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BBC producer says Douma hospital chemical attack scene was fake; secret OPCW report which concludes the same leaked to press

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Monday, February 18, 2019 1:07 PM

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BBC Producer Says Footage of Alleged Gas Attack Victims in Syria’s Douma Staged

LONDON (Sputnik) – Riam Dalati, the Syria producer at the BBC, said that the footage of people being treated after an alleged chemical weapons attack in the Syrian city of Duma was staged.

Dalati wrote on Twitter on Wednesday that the issue was investigated into for six months.

The journalist pointed out that no fatalities had occurred at the hospital, adding that the attack in Douma had not happened and sarin had not been used there. However, Dalati noted that the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) would look into whether chlorine was used at the scene.

Truth is @James__Harkin got the basics right in terms of #Douma‘s “propaganda” value.
The ATTACK DID HAPPEN, Sarin wasn’t used, but we’ll have to wait for @OPCW to prove Chlorine or otherwise.
However, everything else around the attack was manufactured for maximum effect. https://t.co/abRvSIMV1L — Riam Dalati (@Dalatrm)


Everything else around the attack was fabricated, according to Dalati.

After almost 6 months of investigations, i can prove without a doubt that the #Douma Hospital scene was staged. No fatalities occurred in the hospital.
All the #WH, activists and people i spoke to are either in #Idlib or #EuphratesShield areas.
Only one person was in #Damascus. — Riam Dalati (@Dalatrm)


The White Helmets group published the video after the reported attack in Douma, which is located in the Damascus neighborhood of Eastern Ghouta, in early April 2018. The video showed local residents, both adults and children, being treated in the hospital after the alleged attack.

But never approached the block of flats and curtailed access immediately after #Douma takeover.
I can tell you that Jaysh al-Islam ruled Douma with an iron fist. They coopted activists, doctors and humanitarians with fear and intimidation.— Riam Dalati (@Dalatrm).


The Executive Council of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has condemned any use of chemical weapons, referring specifically to the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission findings

OPCW Found No Trace of Nerve Agents in Syria’s Douma – Preliminary Report

The reports about the attack and the publication of the footage by the White Helmets were followed by missile strikes carried out by France, the United Kingdom and the United States on alleged chemical weapons production facilities in Damascus.

Western states have repeatedly accused the Syrian authorities of having carried out the Douma attack, while Damascus denied any involvement in the incident.

The Russian Foreign Ministry has said that the claims about the alleged use of toxic chemicals by the Syrian government were aimed at justifying external military action.

Moreover, prior to the Douma incident, the Russian Armed Forces warned about a provocation with the use of chemical weapons being prepared in the Syrian city by the militants.

Notably, back in April, the RT broadcaster reported that Dalati had already expressed his skepticism about the Douma hospital video in a Twitter post. However, the journalist subsequently deleted his tweet, citing a breach of editorial policy.

The same month, Hassan Diab, 11, who was featured in the White Helmets video, in an interview with a Russian media outlet alongside his father, gave a detailed description of how the footage of people treated in the hospital was filmed. Diab said, among other things, that children were given food for participating in the video.

Moreover, Douma residents, interviewed by Sputnik, were unable to confirm that the attack had taken place there. They said they knew nothing about it and were not aware of anybody having been affected by toxic chemicals.


https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/02/13/bbc-producer-says-footage-of-
alleged-gas-attack-victims-in-syrias-douma-staged
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Monday, February 18, 2019 1:08 PM

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Discussion of the event



Discussion of BBC's pushback on their producer's tweets



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Monday, February 18, 2019 2:11 PM

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So France and UK were punked by Russia, and US followed along? Is that the narrative?

Did Hilliary and Bobo provide the filming equipment?

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Monday, February 18, 2019 2:41 PM

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This so-called "chemical attack" - which according to a BBC producer was entirely staged by White Helmets and their affiliated jihadists - was really just a convenient pretext for France and the UK to attack Syria, and Trump (according to one opinion) was fooled into going along with it because he had no experience of the duplicity within the State Department/CIA/MI6 etc.

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Sunday, May 19, 2019 2:49 PM

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An OPCW memo, which was an engineering report on the Douma "chemical attack", has been leaked to the public. The memo was never included in the final report. In it, engineers evaluate pictures, released by the so-called White Helmets, which show gas cylinders which had supposedly crashed through roofs and landed in rooms below, and which had been placed there "manually" ... ie NOT "delivered by aircraft". Since the area was at the time was controlled by jihadists, only the jihadists could have set this up.


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32. At this stage the FFM engineering sub-team cannot be certain that the cylinders at either location arrived there as a result of being dropped from an aircraft. The dimensions, characteristics and appearances of the cylinders and the surrounding scene of the incidents, were inconsistent with what would have been expected in the case of either cylinder having been delivered from an aircraft. In each case the alternative hypothesis produced the only plausible explanation for observations at the scene.

33. In summary, observations at the scene of the two locations, together with subsequent analysis, suggest that there is a higher probability that both cylinders were manually placed at those two locations rather than being delivered from aircraft.


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-opcw-engineering-assessmen
t-the-douma-chemical-weapon-incident-was-staged.html


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UPDATE: OPCW Confirm Leaked Report is Genuine

https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/16/update-opcw-confirm-leaked-report-
is-genuine
/

Since the OPCW hid the report, one has to question its objectivity.






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Sunday, May 19, 2019 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
An OPCW memo, which was an engineering report on the Douma "chemical attack", has been leaked to the public. The memo was never included in the final report. In it, engineers evaluate pictures, released by the so-called White Helmets, which show gas cylinders which had supposedly crashed through roofs and landed in rooms below, and which had been placed there "manually" ... ie NOT "delivered by aircraft". Since the area was at the time was controlled by jihadists, only the jihadists could have set this up.


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32. At this stage the FFM engineering sub-team cannot be certain that the cylinders at either location arrived there as a result of being dropped from an aircraft. The dimensions, characteristics and appearances of the cylinders and the surrounding scene of the incidents, were inconsistent with what would have been expected in the case of either cylinder having been delivered from an aircraft. In each case the alternative hypothesis produced the only plausible explanation for observations at the scene.

33. In summary, observations at the scene of the two locations, together with subsequent analysis, suggest that there is a higher probability that both cylinders were manually placed at those two locations rather than being delivered from aircraft.


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-opcw-engineering-assessmen
t-the-douma-chemical-weapon-incident-was-staged.html


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UPDATE: OPCW Confirm Leaked Report is Genuine

https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/16/update-opcw-confirm-leaked-report-
is-genuine
/

Since the OPCW hid the report, one has to question its objectivity.

So the jihadists along with the White Helmets staged the whole thing.
What for?
To induce Western forces to bomb Damascus?
I'm not following the details of the region. Are jihadists the enemy of Damascus? Are parts of Syria not Muslim, or not controlled by Muslim? Jihadists Muslim? Damascus Muslim? What?

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Sunday, May 19, 2019 4:49 PM

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An OPCW memo, which was an engineering report on the Douma "chemical attack", has been leaked to the public. The memo was never included in the final report. In it, engineers evaluate pictures, released by the so-called White Helmets, which show gas cylinders which had supposedly crashed through roofs and landed in rooms below, and which had been placed there "manually" ... ie NOT "delivered by aircraft". Since the area was at the time was controlled by jihadists, only the jihadists could have set this up.


Quote:


32. At this stage the FFM engineering sub-team cannot be certain that the cylinders at either location arrived there as a result of being dropped from an aircraft. The dimensions, characteristics and appearances of the cylinders and the surrounding scene of the incidents, were inconsistent with what would have been expected in the case of either cylinder having been delivered from an aircraft. In each case the alternative hypothesis produced the only plausible explanation for observations at the scene.

33. In summary, observations at the scene of the two locations, together with subsequent analysis, suggest that there is a higher probability that both cylinders were manually placed at those two locations rather than being delivered from aircraft.


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-opcw-engineering-assessmen
t-the-douma-chemical-weapon-incident-was-staged.html


Quote:

UPDATE: OPCW Confirm Leaked Report is Genuine

https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/16/update-opcw-confirm-leaked-report-
is-genuine
/

Since the OPCW hid the report, one has to question its objectivity.
- SIGNY

So the jihadists along with the White Helmets staged the whole thing.
What for?
To induce Western forces to bomb Damascus?- JSF

Yes.

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I'm not following the details of the region. Are jihadists the enemy of Damascus?
yes

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Are parts of Syria not Muslim, or not controlled by Muslim? Jihadists Muslim? Damascus Muslim? What?
Jihadists are a Sunni Muslim sect who believe in "wahhabism" which believes that anyone who is not of their sect deserves to die, and to have their wealth and women stolen.

Syria is what they call "multi-confessional", which means that there are many faiths there. The majority of Syrians are indeed Sunni Arabs (but not Wahhabis), but there are significant minorities of Shia Muslims, Alawites, Christians, Druze, and non-Arabs such as Turkmen, Kurds, Yazidis, and other non-Arab ethnic minorities.

The current elected head of Syria, Bashar al Assad, who is often referred to as a "tyrant" and his government as a "regime", is a minority Alawite himself and protects the rights of religious minorities. He has ruled the nation to be secular: It is not a religious state like Saudi Arabia or Israel, there is no official government religion, and everyone of whatever religion is a citizen and is allowed to vote. Not to say that there aren't human rights violations in Syria, but it's not based on religion and it's a lot better than (say) Saudi Arabia or UAE and about the same as Israel

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Sunday, May 19, 2019 6:56 PM

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I'm not following the details of the region. Are jihadists the enemy of Damascus? Are parts of Syria not Muslim, or not controlled by Muslim? Jihadists Muslim? Damascus Muslim? What?


Basically they're all a bunch of bloodthirsty savages.

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Monday, May 20, 2019 4:20 AM

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Just to bring a little clarity as to who is the savage, "we" have been funding and arming jihadists for years, both directly and indirectly through Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.

"We" started with funding and arming the mujahideen ("freedom fighters") in Afghanistan, who included (btw) a Saudi contingent including Osama bin Laden. "We" helped fund and arm the Chechen "rebels" (more jihadists) and the Libyan "rebels" (even more jihadists) and then xfered arms from Libyan jihadists to Syrian jihadists through Benghazi ... which is why and where Ambassador Stevens was killed. "We" funded jihadists in Syria through Jordan and Turkey by treating them as if they were the Syrian Democratic Army, when in reality they were just 31 flavors of al Qaeda. Jihadists have been "our" proxy army in the Mideast for decades.

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Monday, May 20, 2019 10:33 AM

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An old axiom says you can always pay one half of the savages to kill the other half, especially when they're so motivated to do it with or without our help. Have our strategies always played out to our national security advantage as we hoped? Not exactly, but even the best laid plans sometimes go out the window once the first punch is thrown.

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Monday, May 20, 2019 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
An old axiom says you can always pay one half of the savages to kill the other half, especially when they're so motivated to do it with or without our help. Have our strategies always played out to our national security advantage as we hoped? Not exactly, but even the best laid plans sometimes go out the window once the first punch is thrown.



So, we killed up to a million people and laid to waste six nations (counting Yemen and Sudan), leaving great smoking ruins crawling with jihadists because we're "civilized"?


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Tuesday, May 21, 2019 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just to bring a little clarity as to who is the savage, "we" have been funding and arming jihadists for years, both directly and indirectly through Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.

Perhaps speak for yourself, or for the Democraps, when using "we" in this context.
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"We" started with funding and arming the mujahideen ("freedom fighters") in Afghanistan, who included (btw) a Saudi contingent including Osama bin Laden.

This started in 1979. That sounds like Jiminy Cotta for the Democraps.
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"We" helped fund and arm the Chechen "rebels" (more jihadists)
This was 1999. That sounds like Perpetrator-In-Chief Slick Willie for the Democraps.
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and the Libyan "rebels" (even more jihadists)
This was 2011. Sounds like Obamination for the Democraps.
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and then xfered arms from Libyan jihadists to Syrian jihadists through Benghazi ... which is why and where Ambassador Stevens was killed.
As we all now, this was Obamination plus Hilliary.
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"We" funded jihadists in Syria through Jordan and Turkey by treating them as if they were the Syrian Democratic Army, when in reality they were just 31 flavors of al Qaeda.
Also thanks to Obamination and Hilliary.
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Jihadists have been "our" proxy army in the Mideast for decades.

"Our" meaning Democraps, it seems.

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Tuesday, May 21, 2019 8:48 PM

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Well, "we" taxpayers certainly have been providing the money.

But BTW don't feel TOO smug about Republicans! "They" did arms deals with Iran, "they" funded the Contras' illegal war in Niacaragua, "they" invaded Panama and overthrew Noriega (who was actually pretty popular there), and "they" killed more civilians than the Democrats with "their" three formal invasions (shock and awe) of Iraq (twice) and Afghanistan (once). If I go back further in history I will find Republicans responsible for massacres and genocide thanks to Kissinger.

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Monday, May 27, 2019 10:32 PM

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