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Kavanaugh ... now what?

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Monday, October 8, 2018 1:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Are Trump voters seriously considering not voting for Trump a second time? But only if Democratic politicians stop opposing Trump’s decisions?



I didn't say anything about Trump.

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I don’t think Democrats should change themselves to please Trump voters, to get them to switch sides.


I agree

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I don’t think Democrats can change themselves enough to make a Trump voter switch and, most importantly, stay switched for two or more elections in a row.



You need to stop looking at this is a Trump thing, or about "Trump Voters".

A lot of people who voted for Trump are independents and even former Liberals that had enough with the Democratic Party as it is in 2016 onward.

How many? I don't know. But as you like to bring up often, Trump lost the popular vote.

The Democratic Party doesn't need to change so much that it would steal 60 Million votes away from Trump in 2020.

It would absolutely destroy Trump if it stopped being the party of division though.


As I've said many times before, it needs to throw away identity politics as a message. You seem to be getting this. You're the only person in here with negative things to say about Kavanaugh that were based off of facts instead of feels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I'm gonna read your mind and tell you what is going inside there based upon what I know about real people who think the Democrats should "Throw away identity politics". They hate identity politics because they hate those separate identities. They think everybody should strive to be as similar as their psychology allows and everybody has got the same history and problems, approximately, taken from a curated and approved list that all humans have in common. They don't want to know about your odd language, your accented English, your peculiar culture, your crazy family, your religion, your unique problems, your idiosyncratic goals. They think Americans should have a common purpose that we can all agree on. They want everybody to strive to become Bland-Americans, no other kind of hyphenated-American. Democrats are not gonna throw away Identity Politics to please white Americans that hate those identities like they hate niggers, or chinks, or gooks, or spicks, or mex-skins, or queers, or dykes, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Muslims, or foreigners, or Liberals, or what-have-yous.

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You could have just said. You are a racist, sexist, blah blah blah.

If we're going to go back to insulting each other, just say the word, Second.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 8, 2018 1:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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You Democrats just gave the GOP their long time wet dream in the Supreme Court.



I'm not a Dem, fart head. MATH and the GOP - the people who wouldn't stop to p*ss on your shoes if they were on fire - gave all of US Kavanaugh. You're too busy worrying about who's calling you names to see anything larger.

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Just think about how much worse it could be if Donald Trump was at least a little likable.
I mean REALLY think about that one.



I'd rather think about reality - ever think about that? I mean REALLY think about that one?



You're an extreme Left winger. I agree that you shouldn't be in the Democratic party either. It would be much better off without you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 8, 2018 1:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by second:
Signym, I've read hundreds of thousands of words you have written

That's over an 800 page book for a mere 200,000 words, the minimum number that counts as 'hundreds of thousands'. That's like reading 'Middlemarch' (Eliot) or 'Bleak House' (Dickens). Or 2,000 pages for 500,000 words.
First of all, I doubt Signy has typed that many words. And second of all, I SERIOUSLY doubt you've even read a tenth of them. If you did, you wouldn't have such an abysmal lack of understanding of what Signy posts. You wouldn't be constantly arguing with the voices in your head.


WAIT.


Are you having a HISSY FIT? You ARE, aren't you!

Well then! You can go stomp your widdle feet in the time-out corner widdle boy! And btw, I didn't bother reading the rest of your post.




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Monday, October 8, 2018 6:46 PM

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Monday, October 8, 2018 10:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I'm gonna read your mind and tell you what is going inside there based upon what I know about real people who think the Democrats should "Throw away identity politics".
Once again, you're arguing with the voices in your head. That's a REALLY bad habit which promotes a tremendous amount of misunderstanding and ill-will, and I wonder why you - or ANYone- would do that here.
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They hate identity politics because they hate those separate identities. They think everybody should strive to be as similar as their psychology allows and everybody has got the same history and problems, approximately, taken from a curated and approved list that all humans have in common. They don't want to know about your odd language, your accented English, your peculiar culture, your crazy family, your religion, your unique problems, your idiosyncratic goals.
The funny thing is, I see a lot of people on the so-called "left" who feel the same way. They're all about tolerance, until someone tells them that they voted for Trump, or that their religion dictates that being gay is wrong, or that Americans should have a common identity, or that they want and need manufacturing jobs, or that men are indeed different than women, or that Russia is a rival not an enemy ...

NOPE! Once somebody brings up a problem or identity or goal that is off the LIBERAL'S curated list (and BTW it's liberals who're always talking about their "curated" lives, not Trump supporters) tolerance goes right out the window and violence becomes the accepted response. Just look at the slavering liberals here.

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They think Americans should have a common purpose that we can all agree on. They want everybody to strive to become Bland-Americans, no other kind of hyphenated-American.
Having a common purpose doesn't mean being bland.

You people are weird. I never even heard about a curated list until just now.

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Monday, October 8, 2018 11:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by second:
Signym, I've read hundreds of thousands of words you have written

That's over an 800 page book for a mere 200,000 words, the minimum number that counts as 'hundreds of thousands'. That's like reading 'Middlemarch' (Eliot) or 'Bleak House' (Dickens). Or 2,000 pages for 500,000 words.
First of all, I doubt Signy has typed that many words. And second of all, I SERIOUSLY doubt you've even read a tenth of them. If you did, you wouldn't have such an abysmal lack of understanding of what Signy posts. You wouldn't be constantly arguing with the voices in your head.


WAIT.


Are you having a HISSY FIT? You ARE, aren't you!

Well then! You can go stomp your widdle feet in the time-out corner widdle boy! And btw, I didn't bother reading the rest of your post.




tic tac

I'm not convinced. Your post represents about 100 words per inch on my palm device.
I have seen far more than 10 inches of post from Sigs, many times. That's 1,000 just in one post. Sometimes returning later, Rereading what was quoted to discern which portions are being debated, etc. I've seen threads where she has posted numerous times over 10 inches.

Only 200 of those? I cannot imagine she has not posted that. Over the past 11 years, maybe even I have, and I'm not nearly as prolific as her. And surely not as riveting in topic or cadence.

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Monday, October 8, 2018 11:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'm not convinced. Your post represents about 100 words per inch on my palm device

I DID mention a particular word in the first sentence ... it begins with a 'b', and there's one contraction, two words, and a number in front of it.

It depends on the font you are using, of course, but in general, 250-300 words per page. Therefore, a 55,000 word book should be about 200 manuscript pages. A 100,000 word book would be about 400.
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Middlemarch, by George Eliot (1872, 880 pp.)
Eliot was a world-builder in the classic sense; her fictional Middlemarch is an English town like many others, exemplary of bourgeois mores and the site of many parallel plots. The epic is made ordinary, and vice versa.




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Monday, October 8, 2018 11:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


JSF you never heard of a curated life? Clearly, you don't listen to NPR!

The latest thing which just drills into my brain is when one of the hosts says, in an "oh poor you" tone of voice "sometimes the news feels like a train heading way too fast, destination unknown" and then goes on to explain how NPR will coddle you thru the day.
Yeesh! It just gives me the creeps.
*shudder*



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Monday, October 8, 2018 11:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


But hey I just had a great idea! How about, after Kavanaugh, we agree to post without the words Democrat or Republican, man or woman, white or not, gay or straight, or any of the other words that divide us. The only valid description is American.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2018 8:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF you never heard of a curated life? Clearly, you don't listen to NPR!

The latest thing which just drills into my brain is when one of the hosts says, in an "oh poor you" tone of voice "sometimes the news feels like a train heading way too fast, destination unknown" and then goes on to explain how NPR will coddle you thru the day.
Yeesh! It just gives me the creeps.
*shudder*

Why would any partially intelligent person intentionally listen to NPR, let alone somebody of my caliber?

There ARE more than a few choices of which to listen, watch, rewatch. I have a lifetime of awesome music to listen to, perhaps more than I could fit into my remaining spare time. I would much rather rewatch Firefly or Rogue One than try to get myself brainwashed by NPR. They are not even very useful in terms of opposition research - it takes them forever to try to make a point, assuming all of their audience are dullard lemmings with nothing to do all day, such as go to work.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2018 8:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I never heard of the curated life, either. And I'm still not sure what it is.

As for listening to NPR ... I don't, mostly because I'm old and tired, and sometimes I just don't want to think - not even to keep track of what the neo-liberals are up to now. But there's something to be said for casting a wide net. It's far too easy to get entrenched in the rut of things you're interested in and /or agree with. I know for myself, as I scan the research rags, I could always just tunnel down on my favorite subjects. That's why I try to read 1:10 of things that either bore me to tears or that I think are an effing waste of research money and time, vs things I'm interested in, enjoy, or seem significant.

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Wednesday, October 10, 2018 7:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why would any partially intelligent person intentionally listen to NPR, let alone somebody of my caliber?



Maybe so you don't drown in your own hubris?

I can't say I listen to NPR, but I do get a wide range of political opinions. It's good to listen to others, especially if you don't agree with them, I think. Otherwise it's far too easy to just listen to people you agree with and their opinions of other people's opinions.

That's how echo chambers are formed and why we're collectively in the predicament we are as a country.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why would any partially intelligent person intentionally listen to NPR, let alone somebody of my caliber?


Maybe so you don't drown in your own hubris?

I can't say I listen to NPR, but I do get a wide range of political opinions. It's good to listen to others, especially if you don't agree with them, I think. Otherwise it's far too easy to just listen to people you agree with and their opinions of other people's opinions.

That's how echo chambers are formed and why we're collectively in the predicament we are as a country.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I really don't see the need to hear about how Sol orbits Terra. No matter how many times you want to tell me. No matter how many different ways you want to explain it. No matter how often you call it hubris.
If I want to hear more crap from Democrap Funded MSM State Media, I can just linger more when channel surfing.
Listening to you splain how Sol orbits Terra over and over again is only going to put me to sleep, and is not going to change my mind, my belief, or my thinking on the matter.
Your thinking that Facts are less valid, or Truth is less relevant than Opinions about 2+2 is 6 and 2x2 is 5 is a troubling course for you to follow.
I have already pondered the possibilities of Sol orbiting Terra, and I've run the numbers, and I feel no desire to do it again - it is a waste of my time, and I don't want to waste what I have left.

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Thursday, October 11, 2018 6:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm just pointing out that you are partisan, no matter what.

You're not hostile... and I have no reason to think that you're insane, which is what we're seeing from the other side here in the RWED and on the internet in general, so I'll take it over that any day.

I just feel that you're doing yourself a disservice to limit your scope of thinking to tow the line of a party that doesn't really give a shit about us any more than the other side does. My "hubris" remark was was just a jab at you talking about somebody of "your caliber".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, I find it easy to listen to NPR when I'm working in the kitchen. I'm on my feet, so it won't put me to sleep, and I get to hear what neo-liberals are saying now. They're an exquisite "establishment" propaganda indicator. Plus, honestly, they have a few storytelling and game shows that I really like, like Snap Judgment and Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

If I get bored with the radio I'll listen to X22 or London Paul or The Duran or whatever alt program catches my fancy, but there's something about listening to ANYthing when I'm sitting or laying down ... it just puts me to sleep!

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Oh, the "curated life" was a big thing a few month ago but you don't hear about it much anymore. It meant needing someone to choose your experiences for you. Or in some cases you choose your own experiences, instead of having them come at you randomly. The idea is that being "connected" all the time thru social media has led us to be faced with TOO MANY experiences, so we need to be picky about what we do. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenrosenbaum/2015/05/10/living-the-cur
ated-life-a-framework/#52da6c68295d


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Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, the "curated life" was a big thing a few month ago but you don't hear about it much anymore. It meant needing someone to choose your experiences for you. Or in some cases you choose your own experiences, instead of having them come at you randomly. The idea is that being "connected" all the time thru social media has led us to be faced with TOO MANY experiences, so we need to be picky about what we do.

Well, since I don't 'do' social media, it helps!

And wow - what a stultifying life! Being cocooned in a carefully selected set of experiences. I'm feeling claustrophobic just thinking about it!

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Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


But back to the topic.

Is it my imagination, or have democrats been awfully quiet post-Kavanaugh?

In fact, since the election, politically, aside from occasional harping about the ignorable RUSSIA !!! election interference, they've offered no political push-back in Congress. (They seem to be hoping the Deep State does the political work for them.) They've voiced no alternative plans. They've formulated no opposing ethic or stance.

It's like they go down a deep hole and disappear after a defeat. Where are they? Do they HAVE a post-Kavanaugh plan?

Maybe I need to listen to NPR.

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Sunday, October 14, 2018 3:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think SOME Democrats ... maybe even most of them ... are as livid as they ever were. But I noticed that SECOND and REAVERFAN and even THUGR have been noticeably absent from this site. Aside from a few token personal attacks at the beginning of the Kavanaugh thread, THUGR completely bailed on the topic, and SECOND seems to have bailed afterwards.

I know the Democratic PARTY (DNC) has suddenly shifted to being the party of "reason". Except for a few forays into RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! they seem bound and determined to talk about mandated coverage for pre-existing conditions, but this does not at all reflect the POV of their committed base, which they've whipped up into a white-hot with rage.

I read an article (somewhere) about what the Dems would do if they won the House. Most of them were kitchen-table issues with the exception of waving the RUSSIA!! flag once. They didn't even talk impeachment. I'm all on-board with almost everything they propose (health care, infrastructure, environment) but they did not address the issues that led ME to vote for Trump, which were: making nice with Russia (and by extension ending our endless wars and beginning to withdraw our troops and bases from abroad), illegal immigration, and "free trade". I think these are MORE important than the others (in other words, we can't solve the other issues until we solve these first.)

It's kind of a shame that liberals seem to have held onto their hate and can't even talk about where we might find agreement, because unless we come together we'll never solve ANYthing.

And then, there's always this ...

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"Bring Your Rage": Brooklyn Witches To Hex Kavanaugh, Rapists And Patriarchy In Occult Ritual

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-13/bring-your-rage-brooklyn-wit
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Sunday, October 14, 2018 7:10 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But hey I just had a great idea! How about, after Kavanaugh, we agree to post without the words Democrat or Republican, man or woman, white or not, gay or straight, or any of the other words that divide us. The only valid description is American.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

Would you also ban the words California, Texas, Florida, New York because the only valid description is Americans? America is not united. It is 50 different governments jammed close together, except for Alaska and Hawaii and, maybe someday, Puerto Rico.

And those 50 to 51 states are in competition with one another. That competition effects the citizens. To make that easier to understand, consider the competition between construction companies for building a petrochemical plant in Texas.

Several companies want to build that plant, but only one will win. Do the engineers say we are all simply engineers and congratulate the lucky engineers at the winning bidder? No. They are bitter that they lost. The more ambitious engineers quit the losers and go work for the winner where the new work is to be found. You see the same dynamic between the states as is seen between construction companies.

The more ambitious citizens switch states, leaving embittered losers behind in places like W Virginia. Does rich Virginia reach out to help poor West Virginia with money? Hell, no! If a hillbilly wants help, move to Virginia. Or beg for help from the Federal government and vote Trump. Maybe he will get you a job in a W Virginia coalmine. Or maybe he won’t. But you can be sure that the legislature of Virginia will not willingly help West Virginia. There is nothing that the Virginia legislature budgeted to send to the next state as charity. Help will have to be ripped off of the rich Virginians by the Federal government and given to the poor West Virginians. There will be significant resentment. And saying that we are all Americans does not reduce that resentment so long as there are 50 states that are not generous and do not have state legislatures willing to share their wealth with other states.

The US Senate reinforces that separation between the states because dinky little failure W Virginia has the same amount of power in the Senate as does huge and successful California. It is a system custom designed by James Madison to make large states bitter at small states robbing the rich states.

Afterthought: Kavanaugh will move the Constitutional interpretation back in the direction of The Articles of Confederation, which had a particularly weak central government – one that was subordinated to the individual states. And indeed under the Articles, the states regarded themselves as sovereign nations, which they essentially were.

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Sunday, October 14, 2018 8:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's kind of a shame that liberals seem to have held onto their hate and can't even talk about where we might find agreement, because unless we come together we'll never solve ANYthing.



Liberals, at least in the traditional sense of the word, have been pretty quiet since Trump was elected. The extreme Left that you hear from all over the internet make up about 8% of the electorate.

First thing you should be doing, as should everyone else, is to stop using the blanket term Liberal for anybody left of center. SGG and J0 are the closest things we have here to classical Liberals in the RWED that haven't at least somewhat defected to the other side for one reason or another. I think J0 knows this. Not sure that SGG does. He seems to drink some of the koolaid on occasion, but is more or less reasonable.





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Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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But hey I just had a great idea! How about, after Kavanaugh, we agree to post without the words Democrat or Republican, man or woman, white or not, gay or straight, or any of the other words that divide us. The only valid description is American.- SIGNY

Would you also ban the words California, Texas, Florida, New York because the only valid description is Americans? America is not united. - SECOND

First of all, anything YOU say on the unity or disunite of America is suspect, because you yourself said that YOU have an interest in the United States being DISUNITED. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Remember? I hate to keep throwing those words in your face, but I think that was more than a random outburst from you: Not only is disunity PERFECT for the wealthy (who really can "do as they please" without fear of pushback from the peons) but you have a pretty clear history of fighting against any sort of unified American identity. In fact, I think that you're anti-American. And you're not alone in that here. Unlike the other anti-Americans on the board, you have a real, practical conflict of interest which affects your bank account. I would place THUGR, GSTRING, and SHTF in the same anti-American category, but they're that way because they've been propagandized.*

But, be that as it may ...

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It is 50 different governments jammed close together, except for Alaska and Hawaii and, maybe someday, Puerto Rico.

And those 50 to 51 states are in competition with one another. That competition effects the citizens. To make that easier to understand, consider the competition between construction companies for building a petrochemical plant in Texas.

Several companies want to build that plant, but only one will win. Do the engineers say we are all simply engineers and congratulate the lucky engineers at the winning bidder? No. They are bitter that they lost. The more ambitious engineers quit the losers and go work for the winner where the new work is to be found. You see the same dynamic between the states as is seen between construction companies.

The more ambitious citizens switch states, leaving embittered losers behind in places like W Virginia. Does rich Virginia reach out to help poor West Virginia with money? Hell, no! If a hillbilly wants help, move to Virginia. Or beg for help from the Federal government and vote Trump. Maybe he will get you a job in a W Virginia coalmine. Or maybe he won’t. But you can be sure that the legislature of Virginia will not willingly help West Virginia. There is nothing that the Virginia legislature budgeted to send to the next state as charity. ...



Huh.
Have you read the Constitution, ever?
What is the Federal government's role?

Provide for the common defense, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE

The Founding Fathers realized that there was such a thing as the GENERAL WELFARE, a concept that you seem to have failed on. (Must be your conflict of interest getting in the way.) There are things that a Federal government can do that individual states - literally- can't: Defend the common border, control the movement of goods, money, and people across the border; adjudicate interstate affairs on common resources such as labor, air, water, and biodiversity; create (or at least) govern interstate infrastructure; print currency etc.

Your "california" argument is stupid and misleading. "California" is a valid category because it is a real, recognized government subunit with potentially different aims and needs as (and potentially in conflict with) other real, recognized government subunits. One which the Federal government HAS to recognize and adjudicate as it carries out its duties.

But PEOPLE, SECOND, people are not state governments. Are you telling me that Virginians and West Virginians need different things? That blacks need something different than whites? That gays need something different than straights, or that Catholics needs something different than agnostics?

FUNDAMENTALLY, WE ALL NEED THE SAME THINGS: Jobs so that we can provide for our future; safe places to live and work; help in childhood, age, infirmity and disaster; warm and supportive social contacts; good clean food to eat and clean air to breathe and clean water to drink; a good education for our children; agency over our collective future etc. As PEOPLE, we all need pretty much the same things ...

And yet, somehow, you spend post after post after post trying to obscure that fact.


*****

* I think there's a real problem with some people here being anti-American. For them, the concept of "America" or "American nationalism" is invalid, somehow unclean. Even trying to get people to think about "Americans" and "American interests" seems to cause a cringe reaction.

It's like they spend so much time worrying and thinking about OTHER nationalities (those poor impoverished Guatemalans, those poor oppressed Russians, those poor desperate illegal immigrants) and yet are unable to generate the same concern for Americans.

It's somewhat the same with other identities ... they spend so much time worrying about nonwhites and women and LGBTQ that they can't seem to extend the same concern to whites, men, and straights.

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First thing you should be doing, as should everyone else, is to stop using the blanket term Liberal for anybody left of center. SGG and J0 are the closest things we have here to classical Liberals in the RWED


SIX I think that is the fundamental difference between REAVER and GSTRING versus JO and SHINY: I think REAVER and GSTRING have really drunk the Koolaid.

JO and SHINY ... they probably still believe in fairness, not in just beating down certain subgroups.

OK, so who do we call what? I hate to use the term "libtard" so will "neoliberal" do?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SIX I think that is the fundamental difference between REAVER and GSTRING versus JO and SHINY: I think REAVER and GSTRING have really drunk the Koolaid.

JO and SHINY ... they probably still believe in fairness, not in just beating down certain subgroups.

OK, so who do we call what? I hate to use the term "libtard" so will "neoliberal" do?



No. I don't think that's right either. Hillary Clinton would be a neoliberal, and although some of the stuff they say sounds like some of the stuff she says, she doesn't actually believe much of it. She didn't even come out for support of gay marriage until 2013 and up to that point spoke up against it, for example. She shills for the votes.

Neoliberals are the corporate liberals out there that are pro globalism and pro war and are hardly distinguishable from neocons. They are using people like RF and college kids because they are easily stirred up and enraged.

I don't like the term libtard either. I think that JSF calls anybody left of center a libtard and that's not productive.

I know they don't like it when I call them SJWs, but there probably is no changing their minds no matter how much evidence is ever presented so I'm not really too worried about that even though it is a misnomer and rather juvinile.

I think that Authoritarian Illiberal Leftist or Cultural Marxist is probably the most appropriate terms.



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Sunday, October 14, 2018 8:17 PM

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It just occurred to me that the acronym for Authoritarian Illiberal Left is AIL as in what AIL's the country.

How disappointed I will be if somebody like Limbaugh or Hannity start throwing that around.

Count me doubly disappointed if they have already used it and this is just another example of how there's nothing new under the sun, or "The Simpons Did It"...



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Monday, October 15, 2018 7:47 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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But hey I just had a great idea! How about, after Kavanaugh, we agree to post without the words Democrat or Republican, man or woman, white or not, gay or straight, or any of the other words that divide us. The only valid description is American.- SIGNY

Would you also ban the words California, Texas, Florida, New York because the only valid description is Americans? America is not united. - SECOND

First of all, anything YOU say on the unity or disunite of America is suspect, because you yourself said that YOU have an interest in the United States being DISUNITED. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Remember? I hate to keep throwing those words in your face, but I think that was more than a random outburst from you: Not only is disunity PERFECT for the wealthy (who really can "do as they please" without fear of pushback from the peons) but you have a pretty clear history of fighting against any sort of unified American identity. In fact, I think that you're anti-American. And you're not alone in that here. Unlike the other anti-Americans on the board, you have a real, practical conflict of interest which affects your bank account. I would place THUGR, GSTRING, and SHTF in the same anti-American category, but they're that way because they've been propagandized.*

But, be that as it may ...

Signym, you pointed your finger in exactly the right direction. You did it with great precision and few words, but you don't understand what you are pointing at. I will be voting for the Democratic party, but the GOP will give me what the Democrats never would, some things I do NOT need and yet I will not turn down:

1) The GOP is committed to another tax cut for the wealthy. If I was the Democrat that Republican propagandists dream of, I would turn down that tax cut, since Democrats want a tax increase. Taking my unfair tax cut is "hypocritical" for a Democrat, according to most Republican voters. My "conflict" is that I can only get this cut from Trump and a GOP majority in Congress.

2) The GOP is committed to increasing CO2 releases. If I was the Democrat that Republicans dream of, I would close down my natural gas fields because burning gas makes CO2. I'd also get out of the cattle business because cows make methane, a green house gas. But I won't do either. I will keep selling to Republican voters. If they want to burn down the planet with climate change because they are who they are, I will sell them the gas. If they want to plug up their arteries with fat, I will sell them the meat. I have tried to stop real life Republican voters from self-destructing, and it can't be done. But if they want to be stupid, I keep taking their money. (After though: I feel like a Burger King owner in a world half full of 600 pound Republicans. As a Democrat, the non-hypocritical action would be to close my Burger King, but these 600 pound Trump voters will simply go to McDonald's across the street. Then why should I shut down? I can't teach them to learn self-control and to cut back on calories, but I am hurting my employees.)

3) The GOP is committed to less government interference with business. If the GOP wants to reduce the rules on my businesses, I will follow the new rules despite being a Democrat. If the GOP wants a repeat of the stock market crash of 2008, I will buy shares cheaply after the crash. I've got the cash to do it. I recommend the movie The Big Short for an explanation of how Republicans crashed the economy. I do not want the GOP to crash it again, but if they do then I, a Democrat, will make money.
www.vox.com/culture/2018/9/14/17856048/movies-financial-crisis-streami
ng-lehman-brothers-versailles-big-short-inside-job


Signym, I saw this today. Can't write more. Got to go to work selling green house gasses to Republican voters:

The nation’s most-discussed political problem is entangled with the least-understood public health problem. The political problem is furious partisanship. The public health problem is loneliness. Sen. Ben Sasse’s new book argues that Americans are richer, more informed and “connected” than ever — and unhappier, more isolated and less fulfilled.

In “Them: Why We Hate Each Other — and How to Heal,” Sasse’s subject is “the evaporation of social capital” — the satisfactions of work and community. This reflects a perverse phenomenon: What has come to count as connectedness is displacing the real thing. And matters might quickly become dramatically worse.

Work, which Sasse calls “arguably the most fundamental anchor of human identity,” is at the beginning of “a staggering level of cultural disruption” swifter and more radical than even America’s transformation from a rural and agricultural to an urban and industrial nation. At that time, one response to social disruption was alcoholism, which begat Prohibition. But that was then. Today’s future of accelerating flux exhilarates the educated and socially nimble. It frightens those who, their work identities erased and their communities atomized, are tempted not by what Sasse calls “healthy local tribes” but by political tribalism of grievances, or by chemical oblivion, or both. In today’s bifurcated nation, 2016 was the 10th consecutive year in which 40 percent of American children were born outside of marriage. America has “two almost entirely different cultures,” exemplified by this: Less than 10 percent of births to college-educated women are outside of marriage compared to almost 70 percent of births to women with high school diplomas or less.

More at www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-have-an-epidemic-of-loneliness-how-
can-we-fix-it/2018/10/12/e8378a38-cd92-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, January 1, 2019 6:10 PM

THG


You didn't think this was over did you? I didn't, I didn't think this was over.

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Tuesday, January 1, 2019 6:12 PM

THG


Jan 1, 2019, 03:42pm

Council Reviewing The Kavanaugh Ethics Complaints Punts Back To Chief Justice Roberts

When we last checked in with Brett Kavanaugh back in October, he was performing his judicial duties as a lifetime Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, even though Chief Justice Roberts had referred 15 ethics complaints against him for review by the Chief Judge of the 10th Circuit in Colorado. No one knew what would happen next.

On December 18, we found out. While much of the country was preoccupied with the government budget shutdown, the 10th Circuit Judicial Council quietly issued its non-verdict in the matter, announcing:

that the original roster of 15 complaints had swollen to 83 complaints;

that the ethics complaints against Kavanaugh were “serious”; but that the 10th Circuit Judicial Council had no jurisdiction to rule on them;

the complainants had a brief period to request a review.

In effect, they said, back to you, Chief Justice Roberts: it’s your problem, not ours.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2019/01/01/council-reviewing
-the-kavanaugh-ethics-complaints-punts-back-to-chief-justice-roberts/#66694dc5aafe



Can you say OH SHIT. I can, I can say OH SHIT.
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Tuesday, January 1, 2019 8:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nah. Most of these complaints were about how he responded to a personal attack on his character that was made national news for three weeks while his life was under a microscope.

He didn't make it partisan. The Democrats made it partisan.

I love how they sit back now and pretend that isn't exactly what happened.




Nothing is going to happen here either.

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Tuesday, January 1, 2019 8:28 PM

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Gotta laugh about how "serious" the author of that article believes the complaints are since he uses the word seven times in the article and every time there are quotation marks around it.

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 8:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nah. Most of these complaints were about how he responded to a personal attack on his character that was made national news for three weeks while his life was under a microscope.






The complaints fell into three main categories. Some relate to complicated matters of fact involving Kavanaugh’s actions many years ago, which might be difficult to verify or resolve.

Other complaints concern Kavanaugh’s behavior as a Judge on the Court of Appeals by favoring certain parties or interests, on which opinions may differ.

The third and most obviously problematic category of the complaints concerns Kavanaugh’s behavior during the nomination proceedings in September 2018. The Judicial Council summarized:

Justice Kavanaugh made inappropriate partisan statements that demonstrate bias and a lack of judicial temperament; and treated members of the Senate Judiciary Committee with disrespect.

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 5:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nah. Most of these complaints were about how he responded to a personal attack on his character that was made national news for three weeks while his life was under a microscope.

He didn't make it partisan. The Democrats made it partisan.

I love how they sit back now and pretend that isn't exactly what happened.




Nothing is going to happen here either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Justices can be like troubleshooters in the realm of Justice and Law. They can dispassionately identify the problems or causes which need rectifying. He was able to identify these hyperventilating Democraps in Senate who were the problem and cause.

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Saturday, July 9, 2022 11:10 AM

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Kavanaugh harassed by protesters at DC restaurant
https://www.mystateline.com/news/mortons-condemns-abortion-rights-prot
esters-for-disrupting-kavanaughs-freedom-to-eat-dinner
/

Leftists cackle at Justice Kavanaugh being chased out of D.C. restaurant: ‘I couldn’t give a sh—'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/leftists-cackle-justice-kavanaugh-chased
-dc-restaurant


and Why do people watching the circus think gun-control pro-Sharia Law assbandit Lindsey Olin Graham is on their side?

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