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Global Warming Circa 2019

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UPDATED: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 15:09
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Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:28 PM

REAVERFAN


Green energy is already cheaper, especially when you take away the subsidies the fossil and nuclear industries have bought themselves, while stripping subsidies from their competition.

Capitalism is not sacrosanct. It's killing the only planet we have.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 2:42 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Weatherguessers are reporting we've had more than twice the snowfall this year than last. I didn't feel that was a big deal. I've been in my current house for 9 years now, and I've never seen before - including any other house I've been in - enough snow that I've run out of room to shovel the snow. I need to shovel 100 feet of driveway. The snowbank along my driveway has been a few feet over my head for over a week, and I've knocked down the peak a few times already. Now any snow I throw on top slides back down the slope to the driveway again, or down the other side to the sidewalk.
The space from sidewalk to curb is about 6-8 feet, and the street plow doesn't even get within 2 feet of the curb, and the plowed snowbank flows to the sidewalk. So now every shovel of snow I want to remove, or displace, I need to push it the length of the driveway to the sidewalk, then down the sidewalk across the front of my house, and then heave it onto the snowbank on the other side of my house.
That's a first for me.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:34 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Bummer man. I remember those Milwaukee winters. Wisconsin sucks this time of year. At least we've had a few days warm enough here and there to melt the snow on occasion.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.




A lot of our weather is driven by the temperature difference between the poles and areas further towards the equator. This temperature differrence drives the jet streams: narrow bands of high-velocity west-to-east winds, which follow a curvy path around the globe. The curves (or lobes) "precess" or rotate around the globe, also west-to-east. Storms follow the jet stream; cold air swooping down from the pole meets warm air coming up from the south, and we get precipitation (and tornadoes) where the air masses meet



But since the Arctic is warming far faster than the rest of the globe, the temperature difference between the north pole and further south is vastly reduced, and the jet streams ... like a lazy river on a flat plain ... starts flowing more slowly and looping farther and farther north, and south. this means that arctic air descends far further souht, and mid-latitude air intrudes far further north than before.

Climatologists have also noticed that the jet stream doesn't precess as quickly as before either, leading to very stationary patterns that persist for weeks, months, or even years (our infamous Ridiculously Resilient Ridge was a multi-year pattern that led to a record-breaking drought) instead of just rotating through ever week or two.

When you start changing the heat content and distribution of the earth, new pattersn will emerge. Climatologists have predicted that - in addition to OVERALL warming - there will be more extreme and longer-lasting events: Hotter and longer heat waves, colder and snowier cold snaps, more Categor 4 hurricanes, more torrential rains and longer and dryer droughts.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:28 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Now any snow I throw on top slides back down the slope to the driveway again, or down the other side to the sidewalk.



You have a sidewalk running parallel right next to your driveway? Unusual...

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:28 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

A lot of our weather is driven by the temperature difference between the poles and areas further towards the equator. This temperature differrence drives the jet streams: narrow bands of high-velocity west-to-east winds, which follow a curvy path around the globe. The curves (or lobes) "precess" or rotate around the globe, also west-to-east. Storms follow the jet stream; cold air swooping down from the pole meets warm air coming up from the south, and we get precipitation (and tornadoes) where the air masses meet

But since the Arctic is warming far faster than the rest of the globe, the temperature difference between the north pole and further south is vastly reduced, and the jet streams ... like a lazy river on a flat plain ... starts flowing more slowly and looping farther and farther north, and south. this means that arctic air descends far further souht, and mid-latitude air intrudes far further north than before.

Climatologists have also noticed that the jet stream doesn't precess as quickly as before either, leading to very stationary patterns that persist for weeks, months, or even years (our infamous Ridiculously Resilient Ridge was a multi-year pattern that led to a record-breaking drought) instead of just rotating through ever week or two.

When you start changing the heat content and distribution of the earth, new pattersn will emerge. Climatologists have predicted that - in addition to OVERALL warming - there will be more extreme and longer-lasting events: Hotter and longer heat waves, colder and snowier cold snaps, more Categor 4 hurricanes, more torrential rains and longer and dryer droughts.




Trump didn't say this so it can't be true - wise up!

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:48 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Green energy is already cheaper, especially when you take away the subsidies the fossil and nuclear industries have bought themselves, while stripping subsidies from their competition.

Capitalism is not sacrosanct. It's killing the only planet we have.

In Baytown, Texas, every house and business except mine has a heater fired with natural gas. To switch from fossil fuel to green electricity for winter heating, the home owner would have to pay for a heat pump. They are NOT willing to pay and that has nothing to do with capitalism. It is all about choosing what is cheapest at the moment. Investing for the future by purchasing a heat pump today? Citizens won't do it. But if the government subsidized the switchover, then it would be done to 100,000,000 households and businesses. Since everyone would be switching from gas to electricity, the power generation would have to increase. That's another expense the government would have to subsidize or else it won't happen. Electric companies won't shutdown their nat gas fueled power plants unless they get paid. Getting paid for work is a principle that goes back to the invention of money, thousands of years before capitalism was invented in the fourteenth century.

www.synapse-energy.com/about-us/blog/switch-savings-heat-pump-cost-eff
ectiveness-study


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:20 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
In Baytown, Texas, every house and business except mine has a heater fired with natural gas. To switch from fossil fuel to green electricity for winter heating, the home owner would have to pay for a heat pump. They are NOT willing to pay and that has nothing to do with capitalism. It is all about choosing what is cheapest at the moment. Investing for the future by purchasing a heat pump today? Citizens won't do it. But if the government subsidized the switchover, then it would be done to 100,000,000 households and businesses. Since everyone would be switching from gas to electricity, the power generation would have to increase. That's another expense the government would have to subsidize or else it won't happen. Electric companies won't shutdown their nat gas fueled power plants unless they get paid. Getting paid for work is a principle that goes back to the invention of money, thousands of years before capitalism was invented in the fourteenth century.



Many people did not recycle in my area until the city got smart and provided recycling containers that were brain dead simple. If you make it free and easy they will come.

https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/learn/powerwall/overview

Tax breaks to offset the purchase of similar products would be nice. Of course we'll always need electric, just less and less over time.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:54 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Many people did not recycle in my area until the city got smart and provided recycling containers that were brain dead simple. If you make it free and easy they will come.

https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/learn/powerwall/overview

Tax breaks to offset the purchase of similar products would be nice. Of course we'll always need electric, just less and less over time.

In Baytown, Recycle/Garbage pickup is $26.47 per month. The city does not price recycling separately from garbage because if it did the citizens would revolt against the extra cost. People don't want to pay, which is why everything is politically difficult to get done. You can always find a majority that don't want to pay, especially in Texas, no matter what it is.

With flood control, another example like recycling, the majority don't want to pay because only 10% of the houses in Houston flooded during Hurricane Harvey, which leaves 90% of the tax payers anger that they should be forced to pay for preventing the 10% from flooding again.

Now it costs $600 per metric ton of CO2 removed from the air. Someday it will be $60 or even less but no matter how low the cost eventually gets, people don't want to pay to remove CO2 that was added by their neighbor or in another state or country. That is why the world has what seems to be unsolvable problems since the majority won't pay for anything and can stop with their votes any improvements from happening.

The Tiny Swiss Company That Thinks It Can Help Stop Climate Change
Two European entrepreneurs want to remove carbon from the air at prices cheap enough to matter.
www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/magazine/climeworks-business-climate-change
.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Now any snow I throw on top slides back down the slope to the driveway again, or down the other side to the sidewalk.



You have a sidewalk running parallel right next to your driveway? Unusual...

The snowbank along the side of my driveway is defined by these border: the front of my house - no limit to snow height and windows still a foot above the peak, the driveway, the sidewalk perpendicular to the driveway, and the walkway to my front door. The snow cascading back down the bank to the driveway and sidewalk are the limiting factors for the height.
Sorry for the poor description.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 1:18 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
In Baytown, Recycle/Garbage pickup is $26.47 per month. The city does not price recycling separately from garbage because if it did the citizens would revolt against the extra cost. People don't want to pay, which is why everything is politically difficult to get done. You can always find a majority that don't want to pay, especially in Texas, no matter what it is.

With flood control, another example like recycling, the majority don't want to pay because only 10% of the houses in Houston flooded during Hurricane Harvey, which leaves 90% of the tax payers anger that they should be forced to pay for preventing the 10% from flooding again.

Now it costs $600 per metric ton of CO2 removed from the air. Someday it will be $60 or even less but no matter how low the cost eventually gets, people don't want to pay to remove CO2 that was added by their neighbor or in another state or country. That is why the world has what seems to be unsolvable problems since the majority won't pay for anything and can stop with their votes any improvements from happening.

The Tiny Swiss Company That Thinks It Can Help Stop Climate Change
Two European entrepreneurs want to remove carbon from the air at prices cheap enough to matter.
www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/magazine/climeworks-business-climate-change
.html





Good gawd that is steep! I'd dig a hole somewhere. Surely there's room for competition.

https://www.wired.com/story/this-scary-map-shows-how-climate-change-wi
ll-transform-your-city
/

Houston, we have a problem.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:09 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
In Baytown, Recycle/Garbage pickup is $26.47 per month. The city does not price recycling separately from garbage because if it did the citizens would revolt against the extra cost. People don't want to pay, which is why everything is politically difficult to get done. You can always find a majority that don't want to pay, especially in Texas, no matter what it is.

With flood control, another example like recycling, the majority don't want to pay because only 10% of the houses in Houston flooded during Hurricane Harvey, which leaves 90% of the tax payers anger that they should be forced to pay for preventing the 10% from flooding again.

Now it costs $600 per metric ton of CO2 removed from the air. Someday it will be $60 or even less but no matter how low the cost eventually gets, people don't want to pay to remove CO2 that was added by their neighbor or in another state or country. That is why the world has what seems to be unsolvable problems since the majority won't pay for anything and can stop with their votes any improvements from happening.

The Tiny Swiss Company That Thinks It Can Help Stop Climate Change
Two European entrepreneurs want to remove carbon from the air at prices cheap enough to matter.
www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/magazine/climeworks-business-climate-change
.html





Good gawd that is steep! I'd dig a hole somewhere. Surely there's room for competition.

https://www.wired.com/story/this-scary-map-shows-how-climate-change-wi
ll-transform-your-city
/

Houston, we have a problem.

Gross world product is about $100 trillion per year. All the CO2 produced in a year could be removed if 2.2% of that income was used, at $60 per tonne of CO2 and 37 billion tonnes CO2 produced per year. But I don’t think there is much chance that $2.2 trillion per year would be spent to save the world because the majority of voters would much rather not and they will vote that way. Maybe if the cost was only $6 per tonne . . . probably not then, either. Still too expensive.

Expected to be $114 trillion gross world product in 5 years
http://statisticstimes.com/economy/projected-world-gdp-ranking.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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