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The Government Is Detaining and Interrogating Journalists and Advocates at the US-Mexico Border

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Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:26 PM

REAVERFAN


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In what looks like a coordinated attack on constitutional rights, the U.S. government has reportedly been targeting journalists, activists, and lawyers working to raise awareness of issues facing migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border.

On Wednesday, the NBC affiliate in San Diego revealed leaked documents showing that authorities — including U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the FBI — targeted these journalists and activists for scrutiny at the border and created a secret database containing dossiers that included their personal details, social media information, and descriptions of their migrant-related work.

This follows news reports in February documenting how CBP repeatedly subjected journalists to lengthy interrogation and confiscations of their cameras and notes at border facilities. The U.S. government also apparently worked with Mexican authorities to prevent photojournalists from entering Mexico to report on migrant issues.

Let’s be clear: This is unconstitutional.

-Then, what do trumptards care about the constitution? They don't even know what it says.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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There's a "secret" database on all of us. Every time I post something in here it's sitting next to phone conversations I have with my parents on some hard drives deep down in some bunker. Nobody ever actually reads or listens to any of it, but it's there just in case I ever become a person of interest.

Buying a VPN won't save you from any of that either. If anything, willingly signing up for one and putting it on your credit card is almost like an admission of guilt that you are or you intend to skirt the laws online and you're more likely to be put in a different basket of people to watch a little more closely than people without VPNs.





Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 5:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's a "secret" database on all of us. Every time I post something in here it's sitting next to phone conversations I have with my parents on some hard drives deep down in some bunker the Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center in Camp Williams, Utah, . Nobody ever actually reads or listens to any of it, but it's there just in case I ever become a person of interest.



Thank you, President Obama, for this contribution to our privacy!

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 6:47 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


OOOoooo, the Deep State is watching. Little baby geese, they're juggled!


sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's a "secret" database on all of us. Every time I post something in here it's sitting next to phone conversations I have with my parents on some hard drives deep down in some bunker. Nobody ever actually reads or listens to any of it, but it's there just in case I ever become a person of interest.

Buying a VPN won't save you from any of that either. If anything, willingly signing up for one and putting it on your credit card is almost like an admission of guilt that you are or you intend to skirt the laws online and you're more likely to be put in a different basket of people to watch a little more closely than people without VPNs.





Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 6:50 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


In a fascist state, this is what happens. Fear is key and so, we have the jackbooted thugs rounding people up and detaining them. Just like in a Banana
Republic....you know, the Shithole States.

Noriega would be proud.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/freedom-press/government-detaini
ng-and-interrogating-journalists-and-advocates-us?fbclid=IwAR0B4PPa8IztAayjGoXuJDf9jdxlPsjlsc_lKuTcvcGTMBRAj5-nekPk6ck


In what looks like a coordinated attack on constitutional rights, the U.S. government has reportedly been targeting journalists, activists, and lawyers working to raise awareness of issues facing migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border.

On Wednesday, the NBC affiliate in San Diego revealed leaked documents showing that authorities — including U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the FBI — targeted these journalists and activists for scrutiny at the border and created a secret database containing dossiers that included their personal details, social media information, and descriptions of their migrant-related work.

This follows news reports in February documenting how CBP repeatedly subjected journalists to lengthy interrogation and confiscations of their cameras and notes at border facilities. The U.S. government also apparently worked with Mexican authorities to prevent photojournalists from entering Mexico to report on migrant issues.

Let’s be clear: This is unconstitutional.

-Then, what do trumptards care about the constitution? They don't even know what it says.


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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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They've been watching since the "Patriot" Act came into being.

Every single thing you've ever posted anywhere. Any phone conversation you've ever had. It's all on file.

Maybe you're lucky that you don't live in a fascist dictatorship, and that Trump isn't really a fascist.

Ask the good people of South Korea what happened to anybody who held any leftist opinions for 40 years after WWII. Never mind North Korea.

Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
OOOoooo, the Deep State is watching. Little baby geese, they're juggled!


sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's a "secret" database on all of us. Every time I post something in here it's sitting next to phone conversations I have with my parents on some hard drives deep down in some bunker. Nobody ever actually reads or listens to any of it, but it's there just in case I ever become a person of interest.

Buying a VPN won't save you from any of that either. If anything, willingly signing up for one and putting it on your credit card is almost like an admission of guilt that you are or you intend to skirt the laws online and you're more likely to be put in a different basket of people to watch a little more closely than people without VPNs.





Do Right, Be Right. :)




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:30 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

They've been watching since the "Patriot" Act came into being.


Yes, blame W for that one. Or is it Cheney? A deflection worthy of the best in
terms of complete denial of facts (see below).

Quote:

Every single thing you've ever posted anywhere. Any phone conversation you've ever had. It's all on file.


Well, I guess I'm going to hell. Here let me make sure: "The Deep State could suck my dick. No collusion!"

Quote:

Maybe you're lucky that you don't live in a fascist dictatorship,


Hate to break it to you buddy. We're there!

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and that Trump isn't really a fascist.


Ha! I could always count on you to make me laugh. Trump, a fascist...naaaahhh!


sgg

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:41 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here Jack, let me make you feel at home:




The fascist state of Z.


SGG

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 1:16 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


No fascists.....anywhere



Is Libya a free country?




In other regimes around the world, fascism exists



Around the fucking world...



What do all these "shitholes" have in common?


sgg

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 1:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, to go to the economic definition of "fascism", since our government (both Democrats and Republicans) work for the benefit of large corporations (altho Democrats tend to focus on transantionals and banks, while Republicans under Trump tend to focus on companies based in the USA) I would say we're about 85% fascist on that.

In terms of the "civil rights" aspects of fascism, that's a tougher call since we will not often be told when, how, and by whom our civil rights are being violated. But at this point of universal surveillance (GWB, Obama) and the creation of large databases of information (GWB, Obama), arrests without habeas corpus (GWB, Obama) plus punishment without trial (Obama), vigorous prosecution of whistleblowers (Obama), the willing partnership of the legacy M$M (since at least Vietnam) and social media (since Trump, but not at Trump's direction) with the deep state ... hmmm... I'd say we're about 80% there, too.

BTW: Libya? It's a clusterfuck that we created. It may have been a clusterfuck all on its own, but since we broke it, we bought it.

*****

So basically, SGG, here's what I suggest:

1) One of the main purposes of political fascism is to get people to fall into line, either by pounding a message at us day after day (WMD!!! WMD!! WMD!! or "terrorism! terrorism! terrorism! or RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!) or by prosecuting/ detaining/ de-platforming whistleblowers or those with alternate views.

The fix for that is to view ALL news with an extremely healthy dose of skepticism, to the point of being just sheerly oppositional. At this point, I assume that the M$M is lying almost all of the time, and that the alternates are often mistaken. Disbelieve everything you hear or read at first blush until there is solid evidence behind it. That will keep you from being stampeded by propaganda.

2) Economically, reduce your debt burden as much as possible, and be something of a "prepper". Prepare for emergencies, whether that is hurricane, blizzard, flood, fire, or earthquake. Try to form working bonds with your neighbors, since nobody will get thru this alone, and peel yourself from the financial system as much as possible. There is a lot of advice "out there" so I won't go through it all, but at least keep some cash on-hand if power goes out or financial systems are massively hacked. Along those lines, I think probably JSF is the most prepared because of his semi-rural lifestyle.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 2:21 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM: Along those lines, I think probably JSF is the most prepared because of his semi-rural lifestyle.


Congratulations JSF! You have been deemed: Dumb or vain enough (or both) to be recruited. Enjoy your monthly quota of fake hi-larity "hahaha! You owe me a keyboard, JSF!" or similar examples of genuine patronizing. Or, "best post eva JSF!" attaboy ego-stroking. You have done the Motherland proud, and all without even knowing it. Win-win!

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I guess since you don't have an actual reality-based response, you have to resort to defamation and lies, like the good little propagndist that you are.


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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:11 PM

RUE


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
OOOoooo, the Deep State is watching. Little baby geese, they're juggled!


sgg

I'm guessing you don't care about your privacy, or about the Constitutional protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:15 PM

RUE


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
In a fascist state, this is what happens. Fear is key and so, we have the jackbooted thugs rounding people up and detaining them. Just like in a Banana
Republic....you know, the Shithole States.

Noriega would be proud.


SGG

How about rounding up and deporting. Does that count?
Quote:

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/stor
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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:21 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM: Along those lines, I think probably JSF is the most prepared because of his semi-rural lifestyle.


Congratulations JSF! You have been deemed: Dumb or vain enough (or both) to be recruited. Enjoy your monthly quota of fake hi-larity "hahaha! You owe me a keyboard, JSF!" or similar examples of genuine patronizing. Or, "best post eva JSF!" attaboy ego-stroking. You have done the Motherland proud, and all without even knowing it. Win-win!



Sig says you don't have a reality based response G. How funny is that?

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:49 PM

RUE


Quote:

They've been watching since the "Patriot" Act came into being.
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:


Yes, blame W for that one. Or is it Cheney?

sgg

Does it matter to you that Obama vastly expanded surveillance of innocent people? Or that Congressional democrats were on-board with it? (See the link for an extensive list of Obama administration surveillance abuses. I got tired of copy/paste and only quoted a very few.)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveillance
U.S. president Barack Obama has received widespread criticism due to his support of government surveillance.

In 2011, Obama signed a four-year renewal of the Patriot Act, specifically provisions allowing roaming wiretaps and government searches of business records. Obama argued that the renewal was needed to protect the United States from terrorist attacks. ... Obama received criticism for his reversal on privacy protection.

In June 2013, reports from a cache of top secret documents leaked by ex-NSA contractor Edward Snowden revealed that the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and its international partners had created a global system of surveillance that was responsible for the mass collection of information on American and foreign citizens.

Obama initially defended NSA mass surveillance programs when they were first leaked. He argued that NSA surveillance was transparent and claimed that the NSA is unable and had made no attempt to monitor the phone calls and e-mails of American citizens. Following Snowden's admittance to leaking classified documents regarding national surveillance, Obama attempted to ignore the issue of NSA surveillance. It was speculated that Obama did this to avoid complicating the Department of Justice investigation into Snowden.

In August 2013, Obama argued that his administration was already in the process of reviewing the NSA surveillance programs when they were leaked by Snowden. Obama stated that it would have been best for the American people to have never learned about the programs. ... However, he also promised to make public information about government surveillance and work with Congress to increase public confidence in the government.

On January 17, 2014, President Obama gave a public address on mass surveillance ... (where) Obama promised increased restrictions on data collection of American citizens, which would include the requirement of court approval for searches of telephone records. In addition, Obama called for increased oversight and admitted the dangers NSA surveillance posed to civil liberties.
Reactions

Obama's speech was criticized for being deliberately vague and not going far enough to protect civil liberties.

Representatives for Google, Facebook and Yahoo stated that Obama's proposed reforms represented positive progress, but that they did not ultimately do enough to protect privacy rights. A representative for Mozilla noted that mass surveillance had damaged the open Internet and caused balkanization and distrust.

On March 25, 2014, Obama promised to end the NSA's collection and storage of bulk phone-call data. Despite this promise, his administration continued to seek reauthorization of the telephone metadata program.

But then, despite all his promises
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Obama Expands Surveillance Powers on His Way Out
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-power
s-his-way-out
With mere days left before President-elect Donald Trump takes the White House, President Barack Obama’s administration just finalized rules to make it easier for the nation’s intelligence agencies to share unfiltered information about innocent people.

New rules issued by the Obama administration under Executive Order 12333 will let the NSA—which collects information under that authority with little oversight, transparency, or concern for privacy—share the raw streams of communications it intercepts directly with agencies including the FBI, the DEA, and the Department of Homeland Security, according to a report today by the New York Times.

Hmmm. Raw data streams. Your phone conversations, internet activity, emails ... accessed complete and entire by the NSA ... and now, thanks to Obama ... shared with other three-letter agencies around the globe.



But it must be unimportant - even OK! - since Obama did it.

Right?

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:52 PM

RUE


SGG, your posts are full of sound and fury - signifying nothing.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:48 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

They've been watching since the "Patriot" Act came into being.


Yes, blame W for that one. Or is it Cheney? A deflection worthy of the best in
terms of complete denial of facts (see below).

Quote:

Every single thing you've ever posted anywhere. Any phone conversation you've ever had. It's all on file.


Well, I guess I'm going to hell. Here let me make sure: "The Deep State could suck my dick. No collusion!"

Quote:

Maybe you're lucky that you don't live in a fascist dictatorship,


Hate to break it to you buddy. We're there!

Quote:

and that Trump isn't really a fascist.


Ha! I could always count on you to make me laugh. Trump, a fascist...naaaahhh!


sgg



Witty. /sarcasm

I see you failed to quote or give a reply to the most important part of the post.

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Ask the good people of South Korea what happened to anybody who held any leftist opinions for 40 years after WWII. Never mind North Korea.

Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.



There is absolutely no doubt why you did.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:21 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
OOOoooo, the Deep State is watching. Little baby geese, they're juggled!


sgg

I'm guessing you don't care about your privacy, or about the Constitutional protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

That blew up years ago, and we'll never get it back.

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Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:58 PM

RUE


Obama certainly was pushing surveillance along, and Congressional democrats were only too happy to approve - the same was they approved the Patriot Act under dubya.

This is a democrat effort as well.

BTW, if you want privacy, go to Europe. They have the constitutional right to it.

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Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
BTW, if you want privacy, go to Europe. They have the constitutional right to it.



You're joking, right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 15, 2019 1:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Whistleblowers say NSA still spies on American phones in hidden program

Meanwhile, the bulk of the NSA’s surveillance and “offensive” information warfare capabilities remain completely unknown

*****

On Monday 4th, the New York Times reported that the National Security Agency has “quietly” shut down a controversial phone records surveillance program revealed by whistleblower Edward Snowden in 2013.

The claim was made by a senior Republican congressional aide who told the newspaper that the Trump administration had stopped using the program, which analyses the domestic call and text logs of American citizens, due to technical problems.

On Twitter Snowden hailed the news as a “victory”, while Intercept journalist Glen Greenwald, who broke the Snowden story to international acclaim, took the story at face value. Neither of them raised the obvious question?—?is the “shut down” of this program merely a smokescreen to continue spying on American phones under new or different secretive programs?

Since then, further doubt was cast on the NYT report when NSA chief General Paul Nakasone refused to confirm or deny the story. But he did tell a major security conference on Wednesday that the agency was still “in a deliberative process” about whether to use a revamped version of the vast database of American phone records.

All of this, however, is an elaborate ruse. According to two former top NSA officials interviewed by INSURGE, there is no credible reason to believe that NSA phone surveillance has truly been shut down.
What shut down?

When the NYT story broke, I reached out to two former senior NSA officials, Russ Tice and Thomas Drake, to find out what they thought.

Both of them told me that the NSA’s shut down of this particular program did not imply an end to domestic phone record surveillance, but quite the opposite?—?that the program had been superseded by superior technology.

According to Russ Tice, a former senior NSA intelligence analyst who had previously worked with the US Air Force, Office of Naval Intelligence and Defense Intelligence Agency, the latest claim that the NSA was rolling up phone surveillance beggared belief.
Former NSA intelligence analyst Russ Tice

“Why would anyone believe a bloody word of what NSA says about their mass domestic surveillance programs?” said Tice, who was the first NSA whistleblower who exposed unlawful surveillance and wiretaps of American citizens as early as May 2005. “They have lied repeatedly in the past and they are likely lying now. They have been collecting meta data and content, word-for-word, both voice and text, for some time now.”

I asked Tice how certain he was that the NSA was still conducting phone surveillance of Americans in the United States. “Of course NSA is still conducting phone and computer comms surveillance and yes, ‘wider programs’ go on and a new massive program that is more efficient is likely to have already been implemented,” he told me.

The real reason the current program has become defunct is because there is now better technology for more advanced surveillance.

“If anything, they no longer need this particular program to parse the card catalog?—?meta data?—?and can mine the content data directly with enhanced algorithms and processing and strapping. And when there is no pushback capability, congress is at the mercy of NSA to inform them on NSA’s abuses.”

Hidden programs under secret interpretations of different laws

Thomas Drake, a former senior executive of the NSA who blew the whistle on illegal mass surveillance, waste and mismanagement at the agency several years before Snowden’s revelations, agreed that NSA phone surveillance “continues in other forms” in spite of the closure of this particular program.

Much has been made of the impending expiry of the USA Freedom Act of 2015, due this December, under which the current phone surveillance program is run. But Drake told me that the NSA simply doesn’t need the Freedom Act to authorise continued warrantless phone surveillance of American citizens in the homeland.

Surveillance can still continue, he said, “under yet other special, exigent, exceptional authorities and programs?—?including Section 702 and Executive Order 12333?—?hiding in secret.”

Drake acknowledged that the NSA was also shifting toward adapting to widespread the changes in technology use, which could well have made the old program less than useful. “Communications using traditional land line and cell phone numbers and regular cellular text messaging is increasingly taken place on other messaging apps,” he added. “With respect to other authorities and cut outs, there are yet still other surveillance players and actors, too.”

In a series of tweets about the subject, Drake warned that the NSA’s recent history hardly vindicated the agency’s claims: “All these domestic spying programs fundamentally violated the Constitution, FISA & 4th Amendment on a mass scale, then went under cover of secret FISC approval, secret interpretations of law & then passage of unconstitutional ex post facto laws to make them ‘legal’.”

Tice and Drake’s views corroborate an independent analysis by The Register, which observes that the association of the Freedom Act’s Section 215 program with phone metadata could be advantageous for the agency:

“If the NSA offers to give up its phone metadata collection voluntarily, it opens up several opportunities for the agency. For one, it doesn’t have to explain what its secret legal interpretations of the law are and so can continue to use them. Second, it can repeat the same feat as in 2015?—?give Congress the illusion of bringing the security services to heel. And third, it can continue to do exactly what it was doing while looking to everyone else that it has scaled back.

Here’s one thing we are sure of: the NSA has already figured out how to get all the information that was gathered through the metadata part of Section 215. It will be through a different law under a different secret legal interpretation.”


A history of subversion

According to Tice, illegal NSA surveillance was targeted across the federal government in order to secure political leverage. He describes this use of surveillance as a counter-democratic tool allowing the agency to pressure elected leaders across the House and Senate.

And that's how a deep state could control government.

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Between 2002 and 2005, he said, he discovered that the NSA had been targeting all communications of Congress, FISA, the Supreme Court, senior Pentagon officials, the media, and even future presidential prospects.

The NSA was essentially “collecting fodder for their lists of dirt for blackmailing all levels of top government officials”, said Tice. The idea was “to ensure they had leverage with those that could conduct oversight.”

But NSA surveillance extends far beyond this to offensive capabilities which remain undisclosed to this day.

Tice said that due to his role at the NSA, he was aware of a highly classified program of activity which has never been revealed before, concerning ‘Special Access Program (SAP) Offensive Information Warfare’.

SAP refers to what Tice describes as the “black world”, an arena of completely unaccountable projects to develop technologies with frightening reach and power. “These programs go very far beyond just collecting communications?—?they can reach out and touch you, and cause great, even grave, tangible harm.”

“I am talking hardcore offense. The Title 10 and Title 50 restriction did not apply to my world. As I was once told at an after action briefing when I brought up some collateral damage we had caused, ‘We are above the laws and any form of oversight, we do a we please. So just chill out Russ’. I was thinking, holy shit, we are out of control. Then later I was even more horrified to realize he was correct, we had no controls on us.”

When I asked Tice to provide further detail on these offensive information warfare capabilities, he said that he declined to elaborate.

But he did emphasise that Snowden’s revelations on mass surveillance represent a tiny tip of the iceberg on what the NSA has been doing. He claims that a whole black world of secret programs exists, largely funded by the trillions of dollars that have gone missing from the US Department of Defense. These have gone to “black programs that are hidden, in many cases, from Congress.”

‘Ghost’ black programs

There are three different forms of SAP , Tice said: acknowledged, unacknowledged, and “Ghost” black programs. ‘Acknowledged’ programs are known to Congressional and Senate representatives sitting on the defense and intelligence committees.

In contrast, ‘unacknowledged’ black programs are known to a select number of representatives?—?the top majority and minority chairs and members in the defense and intelligence committees. On rare occasion, a single select member of the House might come to know by invitation only.

Then there are ‘Ghost’ black programs which the Pentagon and intelligence agencies “hide from all of Congress,” said Tice. “Many of these programs involved cutting edge technologies that are extremely expensive. I was an advanced technology analyst for many of these programs that included applications in space technology.”

During Tice’s tenure, these programs were only operational outside the United States. “The real question is whether the NSA has now begun to subject the citizens of the USA to their formidable black world offensive information warfare capabilities. There will be no recourse against Big Brother when it wields NSA’s weapons domestically against us all.”

Twelve years ago, Tice testified before the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations. He told the committee that although the NSA’s Special Access Program might have violated the Constitutional rights of millions of American citizens, neither the committee members nor even the NSA inspector general had the necessary security clearances to be told about the programs, let alone reviewing them more formally.

Tice was scheduled to testify before the Senate Armed Services Committee a week later about a “different angle” of NSA surveillance, but this never happened. Tice said that at the time the Pentagon and NSA had “told Congress they could not talk to me because they did not have the proper security clearances.”

In short: don’t believe the chorus of headlines implying that the NSA is shutting down its bulk surveillance program. Far from it. The agency is merely evolving and recalibrating, and as usual, very few in the press, Congress and US government are asking the awkward questions that urgently need to be asked.


https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/whistleblowers-say-nsa-still-s
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Friday, March 15, 2019 12:20 PM

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I'm surprised that the liberaloids here aren't all huffing and puffing about the continuing loss of our civil liberties.

I guess they must really like the "Russian" way of life.

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Friday, March 15, 2019 9:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm surprised that the liberaloids here aren't all huffing and puffing about the continuing loss of our civil liberties.

I guess they must really like the "Russian" way of life.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

That battle was lost under Bush.

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Friday, March 15, 2019 10:11 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm surprised that the liberaloids here aren't all huffing and puffing about the continuing loss of our civil liberties.

I guess they must really like the "Russian" way of life.

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America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

That battle was lost under Bush.



Then why are you still whinging about it?

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 7:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm surprised that the liberaloids here aren't all huffing and puffing about the continuing loss of our civil liberties.

I guess they must really like the "Russian" way of life.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

That battle was lost under Bush.



Then why are you still whinging about it?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Well, to be fair, there is plenty of damned good reasons to whine about it... and more.

At least Marcos admitted that this problem goes further back than Trump. Although I doubt very much that he'd admit that Obama furthered the cause. Though I haven't seen it get any better under Trump, I'm not aware of any instances where it's gotten worse as far as the Government is concerned.

Unfortunately, the Twitters and Facebooks and the like are doing a damn good job censoring people.

In the mean time, I recommend to everyone here to sign up for a Gab account.

They're unrolling an entire platform called "Dissenter" which will one day allow anybody to comment on any article or youtube video, which will really come in handy since most MSM outlets have disabled the ability for users to comment on the articles and YouTube is discussing doing the same thing to all YouTube videos in the future.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 2:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh I agree ... plenty of reasons to omplain. But when REAVERBOT runs around waving his arms in the air exclaiming ALL IS LOST! ... dood, it's lost. If something is lost then you have to stop grinding on it and move on.

Now, since REAVERBOT STILL complains bitterly about some things, presumably ahe doesn't REALLY believe that all is lost. I'm just pointing out the contradiction.

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Saturday, March 16, 2019 9:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey SIX:Dissenter was just banned in NZ. NZ also criminalized the possession of any of the live=stream of the mass shooting.

WTH, do they think that hiding the truth from people will make things better? How can anyone figure out what happened and why unless they have access to first-hand data? Are we supposed to just trust government to tell us what happened, and what's real?

I suppose, tho, that the liberaloids in this forum will find some way to excuse THIS form of censorship (bc it was done by the Kiwi government, and Kiwis are cool and socialist) even as they criticize Trump for lesser offenses. Just like "terrorism is terrorism" no matter who does it, they haven't figured out that censorship is censorship, no matter who does it.


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Sunday, March 17, 2019 7:34 AM

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Quote:

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Hey SIX:Dissenter was just banned in NZ. NZ also criminalized the possession of any of the live=stream of the mass shooting.



This doesn't surprise me in the least. This is along the lines of why I asked Rue if she was kidding in the other thread about Europeans having a right to privacy. (I realize that NZ is not in Europe, but outside of the US there hardly are any rights at all).

Personally, I would never watch the video, but I just don't have the stomach for that sort of thing. I won't even watch any movies that are considered "ultra-violent". I actually turned off the second Silence of the Lambs movie with the brain scene in disgust.

But at the same time, I think it should be out there for people to dissect.

Quote:

WTH, do they think that hiding the truth from people will make things better? How can anyone figure out what happened and why unless they have access to first-hand data? Are we supposed to just trust government to tell us what happened, and what's real?


That's what they're trying to do here. Remember when CNN told us that it was their job to tell us what to believe? (Stay classy, Mika)

Quote:

I suppose, tho, that the liberaloids in this forum will find some way to excuse THIS form of censorship (bc it was done by the Kiwi government, and Kiwis are cool and socialist) even as they criticize Trump for lesser offenses. Just like "terrorism is terrorism" no matter who does it, they haven't figured out that censorship is censorship, no matter who does it.


Of course they will celebrate it.

If RF was at all serious about sticking it to the man, he would be a huge supporter of Gab and Dissenter. Why do I doubt that's the case though?

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