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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 1:18 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Building on your previous lie with more lies?
Like I said: You have snakes in your head. I've dealt with a person like you before SECOND: A killer who couldn't admit to themselves what they did (and why) and spent their entire life virtue signalling and hiding from the truth ... another person who couldn't forgive themselves. Another person with snakes in their head.

Signym, you have used this same move before. Trump has, too.

When Trump is caught red-handed in a lie or scandal, he has a time-worn playbook for weathering it. First, he lies about the facts of the matter, attempting to create enough uncertainty to inoculate his base and a portion of the rest of the population against accepting the reality of what has happened. Second, he pivots to attacking his antagonists (which in the past have included a dead senator, the father of a fallen soldier, and judges of Mexican heritage). Finally, he tries to change the subject.

Far from Trump emerging into a new phase of his presidency with the release of the Barr report, he has in fact lapsed into this age-old pattern. Phases one and two came quickly, with Trump and his surrogates claiming that the president had been completely exonerated even though Mueller explicitly did not make this judgment. They then accused the media and Democrats of corruptly conspiring to bring down the president.

But it is the next part of the administration’s response, phase three, which is so uniquely Trumpian. The president has frequently managed to survive scandals that might have felled other politicians because he is so adept at changing the conversation by sparking a new furor, which eclipses the old one. The result has been a presidency of serial scandals which can easily induce a sense of numbness in his opponents, while making himself appear invulnerable to any particular one of the hundreds of controversies encircling him.

Since the release of the Barr report, Trump has attempted to change the topic in two ways.

1) The first is on healthcare. Last Monday, the Trump administration filed a letter in a Texas court declaring that it would like to see the entirety of the Affordable Care Act – also known as Obamacare – declared unconstitutional. Backing a wacky legal challenge that has been levied against the ACA, the administration is advocating stripping healthcare benefits from tens of millions of Americans with no plan for how to provide them with alternative coverage. Although the move is a sure political loser for Republicans, Trump charged ahead anyway.

2) Second, Trump has stepped up his anti-immigrant rhetoric and threatened to close the US border with Mexico.

More at www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/03/mueller-report-donald-tr
ump-distractions


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SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 1:48 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.

Trump's self-destructive measures the last two weeks on healthcare and immigration demonstrate that what Trump is really after is headlines, not solutions. The fact that the president is so keen to change the subject now ought to make Democrats think twice about going along with his wishes. Instead, they need to stay focused on obtaining a full copy of the Mueller report and making its contents known to the public.

The president and his allies have engaged in a sinister and baffling pattern of behavior designed to hide their own connections to a foreign power. All we know so far is that Mueller was not able to prove that they criminally colluded with Russia, and that he was unable to exonerate the president of criminally obstructing the inquiry. Before we can move on, we need to know much more.

This is about returning a bare modicum of accountability to American public life after years of congressional Republicans shirking their constitutional duty to hold Trump to account. It is about finding out exactly how American national security was compromised in 2016, and why Trump and his surrogates are so keen to pretend it wasn’t.

Perhaps that’s why Barr won’t just release the report, and Trump wants to change the subject. Democrats shouldn’t let him.

More at www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/03/mueller-report-donald-tr
ump-distractions


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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 2:40 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


No takers!

Oh, well!


sgg


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Here Siggy,

Here's some info on Trumpy........scumbag-in-chief




sgg


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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 3:27 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
No takers!

Oh, well!

For 12 months Trump's approval rating has held pretty steady at 42%. That's elections and border crisis starts and stops and government shutdown and startup and Trump claiming windpower gives you cancer. With 42% of Americans being Trumptard boneheads, making America great again will be very difficult after Trump is gone.

CERTIFIED MORON DONALD TRUMP THINKS WIND TURBINES “CAUSE CANCER”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/donald-trump-wind-power-causes-cancer

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 3:33 PM

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 3:46 PM

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Maybe somebody should ask Rep. Jim Jordan,
R-Ohio, 4th District Lima, Marion, Elyria,
if Trump is correct about wind power causing cancer.

I believe Trump's cancer scare is to distract attention from the Mueller Investigation.

Trump Says Wind Turbine Noise Causes Cancer. (It Does Not.) A power source that does cause many health problems, including cancer, is coal, an extremely dirty fuel Trump loves and has attempted to bolster, with almost no success.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-says-wind-turbine-noise-c
auses-cancer-it-does-not.html


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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 4:41 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Everything he does is to distract away from the Mueller Investigation. He's cracking under pressure - Oranges!? ya know! the beginnings of the Mueller
Investigation.....WTF!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Maybe somebody should ask Rep. Jim Jordan,
R-Ohio, 4th District Lima, Marion, Elyria,
if Trump is correct about wind power causing cancer.

I believe Trump's cancer scare is to distract attention from the Mueller Investigation.

Trump Says Wind Turbine Noise Causes Cancer. (It Does Not.) A power source that does cause many health problems, including cancer, is coal, an extremely dirty fuel Trump loves and has attempted to bolster, with almost no success.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-says-wind-turbine-noise-c
auses-cancer-it-does-not.html


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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 4:45 PM

RUE

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Oh look! They're all getting together to re-write reality!

This'll be ... boring.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 6:22 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Oh look! They're all getting together to re-write reality!

This'll be ... boring.

Oh, look! rue/1kiki lost her mind on April 2, 2019 6:57 PM

Maybe blubbery Trump can save rue/1kiki from Death!

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023&mid=10732
11#1073211

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Originally posted by rue:
I agree with Signy. There are parts to you that are your definition of 'who you are'. I've never in my life had much of a sense of smell or taste. And I wore glasses from first or second grade. My hearing used to be phenomenal but I lost it so gradually and so early that I just laugh about being deaf. But the one constant sign of health was my low blood pressure. Then one day - overnight - it skyrocketed to stroke territory and I've been struggling even with medication to keep it down. That truly rocked me. To my core I felt vulnerable and unsafe, because I was.

But there may be some other side effect to 'smile' they don't know about yet. Here's an example: I was looking into turbinate (nose) surgery to relieve my constantly stuffed up nose. And I ran across a rare side effect called 'empty nose syndrome'. It's SO VERY distressing to the people who have it many commit suicide (at least one after murdering their surgeon). It apparently FEELS like your nose is constantly, unrelievedly, completely stuffed up even though, mechanically, you can breathe just fine.

(I thought about that and realized that even though we're not aware of it on a conscious level, we can actually feel air moving through our nose as we breathe. Generally when they do turbinate surgery they work on the lowest one of three because it's the biggest and the furthest away from your olfactory organ and your cribiform plate, which separates your brain from your nasal cavity. Anyway, when they open up the lowest turbinate completely, since the air is flowing smoothly through - laminar instead of turbulent - you can't sense the flow since air isn't impinging on any tissues. OTOH since your upper two turbinates are still swollen, you can feel the pressure. So it feels like your nose is stuffed up and no air is going through. The answer might be to have people suck menthol lozenges, since the menthol causes a cooling feeling as the air goes by. That might help people FEEL that they're breathing.)


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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 6:34 PM

RUE

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Completely losing your shit again?

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 7:30 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Completely losing your shit again?

Have you stopped defending Trump?

The April 2 deadline for turning the Mueller Report over to Congress has passed.

There was never any reason to give the Justice Department ten days, since they’re demanding an unredacted version. I suppose that’s water under the bridge, but what’s the excuse for delaying even longer now that their deadline is up? Bill Barr is not going to change his mind and he’s not going to “reach an accommodation.” That’s not what the Trump administration does. So just issue the subpoena and then go to court. It’s where we’ll end up eventually anyway. Why put it off?

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 8:14 PM

SIGNYM

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SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.- SIGNY

Trump's blah blah blah blah .... SECONDRATE



SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.


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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 8:29 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.

Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen recently testified in Congress that he does not believe the president is being audited.

But Trump continued to make the claim today, on Wednesday, April 3rd.

“We’re under audit despite what people said, and we’re working that out as I’m always under audit it seems. But I’ve been under audit for many years because the numbers are big and I guess when you have a name, you’re audited,” Trump said at a White House meeting with U.S. military leaders.

“But until such time as I’m not under audit, I would not be inclined to do that,” he said in response to a reporter’s question about the committee’s request for Trump's tax returns.

The U.S. House Ways and Means Committee asked the Internal Revenue Service for six years of President Donald Trump’s personal and business tax returns on Wednesday, in a long-awaited move that is widely expected to lead to a lengthy court battle with the Trump administration.

All 6 years are under audit continuously forever, if Trump can be believed.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tax/u-s-house-committee-seeks-tru
mp-tax-returns-from-irs-idUSKCN1RF2S1


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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 8:34 PM

SIGNYM

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Oh, look! rue/1kiki lost her mind on April 2, 2019 6:57 PM
Maybe blubbery Trump can save rue/1kiki from Death!- SECONDRATE

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023&mid=10732
11#1073211

Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).

All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.

Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts!



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 8:40 PM

THG


Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed

WASHINGTON — Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/some-on-muellers-team-see-thei
r-findings-as-more-damaging-for-trump-than-barr-revealed/ar-BBVB0HE?ocid=spartandhp


tick tock people...
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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 9:45 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).

All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.

Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts!

Signym, you and all the Trump lovers, and only them, gathered to speculate about the suicide of a FOX News personality working in a city they don't live. And then the Trump lovers shared their own sad stories with hints about their own deeply personal suicidal thoughts. You all are not right in the head and that goes for areas far removed from Trump or politics.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023

Signym, I look forward to you responded with something about "liars" and "snakes". I don't expect you will respond about Trump lying, today, that all his tax returns are always and forever being audited and that is why he can't give a copy to a House Committee looking into Tax Cheating by the wealthy.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tax/u-s-house-committee-seeks-tru
mp-tax-returns-from-irs-idUSKCN1RF2S1



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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 10:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).

All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.

Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts!

Signym, you and all the Trump lovers, and only them, gathered to speculate about the suicide of a FOX News personality working in a city they don't live. And then the Trump lovers shared their own sad stories with hints about their own deeply personal suicidal thoughts. You all are not right in the head and that goes for areas far removed from Trump or politics.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023

Signym, I look forward to you responded with something about "liars" and "snakes". I don't expect you will respond about Trump lying, today, that all his tax returns are always and forever being audited and that is why he can't give a copy to a House Committee looking into Tax Cheating by the wealthy.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tax/u-s-house-committee-seeks-tru
mp-tax-returns-from-irs-idUSKCN1RF2S1



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I had no idea she was from FOX. Seems you know more about her than I do.


Why don't you regale us with all the ways you'd assassinate Trump and get away with it again? Show us how right in the head you are.

Even T was impressed with that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 3, 2019 11:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


28 posts in one day? Isn't the Mueller Investigation over?

All we've learned is that SIGs is the same as Trump. According to Sloppy Second-rate.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 12:03 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted:
Maybe somebody should ask Rep. Jim Jordan,
R-Ohio, 4th District Lima, Marion, Elyria,
if Trump is correct about wind power causing cancer.

I believe Trump's cancer scare is to distract attention from the Mueller Investigation.

Trump Says Wind Turbine Noise Causes Cancer. (It Does Not.)
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-says-wind-turbine-noise-c
auses-cancer-it-does-not.html


Has anybody heard if second's claim has been verified by anyone?

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 2:44 AM

SIGNYM

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Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).

All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.

Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts! -SIGNY

Signym, you and all the Trump lovers...

Lying again! NOT a "Trump lover". (And not, btw, a "Russian troll")
Quote:

...and only them, gathered to speculate about the suicide of a FOX News personality working in a city they don't live. And then the Trump lovers shared their own sad stories with hints about their own deeply personal suicidal thoughts.
Lying again! Where, exactly, did ANY of us express any "suicidal thoughts"? Some QUOTES would be nice ... Hey, go find some!

Quote:

Signym, I look forward to you responded with something about "liars" and "snakes". SECONDRATE
Oh, I'll do you one better ...

I think the reason why YOU keep bringing up suicide is because it's been persistently on your mind. I think this is a case of sheer projection. Now, I'm only an armchair psychologist and of course you don't need to take me seriously, but ... dood ... I think you need to get some help lancing that emotional boil that's festering inside.

Quote:

I don't expect you will respond about Trump lying, today, that all his tax returns are always and forever being audited and that is why he can't give a copy to a House Committee looking into Tax Cheating by the wealthy.-SECONDRATE
There are probably thousands of things that I don't care about as far as Trump is concerned.

"Collusion"? A make-believe problem
"Obstruction"? Another made-up issue.

Lying about golf? Don't care.
Lying about his father's birthplace? Ditto
His former business practices? His taxes? His sexual habits?

Pffffttt!!!

I voted for him to get three things done. If he gets those three things done, I'm a happy camper. There is always life after Trump, but Trump will have preserved the foundation for getting other things done later.

Now, for the sake of completeness there are some personal crimes I WOULD react to ... murder, human (including child) trafficking etc. These crimes are so heinous they would outweigh any progress being made with policy.

But my happiness or unhappiness rests primarily on what Trump does with those three things. That's why I'm entirely unimpresssed with you and REAVERBOT's style of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. And yanno what? I'd say the same thing about Hillary.


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Thursday, April 4, 2019 4:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
28 posts in one day? Isn't the Mueller Investigation over?

All we've learned is that SIGs is the same as Trump. According to Sloppy Second-rate.



I do get a chuckle every time I see this thread title at the top.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 6:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I voted for him to get three things done. If he gets those three things done, I'm a happy camper. There is always life after Trump, but Trump will have preserved the foundation for getting other things done later.

Now, for the sake of completeness there are some personal crimes I WOULD react to ... murder, human (including child) trafficking etc. These crimes are so heinous they would outweigh any progress being made with policy.

But my happiness or unhappiness rests primarily on what Trump does with those three things. That's why I'm entirely unimpresssed with you and REAVERBOT's style of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. And yanno what? I'd say the same thing about Hillary.

Signym, aren't you nice and sane. What were those three things you voted for Trump to get done? Something about ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances. You could give a more nuanced summary than I. If you expect Trump to do the three, you'll have to repeat the three many-many more times than three.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 6:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I had no idea she was from FOX. Seems you know more about her than I do.

That was in the article you failed to read. Emphasize the words "you" and "fail".

Gee, I wonder why Attorney General Barr didn’t like the Mueller team’s own summary of their work. It would have been quick and easy to release, and presumably it would have been a very accurate precis of what the full report says.

Some members of the Special Prosecutor's office were particularly disappointed that Barr did not release summary information the special counsel team had prepared, according to two people familiar with their reactions. “There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work instead,” according one U.S. official briefed on the matter.

Summaries were prepared for different sections of the report, with a view that they could made public, the official said. The report was prepared “so that the front matter from each section could have been released immediately — or very quickly,” the official said. “It was done in a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself.”

Mueller’s team assumed the information was going to be made available to the public, the official said, “and so they prepared their summaries to be shared in their own words — and not in the attorney general’s summary of their work, as turned out to be the case.”

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/did-william-barr-whitewash-the-
mueller-report-part-2
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Thursday, April 4, 2019 8:26 AM

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Or maybe most normal people don't freak out when they see those three letters "FOX".

I went back to the article and saw that it mentions that she worked for FOX2 Detroit. It could have just as easily been ABC2 Cleveland, and would have made no difference.

You DO realize that local FOX local stations are not at all related to FOX cable news, don't you dummy?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Or maybe most normal people don't freak out when they see those three letters "FOX".

I went back to the article and saw that it mentions that she worked for FOX2 Detroit. It could have just as easily been ABC2 Cleveland, and would have made no difference.

You DO realize that local FOX local stations are not at all related to FOX cable news, don't you dummy?

Do you realize that most people will never make connections between "apparently" unconnected ideas and because of that they have very difficult lives and die in mediocrity? The connection is a spark, or a bolt of lighting when you are really lucky, that powers all progress. Some rich man wrote that while explaining that he didn't cheat, lie, or steal his fortune. It was not Trump, who did cheat, lie AND steal his fortune. Oh, and I also looked up the FOX suicide personality and she has (had?) pictures of herself, in MAGA cap, with Trump. Sad that Trump didn't call her after her botched vision improvement surgery. Also sad that Trump does not know what three things Signym wants him to do. He is forever saying he is going to do things, and then he forgets. Signym should remind him as many times as necessary. He is getting a little forgetful and funny in the head, you know what I mean if you know someone with dementia.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second: Also sad that Trump does not know what three things Signym wants him to do. He is forever saying he is going to do things, and then he forgets. Signym should remind him as many times as necessary.


Not to defend Trump - but her 3 things were designed to be as memorable as wet cardboard.

1. "Defeat TPP!" Yeah, right - such a huge part of her everyday joy and happiness. Sounds great though! Snore.
2. "Stop the global wars!" Who's gonna have a problem with that? Who doesn't want that? No one on the planet would want that. Not even Trump. Ok, so Trump does want that - see: increase in military spending. See: Trump not doing a single thing to reduce military footprint in the world. Start Hillary! WarHawk! BS in 3... 2... 1...
3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:16 AM

REAVERFAN


Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
https://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-team-gathered-alarming-trump-ob
struction-evidence-washington-post


The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.

In his summary, Barr said that the special counsel did not establish evidence for a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and said that Mueller didn’t conclude “one way or the other” as to whether Trump’s conduct in office constituted obstruction of justice. Barr also said that he concluded the evidence was not sufficient to prove obstruction. “There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work,” said one official. Summaries were reportedly prepared for different sections of the report, which Mueller’s team thought could be released immediately without redaction.

Also,

Suddenly, Republicans Don’t Care About How Mueller Spent His Money
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-report-suddenly-republicans-dont
-care-about-how-mueller-spent-his-money



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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...

Deporting foreigners. The 3 are: ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances. His "solid" achievements are New NAFTA which hasn't passed Congress, threatening to build a fence, threatening to leave NATO.
www.politico.com/story/2019/04/02/pelosi-new-nafta-mexico-1311482
https://theweek.com/speedreads/817684/trump-reportedly-keeps-threateni
ng-pull-nato-coincidentally-thats-putins-no-1-goal


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Thursday, April 4, 2019 1:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...

Deporting foreigners. The 3 are: ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances.



Wrong on all counts. You're lying, again.


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Thursday, April 4, 2019 1:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...

Deporting foreigners. The 3 are: ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances.



Wrong on all counts. You're lying, again.

Would you care to point us toward the URL where you concisely described your position? Or is your position so foggy, confused, and full of hot air (tl;dnr) that you actually do not have a position and therefore would rather not?
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdnr

Signym, if you want Trump to do your 3 somethings, the something has to be short enough that he will read all the way to the end. Make your answer tweet size . . .

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 2:01 PM

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I think I'm going to MOSTLY sit this thread out. I see the usual suspects are circling the wagons against reality. And what's the point of arguing about somebody's delusions? There are more productive things to do that have to do with actuality.

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
I think I'm going to mostly sit this thread out. I see the usual suspects are circling the wagons against reality. And what's the point of arguing about somebody's delusions? There are more productive things to do that have to do with actuality.

Why did you post, then, if your time is so precious?

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

The New York Times had no legitimate sources, which would be totally illegal, concerning the Mueller Report. In fact, they probably had no sources at all! They are a Fake News paper who have already been forced to apologize for their incorrect and very bad reporting on me!

8:04 AM - 4 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1113819627212169219

Who needs a president who committed a lot of gray area crimes but just isn’t indicted?

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House Democrats explain why it’s taken 3 months to authorize subpoenas into Trump

House Democrats say they gave the White House many chances to comply with their requests voluntarily. But the Trump administration has clearly been reluctant to turn over anything — whether officials for testimony, or key documents — something Democrats are calling a clear attempt to stonewall major investigations into the president, his administration, his businesses, and his family.

House Democrats continue waiting on key documents from the Trump administration on what went wrong in Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria; they’re waiting on testimonies from White officials about security clearances; they’re waiting on more information about Trump’s national emergency declaration on the southern border. The list goes on.

Tired of Trump's stalling, House Democrats finally authorized subpoenas this week to get the full Mueller report. They got serious about requesting Trump’s tax returns. They issued four subpoenas related to the White House security clearance process and the administration’s effort to put a citizenship question on the census.

Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who sits on the House Oversight committee, said that it’s important that House Democrats work is perceived as Congress’ constitutional duty, and not just an attempt to “score partisan points on the president.”

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/4/18293880/house-democrats-subp
oenas-trump-slow


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Thursday, April 4, 2019 3:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECONDRATE: Stick it up your ass. That's where all your posts come from anyway.


There were three things I was hoping Trump would accomplish, because I believe they're extremely important and rbecause they're in any President's purview of foreign policy:

1) Kill TPP and TTIP. DONE. Those would have given up our sovereignty to trade tribunals. Also, it would be nice to extricate ourselves from NAFTA, CAFTA, and other "free trade" agreements.

2) Reverse illegal immigration. IN PROCESS.

3) End our endless wars. FAILURE.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61953&p=3

*I'm going to judge Trump's performance on the three things, and ONLY the three things, that I voted for:

1) Ending our pointless wars and making nice with Russia and everybody else. That means reining in the CIA and the State Dept and their endless "interventionism" abroad. And good luck with THAT, Donald!

2) Backing out of the "free trade" agreements that we seem to have negotiated in favor of the transnationals. The only trade agreement that I might be willing to let stand is the WTO ... and maybe not even that.

3) Getting rid of illegal immigration.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60986

There are more, even dating back to before the election. I leave it to you to find the reast.

I've been EXTREMELY CLEAR and very concise about my expectations. I've explained them to you, ad nauseum. Why should I explain them again? You're either really really stupid (incapable of learning) or your're so consumed by the voices in your head that there's no place for reality.






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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I've been EXTREMELY CLEAR and very concise about my expectations. I've explained them to you, ad nauseum. Why should I explain them again? You're either really really stupid (incapable of learning) or your're so consumed by the voices in your head that there's no place for reality.

Very good, Signym. Your three points are too long for a tweet, so Trump won't be reading them. None of your points require the President to go along. All of your points require the Congress to agree with Signym. If you don't like Wars, get the Congress to return to the good old days of 1941 when FDR could not go to war until Congress declared War. Congress has been ignoring that for the last 78 years. And while Congress is at it, they could place a leash around the CIA's neck, rather than let those pit bulls bite whoever the CIA and White House pleases.

And the most obvious, if Congress doesn't want trade deals, the President can't force a deal. Voting for Trump was not necessary to your side, Signym, but Congress is. What you need, Signym, is to get 26 of 50 States on your side. Getting the President to agree with you will get you almost nothing as Trump has demonstrated over and over. The President is not all powerful, except in tasks that can be completed in a week, such as nuking the entire world or shutting down all flights of the Boeing 737 Max.

It is Congress that is all powerful (including the power to remove Presidents and Judges), not the President, but it is very difficult to get 26 States to decide anything, which often leaves what little gets decided to the President.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 5:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.

And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 6:39 PM

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WSJ op-ed (font and format approximates original)


Trolling the Mueller Report

Democrats lost on collusion. Now they’re inventing a coverup.

Democrats are still reeling from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s conclusion that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russians in 2016. But they’ve now hit upon a political comeback strategy: Accuse Attorney General William Barr of a coverup.

That’s the context for Wednesday’s decision by House Democrats to authorize subpoenas, on a partisan vote, demanding that Mr. Barr immediately hand over the entire Mueller report and its supporting evidence. This is intended to give the impression, abetted by a press corps that was fully invested in the collusion story, that Mr. Barr is somehow lying about Mr. Mueller’s real conclusions.

That’s preposterous, since Mr. Barr’s four-page letter quotes directly from Mr. Mueller’s report. The AG surely understood on releasing the summary of conclusions last week that he would be open to contradiction by Mr. Mueller if he took such liberties. Mr. Barr also knew he’d be called to testify before Congress once the rest of the report is released.

Mr. Barr has committed to releasing as much of the report as possible subject to Justice Department rules. He’s working with the special counsel’s office to make redactions required by grand-jury rules of secrecy, intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and “the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties.”

Under Justice rules relating to special counsels, Mr. Barr has no obligation to provide anything beyond notifying Congress when an investigation has started or concluded, and whether the AG overruled a special counsel’s decisions. Mr. Barr’s notice to Congress that Mr. Mueller had completed his investigation said Mr. Mueller was not overruled.

Congress has no automatic right to more. The final subparagraph of DOJ’s rule governing special counsels reads: “The regulations in this part are not intended to, do not, and may not be relied upon to create any rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or equity, by any person or entity, in any matter, civil, criminal or administrative.”

Mr. Barr has made clear that he appreciates the public interest in seeing as much of Mr. Mueller’s report as possible. Yet his categories of information for review aren’t frivolous or political inventions. The law protecting grand-jury secrecy is especially strict, as even Democrats admit.

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff recently tweeted that “Barr should seek court approval (just like in Watergate) to allow the release of grand jury material. Redactions are unacceptable.” This is an acknowledgment that the government must apply to a judge for permission to disclose grand-jury proceedings.

A judge can grant release in certain circumstances—namely to government attorneys who need the information for their duties. None of the secrecy exceptions permit disclosure to Congress or the public. The purpose of this secrecy is to protect the innocent and encourage candor in grand-jury testimony.

It’s true that in 1974 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a federal judge’s decision to release a grand jury report to the House Judiciary Committee that was investigating Watergate. Such a sealed report—which juries can choose to produce—is different from raw grand-jury testimony, which is what Democrats are demanding now. The Supreme Court has never ruled on such a disclosure, so Democrats could be facing a long legal battle if Mr. Barr resists their subpoenas.

Mr. Barr should release as much of the report as possible, and on close calls he should side with public disclosure. But no one should think that Democrats are really worried about a coverup. They want to see an unredacted version before the public does so they can leak selected bits that allow them to use friendly media outlets to claim there really was collusion, or to tarnish Trump officials.

The nation is entitled to the Mueller facts in their proper context, not to selective leaks from Democrats trying to revive their dashed hopes of a collusion narrative that the Mueller probe found doesn’t exist.

Appeared in the April 4, 2019, print edition.


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Thursday, April 4, 2019 7:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
https://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-team-gathered-alarming-trump-ob
struction-evidence-washington-post


The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.

In his summary, Barr said that the special counsel did not establish evidence for a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and said that Mueller didn’t conclude “one way or the other” as to whether Trump’s conduct in office constituted obstruction of justice. Barr also said that he concluded the evidence was not sufficient to prove obstruction. “There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work,” said one official. Summaries were reportedly prepared for different sections of the report, which Mueller’s team thought could be released immediately without redaction.

Also,

Suddenly, Republicans Don’t Care About How Mueller Spent His Money
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-report-suddenly-republicans-dont
-care-about-how-mueller-spent-his-money





It's looking like Mueller didn't say Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians, because the evidence showed these guys were so stupid the Russians manipulated them, like a puppeteer miniplates a puppet. Sad, very sad.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 7:52 PM

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William Barr Was Just Exposed on His Bullshit Summary of the Mueller Report
In a true shocker, The Barr Letter did not accurately represent the full findings of The Mueller Report.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27041135/robert-mueller-team-qu
estion-william-barr-letter-donald-trump-russia
/


It was amazing to watch the reaction to The Barr Letter. Here was an attorney general who got the job after he wrote a 19-page memo cross-examining the Mueller probe, particularly on the question of obstruction of justice, releasing a four-page summary of a two-year investigation that dismissed obstruction along the same lines he had before he'd seen any of the non-public evidence. Barr was also involved in sweeping a previous Republican presidential scandal under the rug, as he was George H.W. Bush's attorney general when that president opted to pardon everybody involved in Iran-Contra before they could start testifying about how deep that scandal went into the Reagan and Bush administrations.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 7:59 PM

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Report: Mueller investigators wrote summaries they assumed would be made public
https://theweek.com/speedreads/833201/report-mueller-investigators-wro
te-summaries-assumed-made-public


When Special Counsel Robert Mueller submitted his report on Russian interference in the 2016 election and the possibility of President Trump obstructing justice, it was prepared so every section had its own summary, with the belief each would be made available to the public, a U.S. official familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.

With that in mind, some members of the Mueller team have told associates they are frustrated with Attorney General William Barr sending a four-page letter to Congress that summarized the report in his own words. "There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work instead," the official told the Post, adding that Mueller's office prepared their summaries in "a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself."

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.

And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.

Signym, nobody who took a high school class in government will ever forget you know nothing about America. Back in 1969 we had much more serious discussions than at fff.net in class at Sam Rayburn High in Pasadena, TX about the ridiculous Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and how Congress was not taking responsibility for the Vietnam War. That War had not yet turned into the complete fiasco of the Nixon years, but Congress was letting it happen out of indecision. I noticed today that Congress has awoken from its long slumber about Wars, going up against Trump's stupidity that is greater than Nixon's:

"Congress invokes powers to challenge Trump on war in Yemen"
www.apnews.com/263d2069e3a0450b9f6329d01004de0c

There are many things wrong in the Federal Government that only Congress can fix. Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power and certainly this President doesn't have the wisdom. Signym, if you ever believed that foolish Trump could fix any of your three must-have things, you were deluding yourself.

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Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ...

If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?

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Friday, April 5, 2019 1:28 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
28 posts in one day? Isn't the Mueller Investigation over?

All we've learned is that SIGs is the same as Trump. According to Sloppy Second-rate.


I do get a chuckle every time I see this thread title at the top.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

And another 23 posts today.

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Quote:

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WSJ op-ed (font and format approximates original)


Trolling the Mueller Report

Democrats lost on collusion. Now they’re inventing a coverup.

Democrats are still reeling from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s conclusion that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russians in 2016. But they’ve now hit upon a political comeback strategy: Accuse Attorney General William Barr of a coverup.

That’s the context for Wednesday’s decision by House Democrats to authorize subpoenas, on a partisan vote, demanding that Mr. Barr immediately hand over the entire Mueller report and its supporting evidence. This is intended to give the impression, abetted by a press corps that was fully invested in the collusion story, that Mr. Barr is somehow lying about Mr. Mueller’s real conclusions.

That’s preposterous, since Mr. Barr’s four-page letter quotes directly from Mr. Mueller’s report. The AG surely understood on releasing the summary of conclusions last week that he would be open to contradiction by Mr. Mueller if he took such liberties. Mr. Barr also knew he’d be called to testify before Congress once the rest of the report is released.

Mr. Barr has committed to releasing as much of the report as possible subject to Justice Department rules. He’s working with the special counsel’s office to make redactions required by grand-jury rules of secrecy, intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and “the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties.”

Under Justice rules relating to special counsels, Mr. Barr has no obligation to provide anything beyond notifying Congress when an investigation has started or concluded, and whether the AG overruled a special counsel’s decisions. Mr. Barr’s notice to Congress that Mr. Mueller had completed his investigation said Mr. Mueller was not overruled.

Congress has no automatic right to more. The final subparagraph of DOJ’s rule governing special counsels reads: “The regulations in this part are not intended to, do not, and may not be relied upon to create any rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or equity, by any person or entity, in any matter, civil, criminal or administrative.”

Mr. Barr has made clear that he appreciates the public interest in seeing as much of Mr. Mueller’s report as possible. Yet his categories of information for review aren’t frivolous or political inventions. The law protecting grand-jury secrecy is especially strict, as even Democrats admit.

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff recently tweeted that “Barr should seek court approval (just like in Watergate) to allow the release of grand jury material. Redactions are unacceptable.” This is an acknowledgment that the government must apply to a judge for permission to disclose grand-jury proceedings.

A judge can grant release in certain circumstances—namely to government attorneys who need the information for their duties. None of the secrecy exceptions permit disclosure to Congress or the public. The purpose of this secrecy is to protect the innocent and encourage candor in grand-jury testimony.

It’s true that in 1974 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a federal judge’s decision to release a grand jury report to the House Judiciary Committee that was investigating Watergate. Such a sealed report—which juries can choose to produce—is different from raw grand-jury testimony, which is what Democrats are demanding now. The Supreme Court has never ruled on such a disclosure, so Democrats could be facing a long legal battle if Mr. Barr resists their subpoenas.

Mr. Barr should release as much of the report as possible, and on close calls he should side with public disclosure. But no one should think that Democrats are really worried about a coverup. They want to see an unredacted version before the public does so they can leak selected bits that allow them to use friendly media outlets to claim there really was collusion, or to tarnish Trump officials.

The nation is entitled to the Mueller facts in their proper context, not to selective leaks from Democrats trying to revive their dashed hopes of a collusion narrative that the Mueller probe found doesn’t exist.

Appeared in the April 4, 2019, print edition.

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Friday, April 5, 2019 1:57 AM

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SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.

And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.

Signym, nobody who took a high school class in government will ever forget you know nothing about America. Back in 1969 we had much more serious discussions than at fff.net in class at Sam Rayburn High in Pasadena, TX about the ridiculous Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and how Congress was not taking responsibility for the Vietnam War. That War had not yet turned into the complete fiasco of the Nixon years, but Congress was letting it happen out of indecision.

Such a delusional twit. Just because you and your high school twits didn't know about McNamara's disasters and LBJ's Tuesday Luncheons doesn't mean they weren't real.

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Friday, April 5, 2019 6:45 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ...

If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?

I don't want him dead. Trump has made me rich with a huge tax cut that will end when he is gone. But many other people have made me rich and that never stopped me from suing and winning when they tried to cheat me. Then there is the patriotic thing I've got going. Trump acts like a fool in front of the whole world. Despite that, he has 42% approval rating in the USA. I have a great deal of experience, going back many decades, with the people who now love Trump. These are people I never liked, only tolerated, but to get along I don't punch them in the face. I'm transferring my anger at their decades long string of stupidity and incompetence to Trump, who is a huge nincompoop.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Maybe I should give some examples of the powerlessness of a President. Trump pulled America out of the Paris Climate Agreement. He also has tried to reverse coal's misfortunes of closing coal burning power plants. He is failing. America is still reducing its CO2 emissions same as if it was honoring the Paris Climate Agreement. And coal is not coming back.

Remember those Carrier jobs Trump "saved"? Neither does he. He is less powerful than he imagines.
www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a20066498/carrier-f
actory-donald-trump-jobs
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 5, 2019 6:52 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Such a delusional twit. Just because you and your high school twits didn't know about McNamara's disasters and LBJ's Tuesday Luncheons doesn't mean they weren't real.

Hello, stupid moron. You got it exactly backwards per your usual. We did know in the class room. We did discuss it. But unlike here at fff.net there was a respected authority, the teacher, who could flunk us or use corporal punishment if we did not remember the facts and instead launched off into political fantasies. JewelStaiteFan, you would have flunked that civics class, but the students would have enjoyed seeing you paddled everyday as the teacher tried and failed to beat the nonsense out of you.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 5, 2019 10:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ... SECONDRATE

If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?- RUE/KIKI

I don't want him dead ...- SECONDRATE

Wow. SECOND, we all read what you posted, and then read how you doubled down on it after you were questioned about it.

So ... lying. Is it a way of life for you, now?

You lie in the worst possible way, SECOND: You lie to yourself about what you're doing and why you're doing it.

Get that problem fixed. See someone. You'll be a whole person and the snakes will be out of your head.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Friday, April 5, 2019 10:34 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump retreated from his own policy yesterday, announcing that he’d decided not to close the border.

Trump, during a brief Q&A with reporters yesterday, he suggested that his threats forced Mexico to make significant changes, which made it possible for him to walk away from his gambit.

“Well, you know, Mexico has been – Mexico has been doing a very good job the last three or four days – since we talked about closing the border, which is very real. […]

“And I will say this: that Mexico, in the last four days, has really done a great job on their southern border…. And if you take a look, you’ll see a big difference.”

The president made related comments on Tuesday, boasting that Mexican officials improved their apprehension policies “as of yesterday.”

The Washington Post reported this morning that, Trump’s rhetoric notwithstanding, “Mexican authorities have said they have not altered their enforcement policies.”

Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard told reporters he doesn’t know why the American president suddenly began praising Mexican policies.

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-caving-trump-tries-spin-his-way
-out-the-mess-he-made


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Friday, April 5, 2019 12:02 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ... SECONDRATE

If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?- RUE/KIKI

I don't want him dead ...- SECONDRATE

Wow. SECOND, we all read what you posted, and then read how you doubled down on it after you were questioned about it.
So ... lying. Is it a way of life for you, now?
You lie in the worst possible way, SECOND: You lie to yourself about what you're doing and why you're doing it.
Get that problem fixed. See someone. You'll be a whole person and the snakes will be out of your head.



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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