do we have so many whack-jobs posting here?



I wonder that sometimes too, but now I think it's just a sampling of the actual American gen pop these days though. Everbody crazy.

The more things aren't getting anywhere, the crazier it's all getting. You can only run into the same block wall soooo many times...

Unless you are South American... They don't seem to have a problem with that



They're too busy in South America dealing with dictators, failed socialism, poverty, drug cartels, corrupt police forces and inflation to get on FFF.net and have an argument with you.

Oh... and trying to cross through Mexico to get through the US border illegally.





lol... I think I just got it. That was a poorly executed joke, wasn't it?

Yeah. It's pretty funny that hundreds of thousands of invaders have infiltrated the border at twice the rate they did last year because there is no wall and the government won't do anything about it.

Hilarious.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 22, 2019 8:58 AM

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... stay crunchy...


Quote:

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God, but I do love being a loathsome hag! fify



Like that?

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Monday, April 22, 2019 9:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
God, how I love being tedious and boring! fify



fify power! It really cuts through it all.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
. . . No President can deliver on their optimistic campaign promises. They can only deliver on their littlest promises, the ones that don't require Congressional approval. (Example of little promises: I promise to make my tax returns public. I promise to place my business in a blind trust. www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2019/03/18/president-donald-tr
umps-promises-didnt-end-business-entanglements/3030377002
/ )



I'm fine with Trump, dipshit.

Give me a reason to vote against him in 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I gave you two reasons.

1) Trump is cheating on his taxes.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html

www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/

2) Trump bends his Presidential decisions to benefit his business.
www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2019/03/18/president-donald-tr
umps-promises-didnt-end-business-entanglements/3030377002
/

Trump could prove that he is paying his taxes and prove he is not taking bribes if he would keep his promises to make his tax returns public and make his business a blind trust. Trump does not need permission from Congress to keep those two promises. I've noticed that born-again Republicans in Texas do not want Trump to keep those promises.

6ix, if it doesn't matter to you that Trump probably is not paying his taxes and it doesn't matter that Trump is probably taking bribes through his businesses, that says that you are a born-again Republican. Vote for Trump! MAGA!

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
"Native PDF redaction has been available now for more than 20 years, yet this document is just images of redacted pages. As such, there is no searchable text, the document will not reflow on different devices ..."

Strange. I got a completely searchable pdf off of a government website that is viewable by alternate software. Where did I get it? Don't remember and not my problem. But a short search should get you there. It was only 1 link down from the original webpage I looked at, either Signy's or yours. Either that or my software is better.

rue, per your usual, you completely missed the point that Barr did a crappy job of converting the Mueller Report to a pdf. It is Barr's responsibility. He failed. Maybe his failure was deliberate. The PDF Association explained how it is suppose to be done. The NYTimes demonstrated how easy it is to do. If they could do it, Barr could do it even easier. But he didn't. It's like Barr intentionally made it as difficult as possible for the public to read his redaction. Barr was sabotaging the report without making it obvious what Barr was doing.

www.pdfa.org/even-with-ocr-the-mueller-report-pdf-isnt-fully-searchabl
e
/

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-docu
ment.html


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Monday, April 22, 2019 11:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
. . . No President can deliver on their optimistic campaign promises. They can only deliver on their littlest promises, the ones that don't require Congressional approval. (Example of little promises: I promise to make my tax returns public. I promise to place my business in a blind trust. www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2019/03/18/president-donald-tr
umps-promises-didnt-end-business-entanglements/3030377002
/ )



I'm fine with Trump, dipshit.

Give me a reason to vote against him in 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I gave you two reasons.

1) Trump is cheating on his taxes.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html

www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/

2) Trump bends his Presidential decisions to benefit his business.
www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2019/03/18/president-donald-tr
umps-promises-didnt-end-business-entanglements/3030377002
/

Trump could prove that he is paying his taxes and prove he is not taking bribes if he would keep his promises to make his tax returns public and make his business a blind trust. Trump does not need permission from Congress to keep those two promises. I've noticed that born-again Republicans in Texas do not want Trump to keep those promises.

6ix, if it doesn't matter to you that Trump probably is not paying his taxes and it doesn't matter that Trump is probably taking bribes through his businesses, that says that you are a born-again Republican. Vote for Trump! MAGA!

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Stop taking parts of my posts and quoting them out of context, idiot.

You know exactly what I meant, yet you proved my point and did the exact opposite. Which is what the Democratic party has been doing for the last 2 1/2 years. Which isn't going to work.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Stop taking parts of my posts and quoting them out of context, idiot.

You know exactly what I meant, yet you proved my point and did the exact opposite. Which is what the Democratic party has been doing for the last 2 1/2 years. Which isn't going to work.

I know that you are going to vote for that cheating crooked businessman because you want to. I doubt that your lack of understanding of business will eventually work to your advantage.

Today: Trump sues to block Democrats’ subpoena for financial information
www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sues-to-block-democrats-subpoena-for-fi
nancial-information


In seeking the records, Cummings has cited the February testimony from former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, who claimed the president inflated or deflated the value of his assets when it would benefit him.

Democrats sent a letter to Mazars in March requesting information about how Trump’s financial statements were prepared, but the firm said it could not voluntarily turn over documents unless subpoenaed.

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Monday, April 22, 2019 11:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Stop taking parts of my posts and quoting them out of context, idiot.

You know exactly what I meant, yet you proved my point and did the exact opposite. Which is what the Democratic party has been doing for the last 2 1/2 years. Which isn't going to work.

I know that you are going to vote for that cheating crooked businessman because you want to. I doubt that your lack of understanding of business will eventually work to your advantage.

Today: Trump sues to block Democrats’ subpoena for financial information
www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sues-to-block-democrats-subpoena-for-fi
nancial-information


In seeking the records, Cummings has cited the February testimony from former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, who claimed the president inflated or deflated the value of his assets when it would benefit him.

Democrats sent a letter to Mazars in March requesting information about how Trump’s financial statements were prepared, but the firm said it could not voluntarily turn over documents unless subpoenaed.

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Deflecting again. Keep it up bud.

Hope you enjoy those tax returns you'll be getting until at least 2026.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Deflecting again. Keep it up bud.

Hope you enjoy those tax returns you'll be getting until at least 2026.

You already made up your mind years ago to be what you are and I will not try convincing you to vote for a Democrat. Please never change because somebody, you, has to be on the bottom: the dumbest one, the poorest one, the weakest one, the shortest lived one. I'm voting for Democrats and you can do whatever, but I know Trump is a crook because I read the Mueller report.
https://dariusforoux.com/learning-from-mistakes/

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Monday, April 22, 2019 12:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Deflecting again. Keep it up bud.

Hope you enjoy those tax returns you'll be getting until at least 2026.

You already made up your mind years ago to be what you are and I will not try convincing you to vote for a Democrat. Please never change because somebody, you, has to be on the bottom: the dumbest one, the poorest one, the weakest one, the shortest lived one. I'm voting for Democrats and you can do whatever, but I know Trump is a crook because I read the Mueller report.
https://dariusforoux.com/learning-from-mistakes/

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LOL

More personal insults because you don't have an argument.

Keep being predictable. It's the only personality trait you have outside of your hatred and murderous nature.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

LOL

More personal insults because you don't have an argument.

Keep being predictable. It's the only personality trait you have outside of your hatred and murderous nature.

6ix, you even sound like silly old Trump:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
3:35 PM - 21 Apr 2019

In the weeks between the Mueller report being finished to the redacted Mueller report’s release, Trump’s message was that the report exonerated him. Now, with the report publicly available, he’s trying to ward off any talk about his impeachment. Trump realized that he looks like a crook. Why can't 6ix see what even unaware Trump sees?

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Monday, April 22, 2019 1:40 PM

RUE

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"rue, per your usual, you completely missed the point that Barr did a crappy job of converting the Mueller Report to a pdf." Somebody IN THE GOVERNMENT did it right. You sure are bitchy. Is it that time of the month?

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"rue, per your usual, you completely missed the point that Barr did a crappy job of converting the Mueller Report to a pdf." Somebody IN THE GOVERNMENT did it right. You sure are bitchy. Is it that time of the month?

The first version of the file that Barr produced was 136 MB (145,509,756 bytes). There is a later version at www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf It is only 143,371,361 bytes

Even Barr should have known from the size of the first version that something was wrong with his file because it is 20 times too large. Then when you look at the fonts, there are only two (the second version has more):
Helvetica, ZapfDingbats. No lawyer uses those. Then try to select the text on the first version. It can't be done because it is a photo of text, rather than text.


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In one of the most damning portions of Mueller’s report, someone whose name is redacted sent a message to Russian oligarch Kirill Dmitriev right after Clinton conceded the election which simply said, “Putin has won.”

Vol. 1, Page 149
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-docu
ment.html


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As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfere in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents.

The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.

Vol. 1, Page 1
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-docu
ment.html


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Donald F. McGahn II arrived in a windowless conference room in southwest Washington in November 2017 to meet for the first time with the special counsel’s investigators. He was the White House counsel at the time and he was reluctant to answer their questions for fear that President Trump would one day blame him for any damaging revelations.

A year and a half later, the scapegoating has begun. Mr. Trump and his surrogates began attacking Mr. McGahn shortly after the report by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, revealed he was the chief witness to the president’s attempts to undermine the inquiry. In an interview on Monday, a member of Mr. Trump’s legal team challenged Mr. McGahn’s motives and memory and accused investigators of ignoring inconsistencies in his assertions.

Mr. Giuliani acknowledged that he was amping up attacks on Mr. McGahn in an attempt to undermine the Mueller report as Democrats called for their congressional leaders to use it as a basis for impeachment proceedings. The Democratic-led House Judiciary Committee subpoenaed Mr. McGahn on Monday to testify next month and hand over documents.

Mr. Giuliani’s attacks on Mr. McGahn have unnerved some senior White House officials, who have argued privately that the president and his legal team should stop drawing attention to damaging episodes in the report, according to two people close to the White House. But Mr. Trump has privately complained about the accounts, particularly the ones given by Mr. McGahn, and has said the only way to protect himself from impeachment is to attack Mr. Mueller and Mr. McGahn, the people said.

Mr. Trump belied a lack of understanding about his agreement to waive executive privilege when he confronted Mr. McGahn in the Oval Office meeting early last year.

“What Mr. Giuliani seems to forget is that it was the president who decided Don [McGahn] should fully cooperate — despite available privileges — and who made it public,” Mr. Burck said.

www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/politics/mcgahn-trump-attacks.html

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Monday, April 22, 2019 9:16 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"There is a later version at www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf";

So justice.gov did it right. What are you bitching about?

BTW, that's the version I found immediately after the report came out. It was a one-step search (before everyone and their uncle started putting out their own versions and cluttering up the search-result space). Why you and your 'sources' had so much difficulty finding it is beyond me ... except perhaps because you're all inept.

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Monday, April 22, 2019 9:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:

Why you and your 'sources' had so much difficulty finding it is beyond me ... except perhaps because you're all inept.

So all the “fake news” was true. A hostile foreign power intervened in the presidential election, hoping to install Trump in the White House. His campaign was aware of this intervention and welcomed it. And once in power, Trump tried to block any inquiry into what happened.

The GOP’s willingness to back behavior it would have called treasonous if a Democrat did it is just more of the same.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 22, 2019 10:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
"There is a later version at www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf";

So justice.gov did it right. What are you bitching about?

The official PDF of the Mueller report has been updated in a subtle but important way
https://qz.com/1601873/

The US Justice department quietly uploaded a new version of the Mueller report to its website today.

You wouldn’t notice any difference just by looking at the report, which can be downloaded here. What’s new is a layer of data that makes it possible, finally, to access the underlying text of the document.

When the Mueller report came out on April 18, it was essentially a giant file of images. (At 140 MB, the file was more than 300 times larger than an ebook of Crime and Punishment.)

The Justice department’s image-only PDF also seemed to violate the US government’s own guidelines for making documents accessible to all readers.

The website for Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation acknowledged this shortcoming—“The Department recognizes that these documents may not yet be in an accessible format”—and offered to send a text file of the report to people who would have trouble reading it. It’s not clear if anyone requested such a file or received one. In any event, that offer was removed from the special counsel’s website today when the new version of the PDF was uploaded.

“They really did try to do a good job here to try to make it accessible,” he said in a phone interview. “Unfortunately, there are still a lot of errors in the tags.”

The software the Justice department used to OCR the report, Adobe Acrobat, generated some jumbled or incomplete text in the new PDF, especially around large redactions and photos. And many invisible markers intended to make the document more accessible were applied incorrectly.

The file is also still a 140MB set of images, albeit now with text underlying it. A never-scanned, native-text PDF of the report would likely be less than 5MB.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 23, 2019 12:51 AM

RUE

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After years of spouting that Mueller was going to end Trump ... when the rubber finally met the road ... first you criticized Barr's summary. Then you criticized the timeline. Then you criticized the presser. After that you criticized the redactions. Now you're whining ENDLESSLY about the formatting.

It's like the Mueller investigation itself. You've hit the bottom of the barrel of 'things' to find wrong.

Mueller at least had the sense to know when it was over.

So just shut up already.


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Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
After years of spouting that Mueller was going to end Trump ... when the rubber finally met the road ... first you criticized Barr's summary. Then you criticized the timeline. Then you criticized the presser. After that you criticized the redactions. Now you're whining ENDLESSLY about the formatting.

It's like the Mueller investigation itself. You've hit the bottom of the barrel of 'things' to find wrong.

Mueller at least had the sense to know when it was over.

So just shut up already.


I saved the best for last. It happens that Mueller clearly thinks Trump can be charged once he’s out of office. Then Trump is burned at the stake by a prosecutor other than Mueller. I hope to smell Trump's fat on fire.

The special counsel makes his view plain in a single footnote.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-footnote-10
91-prosecute-trump-obstruction-post-presidency.html


In the report, it’s Footnote 1,091, which appears on Page 178.

The implication of both the passage and the subsequent footnote is clear: If Trump committed obstruction of justice, even through official actions, a prosecutor could charge him after his term has ended. Mueller is not saying Trump did or did not obstruct because the rule Mueller was operating under says Mueller has to leave it indeterminate for now.

But impeachment would be no “substitute” for eventual criminal charges, and “Congress is not restricted to relying only on impeachment,” which is “a drastic and rarely invoked remedy.”

This is pretty strong stuff, and it hasn’t received the attention it deserves.

Attorney General Barr stands between Trump and his burning at the stake as a witch, but Barr leaves office when Trump leaves. The next Attorney General might not protect Trump from justice.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:15 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Reading through the first volume of the Mueller Report, what is amazing is the extent to which Russia went to help Trump win. This was no hobby on their part. It was a full on, man the battle stations effort.

Vol. 1, Page 36
III. RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING OPERATIONS

"Beginning in March 2016, units of the Russian Federation’s Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff (GRU) hacked the computers and email accounts of organizations, employees, and volunteers supporting the Clinton Campaign, including the email account of campaign chairman John Podesta. Starting in April 2016, the GRU hacked into the computer networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the Democratic National Committee (DNC). The GRU targeted hundreds of email accounts used by Clinton Campaign employees, advisors, and volunteers. In total, the GRU stole hundreds of thousands of documents from the compromised email accounts and networks.109 The GRU later released stolen Clinton Campaign and DNC documents through online personas, “DCLeaks” and “Guccifer 2.0,” and later through the organization WikiLeaks. The release of the documents was designed and timed to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election and undermine the Clinton Campaign."

"GRU officers also sent hundreds of spearphishing emails to the work and personal email accounts of Clinton Campaign employees and volunteers. Between March 10, 2016 and March 15, 2016, Unit 26165 appears to have sent approximately 90 spearphishing emails to email accounts at hillaryclinton.com. Starting on March 15, 2016, the GRU began targeting Google email accounts used by Clinton Campaign employees, along with a smaller number of dnc.org email accounts.117
The GRU spearphishing operation enabled it to gain access to numerous email accounts of Clinton Campaign employees and volunteers, including campaign chairman John Podesta, junior volunteers assigned to the Clinton Campaign’s advance team, informal Clinton Campaign advisors, and a DNC employee.118 GRU officers stole tens of thousands of emails from spearphishing victims, including various Clinton Campaign-related communications."

And on and on. This wasn't hacking Moldova, or some little Balkan state. I don't think a lot of people get that, or appreciate the level of intrusion that was made. You can't see any explosions or blood or buildings falling, so "meh."

https://www.theneweconomy.com/technology/a-history-of-russian-hacking

"Russia is now seen as the global hegemon in cyber warfare – a staggering feat for a country that, less than 30 years ago, experienced a total political upheaval that practically flattened its technology sector. Over the past 10 years, it has orchestrated a vast number of coordinated and uncompromising cyberattacks across governmental and private organisations.

This year alone has seen parties such as Barack Obama, the UK and Dutch governments and the Swiss attorney general condemn Russia for causing worldwide chaos through a series of brazen hacks. Russia’s methods have advanced technologically over the years, from rudimentary email-server hacking to the creation of tailored social media messages carrying destructive malware viruses. However, it is still not clear why the nation chose to embark upon such an injurious hacking campaign in the first place.

Some have said it is a demonstration of technical prowess; others have claimed it is symptomatic of the evolution of modern warfare. The experts all agree on one thing, though: that Russia’s cyber offensive shows no sign of slowing."

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Russia’s cyber offensive shows no sign of slowing.

At least 80% of Russians will be voting, electronically, for Trump. Ask Trump: When McCabe met with the President that afternoon, the President, without prompting, told McCabe that people in the FBI loved the President, estimated that at least 80% of the FBI had voted for him, and asked McCabe who he had voted for in the 2016 presidential election. Page 284 / 448

Nothing wrong with help from Russians, Trump lawyer says
www.apnews.com/309d46cd45ee4318a5226079f07f4085

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Tuesday, April 23, 2019 12:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Anybody who claims that Assange was the conduit for material hacked by "Russians" without ever having either (1)examined the server from which they were copied or (2) interviewing Assange and Craig Murry has NO credible evidence on which to base that allegation.

Furthermore, the metadata attached to those files (transfer rates, "last modified" timestamps which are always even which is FAT format) both show that the files were transferred to a USB stick and not "hacked" over the internet or emailed https://jamesfetzer.org/2019/03/bill-binney-and-larry-johnson-how-we-k
now-the-dnc-was-not-hacked-by-the-russians
/)
I find it preposterous that anyone would buy into this crock of shit without ever going into the actual evidence, but instead rely on the word of people whose job it is to lie.

MIKE POMPEO:"We lied, we cheated, we stole"




Of course, Julian Assange is "conveniently" locked away in a British maximum security prison, and unavailable for response.

I find it interesting that ... after seven years in the Ecuadorian Embassy ... Britain would suddeny find it necessary to arrest Julian Assange and the IMF would suddenly find it in its heart to supply Ecuador with a $4.2 billion loan. Assange was arrested on April 11, 2019 and the Mueller report issued on April 18, 2019. Fascinating cooincidence, no?



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